Re: the attack

2001-09-14 Thread Yoshie Furuhashi
How does one get on Michael Moore's mailing list? Jim Devine [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://bellarmine.lmu.edu/~jdevine Join Mike's Militia (= mailing list) at http://www.dogeatdogfilms.com/mikes.html. Yoshie

Re:WTC Bombing

2001-09-14 Thread Resende Manuel
David Shemano wrote: If you do not agree, you are my enemy. I do not agree. Do you want my adress so that you can erradicate me? Please, if you do it, make it fast. No hard feelings ;) It is only fair. It is war. Manel

WTC Bombing

2001-09-14 Thread Michael Keaney
David Shemano writes: The majority of the comments are what I expected. Utter moral confusion. Futile attempts to fit the events into your preexisting world views. = The above statement tells us a lot about your own preexisting world views. And who wouldn't be morally confused in this

US imperial decline?

2001-09-14 Thread Michael Keaney
Jim D. writes: Why is trying to exert control over wayward, actually and potentially, allies and other less committed types a symptom of US imperial decline? All empires always try to control as much as possible. If Finland were to be brought into the NATO fold, that would be a symptom of US

Enlightening lessons

2001-09-14 Thread Michael Keaney
2200 pupils sent home after electrical explosions IAIN WILSON The Herald, 14 September 2001 A teaching union demanded answers yesterday over safety when 2200 pupils were evacuated after a series of electrical explosions in a Glasgow school. Holyrood Secondary is

Taking stock of the situation

2001-09-14 Thread Michael Keaney
BAE soars on sales hopes Most military budgets expected to rise David Gow Friday September 14, 2001 The Guardian Expectations of a substantial increase in military spending in the wake of the attacks in the US drove shares in BAE Systems, Britain's premier defence group, steeply higher

Kiosks

2001-09-14 Thread Tom Walker
The following messages are from an airline union discussion list. CSSAs are customer sales and service agents. Kiosks are the ATM-like automated ticketing machines. Security -- that is _real_ security, not the superficial image of security -- is labour intensive. We are talking about a

Fallwell and Robertson express solidarity with bin Laden

2001-09-14 Thread Brown, Martin - ARP (NCI)
Todays Washington Post reports, in the entertainment section, that Jerry Falwell and Pat Robertson blame the attack on the World Trade Center on the ACLU, abortionist, People for the American Way and federal judges throwing God out of the public square. Falwell said God continues to life the

RE: the Saddam Hussein theory

2001-09-14 Thread Brown, Martin - ARP (NCI)
The author of that book was interviewed on one of the networks. She came across as a real lunatic. She coincidentally made the same argument as the Taliban that bin Laden could not be responsible because there are no facilities for training pilots in Afghanastan. Immediately after the

RE: Re: Re: Re: an act of war insurance payments

2001-09-14 Thread Max Sawicky
Don't insurance companies insure themselves? I thought it was called reinsurance. mbs This all seems weirdly ghoulish, but CNBC had an insurance pundit on earlier today who said the WTC was insured for terrorism, and that he expected big claims would be paid. The consensus is that payments

RE: Re: war pastiche

2001-09-14 Thread Max Sawicky
This flap about Bush in the WH surprises me. It's been in the media too. It's tantamount to saying that if you're in a foxhole, you are a wimp if you keep your head down. When B was in FL, planes had not been accounted for, and the plane that crashed in PA was headed straight for D.C. It would

Re: WTC Bombing

2001-09-14 Thread Jim Devine
Rob wrote: But no doubt many can be turned by trauma, and, of course, by the type of rhetoric David feeds us here - which leaves them nothing beyond 'With Me Or Against Me' in the self-fulfilling prophecy that attends militantly monotheistic final-reckoning-mongering. I was recently reading

Re: RE: Re: Re: Re: an act of war insurance payments

2001-09-14 Thread Justin Schwartz
Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2001 10:33:35 -0400 Don't insurance companies insure themselves? I thought it was called reinsurance. That is correct. --jks _ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp

