I don't suppose there's any chance of getting people whose mail programs
multiply re's to change their settings? It soon makes the subject lines
useless for no gain that I can see.
Michael
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Michael
Even so, please, I am trying to avoid the aggressive sort of note that you
posted here. Please cool it.
I see aggression in what Spivak once called in a moment of clarity
sanctioned ignorance, i.e., what can be safely ignored. Note Max's
refusal to reply to Jain Carowan's well reasoned
I refer here not only to retaliations and beggar-thy-neighbor
policies (to which Mark was perhaps averring) but the possibility
that by limiting the supply of dollars abroad through tariffs and the
other import restrictions meant to protect declining industries--and
this seems to be what
Thanks for reminding us.
On Wed, Jul 18, 2001 at 03:10:22AM -0400, Michael Pollak wrote:
I don't suppose there's any chance of getting people whose mail programs
multiply re's to change their settings? It soon makes the subject lines
useless for no gain that I can see.
Michael
Rakesh, you are welcome to argue against those who fight against
sweatshops, but the personal attacks cannot go on here.
Your long attack on Lou is double irrelevant since he is no longer on the
list.
I learnt from your earlier attacks on sweatshops. I believe that Doug
also said on LBO that
The fault is in the PEN-L listserv software; it is the only list in which I
participate that adds an extra re: when I reply to a post. It has to do
with the fact that every message header is automatically changed by the
software with a new number that eliminates the re: in front of the previous
I have to disagree with the proposition that the US
current account deficit might presage flight from
the greenback, capital outflows and financial collapse.
Though the scenario is plausible on the surface, it
overlooks one thing. Increasingly, the world's wealthy
count their wealth in dollars.
I wrote:
The MNCs are mostly for free trade, though they will take advantage of
existing trade restrictions, if they can.
Rakesh:
Jim, how do you know this?
The usual way I know things, from reading, from direct experience, and from
logically or intuitively figuring it out. But strictly
Nathan is correct that it is the software, which, as far as the school is
concerned, is fixed in stone.
However, what I thought Michael was suggesting was that people manually
remove the re's before they send the message.
On Wed, Jul 18, 2001 at 10:04:46AM -0400, Nathan Newman wrote:
The
Now I'm leaving PEN-L.
I don't get along with Rakesh, who has just arrived,
but how do we know it's really Rakesh and not some
imposter whose real name is Hyman Blumenstock or
Tachion Babushka?
Max, why do you find so called ethnic names funny? Are you one of
those self-hating ones?
Look, I
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Hey Leo,
Your departure is PEN-L's loss, not yours.
(
CB: Yea, without struggle there is no progress, and Leo has that at the bottom of all
his posts. Plus, he's a real anti- you know what, so we pro's can really struggle with
such anti, causing
The Economic Policy Institute recently released a
new Briefing Paper, When Work Just Isn't Enough, which examines the
hardships families experience on and off welfare. Many families that have left
welfare rolls to join the workforce experience hardships even when they are
successful in
Charles, please lay off Leo.
On Wed, Jul 18, 2001 at 10:49:52AM -0400, Charles Brown wrote:
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Hey Leo,
Your departure is PEN-L's loss, not yours.
(
CB: Yea, without struggle there is no progress, and Leo has that at the bottom of
all his
OK
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Charles, please lay off Leo.
On Wed, Jul 18, 2001 at 10:49:52AM -0400, Charles Brown wrote:
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Hey Leo,
Your departure is PEN-L's loss, not yours.
(
CB: Yea, without struggle there is no progress,
Ellen is partly right but she overlooks the circular nature of her case. The
wealthy count their wealth in dollars because of the historical role that
the US dollar achieved over many decades. A US current account deficit
doesn't change that historical role overnight. A few decades of current
[EMAIL PROTECTED] 07/17/01 07:11PM
Anyway, I think it's a big mistake to generalize from the 1930 Hawley-Smoot
tariff to current-day issues. (It's quite common for the free trade
vulgaris crowd -- e.g., Krugman -- to fall for this trap.) The GATT (now
called the WTO) is aimed
Ellen wrote:
I have to disagree with the proposition that the US
current account deficit might presage flight from
the greenback, capital outflows and financial collapse.
