Re: Re: Re: Evidence? (was Re: irrrational (feminist) calculations)

>Yoshie Furuhashi wrote: > >> > sound reasons to be depressed) > >This reduces the whole discussion to nonsense. The *whole* point about >clinical >depression is that one is "depressed" WITHOUT any reasons, sound or otherwise, >for being depressed. (We are not dealing here with the "ultimate" cau

Re: Re: Evidence? (was Re: irrrational (feminist) calculations)

Yoshie Furuhashi wrote: > > sound reasons to be depressed) This reduces the whole discussion to nonsense. The *whole* point about clinical depression is that one is "depressed" WITHOUT any reasons, sound or otherwise, for being depressed. (We are not dealing here with the "ultimate" causes, w

"Sweet & Lowdown"

one final thing: S&L is the third Woody Allen film I've seen in which black people are more than servants. The first was Zelig, where blacks played a bit part in a sight gag. The second was (I forget its name, but it was recent) where there was a black prostitute who (though you might say she

Is tobacco industry the exception?

The world health organization released a report today on the action by top executives of tobacco companies to subvert WHO anti-smoking efforts. Not to demean the seriousness of the charges, but is there anything to suggest that the actions of the tobacco industry are any different from the lobby a

Re: Re: rational expectations

Hi Yoshie, >I do take the best & brightest of our enemies seriously, but taking them >seriously doesn't necessarily lead one to revise one's convictions >radically. The best & brightest of our enemies (from ancients to >moderns), for me, have a virtue of clarifying what we are up >against.

Re: Re: Re: Woody Allen and jazz

No doubt I am confused. It is an occupational hazard. And I haven't seen the movie. However, whites who played "hot" jazz, like Bix Beiderbecke or even Benny Goodman, whose swing was pretty hot, as opposed to Paul Whiteman style "dance" music, were often not just musically close to black perfor

Re: Re: Woody Allen and jazz

>wait, Louis! how do you know what "Woody Allen had concocted in his head" >and that he "made no point" if _you didn't see more than 10 or so minutes >of the movie_? I read lots of reviews in preparation for my post. The negative ones stuck in my mind. As the first few minutes of the film unfo

Re: Re: Re: Woody Allen and jazz

At 07:33 PM 08/02/2000 -0400, you wrote: >Emmett Ray, if you missed my mention of the >fact that he is played by Sean Penn, is white. His foolishness is meant to >illustrate some point that Woody Allen had concocted in his head. When you >try to illustrate points with characters, you end up either

Re: Re: Re: Woody Allen and jazz

Louis Proyect wrote: > When you > try to illustrate points with characters, you end up either boring people > or not making the point. Interesting, if true, and probably true on the whole. But Plato and Dante, who both to this to some extent though in different ways, are not boring, and they

Re: Re: Woody Allen and jazz

Umm--have you seem some of the getups Louis Armstrong used to perform in? I mean, this was "jungle music," and musicians did all sorts of ridiculous and humiliating stagey things. Even Ellington, who had more dignity than all of us put together, went along with a lot of foolishness at the Cotton

Re: rational expectations

Hi Justin: >A lot of people take this attitude, but I follow the dangerous >course of reading my adversaries and taking them seriously. I have >read Sommers (I have in fact met her) and I think she is an idiot. >But I also read Hayek and Mises, and, as you all know, I have >learned from them.

Re: Re: Re: Re: Woody Allen and jazz

I enjoyed the slapstick Woody Allen, but his later urban persona was boring. None of the characters in his films interested me. Louis Proyect wrote: > >It was worth watching to the end, the deaf lady disses Emmet big time... > > > >steve > > > >Stephen Philion > > I actually had intended to wat

Re: Re: Re: Re: Woody Allen and jazz

Umm--have you seem some of the getups Louis Armstrong used to perform in? I mean, this was "jungle music," and musicians did all sorts of ridiculous and humiliating stagey things. Even Ellington, who had more dignity than all of us put together, went along with a lot of foolishness at the Cott

Re: Re: Re: Woody Allen and jazz

>It was worth watching to the end, the deaf lady disses Emmet big time... > >steve > >Stephen Philion I actually had intended to watch it until the end, but it was so painfully inept that I couldn't watch past the first ten minutes. Leaving aside the sheer repulsiveness of the central character,

