he's a really good guy, actually got run out
of the mayor's office in Cleveland by the big utilities-- passionately
against the war. Good for him. And he's still a Democrat. Still
committed to preserving the ruling class's party as the ruling class's
party.
----- Original M
If you mean Leigh, I think he is overdoing it.
On Sat, Jun 23, 2007 at 03:12:39PM -0400, Marvin Gandall wrote:
> Does PEN-L have a daily limit on individual posts?
--
Michael Perelman
Economics Department
California State University
Chico, CA 95929
Tel. 530-898-5321
E-Mail michael at ecst.csuch
Does PEN-L have a daily limit on individual posts?
On 6/23/07, Michael Perelman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
The list can tolerate differences of opinion, but not nastiness.
In response to ...I guess a sarcastic paraphrase, of what sartesian
(Real name unknown) thinks I mean:
It's not the theory I object to, criticizing the rigidity of cur
Why wave a red flag like that? Do you just want to start some sort of flame
war?
> From: "Leigh Meyers" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>
>
> > So your path is Marxist 'fundamentalism'?... Is it engraved on stone
> tablets?
> >
The list can tolerate differences of opinion, but not nastiness.
Militant act
imitations and bring the actions into
correspondence with the driving forces. Too abstract? I don't think
so... like I said before, class, property, and the social organization
of labor.
- Original Message -
From: "Leigh Meyers" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To:
Sent: Satu
On 6/23/07, sartesian <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Right, breath of fresh air. What's that I smell? The clean, crisp
scent of endorsing Democrats? Isn't/wasn't that part and parcel of
Goff's refreshingly, brisk, bracing critique.
It's not the theory I object to, criticizing the rigidity of curr
On 6/23/07, Matthijs Krul <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> To continue the comparison as philosophers and religious figures go,
> George Gurdjieff was much wiser (IMVHO) than Srila Prabhupada. He
> partnered up with a Russian Roman Catholic scholar, to meld a version
> of the Sufi/Dervish faith that
, it's the practice-- the practice that takes you
to endorsing Democrats, scorning actual class analysis, thumping the
King Hubbert bible of Peak Oil, etc.
- Original Message -
From: "Leigh Meyers" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To:
Sent: Saturday, June 23, 2007 10:11 AM
Subje
> To continue the comparison as philosophers and religious figures go,
> George Gurdjieff was much wiser (IMVHO) than Srila Prabhupada. He
> partnered up with a Russian Roman Catholic scholar, to meld a version
> of the Sufi/Dervish faith that the western mind could 'wrap it's mind
> around' with l
On 6/23/07, Julio Huato <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Leigh wrote:
> I don't know what "Weatherman
> tendency" is, except perhaps as
> embodied within the "Days of
> Rage" melee in Chicago 1969
> which for many of the people I
> knew considered worthless, and
> did not participate or condone...
> o
Leigh wrote:
I don't know what "Weatherman
tendency" is, except perhaps as
embodied within the "Days of
Rage" melee in Chicago 1969
which for many of the people I
knew considered worthless, and
did not participate or condone...
or vilify.
That's still my view.
I find Leigh's hostility to Marx
Jim Devine wrote:
>
> On 6/22/07, Carrol Cox <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Such violence (as
> > practiced by Weatherman or by most anarchist tendencies) is
> > counter-revolutionary: it divides and weakens the revolutionary forces.
> > It is every bit as bad as pure electoralism.
>
> I think that
On 6/22/07, Carrol Cox <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Such violence (as
practiced by Weatherman or by most anarchist tendencies) is
counter-revolutionary: it divides and weakens the revolutionary forces.
It is every bit as bad as pure electoralism.