EU and the WTC bombing

2001-09-14 Thread Resende Manuel
Dear penners, I don't intend to be the EU propagandist on this list, be assured. It is just that, being here, I can have some information on what they intend to do and is not reflected in the american press. Louis Michel, the Foreign Minister of Belgium and President of the EU Council of

Re: RE: Re: Re: Re: an act of war insurancepayments

2001-09-14 Thread Doug Henwood
Max Sawicky wrote: Don't insurance companies insure themselves? I thought it was called reinsurance. Yes, they do. The reinsurers are going to have to pay up, but most can afford it. Doug

Re: an act of war insurance payments

2001-09-14 Thread Rob Schaap
Don't insurance companies insure themselves? I thought it was called reinsurance. That is correct. But interesting things come up when a really horrible event, or confluence of events, occurs. If memory serves, Australia's own HIH got itself deeply into reinsurance, and the complexity of

Re: Re: an act of war insurance payments

2001-09-14 Thread Rob Schaap
NBC reckons there's a 'gentleman's agreement' between traders that they will not sell the market short. Didn't Greenspan organise something like this after the '87 hiccough? Is this sort of horizontal dealing okay? I'm sure it's necessary, but is it technically legitimate? Cheers, Rob.

Re: RE: Re: war pastiche

2001-09-14 Thread Jim Devine
Max wrote: This flap about Bush in the WH surprises me. It's been in the media too. It's tantamount to saying that if you're in a foxhole, you are a wimp if you keep your head down. When B was in FL, planes had not been accounted for, and the plane that crashed in PA was headed straight for

Re: Re: an act of war insurance payments

2001-09-14 Thread Doug Henwood
Rob Schaap wrote: Are there large companies in America who specialise in reinsurance, such that risk might be less than ideally distributed? Yes, but not just in the U.S. Two of the biggest reinsurers are European - Swiss Re and Munich Re (who are, by the way, both very concerned about

Re: Re: WTC Bombing

2001-09-14 Thread Ken Hanly
This is true only of some libertarians. Other libertarians regard them as complete sellouts and subjet them to the most caustic criticism. See for example: http://www.lewrockwell.com/ The most recent edition has the Chossudovsky article on bin Laden. Cheers, Ken Hanly - Original

Re: WTC Bombing

2001-09-14 Thread christian11
David, I don't know what list you've been reading, but I haven't seen any of the kind of one-size-fits-all analyses that you refer to in your post. If you believe that the market is a state of nature, perhaps it's disconcerting to read that the US' obnoxious attempt to foist its version of

RE: the almighty dollar redux

2001-09-14 Thread Tom Walker
Two months is forever. I wonder now about the tension between providing liquidity to equity markets and the now questionable safe-haven overhang of the dollar. The only way that an ongoing Fed liquidity bailout of equity markets can avoid devaluing the dollar is with an equally sustained,

Chossudovsky on bin Laden etc.

2001-09-14 Thread Ken Hanly
WHO IS OUSMANE BIN LADEN? by Michel Chossudovsky Professor of Economics, University of Ottawa Centre for Research on Globalisation (CRG) at http:/globalresearch.ca. The url of this article is http://globalresearch.ca/articles/CHO109C.html Posted 12 September 2001 A few hours after the

RE: Re: RE: Re: war pastiche

2001-09-14 Thread Max Sawicky
I don't understand the WH as target theory for the plane that hit the Pentagon. Apparently the plane was headed for the WH and turned to hit the Pentagon. I don't understand that either. But so far nobody disputes that the PA plane was headed straight for D.C. Why would a president with any

Re: an act of war

2001-09-14 Thread Rob Schaap
Just to back up Manuel's reading of the official ambience in Europe ... Rob. Ananova :  Europeans get edgy over war mania http://www.ananova.com/news/story/sm_398759.html?menu=news.latestheadlines European leaders have sought to quell any moves toward warmongering after the terrorist attacks.

in total confusion

2001-09-14 Thread Michael Perelman
I have been been largely silent because I do not have any idea about what is happening. What is a war on terrorism? Would it include Nelson Mandela of a few years ago? Would it include CISPES or group that raises money for Palestinian children? Certainly NATO has the military might to defeat

Fwd: START THE ANTI-WAR MOVEMENT NOW!