Re: Re: Woody Allen and jazz

It was worth watching to the end, the deaf lady disses Emmet big time... steve Stephen Philion Lecturer/PhD Candidate Department of Sociology 2424 Maile Way Social Sciences Bldg. # 247 Honolulu, HI 96822 On Wed, 2 Aug 2000, Jim Devine wrote: > At 01:58 PM 08/02/2000 -0400, you wrote: > >Turni

Re: Woody Allen and jazz

At 01:58 PM 08/02/2000 -0400, you wrote: >Turning now to one of Woody Allen's most recent (and unwatchable) >films--"Sweet and Lowdown"--we are presented with not only another version >of his museum sensibility with respect to music, but an apologia for his >own amoral behavior > >In "Sweet

Re: Re: Re: Re: rational expectations

Yeah, Carroll, I have read, and indeed studied, a lot of Stalin as well as Lenin. Not only was I a Sovietologist, I was in and out of some outfits where Stalin was "in." I can still give you chapter and verse on various outre Stalinist views, such as his linguistic theories. Anyway, you wil

Re: Re: Re: rational expectations

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > A lot of people take this attitude, but I follow the dangerous course of reading my >adversaries and taking them seriously. Up to about 1640 (and on the assumption that only Europe counted) it would have been at least theoretically possible for someone to make this

Re: RE: Krugman Watch: social security again

Max wrote: >There is NO regard of the fact that diverting the 2% from the trust fund >(known as a 'carve-out') makes the bankruptcy 'problem' much worse, much >sooner, and does nothing for the ROR within SocSec. So PK is right, there >is no plan. It's nice to see MF go >on the record to that

RE: Krugman Watch: social security again

. . . PK goes on to critique the Feldstein/Samwick paper. I think he's totally right here: the F/S paper has the Bush-like plan running down the social security trust fund much faster than is currently expected. But then the benefits of the plan -- which are based on a theory that's very simil

Re: Re: rational expectations

Yoshie Furuhashi wrote: > > > >The more I think about this, the more I wonder: Doug, this seems misleading to me. The impression most of your posts over time have given is that you made up your mind years ago on this as a fundamental principle, from which no deviation was permissible. You seem

Krugman Watch: social security again

>August 2, 2000 / New York TIMES RECKONINGS / By PAUL KRUGMAN Man Without a Plan >Sometimes you just have to concede defeat. I read the Republican platform carefully, hoping to find some substance -- say, in the section on retirement security. But there is no there there. >So I turned ins

Re: Re: rational expectations

A lot of people take this attitude, but I follow the dangerous course of reading my adversaries and taking them seriously. I have read Sommers (I have in fact met her) and I think she is an idiot. But I also read Hayek and Mises, and, as you all know, I have learned from them. This just for sta

The real business of the Republican convention

Seems to me old Karl had similar sentiments!    Cheers, Ken Hanly The Globe and Mail   Wednesday, August 2, 2000 Corporate sponsors pay millions for delegates' parties and gifts     'The system's broken; we are addicted to soft money,' McCain says     By B

Re: rational expectations

Doug wrote: >Charles Brown wrote, responding to Yoshie: > >>I don't think it's a matter of whether "uncertainty" & >>"self-questioning" are good things. The point is that we are >>basically incapable of self-criticism. >> >>__ >> >>CB: We are dependent upon others for criticism. This is

from Mumia

Mumia on Bush,    Cheers, Ken Hanly FROM DEATH ROW   Mumia tears away Bush's ‘mantle of Lincoln’   By Mumia Abu-Jamal   "Slavery is a blight on our history, and racism is still with us. ... The party of Lincoln has not always worn the mantle of Lincoln." Gov. Ge

"New economy"

from Dave R's daily report: >Two economists, one from Harvard University, the other from the Federal Reserve Bank of New York, set out to debunk the New Economy. Instead, the New Economy found two new converts. Dale Jorgenson of Harvard and Kevin Stiroh of the Fed, argue that their analysis o

