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> Mark Jones
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> > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Ken Hanly
> > Sent: 30 June 2000 07:43
> > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Subject: [PEN-L:21009] Re: R
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> Sent: 30 June 2000 07:43
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> Subject: [PEN-L:21009] Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: RE: My looniness
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> I live in Manitoba. THe bulk of my electricity comes from hydro.
> There are two
> supplementary coal-fired plants that usually do not operate. Q
I live in Manitoba. THe bulk of my electricity comes from hydro. There are two
supplementary coal-fired plants that usually do not operate. Quebec
electricity comes almost entirely from hydro, although some of it is imported
from Labrador at cheap prices and then exported to New England states at
Carrol:
>(and rightly so) has incorporated environmental concers into its program. The
>second point in a way is even bigger. The particular action you cite fits
David
>Harvey's picture of environmental action, and David Harvey is categorized by
>Lou as a "Brown Marxist." I doubt that the protesto
>I don't understand. Is the YES meant to imply that electricity production
>depends ultimately upon fossil fuels?
Unless you live in the Pacific Northwest or France, the bulk of your
electricity comes from power plants that burn fossil fuels...
RE: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: RE: My looniness
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> . . . Good luck organizing, Mark.
> Doug
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> Don't sell him short. I think Mark has united PEN-L.
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> mbs
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. . . Good luck organizing, Mark.
Doug
Don't sell him short. I think Mark has united PEN-L.
mbs
Jim Devine wrote:
>I find your e-missives to be useless. Therefore, I've instructed the
>Eudora program to automatically transfer them to the trash bin. I
>recommend that others do so, too.
Hmm, not very promising for "ORGANISING"!
It's kind of hard to organize people around catastrophe. With
Actually, the 'cadre' of the Seattle demonstrators were organized in
response to what they see as a looming catastrophe. Mark, John Foster and
I are trying to develop a theoretical alternative to the kind of deep
ecology beliefs that moved them into action. It boils down to Marxism
versus Zerzan's
wood
> Sent: 28 June 2000 19:58
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: [PEN-L:20871] Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: RE: My looniness
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> Jim Devine wrote:
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> >I find your e-missives to be useless. Therefore, I've instructed the
> >Eudora program to automatically transfer them to the
I wrote:
>>I find your e-missives to be useless. Therefore, I've instructed the
>>Eudora program to automatically transfer them to the trash bin. I
>>recommend that others do so, too.
Doug writes:
>Hmm, not very promising for "ORGANISING"!
>
>It's kind of hard to organize people around catastro
Good point. Seems to me that Ottawa has such an area, and doesn't Vancouver. I don't
know about US cities. We don't suffer too much from pollution or development in this
area, although sometimes when I pass farmers who are spraying I pray that my lungs are
Roundup Ready.I guess the next step will
I don't understand. Is the YES meant to imply that electricity production
depends ultimately upon fossil fuels? Surely very little electricity is
produced by burning diesel or gas. Or are you talking about cars that burn fuel
and charge batteries that run them? There are also
cars and trucks that
Ken In addition, it might be useful to ban auto traffic in high density areas. It
would be difficult, but worth a debate in our major cities. My local paper this
morning predicts 60 to 70 extra deaths this summer (in a city of about half a
million) due to air pollution. Properly handled this shoul
If there really is an emergency and people are convinced of that I don't see
why rationing
would not work. While I agree that public transportation should be supported,
as long as the
rich don't use it they will use their influence and power to sabotage attempts
to subsidize a system they do not u
Mark,
I have been watching your sarcasmic criticisms with enthusiasm for two
days. You F many on the list left and right. What can I say? I really
admire your sense of humor. Marxists are generally known to be cool
people. You are truly sarcastic!
sarcastically,
Mine
> >>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] 06/28/00 10:46AM >
>Instead, the government should deal with the problem by increasing the
>amount and quality of public mass transit drastically, including getting
>many more of these natural-gas-driven wheelchair-friendly busses. Much of
>the expense can be covered by th
>I began by mentioning the need to control the rich. Brad suggested, if I
>understood him correctly, that I might mean that I would like to see the
>poor remain poor to minimize the impact of the rich.
No. I said that one has to be very careful deploying that kind of
argument because it does r
At 04:36 PM 6/28/00 +0100, you wrote:
>Jim, you are such a disappointment to me. "wheelchair-friendly busses"?
>Gimme a break. There won't be these kinds of kindly options.
hey, we've got them in Culver City, where I live. The engine is on top of
the bus, so that the passenger compartment is mu
e.
Get with the fucking program.
Mark Jones
http://www.egroups.com/group/CrashList
- Original Message -
From: "Jim Devine" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Wednesday, June 28, 2000 3:46 PM
Subject: [PEN-L:20826] Re: Re: RE: My looniness
> Inst
I wrote:
>Instead, the government should deal with the problem by increasing the
>amount and quality of public mass transit drastically, including getting
>many more of these natural-gas-driven wheelchair-friendly busses. Much of
>the expense can be covered by the gas tax. In general, the idea
>>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] 06/28/00 10:46AM >
Instead, the government should deal with the problem by increasing the
amount and quality of public mass transit drastically, including getting
many more of these natural-gas-driven wheelchair-friendly busses. Much of
the expense can be covered by the
At 09:41 PM 06/27/2000 -0500, you wrote:
> Although I appreciate Jim Devine's argument for higher gas prices
> there is a definite income bias involved. The relatively well off can
> continue to drive their SUV's etc. while the lower middle classes will be
> priced right out of the automobi
Ken Hanly wrote:
> Although I appreciate Jim Devine's argument for higher gas prices
there is a > definite income bias > involved. The relatively well off
can continue to drive their SUV's etc. while
> the lower middle classes will be priced right out of the automobile
market. This> saves oi
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