2001-09-14 Thread SOncu
Some on this list are apparently not interested in morality or praxis. Presumably they have already deleted this message. For the rest of us, the time is now to organize the anti-war movement. It is a matter of days before the U.S. and NATO launch a war, yes complete with ground troops, on

Re: Re: RE: Re: war pastiche

2001-09-14 Thread Tim Bousquet
The Pentagon is a better target than the White House in simple war terms, but then so isn't the NY Stock Exchange a better target than the WTC? I mean, even as a symbolic gesture? Or was the WTC something more than a simple office building, as I've always assumed? Could it be that the WTC was

National Propaganda Radio

2001-09-14 Thread Tim Bousquet
NPR is now airing a church service and patriot music-- not as a news story with commentary, interviews and so forth, but simply in its entirity. tim = Check out the Chico Examiner listserves at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DisorderlyConduct http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ChicoLeft

Re: in total confusion

2001-09-14 Thread Michael Pugliese
Would it include CISPES? See Brian Glick book from South End Press. Interview with Frank Varelli, Former FBI Informer ... Interview with Frank Varelli, Former FBI Informer. EXCERPTS FROM INTERVIEW WITH FRANK VARELLI FORMER FBI INFORMER, AND INFILTRATOR OF CISPES. ...

Re: an act of war insurance payments

2001-09-14 Thread Andrew Hagen
Reinsurance weaves a complex web. An insurance company assumes risks. Then the insurer buys insurance to cover their risk. That's reinsurance. The reinsurer buys reinsurnace to cover *their* risk. My understanding is that many companies are both insurers and reinsurers. Often a reinsurer is

Re: war pastiche

2001-09-14 Thread Andrew Hagen
The plane that hit the Pentagon flew from Dulles all the way to Kentucky, and then back to the DC area. It flew past the Pentagon and over the Capitol, where, according to one report, it circled that building. Then it flew just above the White House. This caused White House security to instruct

(AFP) Protesters rethink strategies after deadly US attacks

2001-09-14 Thread SOncu
Thursday, September 13 6:20 AM SGT Protesters rethink strategies after deadly US attacks LOS ANGELES, Sept 12 (AFP) - This week's deadly terrorist attacks in New York City and Washington are prompting activists to postpone protests and rethink their strategies, groups said Wednesday. The

Re: National Propaganda Radio

2001-09-14 Thread Michael Pugliese
Hmm. The NPR coverage I heard, in the evenings hosted by Scott Simon, this week, has been less jingoistic than during the Gulf War, being especially careful, in the call in portions to respond pro-actively to callers in that advocate nuking Afghanistan or targetting Arab-Americans, as happened

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2001-09-14 Thread Stephen E Philion
This is too much, but for a suggestion from a reader in Honolulu's Honolulu Advertiser: Then again, it beats 'retaliate with the military' ideas that have been floated thus far... Fighting terrorism with our checkbooks The nation sat riveted to the television on Sept. 11 as news of terrorist

(Reuters) IMF staffers resigned to calling off meetings

2001-09-14 Thread SOncu
IMF staffers resigned to calling off meetings Thursday, September 13, 2001 By Mark Egan, Reuters WASHINGTON #8212; Staff at the International Monetary Fund and World Bank were resigned Wednesday that their upcoming annual meetings at the end of September would be called off, saying an

Re: Re: Re: WTC Bombing

2001-09-14 Thread Michael Pugliese
More Libertoons and paleo-cons that are consistent. Americans Against World Empire, Americans Against Bombing ... for reclaiming its empire. NATO came out ... led by the Americans into the action ... build a peaceful world and to terminate ... speak out against evil financed ...

