Oleg Bartunov o...@sai.msu.su writes:
I and Teodor have several small, but useful patches for text search:
...
We would like to have your opinion what to do with these patches - leave them
for 8.5 or provide them to hackers to review for 8.4.
I think the general consensus is that these were
On Wednesday 25 March 2009 23:17:41 Robert Haas wrote:
With respect to this item:
Disable appending of the epoch date/time when '%' escapes are missing
in log_filename (Robert Haas)
I might suggest explaining it this way:
This change makes it easier to use PostgreSQL in conjunction with an
Robert Haas wrote:
OK, I am all wet. I now understand why the editing is the
time-consuming part of this job. On the plus side it is probably
possible to parallelize it to some degree by splitting the list into N
pieces after the remove insignificant items step.
With respect to this item:
Tom Lane wrote:
Robert Haas robertmh...@gmail.com writes:
OK, I am all wet. I now understand why the editing is the
time-consuming part of this job. On the plus side it is probably
possible to parallelize it to some degree by splitting the list into N
pieces after the remove
Josh Berkus wrote:
All,
In any case, the release notes aren't normally a bottleneck. I still
think that Bruce had his priorities out of whack in not cleaning up
his open-items list before doing this. If he had done so, nobody
would have noticed how long the notes took.
Yes,
Tom Lane wrote:
Josh Berkus j...@agliodbs.com writes:
Yes, although Bruce *has* asked for help in cleaning up the open-items list.
I spent several hours on that on Saturday, and more or less got the bird
in response... the way Bruce has that page set up, only he can do any
actual item
On Thu, Mar 26, 2009 at 8:31 PM, Bruce Momjian br...@momjian.us wrote:
Josh Berkus wrote:
All,
In any case, the release notes aren't normally a bottleneck. I still
think that Bruce had his priorities out of whack in not cleaning up
his open-items list before doing this. If he had done
Robert Haas wrote:
On Thu, Mar 26, 2009 at 8:31 PM, Bruce Momjian br...@momjian.us wrote:
Josh Berkus wrote:
All,
In any case, the release notes aren't normally a bottleneck. ?I still
think that Bruce had his priorities out of whack in not cleaning up
his open-items list before
Robert Haas wrote:
On Thu, Mar 26, 2009 at 8:31 PM, Bruce Momjian br...@momjian.us wrote:
Josh Berkus wrote:
All,
In any case, the release notes aren't normally a bottleneck. ?I still
think that Bruce had his priorities out of whack in not cleaning up
his open-items list before
Robert Haas wrote:
On Thu, Mar 26, 2009 at 9:28 PM, Bruce Momjian br...@momjian.us wrote:
At this point I think we are just trying to get a list of items that
need to be done before we can release beta. ?Very little, if anything,
should be getting added to that list at this point.
You
On Thu, Mar 26, 2009 at 9:35 PM, Bruce Momjian br...@momjian.us wrote:
Robert Haas wrote:
On Thu, Mar 26, 2009 at 8:31 PM, Bruce Momjian br...@momjian.us wrote:
Josh Berkus wrote:
All,
In any case, the release notes aren't normally a bottleneck. ?I still
think that Bruce had his
Robert Haas wrote:
On Thu, Mar 26, 2009 at 8:30 PM, Bruce Momjian br...@momjian.us wrote:
Tom Lane wrote:
Robert Haas robertmh...@gmail.com writes:
OK, I am all wet. ?I now understand why the editing is the
time-consuming part of this job. ?On the plus side it is probably
possible to
On Thu, Mar 26, 2009 at 9:28 PM, Bruce Momjian br...@momjian.us wrote:
At this point I think we are just trying to get a list of items that
need to be done before we can release beta. Very little, if anything,
should be getting added to that list at this point.
