Martin Brown wrote
When I was in London recently I saw a play called Feel Good, a
ruthless
satire of Blair's Labor Party. Have you seen it?. Any thoughts.
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MK: Unfortunately no. I'd appreciate your review of it.
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If a similar play about the Clinton Administration had appeared on
Barkley wrote:
Michael,
Yes, Mueller threatened to contact my university
and inform them of my clearly obnoxious and Marxist
behavior.
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What a disgusting piece of work. On the AFEE list his downfall was
triggered by an event that took place after a few months of his trying
to steer
I came across his anti-trust journal many years ago and thought it was
pretty good, though obviously a slight quirky operation. This just shows
how the mentality of anti-trust can be profoundly liberal, in the cold-war
sense of the word. The guy must be the same age as the queen mother by now
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One is tempted to say, A spectre is haunting global capitalism
Whatever critique anyone wants to make the ant-globalism, the scope and
sustained nature of this protest movement is remarkable. The Washington
Post reports this morning that a nine foot high fence will be erected around
the
Going by the theory of mainstream economics,
in the U.S. this has developed into a fine art.
There is a whole literature on the costs and
benefits of alleviating assorted risks. Included
are precise estimates of lives lost by fixing or
not fixing a particular cause of hazard, along
with costs of
I took at look at his web site. He claims
to edit a journal called Law and Anti-Trust
Economics, or something like that. He has
posted a long list of 'table of contents'
which has some real people on it (goes back
to 1967 too). Does anybody know if this
journal is a real thing?
mbs
David,
The quick response (missed a plane to those
who know I am not supposed to be online now, outtahere
in an hour) is that Lenin in the early 1920s, Stalin in the
early 1930s, and Mao in the late 1950s did not know,
and certainly did not INDISPUTABLY know what the results
of their
His journal is not bad. He had one of the first articles about junkets
for judges paid for by the Law and Economics crowds. He is good on the
abuses by monopolies, but competitive, small business is a font of
efficiency and virtue. Galbraith is a bad guy because he believes in
planning -- as
German economy slows to point of zero growth
Special report: global recession
Charlotte Denny
Friday August 17, 2001
The Guardian
German output has ground to a halt, the country's central bank
admitted yesterday, but it insisted that there was no danger of the
euro zone's largest economy
I have never actually seen it. But I had heard
of it prior to his bizarre appearance on pkt. And,
I have been told by other people that it is indeed
a real journal, and moderately well respected at that.
Just goes to show...
Barkley Rosser
- Original Message -
From: Max Sawicky
Hoover also withheld food from the Hungarians because he disapproved
of their revolution. Russia was too far gone for him to think that he
could influence them by withholding food.
Please, Barkley, lay off the talk of Communist death accounting. The one
point that you are making -- and it is
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Greenspan does not intend to kill people by raising interest rates.
Bush/Clinton/Bush do not intend deaths from Iraqi sanctions or giving weapons to
the Israelis.
Even the Nazis did not intend to kill many of their victims -- they
just did cost-benefit studies about how much to feed them,
Tom Walker wrote:
Yesterday, I bought a new notebook computer and today I am ecstatic --
because I took the damned thing back for a full refund! The totalitarian
impulse of Microsoft is hideous, vile and unrelenting. Yesterday, I was
grousing with the clerk in the software department about
G'day Rob,
There are, alas, conceivable circumstances under which killing has
to be done.
The thing is to weigh the options and their likely outcomes. There
lies the
difference between a killer and a murderer.
That's what Hitler and Stalin and Napolean and Cromwell and.said.
Barkley wrote:... Lenin in the early 1920s, Stalin in the early 1930s, and
Mao in the late 1950s did not know, and certainly did not INDISPUTABLY
know what the results of their actions would be. In all three cases they
were engaging in grand social experiments that essentially had never been
G'day Ian,
Thanks for the (as always) thoughtful reply.
The struggle to create institutions that can go after a Kissinger or a Pol Pot or
a Pinochet or a Truman is a worthy project, imo.
We have one. The Hague. It can. But it won't. Is there such a thing as a
utilitarian
from SLATE --
The NY [Times reports on] a multimillion dollar fraud scheme [at the
expense of Medicaid] that prosecutors in South Florida are going after, in
which recruiters who were paid a bounty by dentists or dental workers
allegedly used Pokémon cards, trips to McDonald's, and $5 bills to
Kai Bird and Gar Alperovitz, if memory serves, edited a huge anthology on
Hiroshima and the Enola Gay controversy at the Smithsonian Air Space
Museum. Over a thousand pgs. Heavy enough to kill someone if dropped from 50
ft.