Honolulu Advertiser Editorial

2001-09-14 Thread Stephen E Philion
Here's a sign that there might emerge space in the US media for challenging the Bush line. Honolulu isn't the mainland, but it does count as US newspaper... Posted on: Friday, September 14, 2001 Editorial Bush must address new world disorder As the Bush administration gathers evidence,

BLS Daily Report

2001-09-14 Thread Richardson_D
BUREAU OF LABOR STATISTICS, DAILY REPORT, THURSDAY, SEPTEMBER 13, 2001: RELEASED TODAY; The U.S. Import Price Index declined 0.1 percent in August, the Bureau of Labor Statistics reported today. Falling prices for nonpetroleum imports more than offset a small increase in petroleum

virus warning

2001-09-14 Thread Andrew Hagen
I just received a suspicious e-mail message. It turns out to be a virus. If you get mail that says I send you this file in order to have your advice. Do not open the attachment. Just delete the mail message and empty the trash folder in your e-mail program. I don't know for sure that it came

Re: (Reuters) IMF staffers resigned to calling off meetings

2001-09-14 Thread Andrew Hagen
I hope they do cancel. If, contrary to this news story, the IMF and WB do still hold meetings, we *have* to get out there and protest, but do so totally nonviolently. I mean nonviolence like Martin Luther King. We're in a Catch-22. If they meet and we don't protest, we're admitting that our

Re: Re: an act of war insurance payments

2001-09-14 Thread Jim Devine
Andrew wrote: Reinsurance weaves a complex web. An insurance company assumes risks. Then the insurer buys insurance to cover their risk. That's reinsurance. The reinsurer buys reinsurnace to cover *their* risk. My understanding is that many companies are both insurers and reinsurers. Often a

RE: virus warning

2001-09-14 Thread Max Sawicky
I've been getting those for weeks and weeks. Must have seen 10 or 20 of them. They haven't caused any other evident damage, even though I opened them all. My email program prevented me from looking at the attachment, which is where the virus is. mbs I just received a suspicious e-mail

Re: Re: (Reuters) IMF staffers resigned to calling off meetings

2001-09-14 Thread Jim Devine
At 02:19 PM 9/14/01 -0500, you wrote: I hope they do cancel. If, contrary to this news story, the IMF and WB do still hold meetings, we *have* to get out there and protest, but do so totally nonviolently. I mean nonviolence like Martin Luther King. even without the events of Tuesday, nonviolence

Russian bases may be used by US to attack Afghansitan.

2001-09-14 Thread Ken Hanly
There are ongoing talks even though it is still unclear whether bin Laden was responsible. http://www.nypost.com/news/nationalnews/32524.htm Cheers, Ken Hanly

The PLO Rx Give Blood, Threaten Cameramen,Call Me in the Morning by Timothy No

2001-09-14 Thread Michael Pugliese
http://politics.slate.msn.com/code/chatterbox/chatterbox.asp?Show=9/13/2001; idMessage=8286

(CNN) U.S. buildup at Turkey air base reported

2001-09-14 Thread SOncu
U.S. buildup at Turkey air base reported September 13, 2001 Posted: 5:58 PM EDT (2158 GMT) By Jane Arraf CNN Ankara Bureau ANKARA, Turkey (CNN) -- Turkish military sources said Thursday the United States has beefed up its presence at Incirlik Air Base in south-central Turkey. The American

BLS Daily Report

2001-09-14 Thread Richardson_D
BUREAU OF LABOR STATISTICS, DAILY REPORT; FRIDAY, SEPTEMBER 14, 2001: RELEASED TODAY: The Producer Price Index for Finished Goods increased 0.4 percent in August, seasonally adjusted, the Bureau of Labor Statistics reports. This index posted a 0.9 percent decline in July and fell 0.4

Re: Re: Re: National Propaganda Radio

2001-09-14 Thread Michael Pugliese
Well given the meetings of CNN News honcho with Tom deLay, Dick Armey and Rush Limbaugh I don't doubt that CNN is moving right to compete with Fox We Report , You Decide, ('ya right!, thanx, Roger Ailes!) News. But, on BBC that I watch ever night over the net and MSNBC have had footage that is

