Luke Palmer wrote:
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On Thu, Nov 14, 2002 at 12:24:50AM -0800, Dave Storrs wrote:
: On Wed, Nov 13, 2002 at 12:33:09PM -0800, Larry Wall wrote:
: > : 1_2_3_4__5___6 (absurd, but doable)
: >
: > Nope, _ is allowed only between digits (counting a-f as digits in hex).
: >
: > Larry
:
: Does this mean that you
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Jonathan Sillito) wrote:
> Steve,
>
> Thanks! Was there a problem applying the patch? I just checked out a new cvs
> images and the file t/op/lexicals.t has not been updated. As a result, a few
> tests are failing. Should I resubmit the part of
Frank Wojcik wrote:
On Thu, Nov 14, 2002 at 07:58:55PM +0100, Angel Faus wrote:
The C<1i> and C<-1i> numbers can be also written
respectively, C and C<-i>, so the previous example
could be rewritten:
my $z = 2.3 + i;
OK. So, what does this print?
sub i {return 40}
my $z = 2.3 + i;
pri
Piers Cawley said:
> Richard Nuttall <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>> In a previous life, I worked as part of a team (implementing Expert
>> Systems in VAX Pascal actually), and we had one person whose sole aim
>> in life was to design and build test cases. In many cases his complete
>> lack of know
On Thu, Nov 14, 2002 at 09:10:07PM +, Richard Proctor wrote:
: On Thu 14 Nov, Michael G Schwern wrote:
: > On Thu, Nov 14, 2002 at 12:19:47PM +, Andy Wardley wrote:
: > > Can we overload + in Perl 6 to work as both numeric addition
: > > and string concatenation, depending on the type of th
On Fri, 15 Nov 2002, Me wrote:
> > My complete knowledge comes from
> > archive.develooper.com/perl6-language...
> > (search for "superpositions").
>
> I find google (rather than develooper's
> archive/search) the best tool for most
> searching of p6lang. Unfortunately even
> google only goes bac
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> On Thu, Nov 14, 2002 at 07:58
On Thu, Nov 14, 2002 at 07:58:55PM +0100, Angel Faus wrote:
> The C<1i> and C<-1i> numbers can be also written
> respectively, C and C<-i>, so the previous example
> could be rewritten:
>
> my $z = 2.3 + i;
OK. So, what does this print?
sub i {return 40}
my $z = 2.3 + i;
print "z:$z\n";
On Nov-15, Jonathan Sillito wrote:
> Steve,
>
> Thanks! Was there a problem applying the patch? I just checked out a new cvs
> images and the file t/op/lexicals.t has not been updated. As a result, a few
> tests are failing. Should I resubmit the part of the patch that updates
> t/op/lexicals.t?
On Nov-15, Jonathan Sillito wrote:
> Steve,
>
> Thanks! Was there a problem applying the patch? I just checked out a new cvs
> images and the file t/op/lexicals.t has not been updated. As a result, a few
> tests are failing. Should I resubmit the part of the patch that updates
> t/op/lexicals.t?
> My complete knowledge comes from
> archive.develooper.com/perl6-language...
> (search for "superpositions").
I find google (rather than develooper's
archive/search) the best tool for most
searching of p6lang. Unfortunately even
google only goes back so far, and doesn't
search punctuation.
Perl
From: Leopold Toetsch [mailto:lt@;toetsch.at]
> Garrett Goebel wrote:
> > From: chromatic [mailto:chromatic@;wgz.org]
> >
> >>Brent Dax had a nice suggestion for Perl 6 test organization.
> >>I like it tremendously.
> >
> > isn't it missing: t/var/list/...?
>
> *All* (parrot as well as perl6) t
# New Ticket Created by Jonathan Sillito
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# in the subject line of all future correspondence about this issue.
# http://rt.perl.org/rt2/Ticket/Display.html?id=18419 >
The attached patch makes subs closures and does a couple simple cleanups. It
also st
Here's the very rough draft of the String <=> Num document I said I'd
do.
Some of the behavior in here was just what made sense to me, since I
had no definitive answer. If anyone has ideas for more useful
or sensible behavior, please say so.
Oh, and I'm not sure what POD-like conventions we're u
Paolo Molaro wrote:
On 11/15/02 Gopal V wrote:
It is possible ... JIT generated code looks just like loaded code to
gcc ... Typically gdb should only need access to a symfile to correctly
allow debugging ... So an .o file of the JIT'd code should be correctly
generated with all the trimmings.
Garrett Goebel wrote:
From: chromatic [mailto:chromatic@;wgz.org]
Brent Dax had a nice suggestion for Perl 6 test organization.
