It is not protectionism, like the violence instigated by the US is not
terrorism. Protectionism (terrorism) is what the other guy does.
Jim Devine wrote:
>
> Michael wrote:
> >It may be that intellectual property laws may be the most effective form
> >of protectionism devised so far.
>
> excep
From Johnson's Russia List. I'm under the impression that the Jamestown
Foundation, is of a right-wing flavor, from a cursory glance in the past.
http://www.jamestown.org/
Chubais, was Gore's pal, no?
I have yet to read Stephen Cohen, "Failed Crusade, " waiting for the pb. I
betcha, on the
Quoting me:
>"It's not US _savings_ (i.e., assets) that are "non-existent." Rather,
>it's US _saving_ (net addition to savings) that is negative. Overall US
>consumer net worth is _positive_, not negative (even though this net worth
>did fall during the last year)."
Alex comments:
>There seems
I found Lind's kiss off to the Right, "Why The Right Is Wrong, " a good
expose, esp. the chapter on Pat Robertson's sourcing anti-semite, conspiracy
theorist, Nesta Webster, author od Red-Web spinning books like, "World
Revolution." Have yet to read, "The First American Nation." Publishes wide
Either tell us exactly what the so-called "unethical professional
conduct" exactly was, or don't bring this up in a public forum.
Andrew Hagen
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Michael Perelman wrote,
>If the US tried to use protectionism as a form for maintaining aggregate
>demand, wouldn't that throw fuel on the Argentinian/Turkish crisis?
>Doesn't the rest of the world economy depend on the US as the consumer of
>last resort?
Would it be a bull in China shop?
T
Hello Economucks,
Rakesh writes,
yet we hardly recognize that our positions have changed over time, which so
complicates the idea of a person as a substrate, no? It would seem to me
that if the net does succeed in allowing for some indepth discussion, the
rate at which our views change may acc
>Lind is not a nativist. He is a liberal
>nationalist. He may be a Listian, but
>to me that is not necessarily a Bad Thing.
>The idea that he is a right-wing plant is
>hallucinatory.
>
>mbs
Check what he says about the need to control immigration in one of
his books. Maybe I am hallucinating h
Lind is not a nativist. He is a liberal
nationalist. He may be a Listian, but
to me that is not necessarily a Bad Thing.
The idea that he is a right-wing plant is
hallucinatory.
mbs
. . . Michael told me not to insult anyone, so I will hold back my comments
on the neo-nativist and self-procla
>JUL 18, 2001
>
>Other People's Money
>
>By PAUL KRUGMAN
>
>I t wasn't true when Richard Nixon said it, but it is true today: We
>are all Keynesians now at least when we look at our own economy. We
>give anti-Keynesian advice only to other countries.
>
>When it comes to the U.S. ec
But the self is in eclipse,
> one way or another.
>
>
>
JUL 18, 2001
Other People's Money
By PAUL KRUGMAN
I t wasn't true when Richard Nixon said it, but it is true today: We
are all Keynesians now at least when we look at our own economy. We
give anti-Keynesian advice only to other countries.
When it comes to the U.S. economy, everyon
It seems very interesting what is going on in this discussion, and I am
afraid that I can hardly follow.
Anyway, let me clarifiy small points. A colleague wrote:
>
>Except the paper says "_In the very last resort_, the United States should
>not forget that nondiscriminatory measures to control imp
Hello,
there is one thing that I think is important enough to emphasise, in
relation with our analysis and what is believed elsewhere.
It is about the saving rate, and whether the private sector balance is
sustainable or not.
Quoting Jim Devine:
"It's not US _savings_ (i.e., assets) that are "non
Michael wrote:
>It may be that intellectual property laws may be the most effective form
>of protectionism devised so far.
except that it's not the kind of thing that's called "protectionism." It
protects individual corporations or other property-holders, not the
domestic markets of countries.
>Rakesh Narpat Bhandari wrote,
>
>>And the size of the CAD (and trade deficit) is not correlated with
>>the value of the dollar; if it were there would be some reason to
>>expect Tom W's scenario of an imminent mass dumping of dollars. Why
>>does there seem to be no correlation? Ellen's analysis
>Michael Lind (The Next American Nation) makes the point
>that patents, IP, and professional licensure (i.e.,
>tenure!) are the upper-class ("white overclass") variant
>of protectionism.
>
>Consistent free-traders should be willing to do away
>with those barriers to trade as well. How do laissez
Are you saying, then, that the absence of evidence is the same as evidence
of absence? I guess I missed what the "this" refers to that you wrote your
dissertation on.
Ellen Frank wrote,
>Actually, I don't overlook this. In fact I wrote my
>dissertation on this and looked into the role of
>histo
Rakesh Narpat Bhandari wrote,
>And the size of the CAD (and trade deficit) is not correlated with
>the value of the dollar; if it were there would be some reason to
>expect Tom W's scenario of an imminent mass dumping of dollars. Why
>does there seem to be no correlation? Ellen's analysis see
To that extent tax competition is on point.