Palestinian Reaction

2001-09-14 Thread Forstater, Mathew
9/14 The following message was written by Rev. Sandra Olewine, the United Methodist Liaison in Jerusalem. Joseph Gerson American Friends Service Committee Dear Friends, I've had numerous emails from people asking me to help interpret the scenes they have watched of Palestinians

insurance

2001-09-14 Thread Christian Gregory
Attacks Won't Cripple Insurers, But Issues Are Complex By CATHERINE TAYLOR Of DOW JONES NEWSWIRES LONDON -- Paying claims for the world's worst terrorist atrocity won't cripple the world's insurance industry, industry experts said Friday, but it will be a long and complicated process

U.S. Treasuries Advance, Pushing 2-Year Yields to 50-Year Lows

2001-09-14 Thread SOncu
Please, could someone send us a piece of good news? Sabri ++ 09/14 15:53 U.S. Treasuries Advance, Pushing 2-Year Yields to 50-Year Lows By Walden Siew and Heather Bandur New York, Sept. 14 (Bloomberg) -- U.S. Treasuries gained, pushing two-year yields to the lowest level in almost half

Re: insurance

2001-09-14 Thread Michael Perelman
During the early part of World War II, American insurance companies would purchase reinsurance from European companies with German connections. The Germans used this advanced information to pick off ships with important cargoes. -- Michael Perelman Economics Department California State

bin Laden armed forces chief in Aghanistan?

2001-09-14 Thread Ken Hanly
This appointment is denied by the Taliban. The original report came from Pakistan. Anyone know anything more about this? Cheers, Ken Hanly Thursday, 30 August 2001 9:58 (ET) Taliban slammed over bin Laden appointment MOSCOW, Aug. 30 (UPI) -- Russia's Foreign Ministry on Thursday condemned

Re: National Propaganda Radio

2001-09-14 Thread Marta Russell
So did KPFK in Los Angeles - a Pacifica station. Marta Tim Bousquet wrote: NPR is now airing a church service and patriot music-- not as a news story with commentary, interviews and so forth, but simply in its entirity. tim =

Re: U.S. Treasuries Advance, Pushing 2-Year Yields to 50-Year Lows

2001-09-14 Thread Jim Devine
what's wrong with low bond yields? why it this bad news? At 04:32 PM 9/14/01 -0400, you wrote: Please, could someone send us a piece of good news? Sabri ++ 09/14 15:53 U.S. Treasuries Advance, Pushing 2-Year Yields to 50-Year Lows By Walden Siew and Heather Bandur Jim Devine [EMAIL

Rewards for participation in Jihad

2001-09-14 Thread Ken Hanly
From Islam.com One of the requirements by the way is to help the poor and oppressed and punish the oppressors. There is not much in here that is counter to the view that people act on the basis of expected utility. The difference is in what satisifies believers in the Jihad's utility functions.

RE: bin Laden armed forces chief in Aghanistan?

2001-09-14 Thread michael pugliese
I doubt it. The Taliban just got what was it something like over a $100 million for crop substitution to help get rid of all the opium poppies from Uncle Sam. Not that I think they love Uncle Sam...On the below inquiry, try the great webpgs. of Mario Profaca. He has a great list too, [EMAIL

Re: U.S. Treasuries Advance, Pushing 2-Year Yields to 50-Year Lows

2001-09-14 Thread SOncu
what's wrong with low bond yields? why it this bad news? Jim, Low bond yields can be good, bad or neutral depending on the situation. Bad news in my opinion is that the Consumer Confidence fell to an eight-year low. And this occurred before the attack. This is noted towards the end of the

Depleted Uranium as Jet Wing Ballast

2001-09-14 Thread michael pugliese
Heh, I'm not a engineer... Michael, go to the Counterpunch-List archives. Jeffrey St. Clair has a post on this from the 13th. Did not know that there archives were based at CSF too. Michael Pugliese

Law or War?

2001-09-14 Thread Steve Diamond
Interview with Francis Boyle, Professor of Law, University of Illinois Subject: NO RUSH TO WAR!/O'Reilly Factor/FOX/13Sept2001 SHOW: THE O'REILLY FACTOR (20:29) September 13, 2001 Thursday Transcript # 091303cb.256 SECTION: News; Domestic LENGTH: 3973 words HEADLINE: America

RE: Law or War?