I like it tremendously.
isn't it missing: t/var/list/...?
*All* (parrot as well as perl6) tests are currently a grown unorganized
mess - though working.
If this
If memory serves me right, Paolo Molaro wrote:
> You can find the complete examples of how the jit debugging features
> work in the mono tarball (mono/doc directory):
Same old lupus I never realized I had a wolf pack hunting me :-)
> the above was a partial cut&paste with s/mono/parrot/ :-)
Michael Lazzaro writes:
> Let's summarize some of the string-to-num issues:
>
>my int $i = literal "0xff"; # 255
>
>
> (3) -- We want to be able to parse a string as a number using a very
> _specific_ rule; for example, if a user is expected to enter a value in
> a specific forma
Let's summarize some of the string-to-num issues:
(1) -- A number is just a number, regardless of how it's put in.
Therefore:
my int $i = 0xff;
my int $i = 255;
result in the identical number, 255, being placed in $i. Once it's in
there, there's no way to tell what format it originally
A couple more corner cases:
$a = 1:0; #error? or zero
$b = 4294967296:1.2.3.4 # base 2**32
printf "%32x", $b;
0001000200030004
Dave.
Steve,
Thanks! Was there a problem applying the patch? I just checked out a new cvs
images and the file t/op/lexicals.t has not been updated. As a result, a few
tests are failing. Should I resubmit the part of the patch that updates
t/op/lexicals.t?
--
Jonathan Sillito
> -Original Message---
On Friday, November 15, 2002, at 10:51 AM, Dave Whipp wrote:
"Michael Lazzaro" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote
1.5e1 == 15
16:1.5e1 != (1 + 5/16) * 16
Due to ambiguities, the proposal to allow floating point in bases
other
than 10 is therefore squished. If anyone still wants it, we can ask
the de
"Michael Lazzaro" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote
> > 1.5e1 == 15
> > 16:1.5e1 != (1 + 5/16) * 16
>
> Due to ambiguities, the proposal to allow floating point in bases other
> than 10 is therefore squished. If anyone still wants it, we can ask
> the design team to provide a final ruling.
So what about
"Michael Lazzaro" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote
>[...]
> So if you *knew* you were dealing with
> 16-bit unsigned integers, you could say
>
> my uint16 @numarray;
>
> and it would generate the optimal code for such an array. You could
> instead say:
>
> my Int @numarray is ctype("unsigned short int"
On Thursday, November 14, 2002, at 01:27 PM, Dave Whipp wrote:
And now I know why we can't use C<.> as a floating point in base 16:
1.5e1 == 15
16:1.5e1 != (1 + 5/16) * 16
Due to ambiguities, the proposal to allow floating point in bases other
than 10 is therefore squished. If anyone still
On Friday, November 15, 2002, at 01:10 AM, Dave Whipp wrote:
I still don't understand why we want to go to all this hassle of
completing a vast list primitives to support mappings onto languages
and architectures that have yet to be invented. I still prefer to keep
things simple:
my Number $a
--- Piers Cawley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Austin Hastings <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>
> > --- Piers Cawley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >> I wonder what would happen if you had a junction of
> >> continuations. Producing something practical is left as an
> exercise
> >> for the interested r
On Fri, 15 Nov 2002 00:23:51 +, Dave Whipp wrote:
> I agree that CVS makes it difficult to change things later (I assume you
> don't want to risk Subversion in its current state). However, I would
> suggest that you hold off creating the elaborate structure until we need
> it. Bucket loads
On 11/15/02 Gopal V wrote:
> It is possible ... JIT generated code looks just like loaded code to
> gcc ... Typically gdb should only need access to a symfile to correctly
> allow debugging ... So an .o file of the JIT'd code should be correctly
> generated with all the trimmings.
>
> $ gdb parr
If memory serves me right, Tim Bunce wrote:
> "CCured is a source-to-source translator for C, which
> analyzes the program to determine the smallest number of
> run-time checks that must be inserted in the program to
> prevent all memory safety violations."
Yow ! .. the ou
If memory serves me right, Leopold Toetsch wrote:
> pusha/popa is overkill. The called functions always save bp and bx,di,si
> when used. ax is the return value, remaining is dx (cx is used by
> shifts) - i386 of course.
Ok ... push_necessary() ;-) ...
> > Speaking about debugging calls fro
Dave Whipp <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> Piers Cawley wrote:
>
>> I'm not arguing that the unit tests themselves shouldn't carry
>> documentation, but that documentation (if there is any) should be
>> aimed at the perl6 developer.