In the main, urban fiscal problems are due
to the city-suburb (city-state legislature)
relationship, IMO.
mbs
Max, I don't understand your point. Toledo gave away tax breaks to lure
companies, such as Chrysler, which gutted its tax base.
Michael Lind (The Next American Nation) makes the point
that patents, IP, and professional licensure (i.e.,
tenure!) are the upper-class ("white overclass") variant
of protectionism.
Consistent free-traders should be willing to do away
with those barriers to trade as well. How do laissez
faire e
Max, I don't understand your point. Toledo gave away tax breaks to lure
companies, such as Chrysler, which gutted its tax base.
On Wed, Jul 18, 2001 at 04:49:04PM -0400, Max Sawicky wrote:
> I don't think it's quite right as an
> analogy. There's a city/suburb problem
> that you can appreciate
It may be that intellectual property laws may be the most effective form
of protectionism devised so far.
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Eugene Coyle wrote,
>Having said that, I wonder if losing the "family wage" -- i. e.
>needing two wage earners to support a household that one wage earner
>once could isn't a claw-back on the part of capital. Any
>thoughts/statistics about that?
Another name for the family wage would be the "ma
I don't think it's quite right as an
analogy. There's a city/suburb problem
that you can appreciate wherein better-off
people reside in suburbs and use the cities
for job locations, services, and certain
amenities not available in suburbs (museums,
sports teams, etc.). This way they avoid,
with
I was impressed by Ellen's statement this morning, but I wonder how much
of the money invested in U.S. stocks and bonds is at risk from flight back
to its original source in say, Europe or Japan? How much flight would be
required to spook the financial markets? Couldn't a relatively small
amount
> > Actually, I don't overlook this. In fact I wrote my dissertation on
>> this and looked into the role of historical "inertia" quite closely
>> and it doesn't hold up.
>
>Sounds like a great diss. Did you ever publish an article summarizing it?
>If not, what school did you do it at?
>
>> Th
Jim Devine wrote:
>I wrote:
>>>The MNCs are mostly for free trade, though they will take
>>>advantage of existing trade restrictions, if they can.
>
>Rakesh:
>>Jim, how do you know this?
>
>The usual way I know things, from reading, from direct experience,
>and from logically or intuitively fig
> > I refer here not only to retaliations and beggar-thy-neighbor
>> policies (to which Mark was perhaps averring) but the possibility
>> that by limiting the supply of dollars abroad through tariffs and the
>> other import restrictions meant to protect declining industries--and
>> this seems
> Actually, I don't overlook this. In fact I wrote my dissertation on
> this and looked into the role of historical "inertia" quite closely
> and it doesn't hold up.
Sounds like a great diss. Did you ever publish an article summarizing it?
If not, what school did you do it at?
> The official d
See http://bellarmine.lmu.edu/~JDevine/talks/LMU-econ071701.htm to see the
notes on the talk I gave yesterday on the state of the US economy. Comments
are welcome.
Jim Devine [EMAIL PROTECTED] & http://bellarmine.lmu.edu/~jdevine
>>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] 07/18/01 01:41PM >>>
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>CB: Isn't this in part because a lot of the "imports" into the U.S. are
>from U.S controlled transnationals from their capital and production
>outside of the geographical U.S. ( the "U.S." still exporting capital
>muchly ) ?
I don't think
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Actually, I don't overlook this. In fact I wrote my
dissertation on this and looked into the role of
historical "inertia" quite closely and it doesn't
hold up. The official dollar role has been over
since 1973. The US has run current account
deficitd in every single year since then, deficits
tha
>CB: Cutting taxes on multinationals, but not on workers ? Cutting wages or
>working class incomes , in part, by cutting social spending , this
>neo-liberalist austerity ?
yup.
>CB: Is it the pushing exports and the cutting taxes and wages that could
>lead to deepening world depresssion , o
>>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] 07/15/01 09:48PM >>>
Yoshie:
>The essence of imperialism may be best understood as what is
>necessary to ensure the global reproduction of social relations of
>capitalism, for which a variety of means -- including embargoes --
>are used, depending on what changing circumst
Like the U.S. Business Industrial Council. Marc Cooper on Radio Nation
had on one of their ideologues.
http://www.opensecrets.org/lobbyists/98profiles/24303.htm
1998 DATA* (1997 DATA ALSO AVAILABLE)
US Business & Industrial Council
Total Lobbying Expenditures: $60,000
Lobbying Firms Hired
>>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] 07/18/01 12:34PM >>>
Charles wrote:
>CB: What is competitive austerity ? Is it competition between governments
>to see who can cut social spending and public enterprise the most ? Is the
>difference between this and the 1930 situation that there weren't welfare
>state in
Charles wrote:
>CB: What is competitive austerity ? Is it competition between governments
>to see who can cut social spending and public enterprise the most ? Is the
>difference between this and the 1930 situation that there weren't welfare
>state institutions as much in place then as in the pe
There is tax competition between states and countries,
but the effect in distorting tax structures is much
more important, IMO, than the impact on the size of
government. There is pressure on the size of Gov,
but it stems from ideological and (anti-)redistributive
concerns, not very much from act
Ellen wrote:
>I have to disagree with the proposition that the US
>current account deficit might presage flight from
>the greenback, capital outflows and financial collapse.