I think that's more than a tad unfair to most anar
On 6/22/07, Carrol Cox <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Fred Hampton spent the final months of his life
delivering a speech to black high-school students the core of which was
a condemnation of the Weatherman tendency in SDS. Such violence (as
practiced by Weatherman or by most anarchist tendencies) is
Jim Devine wrote:
>
>> me: >> this is the either/or thinking that we see on the left too
> much: there's no choice but between self-indulgent ATM-burning and
> the excessive politeness of the League of Women Voters. There's no
> combinations or subtle variations in between, so anyone who criticiz
CB, now: > Now you speak with historical hindsight. What would you
have said at the time these events occurred ? Wouldn't you have seen
them as anarchistic and juvenile , hippyism ?<
no, urban revolts of the underpaid and the underemployed of the
shunned and dominated minorities are not the same
* From: Jim Devine
Charles Brown wrote:
Yea, and what good did the LA riot, or the Watts riot, or the Newark
riot or the Detroit riot do ?
^^
these might have lit the fire under the government's ass to get it to
seriously address the issue of poverty. But too often, riots tend t
Charles Brown wrote:
Yea, and what good did the LA riot, or the Watts riot, or the Newark riot or
the Detroit riot do ?
these might have lit the fire under the government's ass to get it to
seriously address the issue of poverty. But too often, riots tend to
simply bring down the iron fist. Th
Yea, and what good did the LA riot, or the Watts riot, or the Newark riot or
the Detroit riot do ? What good did all the guillotining in the French Rev
do ? They accomplished nothing. What a fool that John Brown was ? He had no
chance of winning. The Paris Commune was doomed to failure, as Marx not
What's wrong with hippies feeling good ?
It makes hippies feel good.
On Jun 19, 2007, at 2:44 PM, Jim Devine wrote:
what good does this kind of stuff do?
hael Perelman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To:
> Sent: Wednesday, June 20, 2007 5:03 PM
> Subject: Re: [PEN-L] Rampage Across Athens
>
>
> > This is getting far too personal. The term, "creep" should not be
> applied to list
> > members.
> >
&g
;how many people has your
theorizing ever fed" self-righteousness, makes discussion a real waste
of time.
- Original Message -
From: "Michael Perelman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To:
Sent: Wednesday, June 20, 2007 5:03 PM
Subject: Re: [PEN-L] Rampage Across Athens
> Th
This is getting far too personal. The term, "creep" should not be applied to
list
members.
On Wed, Jun 20, 2007 at 01:30:25PM -0700, Leigh Meyers wrote:
> Jim asked: What is this "rational politics"? who believes in it and
> what are its tenets?
>
> I responded: My employer describes part of 'ra
Jim asked: What is this "rational politics"? who believes in it and
what are its tenets?
I responded: My employer describes part of 'rational politick' well
when I discuss world affairs with him. Essentially, there's nothing he
can do about 3/4 million dead Iraqis, so just go on with 'business
(a
I am not at all sure about this bit Jim. In the first place it would not be
terribly usual for a bank branch to have insurance against being attacked -
it would be quite expensive insurance and banks are usually quite
well-armoured and guarded anyway. Banks aren't typically insured against
robber
me:
What is this "rational politics"? who believes in it and what are its tenets?
Leigh:
My employer describes part of 'rational politick' well when I discuss
world affairs with him. Essentially, there's nothing he can do about
3/4 million dead Iraqis, so just go on with 'business (and social
On 6/19/07, Jim Devine <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
What is this "rational politics"? who believes in it and what are its tenets?
My employer describes part of 'rational politick' well when I discuss
world affairs with him. Essentially, there's nothing he can do about
3/4 million dead Iraqis, so
Greetings Economists,
On Jun 19, 2007, at 11:48 AM, Doug Henwood wrote:
It makes hippies feel good.
Doyle;
When will you give up your international Hippism conspiracies?
Jim Devine writes;
what good does this kind of stuff do?
Doyle;
Many people who have seen these on stage in Las Vegas feel
Raghu cites to the burning of the Ban of America at USCB in 1970:
>> The current generation of gauchos are extremely proud of the
>> bank-burning incident. I guess it establishes the liberal credentials
>> of the community..
