people
show up with patches where the solution was just add threading to the
back-end here... which might seem completely reasonable to someone
new--but it will never get committed.
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code out
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that boring stuff. I tried to make
it automate the most tedious parts of both development and patch
review. Documentation and the program itself are at the git repo Kevin
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when it decides you need to
build, so it can try to do the right thing in either case. My hope was
that anyone who tried peg out would find it a net positive time savings
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Magnus Hagander wrote:
ftp://ftp.ora.com/pub/examples/nutshell/ujip/doc/cjk.inf
in charset.sgml, detailed info about some charsets. Do we just remove
this? Anybody know if similar info is available elsewhere?
Now http://examples.oreilly.com/cjkvinfo/doc/cjk.inf
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of memory will be thrown around:
pgbench -i -s 10 db
pgbench -S -c 10 -T 600 db
That will do just SELECT statements against a much smaller database
(about 160MB) and will run for 10 minutes each time.
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development is going to wait for if it
doesn't get finished up before the CommitFest is over. You're basically
at Magnus's mercy though, if he wants to dedicate enough time to get it
done that certainly can happen.
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suggestion's for rewording.
I linked to both of those messages in the CF app, labeled as notes the
committer might want to consider, but that the patch hasn't been updated
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. There's only one bit that sticks out oddly now:
+ Note: The commandinitdb/command might be invoked by
+ commandpg_ctl initdb/command and commandinitdb/command cannot be in
+ default path on a productnamePostgreSQL/productname installations.
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Robert Haas wrote:
On a related note, Greg Smith requested a state called Discussing
Review, which would logically follow Needs Review and precede
Waiting for Author/Ready for Committer/Returned with Feedback.
I'm not altogether convinced of the value of that state, but I'm not
altogether
we had some corrupted pages (//ERROR/: /compressed data/
is corrupt/).
Random segfaults only under heavy load with corrupted pages afterwards
normally means bad RAM. I'd suggest a round of memtest86+ on the system
if it's PC hardware.
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patch than to make it wait
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link above, and at
http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/cvsweb.cgi/ports/devel/gettext/ Even Solaris
aims to be compatible with the GNU version as of 2004.
I think http://www.gnu.org/software/gettext/ is the appropriate new link
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input here beyond that offered by the patch author, who's obviously
qualified but at the end of the day is still only one opinion. He's also
not in a good position to tell other people their ideas are misinformed
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you have are text logs around (split on
: then =). It might be too compressed down for some tastes though.
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=1 width=4)
Which seems to be what was being emulated here. I though that was
pretty reasonable given this is a related feature.
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implementation that's used pretty often
by developers here named dbt-2: http://wiki.postgresql.org/wiki/DBT-2
that will work with a newer version.
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a mistake--if you want to hack on the
PostgreSQL code, you should be using at least PostgreSQL 8.4, and it's
better still to checkout from the CVS/git repos.
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Itagaki Takahiro wrote:
Greg Smith g...@2ndquadrant.com wrote:
-Not sure if this should be named pg_stat_rest_global (to match the way
these are called global stats in the source) or
pg_stat_reset_cluster. Picked the former for V1, not attached to that
decision at all. Might even make
). This will leave some time for their authors to
respond to feedback before we close up here, and of course we still have
one more CommitFest left for patches that are returned with feedback to
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Itagaki Takahiro wrote:
Greg Smith g...@2ndquadrant.com wrote:
I'm thinking that I should rename this new function
to pg_stat_reset_bgwriter so it's obvious how limited its target is.
I don't think it is a good name because we might have another cluster-level
statictics not related
of
implementation rather than specific functional bits, I'm leaning toward
saying this one is ready to have a committer look at it. Any comments
from Kevin or Andres about where this is at?
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, so that
the rest of the partitioning patch ideas floating around finally have a
firm place to start attaching to.
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an improvement. Consider me a neutral vote, although I suspect the
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a committer willing to chew on it. I think those are the
main hurdles left for this patch.
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obvious none of our other reviewers are going to be able to do anything
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worked out and it could turn into a useful feature--I know I've wanted
NOTIFY with a payload for a years.
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it's less likely to be rejected
for the code is ugly reasons if that's done first. That sort of
rejection is always a real possibility with this project, particularly
for something like this where it's not as obvious to everyone what the
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Since this whole patch is basically a cut and paste job of code that was
already there, I don't really expect it to need much discussion beyond
these minor points; wouldn't have sent it in the middle of an active
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it only mentions
version numbers that are historical rather than future.
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, the two examples you gave are certainly good for showing
the standard practices used here. Specific version numbers are strewn
all about, and if there's commits mentioning 8.5 already in there one
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that we didn't even get to the last time, because
showstopper issues popped up first. That problem was looming had work
continued down that path though.
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The pre-upgrade utility we've been talking about does (2), and that's
easy to imagine implementing as an add-on module rather than a
backport. I don't know how (1) can be done in a way such that it's
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There's no reason the associated catalog support had to ship with the old
version. You can always modify the catalog after initdb, but before running
the pre-upgrade utility. pg_migrator might make
and the bugs they might run into aren't that
serious. This is not the case at all for either 7.4 or 8.0, which have
been completely indefensible as versions to consider deploying for quite
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distant future for a platform that integrates 8.4
from day one; I didn't think that deploying RHEL5 was going to be the
only choice for too much longer.