Woody Allen and jazz

[Have refrained from posting cultural pieces here lately in order to honor Michael Perelman's frequent request to stick to the topic of economics. Since there has been some discussion lately of art and politics, I will offer this in that spirit.] Recently I have run into Woody Allen and Soon-Yi P

patriotism And radicalism

L. Proyect makes some excellent points about the mixture of film art and clever political propaganda in the 'democracies". One more example I can think of is the 1940 Gary Cooper film "Sgt. York' Just look at the period , pre-Pearl Harbor, but a second imperialist war rages in Europe. The US

rational expectations

>>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] 08/02/00 12:57PM >>> Why foist something on the world if you don't have the slightest idea if it's fully baked or not? __ CB: Why not foist it on the world ? The world's a big boy. It can take it. What's the world ever done for you ? :>)

self criticism

The question about self-criticism is interesting. It reminds me of Keynes discussing heretics. I think about Sohn-Rethel's book Head and Hand. I get the impression that the guy worked on it for 30 years or more without much support for anyone. He ignored the criticism and produced a wonderful

Re: Re: rational expectations

Charles Brown wrote, responding to Yoshie: >I don't think it's a matter of whether "uncertainty" & >"self-questioning" are good things. The point is that we are >basically incapable of self-criticism. > >__ > >CB: We are dependent upon others for criticism. This is one of the >"advantag

close shave

Yoshie Furuhashi wrote: >Beginning in the 1980s or thereabout, Japanese men's magazines began >to recommend not only workout but also facials, excess hair removal >(like shaving legs), etc. "Shocking Fuzz": Doug

Re: Guthrie and patriotism, was Re: Re: irrrational (feminist) expectations

The story is true about This Land and God Bless America, although G worked on it longer than overnight. Joe Klein exaplins the details in his bio of G. As to patriotism, I don't mean to go back to the pop front and the Ballad for Americans, but to just have us recognize that there is no point i

RE: RE: Ragged Dick

. . . Fundamental to Ragged Dick's philosophy was not being mean. He didn't steal not just because it was against the law but because *it would be mean*. Fundamental to the neoliberal cult is that "meanness is O.K." What I'm interested in is whether "brushing the Horatio Alger myth against the gr

RE: Ragged Dick

On Wed, 2 Aug 2000, Timework Web wrote: > Nathan, 1. Do you recall the title of that book? 2. Do you know if anyone > has published anything regarding Alger's anti-capitalist, pro-union > stance? I am in DC for the summer so don't have access to my old school papers. I wrote a rather large pap

Guthrie and patriotism, was Re: Re: irrrational (feminist) expectations

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > I have a recording of Robeson doing the Ballad for Americans, a really embarassing >piece, artistically speaking. I also think that the pop front's wrapping itself in >the flag was a political mistake. "Methinks the lady doth protest too much." Woody >Guthrie, by c

Re: irrrational (feminist) expectations

Rob Schaap wrote, > that imperialist baddies speak Oxbridge English and brave freedom > fighters speak American (that one goes all the way back to Spartacus, > but I note Gladiator and that ghastly War of Independence thing follow > this habit of kicking your most trusty lapdog right in the snout

Globalization article

Globalization: Built on lies By David Eisenhower -PWW Globalist orthodoxy focuses on a deliberately narrow and partisan set of political-economic policies: free trade; export-led growth; market liberalization; privatization; and fiscal moderation. These are claimed to represent the "keys to

Re: Re: Emaciation as a Fashion (was Re: irrational (feminist) calculations)

At 12:25 AM 08/02/2000 -0400, you wrote: >(With his fondness for basketball, I'd imagine our dear moderator should >look pretty good!) I'd say that Michael looks a lot like Fred Engels (the guy who teamed up with one of the Marx brothers to start vaudeville back in the 19th century). Jim Devin

RE: Ragged Dick

Nathan Newman wrote, > When Alger described in one book the economics of renting shoe-shine > boxes and the almost impossibility of boys saving enough to buy their > own boxes from those renting them out, I thought it was one of the most > brillant summaries of the labor theory of value and alien

Re: rational expectations

>>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] 07/31/00 08:57PM >>> >Actually there was serious content to what you perceived as a piece >of wisecrack. Yoshie & I have long argued over uncertainty and >self-questioning. I think it's a good thing, and she doesn't. I like >to quote a remark by an Australian scholar of

BLS Daily Report

BLS DAILY REPORT, TUESDAY, AUGUST 1, 2000 The federal government is "investigating" New York State's robust 1999 job growth numbers after complaints that the statistics might have been inflated. In March, the state revised its 1999 job growth rate to 2.9 percent from 1.8 percent, an incre

patriotic nonsense

This web page has some wonderful material about how patriotic nonsense gets generated. http://home.nycap.rr.com/elbrecht/signers/signerindex.html -- Michael Perelman Economics Department California State University Chico, CA 95929 Tel. 530-898-5321 E-Mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: Rorty--the popular front