You can say that, but things
On Thu, Mar 26, 2009 at 8:30 PM, Bruce Momjian br...@momjian.us wrote:
Tom Lane wrote:
Robert Haas robertmh...@gmail.com writes:
OK, I am all wet. I now understand why the editing is the
time-consuming part of this job. On the plus side it is probably
possible to parallelize it to some
David E. Wheeler wrote:
On Mar 24, 2009, at 9:41 AM, Bruce Momjian wrote:
So far taking the CVS logs and making a list of only the items we want
for the release notes took one day; researching and rewording the
items
so they are ready for the release notes took five days; grouping
OK, I am all wet. I now understand why the editing is the
time-consuming part of this job. On the plus side it is probably
possible to parallelize it to some degree by splitting the list into N
pieces after the remove insignificant items step.
With respect to this item:
Disable appending of the
Robert Haas robertmh...@gmail.com writes:
OK, I am all wet. I now understand why the editing is the
time-consuming part of this job. On the plus side it is probably
possible to parallelize it to some degree by splitting the list into N
pieces after the remove insignificant items step.
The
All,
In any case, the release notes aren't normally a bottleneck. I still
think that Bruce had his priorities out of whack in not cleaning up
his open-items list before doing this. If he had done so, nobody
would have noticed how long the notes took.
Yes, although Bruce *has* asked for help
Josh Berkus j...@agliodbs.com writes:
Yes, although Bruce *has* asked for help in cleaning up the open-items list.
I spent several hours on that on Saturday, and more or less got the bird
in response... the way Bruce has that page set up, only he can do any
actual item removal, the rest of us
Robert Haas wrote:
On Sat, Mar 21, 2009 at 12:55 PM, Joshua D. Drake j...@commandprompt.com
wrote:
Robert, ?this has been discussed many times before, and most people agree
with
you, but Bruce doesn't. I think the ony way this will change is if someone
takes on the role of release
On Mar 24, 2009, at 9:41 AM, Bruce Momjian wrote:
So far taking the CVS logs and making a list of only the items we want
for the release notes took one day; researching and rewording the
items
so they are ready for the release notes took five days; grouping them
into sections and
On Fri, Mar 20, 2009 at 11:59 PM, Bruce Momjian br...@momjian.us wrote:
Robert Haas wrote:
I personally think that the way pgsql-hackers organizes itself using
email is completely insane. The only reason that you need to write
the release notes instead of, say, me, is because the only
Robert Haas wrote:
Oh, I'm not objecting to email as a way of communicating. I think a
bug tracking system or web forums would increase the amount of effort
required to keep up to date on what is going on, and I can't imagine
what the corresponding advantage would be. What I don't like is
On Saturday 21 March 2009 09:04:12 Robert Haas wrote:
On Fri, Mar 20, 2009 at 11:59 PM, Bruce Momjian br...@momjian.us wrote:
Robert Haas wrote:
snip
My concern with the list of outstanding items for 8.4 based on a quick
look is that I think many of those things are not, in fact,
outstanding
On Sat, 2009-03-21 at 12:02 -0400, Robert Treat wrote:
On Saturday 21 March 2009 09:04:12 Robert Haas wrote:
On Fri, Mar 20, 2009 at 11:59 PM, Bruce Momjian br...@momjian.us wrote:
Robert Haas wrote:
snip
My concern with the list of outstanding items for 8.4 based on a quick
look is
On Sat, Mar 21, 2009 at 12:55 PM, Joshua D. Drake j...@commandprompt.com
wrote:
Robert, this has been discussed many times before, and most people agree
with
you, but Bruce doesn't. I think the ony way this will change is if someone
takes on the role of release notes manager, subscrbes to
On Tuesday 17 March 2009 09:38:59 Bruce Momjian wrote:
You are assuming that only commit-fest work is required to get us to
beta. You might remember the long list of open items I faced in January
that I have whittled down, but I still have about twenty left.
I think part of the perception of
Robert Treat wrote:
On Tuesday 17 March 2009 09:38:59 Bruce Momjian wrote:
You are assuming that only commit-fest work is required to get us to
beta. You might remember the long list of open items I faced in January
that I have whittled down, but I still have about twenty left.
I
On Tue, Mar 17, 2009 at 09:38:59AM -0400, Bruce Momjian wrote:
Robert Haas wrote:
Well, we have been working on stuff for the past month so it was not
like we were waiting on SE-PG to move forward.
Stuff related to the CommitFest?