Though the scenario is plausible on the surface, it
overlooks one thing. Increasingly, the world's wealthy
count their wealth
There is tax competition between states and countries,
but the effect in distorting tax structures is much
more important, IMO, than the impact on the size of
government. There is pressure on the size of Gov,
but it stems from ideological and (anti-)redistributive
concerns, not very much from
Charles wrote:
CB: What is competitive austerity ? Is it competition between governments
to see who can cut social spending and public enterprise the most ? Is the
difference between this and the 1930 situation that there weren't welfare
state institutions as much in place then as in the
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Charles wrote:
CB: What is competitive austerity ? Is it competition between governments
to see who can cut social spending and public enterprise the most ? Is the
difference between this and the 1930 situation that there weren't welfare
state
Like the U.S. Business Industrial Council. Marc Cooper on Radio Nation
had on one of their ideologues.
http://www.opensecrets.org/lobbyists/98profiles/24303.htm
1998 DATA* (1997 DATA ALSO AVAILABLE)
US Business Industrial Council
Total Lobbying Expenditures: $60,000
Lobbying Firms Hired
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Yoshie:
The essence of imperialism may be best understood as what is
necessary to ensure the global reproduction of social relations of
capitalism, for which a variety of means -- including embargoes --
are used, depending on what changing circumstances
CB: Cutting taxes on multinationals, but not on workers ? Cutting wages or
working class incomes , in part, by cutting social spending , this
neo-liberalist austerity ?
yup.
CB: Is it the pushing exports and the cutting taxes and wages that could
lead to deepening world depresssion , or
Actually, I don't overlook this. In fact I wrote my
dissertation on this and looked into the role of
historical inertia quite closely and it doesn't
hold up. The official dollar role has been over
since 1973. The US has run current account
deficitd in every single year since then, deficits
that
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CB: Isn't this in part because a lot of the imports into the U.S. are
from U.S controlled transnationals from their capital and production
outside of the geographical U.S. ( the U.S. still exporting capital
muchly ) ?
I don't think that the
See http://bellarmine.lmu.edu/~JDevine/talks/LMU-econ071701.htm to see the
notes on the talk I gave yesterday on the state of the US economy. Comments
are welcome.
Jim Devine [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://bellarmine.lmu.edu/~jdevine
Actually, I don't overlook this. In fact I wrote my dissertation on
this and looked into the role of historical inertia quite closely
and it doesn't hold up.
Sounds like a great diss. Did you ever publish an article summarizing it?
If not, what school did you do it at?
The official dollar
I refer here not only to retaliations and beggar-thy-neighbor
policies (to which Mark was perhaps averring) but the possibility
that by limiting the supply of dollars abroad through tariffs and the
other import restrictions meant to protect declining industries--and
this seems to be
Jim Devine wrote:
I wrote:
The MNCs are mostly for free trade, though they will take
advantage of existing trade restrictions, if they can.
Rakesh:
Jim, how do you know this?
The usual way I know things, from reading, from direct experience,
and from logically or intuitively figuring it out.
Actually, I don't overlook this. In fact I wrote my dissertation on
this and looked into the role of historical inertia quite closely
and it doesn't hold up.
Sounds like a great diss. Did you ever publish an article summarizing it?
If not, what school did you do it at?
The official
I was impressed by Ellen's statement this morning, but I wonder how much
of the money invested in U.S. stocks and bonds is at risk from flight back
to its original source in say, Europe or Japan? How much flight would be
required to spook the financial markets? Couldn't a relatively small
I don't think it's quite right as an
analogy. There's a city/suburb problem
that you can appreciate wherein better-off
people reside in suburbs and use the cities
for job locations, services, and certain
amenities not available in suburbs (museums,
sports teams, etc.). This way they avoid,
with
Eugene Coyle wrote,
Having said that, I wonder if losing the family wage -- i. e.
needing two wage earners to support a household that one wage earner
once could isn't a claw-back on the part of capital. Any
thoughts/statistics about that?
Another name for the family wage would be the male
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It may be that intellectual property laws may be the most effective form
of protectionism devised so far.
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Max, I don't understand your point. Toledo gave away tax breaks to lure
companies, such as Chrysler, which gutted its tax base.
On Wed, Jul 18, 2001 at 04:49:04PM -0400, Max Sawicky wrote:
I don't think it's quite right as an
analogy. There's a city/suburb problem
that you can appreciate
Michael Lind (The Next American Nation) makes the point
that patents, IP, and professional licensure (i.e.,
tenure!) are the upper-class (white overclass) variant
of protectionism.
Consistent free-traders should be willing to do away
with those barriers to trade as well. How do laissez
faire
To that extent tax competition is on point.
In the main, urban fiscal problems are due
to the city-suburb (city-state legislature)
relationship, IMO.
mbs
Max, I don't understand your point. Toledo gave away tax breaks to lure
companies, such as Chrysler, which gutted its tax base.