>> http://www.dailynexus.com/article.php?a=9084
>>
>> It is very hard to
The current generation of gauchos are extremely proud of the
bank-burning incident. I guess it establishes the liberal credentials
of the community..
http://www.dailynexus.com/article.php?a=9084
It is very hard to imagine something like that happening today.
-raghu.
On 6/19/07, s.artesian <[EMA
eyers <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Sent: Jun 19, 2007 2:54 PM
>To: PEN-L@SUS.CSUCHICO.EDU
>Subject: Re: [PEN-L] Rampage Across Athens
>
>Turn it around... What good do banks in their current configuration,
>cars, and the mayhem THEY CAUSE do?
>
>Most countries in the third worl
And we know how successful that was.
-Original Message-
>From: Dan Scanlan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Sent: Jun 19, 2007 1:50 PM
>To: PEN-L@SUS.CSUCHICO.EDU
>Subject: Re: [PEN-L] Rampage Across Athens
>
>On Jun 19, 2007, at 10:47 AM, Leigh Meyers wrote:
>
>>
&g
Please be more respectful of our commander in chief.
On Tue, Jun 19, 2007 at 02:53:06PM -0700, Jim Devine wrote:
>
> will there ALWAYS be idiots who believe that blowing things up is a
> way to solve problems?
>
--
Michael Perelman
Economics Department
California State University
Chico, CA 95929
me:
> what good does this kind of [wild in the streets] stuff do?
Leigh wrote:
> > Turn it around... What good do banks in their current configuration,
> > cars, and the mayhem THEY CAUSE do?
me:
> this sure seems like a "two wrongs make a right" fallacy. The banks
> are destructive, so let
On 6/19/07, Jim Devine <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
me: what good does this kind of [wild in the streets] stuff do?
Leigh Meyers wrote:
> Turn it around... What good do banks in their current configuration,
> cars, and the mayhem THEY CAUSE do?
this sure seems like a "two wrongs make a right" fal
me: what good does this kind of [wild in the streets] stuff do?
Leigh Meyers wrote:
Turn it around... What good do banks in their current configuration,
cars, and the mayhem THEY CAUSE do?
this sure seems like a "two wrongs make a right" fallacy. The banks
are destructive, so let's destroy the
On 6/19/07, Doug Henwood <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
It makes hippies feel good.
http://leighm.net/images/A_hippie.gif
Turn it around... What good do banks in their current configuration,
cars, and the mayhem THEY CAUSE do?
Most countries in the third world spend the equivalent of their
foreign aid from the US just paying for the mayhem automobiles cause
in their society and to their people.
...and I won't even
It makes hippies feel good.
On Jun 19, 2007, at 2:44 PM, Jim Devine wrote:
what good does this kind of stuff do?
On 6/19/07, Dan Scanlan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
On Jun 19, 2007, at 10:47 AM, Leigh Meyers wrote:
>
> Athens - Dozens of masked youths destroyed banks and cars using
> sledgeha
what good does this kind of stuff do?
On 6/19/07, Dan Scanlan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
On Jun 19, 2007, at 10:47 AM, Leigh Meyers wrote:
>
> Athens - Dozens of masked youths destroyed banks and cars using
> sledgehammers and iron bars in a rampage across the Greek capital
> during business ho
On Jun 19, 2007, at 10:47 AM, Leigh Meyers wrote:
Athens - Dozens of masked youths destroyed banks and cars using
sledgehammers and iron bars in a rampage across the Greek capital
during business hours on Tuesday, reports said.
The youths smashed the windows of several branches of Citibank and
Maybe they'll come to YOUR town soon...
Murray Bookchin to Ben Morea (UAW/MF - ESSO):
"So what are you going to do? Take Wall Street apart with hammers and chisels?
http://www.16beavergroup.org/monday/archives/001031.php
Yep
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