AFAICS, the only committer who has done any
Bruce Momjian br...@momjian.us writes:
Robert Treat wrote:
... Perhaps we
need to take a fresh look at your list of twenty things and see what can be
delegated out to others.
Yep, I agree. The problem is that last time I put out a list that
wasn't clensed I got a lot of compaints so I
On Fri, Mar 20, 2009 at 10:34 AM, Bruce Momjian br...@momjian.us wrote:
Robert Treat wrote:
On Tuesday 17 March 2009 09:38:59 Bruce Momjian wrote:
You are assuming that only commit-fest work is required to get us to
beta. You might remember the long list of open items I faced in January
Robert Haas wrote:
Similarly, the only reason we don't have a workable TODO list is
because you're attempting to extract it from a disorganized jumble of
email after the fact, instead of maintaining it publicly and adding
and removing items along the way. It might be slightly more work to
think
Robert Haas escribió:
I personally think that the way pgsql-hackers organizes itself using
email is completely insane.
Note that during the 8.4 timeframe we've stolen a lot of work from
Bruce. The TODO list was moved to the wiki, for one; the patch queue
was also moved to the wiki. Now the
This is about the reaction I expected, and is again so far off the mark
that I will just continue doing what I think is best.
Why doesn't someone offer to take my mbox file and generate a list from
that?
---
Robert Haas
Alvaro Herrera wrote:
Robert Haas escribi?:
I personally think that the way pgsql-hackers organizes itself using
email is completely insane.
Note that during the 8.4 timeframe we've stolen a lot of work from
Bruce. The TODO list was moved to the wiki, for one; the patch queue
was also
Bruce Momjian escribió:
Alvaro Herrera wrote:
Note that during the 8.4 timeframe we've stolen a lot of work from
Bruce. The TODO list was moved to the wiki, for one; the patch queue
was also moved to the wiki. Now the FAQ has moved to wiki (and has
already seen lots of improvement, so
Alvaro Herrera wrote:
Bruce Momjian escribi?:
Alvaro Herrera wrote:
Note that during the 8.4 timeframe we've stolen a lot of work from
Bruce. The TODO list was moved to the wiki, for one; the patch queue
was also moved to the wiki. Now the FAQ has moved to wiki (and has
already
Bruce Momjian escribió:
Alvaro Herrera wrote:
Bruce Momjian escribi?:
We do have an alternative open items list,
http://wiki.postgresql.org/wiki/PostgreSQL_8.4_Open_Items
However, it's incomplete. It is a bit sad that nobody can complete it,
because Bruce has taken pgpatches
Alvaro Herrera wrote:
Bruce Momjian escribi?:
Alvaro Herrera wrote:
Bruce Momjian escribi?:
We do have an alternative open items list,
http://wiki.postgresql.org/wiki/PostgreSQL_8.4_Open_Items
However, it's incomplete. It is a bit sad that nobody can complete
it,
On Fri, Mar 20, 2009 at 1:08 PM, Heikki Linnakangas
heikki.linnakan...@enterprisedb.com wrote:
The TODO list is already on the Wiki. I've edited it a few times when I've
spotted TODO-worthy ideas on the mailing lists.
Well, Bruce and Tom both made reference to something that Bruce was
going to
On Fri, Mar 20, 2009 at 1:08 PM, Alvaro Herrera
alvhe...@commandprompt.com wrote:
I personally think that the way pgsql-hackers organizes itself using
email is completely insane.
Note that during the 8.4 timeframe we've stolen a lot of work from
Bruce. The TODO list was moved to the wiki, for
Robert Haas escribió:
I don't even understand why we're interested in doing this. If the
patches weren't important enough for someone to add them to the
CommitFest wiki in October, why are we delaying the release to hunt
for them in March?
The problem is not patches that were not committed,
On Fri, Mar 20, 2009 at 1:10 PM, Bruce Momjian br...@momjian.us wrote:
This is about the reaction I expected, and is again so far off the mark
that I will just continue doing what I think is best.
Would you like to explain WHY it's off the mark?