>
> Depends what you mean by "perl6 developer": is that the interna
From: chromatic [mailto:chromatic@;wgz.org]
>
> Brent Dax had a nice suggestion for Perl 6 test organization.
> I like it tremendously.
isn't it missing: t/var/list/...?
Per Apocalpyse 2, RFC 175:
>
> [1,2,3]
>
> is syntactic sugar for something like:
>
> scalar(list(1,2,3));
>
> Depe
Stéphane Payrard wrote:
> On (14/11/02 16:21), Garrett Goebel wrote:
> > Stéphane Payrard wrote:
> > >
> > > But when we say literal array, do we talk about the representation
> > > or the value?
> >
> > The representation of a fixed value.
> >
> > If a literal is the representation of a constan
Hey Damian...
What is the expected output of this:
my $x = 0|1; my $xsum = 0; my $xmean;
my $y = 0|1;
my $z = $x * $y; my $zsum = 0; my $zmean;
$xsum += $x.pick for 1..1000;
$xmean = $xsum / 1000;
print "Expected value of \$x is $xmean\n";
$zsum = $z.pick for 1..1000;
$zmean =
On Thursday, November 14, 2002, at 11:12 PM, Piers Cawley wrote:
That's not actually what I meant. You use TODO blocks in your test
scripts, like this:
TODO: {
local $TODO = "Not yet implemented";
ok( foo(), $test_name );
is( foo(42), 23
--- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> e.g.
>
> I can force all variables starting with 'A' to be constant .
> now 'A' is special sigil .
>
> ( can I ??? )
> ( probably this is something perl should avoid somehow )
And by extension, you can force all variables starting with 'hwpstr' to
be a certain
--- Piers Cawley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I wonder what would happen if you had a junction of
> continuations. Producing something practical is left as an exercise
> for the interested reader.
Isn't this effectively "paste(1)" ?
That is,
my $outfh = all(@input_handles);
while (<$outfh>) pr
Gopal V wrote:
If memory serves me right, Leopold Toetsch wrote:
Yep, you are right - I did miss this point sometimes. We have to do a
_save_registers before calling code, that might throw an exception.
Excuse me for butting in ... But how are the parameters to a C code being
passed .. I ass
- first chunk of last JIT patch was not really testing for signed range
(reverted)
- mapped registers are now ebx,edi,esi,edx. The first 3 are callee
saved. Prior ecx was used, which was only by chance not failing in
tests, which used shift operations, because, when shifting a register
mapped t
On Sun, Oct 06, 2002 at 10:26:23PM +0100, Tim Bunce wrote:
> On Wed, Oct 02, 2002 at 12:28:57PM -0400, Dan Sugalski wrote:
> > At 12:15 PM +0100 10/2/02, Tim Bunce wrote:
> > >On a related note, are there any good tools for static code analysis
> > >around? The usual cross-reference stuff would be
Larry Wall <> writes:
>
> It would be really funny to use cent ¢, pound £, or yen ¥ as a
> sigil, though...
>
> > C'mon, everybody's doing it! First one's free, kid... ;-)
>
> People who believe slippery slope arguments should never go skiing.
>
just (re)reading *old* threads :
If memory serves me right, Leopold Toetsch wrote:
> Yep, you are right - I did miss this point sometimes. We have to do a
> _save_registers before calling code, that might throw an exception.
Excuse me for butting in ... But how are the parameters to a C code being
passed .. I assume that would u
Luke Palmer writes:
>
> for parallel(<>, 0..Inf) -> $line, $count {
> FIRST { $line //= "#!/usr/bin/perl" }
> # processing...
> NEXT { print STDERR "Next line...\n" }
> LAST { print STDERR "Done\n" }
> }
>
>
> Also, keep in mind that that C function can be any (p
Dave Whipp writes:
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> > Dave Whipp writes:
> > >
> > > You can rename the types if you want; but properties are a better
> > > representation of constraints than type names: more precise, and more
> > > flexible.
> > >
> >
> > but types *are* properties
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Dave Whipp writes:
>
> You can rename the types if you want; but properties are a better
> representation of constraints than type names: more precise, and more
> flexible.
>
but types *are* properties .
arcadi
True :-(
But I think my examples somehow withst
Piers Cawley wrote:
I'm not arguing that the unit tests themselves shouldn't carry
documentation, but that documentation (if there is any) should be
aimed at the perl6 developer.
Depends what you mean by "perl6 developer": is that the internals
people, or the lucky user?
Unit tests should be
Steve Fink wrote:
I replied to ticket #16941 a while back but I don't think I had RT
actually send any mail to anybody. Anyone have an opinion on the patch
I put in it? (I'm trying to clean out some local changes so I can
apply other people's patches more easily.)