Michael Pugliese
-Original Message-
From: Ian Murray [EMAIL
Brad's e-mail address is causing his messages to bounce. Here are a
couple of his posts.
In response to Michael Perelman
Hoover also withheld food from the Hungarians because he disapproved
of their revolution. Russia was too far gone for him to think that he
could influence them by
The intendedness point is a good one. But it can be carried too
far. If you're dead of malnutrition in a Nazi concentration camp, you
are as dead as if you were shot by one of the Order Police. I think
it's clear that Stalin intended for a lot of people to die during the
collectivization of
It will be like humanitarian intervention -- highly selective and not likely to take
out anybody friendly to the US. It does not sound
very appealing to me.
Rob Schaap wrote:
G'day Ian,
Thanks for the (as always) thoughtful reply.
The struggle to create institutions that can go after a
G'day Ian,
Thanks for the (as always) thoughtful reply.
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You're too kind. A tip of the glass to 'ya later today [my time].
The struggle to create institutions that can go after a Kissinger
or a Pol Pot or a Pinochet or a Truman is a worthy project, imo.
We have one. The
I will pass commenting on what Brad wrote about death accounting, hoping
that the thread will die out. With respect to Hoover, he is a mixed bag.
He was a thoroughgoing racist in his work as a mining engineer. He was
reputed to be very efficient in distributing food, with some exceptions,
such
I will pass commenting on what Brad wrote about death accounting, hoping
that the thread will die out. With respect to Hoover, he is a mixed bag.
He was a thoroughgoing racist in his work as a mining engineer. He was
reputed to be very efficient in distributing food, with some exceptions,
such
[was: Re: [PEN-L:15989] Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: RE: Re: Re: Fw: The Fall of
'Challenge'?]
At 09:53 AM 8/17/01 -0700, you wrote:
The struggle to create institutions that can go after a Kissinger or
a Pol Pot or a Pinochet or a Truman is a worthy project, imo.
We have one. The Hague.
. . .
By the way, the comparison of OIRA to the Nazi Party is obscene, and
contemptible. You can disagree with OIRA's judgments (I do at times),
but they are not Nazis, and what they do is very, very different
indeed from what the Nazis did.
I quite agree. For the record, I made no such
At 01:57 PM 8/17/01 -0400, you wrote:
It is arbitrary
because spending or causing someone to spend, say,
a million dollars to save a life might not be the
best use of the million, from the standpoint of
saving lives. I could cause Dow Chemical to spend
a million for some kind of pollution
[Hey I'm a Michael Pugliese wanna be :-)]
Title Getting institutions right for women in development / edited by
Anne Marie Goetz
Pub info London ; New York : Zed Books ; New York : Distributed
exclusively in the USA by St. Martin's Press, 1997
Author Tanzi, Vito
Title Policies, institutions and
. . . It sounds insane, but there really is an
optimal number of plane crashes.
JD: right (though I hope I'm never on one of those optimal planes). Does it
make sense to set up an entirely different standard (besides dollars and
cents) for these decisions, i.e., to balance lives saved vs. lives
yours' are much better formatted.
mbs
[Hey I'm a Michael Pugliese wanna be :-)]
Title Getting institutions right for women in development / edited by
Anne Marie Goetz
Pub info London ; New York : Zed Books ; New York : Distributed
exclusively in the USA by St. Martin's Press, 1997
Max Sawicky wrote:
mbs: I would guess other standards would defy calculation
even more. For instance, supposing all lives are assumed
to be of equal value (I'd be surprised if actual C-B
analyses did otherwise), you could imagine policies
A and B of equal cost saved different numbers of lives.
Barkley --
I am not following your argument. Let's assume that Lenin's actions in
seizing food from the peasants was primarily motivated by the need to feed
soldiers fighting a civil war. Under such circumstances, we could agree
that Lenin did not desire the deaths of the peasants. However,
At 02:48 PM 8/17/01 -0400, you wrote:
Max Sawicky wrote:
mbs: I would guess other standards would defy calculation
even more. For instance, supposing all lives are assumed
to be of equal value (I'd be surprised if actual C-B
analyses did otherwise), you could imagine policies
A and B of equal
. . . So there is limited or no rationale
for an overall budget constraint, whether expressed in
dollars or lives.
So what's the limit on this? What keeps you from descending to the
horrific Summers/Pritchett level, where the logic of dumping toxic
waste in Africa is impeccable? Doug
Good
Would this be in terms of a BMI-adjusted analysis.
in the limit, cost-benefit analysis would decide that Lawrence Summers is
worth more (in terms of discounted expected future real incomes, of
course)
than say, Brad deLong, so that it would be beneficial -- if not efficient
-- to save the
[EMAIL PROTECTED] 08/17/01 02:50PM
Did he know to a substantial certainty that people would die if chose
policy A as opposed to policy B? No.