Why doesn't someone offer to take my mbox file
Robert Haas escribió:
On Fri, Mar 20, 2009 at 1:40 PM, Alvaro Herrera
alvhe...@commandprompt.com wrote:
Robert Haas escribió:
I don't even understand why we're interested in doing this. If the
patches weren't important enough for someone to add them to the
CommitFest wiki in October,
On Fri, Mar 20, 2009 at 3:13 PM, Alvaro Herrera
alvhe...@commandprompt.com wrote:
Robert Haas escribió:
On Fri, Mar 20, 2009 at 1:40 PM, Alvaro Herrera
alvhe...@commandprompt.com wrote:
Robert Haas escribió:
I don't even understand why we're interested in doing this. If the
patches
Robert Haas wrote:
Of course, if this list is radically incomplete, then it doesn't help
much, but does anyone think that's the case?
We don't know -- Bruce's list may contain something, but since it's
hidden we can't do anything. ?Maybe it is all already-completed items,
or redundant
On Fri, Mar 20, 2009 at 3:23 PM, Bruce Momjian br...@momjian.us wrote:
I did offer to post my mbox file so people could see what I have as open
8.4 items, but the no complaining requirement seems to have eliminated
volunteers.
IIRC, the biggest problem we had last time (apart from the
Robert Haas wrote:
On Fri, Mar 20, 2009 at 3:23 PM, Bruce Momjian br...@momjian.us wrote:
I did offer to post my mbox file so people could see what I have as open
8.4 items, but the no complaining requirement seems to have eliminated
volunteers.
IIRC, the biggest problem we had last time
On Fri, Mar 20, 2009 at 3:50 PM, Bruce Momjian br...@momjian.us wrote:
You can use my emails to make a master list --- there is no need to make
mine the master.
OK, good enough. Can you post a link to the raw mbox file?
...Robert
--
Sent via pgsql-hackers mailing list
Robert Haas wrote:
On Fri, Mar 20, 2009 at 3:50 PM, Bruce Momjian br...@momjian.us wrote:
You can use my emails to make a master list --- there is no need to make
mine the master.
OK, good enough. Can you post a link to the raw mbox file?
OK, done:
On Fri, Mar 20, 2009 at 4:03 PM, Bruce Momjian br...@momjian.us wrote:
Robert Haas wrote:
On Fri, Mar 20, 2009 at 3:50 PM, Bruce Momjian br...@momjian.us wrote:
You can use my emails to make a master list --- there is no need to make
mine the master.
OK, good enough. Can you post a link
On Fri, 2009-03-20 at 16:03 -0400, Robert Haas wrote:
On Fri, Mar 20, 2009 at 4:03 PM, Bruce Momjian br...@momjian.us wrote:
Robert Haas wrote:
On Fri, Mar 20, 2009 at 3:50 PM, Bruce Momjian br...@momjian.us wrote:
You can use my emails to make a master list --- there is no need to make
On Fri, Mar 20, 2009 at 4:06 PM, Joshua D. Drake j...@commandprompt.com wrote:
On Fri, 2009-03-20 at 16:03 -0400, Robert Haas wrote:
On Fri, Mar 20, 2009 at 4:03 PM, Bruce Momjian br...@momjian.us wrote:
Robert Haas wrote:
On Fri, Mar 20, 2009 at 3:50 PM, Bruce Momjian br...@momjian.us
On Fri, Mar 20, 2009 at 1:40 PM, Alvaro Herrera
alvhe...@commandprompt.com wrote:
Robert Haas escribió:
I don't even understand why we're interested in doing this. If the
patches weren't important enough for someone to add them to the
CommitFest wiki in October, why are we delaying the
Alvaro Herrera wrote:
Bruce Momjian escribi?:
Alvaro Herrera wrote:
Note that during the 8.4 timeframe we've stolen a lot of work from
Bruce. The TODO list was moved to the wiki, for one; the patch queue
was also moved to the wiki. Now the FAQ has moved to wiki (and has
already
Robert Haas wrote:
I personally think that the way pgsql-hackers organizes itself using
email is completely insane. The only reason that you need to write
the release notes instead of, say, me, is because the only information
on what needs to go into them is buried in a thicket of CVS commit
On Tuesday 17 March 2009 18:00:57 Robert Haas wrote:
Basically, for the project to grow, it needs more committers, and the
precondition for being added as a committer should be a promise to
spend a certain amount of time reviewing and committing patches other
than your own. According to the
Robert Haas wrote:
Well, we have been working on stuff for the past month so it was not
like we were waiting on SE-PG to move forward.