Thanks.
I don't like it very
Dave Whipp writes:
>
> You can rename the types if you want; but properties are a better
> representation of constraints than type names: more precise, and more
> flexible.
>
but types *are* properties .
arcadi
Michael Lazzaro wrote:
Does someone from internals want to take on the task of finalizing this
list? We need to decide if we want to support none, some, or all of
these types/aliases.
-
The Full List of Numeric Types
In addition to the standard int and num, there are a great number of
Dave Whipp writes:
> Richard Nuttall wrote:
>
> > How about
> >
> > my $a = 256:192.169.34.76;
> > my $b = $a.base(10);
> > my $c = '34:13.23.0.1.23.45'.base(16);
>
> This coupling makes me nervous. A number is a number: its value is not
> effected by its representation.
>
> I can
Richard Nuttall wrote:
How about
my $a = 256:192.169.34.76;
my $b = $a.base(10);
my $c = '34:13.23.0.1.23.45'.base(16);
This coupling makes me nervous. A number is a number: its value is not
effected by its representation.
I can see that, in some scripts, it might be useful to define a prope
On Thu, 14 Nov 2002, Luke Palmer wrote:
> > The blocks below the given get evaluated under the following
> > conditions
>
> > all: $falsecount == 0
> > any: $truecount > 0
> > some: $falsecount > 0
> > none: $truecount == 0
> >
> > So anyway, "none" replaces the old "default" option, and the
On Thu, 14 Nov 2002, Luke Palmer wrote:
> > Mailing-List: contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]; run by ezmlm
> > Date: Fri, 15 Nov 2002 07:37:51 +1100 (EST)
> > From: "Timothy S. Nelson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > Sender: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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> >
On Thu, 14 Nov 2002, Ken Fox wrote:
> Andy Wardley wrote:
>
> > Can we overload + in Perl 6 to work as both numeric addition
> > and string concatenation ...
>
> Isn't there some nifty Unicode operator perl6 could enlist? ;)
>
> How about concatenating adjacent operands? ANSI C does this
> with
On Thu, 14 Nov 2002, Jonathan Scott Duff wrote:
> On Fri, Nov 15, 2002 at 07:05:26AM +1100, Timothy S. Nelson wrote:
> > --
> > given ($this) {
> > when $that_happens { "Have a party" }
> > when $that_doesnt_happen { "Sing" }
> >
"Dave Whipp" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> "Chromatic" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> Advantages of inline tests:
>> - close to the documentation
>> - one place to update
>> - harder for people to update docs without finding code
>
> Plus, it gives us a mechanism to validate example-code
> within d
David Wheeler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> On Monday, November 11, 2002, at 02:32 PM, Joseph F. Ryan wrote:
>
>> -Things that are currently unimplemented in P6C are in the TODO
>> folder, per
>> David Wheeler's suggestion.
>
> That's not actually what I meant. You use TODO blocks in your test
>
Richard Nuttall <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> In a previous life, I worked as part of a team (implementing Expert
> Systems in VAX Pascal actually), and we had one person whose sole aim
> in life was to design and build test cases. In many cases his complete
> lack of knowledge of implementation de
I wonder what would happen if you had a junction of
continuations. Producing something practical is left as an exercise
for the interested reader.
--
Piers
"It is a truth universally acknowledged that a language in
possession of a rich syntax must be in need of a rewrite."
-- Jan
Damian Conway <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> Luke Palmer asked:
>
>> When junctions collapse,
>
> Sigh, not another one of those dreadful reality TV shows:
>
> When animals attack
> When drivers collide
> When junctions collapse
>
> Next we'll get:
>
> When mailing lists exp
Jonathan Scott Duff writes:
> Maybe I'm just wired wrong, but Inf is the same size as Inf (since
> they are the same "value") To me "Inf" is a textual representation of
> a value that's larger than all other values. So ...
>
> Inf == Inf # true
false , but all( (0..Inf) ^[
Damian Conway writes:
> Micholas Clarke asked:
>
> > If a subroutine explicitly needs access to its invocant's topic, what is so
> > wrong with having an explicit read-write parameter in the argument list that
> > the caller of the subroutine is expected to put $_ in?
>
> Absolutely nothin
Chromatic wrote:
I'm prepared to start checking in Perl 6 tests on behalf of the Perl 6
documentation folks. These should be considered functional tests -- they are
exploring the behavior we expect from Perl 6. Anything that's not yet
implemented will be marked as a TODO test, and we'll figure o
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