>>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] 08/02/00 10:27AM >>> Why do I get the impression that every thought in Neil's head and every word he writes has been written a billion times? CB: Does the fact that something is repeated often mean that it is false ? Isn't an important overlooked aspect

Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: irrrational (feminist) expectations

G'day all, Talking of movies, how was Bullworth received over there. It didn't do much business here, but I reckon its basic theme (politicians are corporate PR-puppets who do nothing but lie at election time and nothing but feather their nests with payola the rest of the time) would resonate ov

Re: Re: Rorty--the popular front

Justin, I had suggested that Neil's style was not contributing anything to the list. When I mentioned my intention to unsub him, a majority of responses suggested that I should not do it. So the style question seems settled for now. But please refrain from personalizing debates. Such as what

Re: RE: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: irrrational (feminist) e xpectations

I have a recording of Robeson doing the Ballad for Americans, a really embarassing piece, artistically speaking. I also think that the pop front's wrapping itself in the flag was a political mistake. "Methinks the lady doth protest too much." Woody Guthrie, by contrast, was a real patriot. "Thi

Re: Rorty--the popular front

Why do I get the impression that every thought in Neil's head and every word he writes has been written a billion times? I am an internationalist, not a nationalist. I did say that we have to recognize that caring about your country, or patriotism, as it is sometimes called, is a sociological f

RE: Patriotism and radicalism

Right, I think Jenkins was the conductor. -Original Message- From: Louis Proyect [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, August 02, 2000 9:45 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [PEN-L:135] Patriotism and radicalism Martin wrote: >Another great example is "Ballad for America," a patri

Patriotism and radicalism

Martin wrote: >Another great example is "Ballad for America," a patriotic oratoria written >by Gordon Jenkins and first performed at the REPUBLICAN national convention >(I'm not sure what year). It became a staple for Paul Robeson, as the lead >soloist and narrator, usually accompanied by a "peop

RE: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: irrrational (feminist) expectations

Another great example is "Ballad for America," a patriotic oratoria written by Gordon Jenkins and first performed at the REPUBLICAN national convention (I'm not sure what year). It became a staple for Paul Robeson, as the lead soloist and narrator, usually accompanied by a "people's chorus" of un

Re: Ragged Dick

On Tue, 1 Aug 2000, Timework Web wrote: > Let's do the math. Ten dollars a week is $520 a year or roughly 5% annual > interest on the "$10,000" debt which the father/capitalist "can never > repay". Except that Dick has to work for it. Right off the bat Dick has > been cheated by Mr. Bigmouth Mon

Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: irrrational (feminist) expectations

On Tue, 1 Aug 2000, Jim Devine wrote: > At 04:12 PM 08/01/2000 -0400, you wrote: > >I think it's worth distinguishing patriotism from nationalism or chavinism. > > yeah, I'm a patriot. You're a nationalist. He's a chauvinist. > the old semantics game. It's more of a "capture the flag without d

Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: irrrational (feminist) expectations

En relación a [PEN-L:98] Re: Re: Re: Re: irrrational (feminist), el 1 Aug 00, a las 16:49, Charles Brown dijo: > > >>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] 08/01/00 04:12PM >>> > "Communism is Twenthieth Century Americanism" may have been an extreme > version of this approach, but it is the right direction. > I

Re: Re: Evidence? (was Re: irrrational (feminist)calculations)

G'day Yoshie, >Yes (and Carrol did so in his post), Oh, I realise Carrol added the required reservations; I just wasn't sure where he was going with 'em. >>The patronising and stifling insult sustained by women here seems the pick >>of two real stinkers ... > >What do you exactly refer to in th

Rorty--the popular front

Justin says he is for the workers class struggle. Comforting !. But he also backs nationalism (because of its present influence -- bourg. economy -hence nation states still predominate) and is proud to be a 'pragmatist" who wants the 'left' to "reclaim" the terrain of nationalism. Setting asid

Re: Re: Emaciation as a Fashion (was Re: irrational(feminist)calculations)

Yoshie Furuhashi wrote: > Bourgeois males used to be able to merely possess slender beauties; > now they must also aspire to become slender beauties as well if they > can (reflecting _changes in ideological emphasis_ from possession to > performance, from vertical integration to lean & mean sub