Rakesh Narpat Bhandari wrote,
And the size of the CAD (and trade deficit) is not correlated with
the value of the dollar; if it were there would be some reason to
expect Tom W's scenario of an imminent mass dumping of dollars. Why
does there seem to be no correlation? Ellen's analysis seems
Are you saying, then, that the absence of evidence is the same as evidence
of absence? I guess I missed what the this refers to that you wrote your
dissertation on.
Ellen Frank wrote,
Actually, I don't overlook this. In fact I wrote my
dissertation on this and looked into the role of
Michael Lind (The Next American Nation) makes the point
that patents, IP, and professional licensure (i.e.,
tenure!) are the upper-class (white overclass) variant
of protectionism.
Consistent free-traders should be willing to do away
with those barriers to trade as well. How do laissez
faire
Rakesh Narpat Bhandari wrote,
And the size of the CAD (and trade deficit) is not correlated with
the value of the dollar; if it were there would be some reason to
expect Tom W's scenario of an imminent mass dumping of dollars. Why
does there seem to be no correlation? Ellen's analysis seems to
Michael wrote:
It may be that intellectual property laws may be the most effective form
of protectionism devised so far.
except that it's not the kind of thing that's called protectionism. It
protects individual corporations or other property-holders, not the
domestic markets of countries.
Hello,
there is one thing that I think is important enough to emphasise, in
relation with our analysis and what is believed elsewhere.
It is about the saving rate, and whether the private sector balance is
sustainable or not.
Quoting Jim Devine:
It's not US _savings_ (i.e., assets) that are
It seems very interesting what is going on in this discussion, and I am
afraid that I can hardly follow.
Anyway, let me clarifiy small points. A colleague wrote:
Except the paper says _In the very last resort_, the United States should
not forget that nondiscriminatory measures to control
JUL 18, 2001
Other People's Money
By PAUL KRUGMAN
I t wasn't true when Richard Nixon said it, but it is true today: We
are all Keynesians now at least when we look at our own economy. We
give anti-Keynesian advice only to other countries.
When it comes to the U.S. economy,
But the self is in eclipse,
one way or another.
JUL 18, 2001
Other People's Money
By PAUL KRUGMAN
I t wasn't true when Richard Nixon said it, but it is true today: We
are all Keynesians now at least when we look at our own economy. We
give anti-Keynesian advice only to other countries.
When it comes to the U.S. economy,
Lind is not a nativist. He is a liberal
nationalist. He may be a Listian, but
to me that is not necessarily a Bad Thing.
The idea that he is a right-wing plant is
hallucinatory.
mbs
. . . Michael told me not to insult anyone, so I will hold back my comments
on the neo-nativist and
Lind is not a nativist. He is a liberal
nationalist. He may be a Listian, but
to me that is not necessarily a Bad Thing.
The idea that he is a right-wing plant is
hallucinatory.
mbs
Check what he says about the need to control immigration in one of
his books. Maybe I am hallucinating his
Hello Economucks,
Rakesh writes,
yet we hardly recognize that our positions have changed over time, which so
complicates the idea of a person as a substrate, no? It would seem to me
that if the net does succeed in allowing for some indepth discussion, the
rate at which our views change may
Michael Perelman wrote,
If the US tried to use protectionism as a form for maintaining aggregate
demand, wouldn't that throw fuel on the Argentinian/Turkish crisis?
Doesn't the rest of the world economy depend on the US as the consumer of
last resort?
Would it be a bull in China shop?
Tom
Either tell us exactly what the so-called unethical professional
conduct exactly was, or don't bring this up in a public forum.
Andrew Hagen
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I found Lind's kiss off to the Right, Why The Right Is Wrong, a good
expose, esp. the chapter on Pat Robertson's sourcing anti-semite, conspiracy
theorist, Nesta Webster, author od Red-Web spinning books like, World
Revolution. Have yet to read, The First American Nation. Publishes wide
and
Quoting me:
It's not US _savings_ (i.e., assets) that are non-existent. Rather,
it's US _saving_ (net addition to savings) that is negative. Overall US
consumer net worth is _positive_, not negative (even though this net worth
did fall during the last year).
Alex comments:
There seems to be a
From Johnson's Russia List. I'm under the impression that the Jamestown
Foundation, is of a right-wing flavor, from a cursory glance in the past.
http://www.jamestown.org/
Chubais, was Gore's pal, no?
I have yet to read Stephen Cohen, Failed Crusade, waiting for the pb. I
betcha, on the
It is not protectionism, like the violence instigated by the US is not
terrorism. Protectionism (terrorism) is what the other guy does.
Jim Devine wrote:
Michael wrote:
It may be that intellectual property laws may be the most effective form
of protectionism devised so far.
except that
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