>Though the scenario is plausible on the surface, it
>overlooks one thing. Increasingly, the world's wealthy
>count their w
>>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] 07/17/01 07:11PM >>>
Anyway, I think it's a big mistake to generalize from the 1930 Hawley-Smoot
tariff to current-day issues. (It's quite common for the "free trade
vulgaris" crowd -- e.g., Krugman -- to fall for this trap.) The GATT (now
called the WTO) is aimed spe
Ellen is partly right but she overlooks the circular nature of her case. The
wealthy count their wealth in dollars because of the historical role that
the US dollar achieved over many decades. A US current account deficit
doesn't change that historical role overnight. A few decades of current
acco
OK
>>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] 07/18/01 11:09AM >>>
Charles, please lay off Leo.
On Wed, Jul 18, 2001 at 10:49:52AM -0400, Charles Brown wrote:
>
>
> >>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] 07/18/01 12:13AM >>>
> Hey Leo,
>
> Your departure is PEN-L's loss, not yours.
>
> (
>
> CB: Yea, without struggle th
Charles, please lay off Leo.
On Wed, Jul 18, 2001 at 10:49:52AM -0400, Charles Brown wrote:
>
>
> >>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] 07/18/01 12:13AM >>>
> Hey Leo,
>
> Your departure is PEN-L's loss, not yours.
>
> (
>
> CB: Yea, without struggle there is no progress, and Leo has that at the bot
The Economic Policy Institute recently released a
new Briefing Paper, When Work Just Isn't Enough, which examines the
hardships families experience on and off welfare. Many families that have left
welfare rolls to join the workforce experience hardships even when they are
successful in findi
>>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] 07/18/01 12:13AM >>>
Hey Leo,
Your departure is PEN-L's loss, not yours.
(
CB: Yea, without struggle there is no progress, and Leo has that at the bottom of all
his posts. Plus, he's a real anti- you know what, so we pro's can really struggle with
such anti, ca
Now I'm leaving PEN-L.
>I don't get along with Rakesh, who has just arrived,
>but how do we know it's really Rakesh and not some
>imposter whose real name is Hyman Blumenstock or
>Tachion Babushka?
Max, why do you find so called ethnic names funny? Are you one of
those self-hating ones?
Look,
Nathan is correct that it is the software, which, as far as the school is
concerned, is fixed in stone.
However, what I thought Michael was suggesting was that people manually
remove the re's before they send the message.
On Wed, Jul 18, 2001 at 10:04:46AM -0400, Nathan Newman wrote:
> The faul
I wrote:
>>The MNCs are mostly for free trade, though they will take advantage of
>>existing trade restrictions, if they can.
Rakesh:
>Jim, how do you know this?
The usual way I know things, from reading, from direct experience, and from
logically or intuitively figuring it out. But strictly s
I have to disagree with the proposition that the US
current account deficit might presage flight from
the greenback, capital outflows and financial collapse.
Though the scenario is plausible on the surface, it
overlooks one thing. Increasingly, the world's wealthy
count their wealth in dollars.
The fault is in the PEN-L listserv software; it is the only list in which I
participate that adds an extra "re:" when I reply to a post. It has to do
with the fact that every message header is automatically changed by the
software with a new number that eliminates the re: in front of the previous
Rakesh, you are welcome to argue against those who fight against
sweatshops, but the personal attacks cannot go on here.
Your long attack on Lou is double irrelevant since he is no longer on the
list.
I learnt from your earlier attacks on sweatshops. I believe that Doug
also said on LBO that he
Thanks for reminding us.
On Wed, Jul 18, 2001 at 03:10:22AM -0400, Michael Pollak wrote:
>
> I don't suppose there's any chance of getting people whose mail programs
> multiply re's to change their settings? It soon makes the subject lines
> useless for no gain that I can see.
>
> Michael
>
> I refer here not only to retaliations and beggar-thy-neighbor
> policies (to which Mark was perhaps averring) but the possibility
> that by limiting the supply of dollars abroad through tariffs and the
> other import restrictions meant to protect declining industries--and
> this seems to be what
>
>Even so, please, I am trying to avoid the aggressive sort of note that you
>posted here. Please cool it.
I see aggression in what Spivak once called in a moment of clarity
"sanctioned ignorance", i.e., what can be safely ignored. Note Max's
refusal to reply to "Jain Carowan's" well reasone
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