)
CB: Isn't the standard that Justice Powell articulated that a person is presumed to
know the necessary and foreseeable
I think this discussion would benefit by being related to very relevant
concrete political events, i.e., the appointment of John Graham, director of
the Harvard Center for Risk Analysis, to deputy director (or some such
title) of the Office of Management and Budget for regulatory affairs.
By all
So what's the limit on this? What keeps you from descending to the
horrific Summers/Pritchett level, where the logic of dumping toxic
waste
in Africa is impeccable?
in the limit, cost-benefit analysis would decide that Lawrence
Summers is
worth more (in terms of discounted expected future
Friday August 17 12:29 PM ET
Africa Has Own Aims on World Trade Talks
By Mariam Isa
JOHANNESBURG (Reuters) - African countries may take a slightly
different position to other developing nations ahead of a new round of
world trade talks in November, South Africa's Trade Minister Alec
Erwin said
All well-taken. The political problem, as I see it, is that
critics of these people have no counter-science, theory, or
evidence. They are reduced to emotionalism. The best they
can do is ask people like me to find errors in the other
side's arguments. But all I can do is find errors given
D.C. Police Brace for Next Month's IMF Protests
By Arthur Santana
Washington Post Staff Writer
Friday, August 17, 2001; 1:07 PM
D.C. police are bracing for as many as 100,000 protesters at next
month's World Bank and International Monetary Fund meetings, Police
Chief Charles H. Ramsey said
There actually are some interesting counter-analytical frameworks that have
been developed by socio-democratic type Euro-health planners. These amount
to using surveys to elicit population-based valuation on how different
programmes should be traded-off against each-other, including the
All well-taken. The political problem, as I see it, is that
critics of these people have no counter-science, theory, or
evidence. They are reduced to emotionalism. The best they
can do is ask people like me to find errors in the other
side's arguments. But all I can do is find errors
At 03:46 PM 8/17/01 -0400, you wrote:
All well-taken. The political problem, as I see it, is that
critics of these people have no counter-science, theory, or
evidence. They are reduced to emotionalism. The best they
can do is ask people like me to find errors in the other
side's arguments.
There actually are some interesting counter-analytical frameworks that have
been developed by socio-democratic type Euro-health planners. These amount
to using surveys to elicit population-based valuation on how different
programmes should be traded-off against each-other, including the
Well, how about the East India Company's incompetence during the Bengal
famine of 1770? Ten million dead out of a population of thirty million,
if memory serves? Pissed the hell out of Adam Smith, too.
Michael McIntyre
--
Michael Perelman
Economics Department
California State University
Max Sawicky wrote:
That's interesting as far as matching policies to
popular preferences, but does it tell me
how to vote if I'm dedicated to the common good?
If I weren't tired and didn't have errands to run, I'd try to give a
substantive commentary here, but I am tired and must run,
King Leopold and the Congo?
-Original Message-
From: Michael Perelman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Friday, August 17, 2001 4:25 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: [PEN-L:16013] Bounced from Michael McIntyre
Well, how about the East India Company's incompetence during the Bengal
Ditto, But what is so special and correct about any given neoclassical
solution to this question?
-Original Message-
From: Carrol Cox [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Friday, August 17, 2001 4:26 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: [PEN-L:16014] Re: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: Re: RE: Re: RE:
mbs: to Martin, The only special thing is the lack of any
popular sense of an alternative answer.
to Carrol: properly defined, defending the working class
is the common good, though it's not as easy to define
primarily black female working people properly in
this vein. Not impossible, but
BUREAU OF LABOR STATISTICS, DAILY REPORT, FRIDAY, AUGUST 17, 2001:
RELEASED TODAY: Regional and state unemployment rates were generally
stable in July. All four regions registered little or no change from
June, and 42 states and the District of Columbia recorded shifts of 0.3
percentage
Heh, I thought we penners we're gonna stop that!
Herbert Hoover on the newish thread reminded me of William
Appleman Williams heterodox p.o.v. on Hoover. Several useful
pieces on the net, go to google punch in
Willaim Appleman Williams Herbert Hoover and from the Libertoons
you can read a
Viciousness and violence have long been a constant in human history. The
Nazis were unique in openly calling for the eradication of an entire
people, although I understand (I may be wrong this) that they were
inspired by policies used here in United States against the Native
Americans.
Martin
In reply to Charles:
CB: Isn't the standard that Justice Powell articulated that a person is
presumed to know the necessary and foreseeable consequences of their actions
? That would be an objective standard. Focussing on what he knew is a
subjective standard.
In fact, reckless is a
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