2001-09-14 Thread Max Sawicky
The Prof did very well, but what did Sam say? What happened to that part of the transcript? mbs BODY: THIS IS A RUSH TRANSCRIPT. THIS COPY MAY NOT BE IN ITS FINAL FORM AND MAY BE UPDATED. O'REILLY: While most Americans are united in their support of President Bush and the desire to bring

What are we Thinking?

2001-09-14 Thread Max Sawicky
From Rob Scott of EPI, occasionally reviled on this list for his views on trade. He's our biggest resident peacenik. As you might expect, I am pleased to be holding down the right wing. mbs I'm terribly sorry for everyone's losses in this awful tragedy. Its also important to thank the

Cockburn and St. Clair retract the CNN faked footage story,..sort-off

2001-09-14 Thread Michael Pugliese
http://www.counterpunch.org/aftershocks.html Where there was this was, Least credible news footage, in between, Least credible analysis, and, America's Greens Rally to Flag, Run for Cover. is now empty. HTML wiped clean, no retraction. Egg on face? BTW, yrs. ago Alex Cockburn asked to

Bush caused Manhattan destruction

2001-09-14 Thread Karl Carlile
Be free to join our communism mailing list at http://homepage.eircom.net/~kampf/ The recent use of hijacked aircraft in an attack on US buildings involving the destruction of two of the tallest buildings in the world and damage to the Pentagon has had a serious political impact

Re: Law or War?

2001-09-14 Thread Jim Devine
This O'Reilly character fits the classic profile of a jingoist. Is there a transcript of what Huessini (sic?) said? did O'Reilly cut him off before he finished his points? It sure looks that way. At 04:59 PM 09/14/2001 -0700, you wrote: Interview with Francis Boyle, Professor of Law,

wallerstein on WTC

2001-09-14 Thread Stephen E Philion
Comment No. 72, Sept. 15, 2001 September 11, 2001 - Why? On September 11, 2001, the whole world watched a human tragedy and a great drama, and everyone was fixated on it. In the U.S., four commercial airliners were hijacked in the early morning. The hijackers numbered 4-5 persons in each

Re: Bush caused Manhattan destruction

2001-09-14 Thread Michael Pugliese
I'm sorry Karl, I'm sure you are a nice fellow but the below could have generated by a marxist version of that postmodernist jargon generator that you've probably seen. Clumps of marxese with little empirical backbone. Conjecture about ruling class policy shifts/fractures/motives which I

Re: Re: Bush caused Manhattan destruction

2001-09-14 Thread Michael Perelman
I want us to be careful here. I was going to comment to Karl before, but resisted the temptation. While I found myself in agreement with much that Karl said, I wondered if I could communicate with anyone whom I know in such terms. I think that it is important for us to develop the ability to

war talk

2001-09-14 Thread Andrew Hagen
the attacks. The third and fourth are discussed later in this message. http://dailynews.yahoo.com/h/ap/20010914/ts/terrorist_attacks_27.html Bush has declared a state of emergency, as Macdonald Stainsby just posted. I don't think it gives the President the power to suspend civil liberties

Re: wallerstein on WTC

2001-09-14 Thread Ken Hanly
I think Wallerstein is wrong on a number of counts. The attack is meant to show that the US ( its allies) are not invulnerable and that it cannot simply impose imperial rule with no costs to its own citizens. It is not meant to show that the US is a paper tiger. This brings me to a second point.

Well, Fox Network does have a search function on the webpage but....

2001-09-14 Thread Michael Pugliese
http://fn.emediamillworks.com/ The O'Reilly Factor - SEPTEMBER 13, 2001 (Hit Score: 14) Headlines: America Unites: How Should the U.S. Bring Terrorists to Justice? Byline: Bill O’Reilly Guest: Sam Huessini, Francis Boyle Select stream to begin playing video: NetShow 100K NetShow 300K Real