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Greg Smith g...@2ndquadrant.com writes:
What I was trying to suggest was that right now, there are situations
where a new deployment on 8.1 is still completely reasonable and
possible to justify in the Enterprise Linux space, whereas I don't know
of any situation where 7.4
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can dial up its intensity to exactly how much overhead you can stand,
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, it was on the edge of that before you started--and these two new
commands are by far the most complicated.
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skewed-acct.pl
Description: Perl program
\set naccounts
available since shortly
after their respective creation dates, I'm not sure what one could
criticize about them as an information source in this area.
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Done. (vacuum-full_20091130.patch)
Is this ready for a committer now? Not sure whether Jeff intends to
re-review here or not, given that the suggestions and their fixes were
pretty straightforward. It looks pretty solid at this point to me.
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COPY target FROM FUNCTION foo() WITH RECORDS;
In what format would the records be?
What was your intended internal format for this form to process?
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if we want to shorten the whole
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the result
through the same basic code path as WITH RECORDS, so having both
available shouldn't increase the size of the implementation that much.
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for 8.5--but only if
everyone is clear on exactly what direction to push toward. I'm going
to reread the history here myself and see if I can write something
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is accepted as
a reasonable one, as Dan suggested a next step might even be to
similarly allow passing COPY FROM through a UDF, which has the potential
to provide a new efficient implementation path for some of the custom
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in terms of the new
function interface, which has the potential to make the COPY
implementation cleaner rather than more cluttered (as long as the
performance doesn't suffer).
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I don't have a good overview over how many platforms would be affected
The anniversary of this thread is a few days early:
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fit together than it should be. I started cleaning that up with
refreshing http://wiki.postgresql.org/wiki/CommitFest , which is
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you're doing performance testing. The asserts slow things down enough
(particularly with large shared_buffers values) to skew performance
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had the
ability to test DTrace code in the first round. I'd welcome a review
volunteer who is looking to play with DTrace to take a look at either or
both patches. If that doesn't happen, eventually I'll just review them
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part here remains finding reviewers for the really
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synchronous behavior; you have to
pick one. The best you can do if you need both is work on accelerating
fsync everywhere using the standard battery-backed write cache technique.
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. Those are not so easy to
just split among multiple people due to how they relate to one another.
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Josh Berkus wrote:
On 11/12/09 9:45 AM, Greg Smith wrote:
For lack of a more qualified volunteer, I'll be handling the initial
round of patch assignments and reviewer organization.
Hmmm? Who's more qualified than you, exactly?
I was alluding to the fact that Robert isn't
of them to handle two, that should be all it takes for this round. Will
move the rest of the discussion here to just rrreviewers.
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a case that someone who's gotten skilled
enough as a reviewer to only pass through patches of that quality should
get some recognition even if they didn't write them. That's clearly a
useful subset of the skills needed to commit patches only if they look
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replication nowadays. That's an awful name though,
because it's not true--that's asynchronous replication, just aiming for
minimal lag. It's OK to say that's what you want, but you can't say
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synchronous
thinking it's a shared term also applicable to the semi-synchronous
variations here, that's just going to be confusing for everyone.
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a major design issue in the early 8.4 versions of
SEPostgreSQL, and that as you say you've been working on that. I'm not
sure what relationship there is between those two today though, or
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Fujii Masao wrote:
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Right, those are the possibilities, all four of them have valid use cases in
the field and are worth implementing. I don't like the label
semi-synchronous replication myself, but it's a valuable
for clarifying
where things are at.
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capabilities. I seriously doubt you're going to find a new committer
jumping right in by committing hot standby out of the gate just because
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On Tue, Nov 10, 2009 at 10:40 PM, Greg Smith gsm...@gregsmith.com wrote:
I was just poking around on the Wiki, and it looks like the role of the
CommitFest manager isn't very well documented yet.
It's pretty straightforward. Robert has actually done a great
that, but this one looks smaller and with more familiar patches
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of the schedule for 8.5 on the
Wiki itself. Could you find some time this week to rattle off an outline
of the work involved? It's hard to decide whether to volunteer to help
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against a more stable version like 8.4.1, if you must
target something people can also deploy, but even that's not ideal and
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Python code as people submit bug reports with those. You might be
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of this
discussion, this is the point where someone pops up and says that
switching to XML for the postgresql.conf will solve this problem.
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this is not trivial to do well.
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patch anyway, we can bikeshed more after it's been
submitted. One file per GUC is certainly never going to fly though, it's
been hard enough getting people to accept going from one file to more than
one.
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conference!
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plan to work.
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for the painful parts. I wish I could share all of the
postgresql.conf files I've seen so you could better appreciate how people
torture the poor file in the field.
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make a path where new users who don't ask for anything special get a setup
that's easy for tools to work on, while not completely deprecating the old
approach for those who want it--but you have to ask for it.
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a solution to this problem that handles any sort of way users
can mess with the configuration. One might even make a case that this
tool should get run just after every time the server starts successfully.
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in alphabetical order.
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that. This is easy to handle by hand, but hard to get a
program to do in a way that satisfies what everyone is looking for.
Raising the bar for tool-assisted changes (and I'm including SET
PERSISTENT in that category) like that is one reason so few such tools
have been written.
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in the default configuration
less objectionable.
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it just
encourages argument. The goal here is to add flexibility and ways people
can choose to work with the configuration, not to replace what's being
done now outright with an approach everyone must adopt.
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