Stuff related to the CommitFest?
AFAICS, the only committer who has done any significant review or
committing of patches in the last month is Heikki,
You are assuming that only commit-fest work is required to get us to
beta. You might remember the long list of open items I faced in January
that I have whittled down, but I still have about twenty left.
Tom has done work fixing optimizer bugs introduced in 8.4. I have had
EnterpriseDB
Robert Haas wrote:
You are assuming that only commit-fest work is required to get us to
beta. ?You might remember the long list of open items I faced in January
that I have whittled down, but I still have about twenty left.
Tom has done work fixing optimizer bugs introduced in 8.4. ?I
It's not like my opinion has any weight but still,
On Tuesday 17 March 2009 16:15:21 Robert Haas wrote:
either make the release happen on time, or we can get all of the
patches reviewed, but we can only do both if the committers have the
time and energy to make that happen. Do you disagree?
On Tue, Mar 17, 2009 at 11:18 AM, Bruce Momjian br...@momjian.us wrote:
Robert Haas wrote:
You are assuming that only commit-fest work is required to get us to
beta. ?You might remember the long list of open items I faced in January
that I have whittled down, but I still have about twenty
Hi there,
I and Teodor have several small, but useful patches for text search:
1. Support of filtering dictionaries and unaccent dictionary/function.
This is often requested feature, which solves, for example,
problem with correct headlines for text with accents.
See example and docs
Oleg Bartunov o...@sai.msu.su writes:
We would like to have your opinion what to do with these patches - leave them
for 8.5 or provide them to hackers to review for 8.4.
In theory 8.5, though you wouldn't be the first to start sneaking in late
commits and given how long before the release I
Gregory Stark st...@enterprisedb.com writes:
I think it's clear that stretching feature freezes is a failed policy.
Yeah, it's the same old same old --- once again, we've bent over
backwards to try to accommodate large patches at the end of a
development cycle. I'm not sure that that's ever
On Mon, Mar 16, 2009 at 8:41 PM, Tom Lane t...@sss.pgh.pa.us wrote:
I'm not sure that that's ever going to stop,
because every time there are people cheerleading for said patches
and insisting that the release will be so much better if we wait
for them.
Well 8.3 was better for having HOT.
On Mar 16, 2009, at 1:41 PM, Tom Lane wrote:
A saner policy would mandate that large patches land near the start of
a development cycle, but I don't know how we get people to do that.
I think that if you can strictly time-limit the final CommitFest in
the same way that you time-limit the
On Mon, Mar 16, 2009 at 04:41:29PM -0400, Tom Lane wrote:
Gregory Stark st...@enterprisedb.com writes:
I think it's clear that stretching feature freezes is a failed
policy.
Yeah, it's the same old same old --- once again, we've bent over
backwards to try to accommodate large patches at
David E. Wheeler wrote:
On Mar 16, 2009, at 1:41 PM, Tom Lane wrote:
A saner policy would mandate that large patches land near the start of
a development cycle, but I don't know how we get people to do that.
I think that if you can strictly time-limit the final CommitFest in the
same way
Hi,
Le 16 mars 09 à 21:41, Tom Lane a écrit :
Gregory Stark st...@enterprisedb.com writes:
I think it's clear that stretching feature freezes is a failed
policy.
A saner policy would mandate that large patches land near the start of
a development cycle, but I don't know how we get people to
On Mon, Mar 16, 2009 at 5:10 PM, Heikki Linnakangas
heikki.linnakan...@enterprisedb.com wrote:
The earlier commitfests were not time-limited either. They lasted until all
the patches were dealt with; either committed or bumped to next commit fest.
It's just that when you know there still at
Robert Haas wrote:
On Mon, Mar 16, 2009 at 5:10 PM, Heikki Linnakangas
heikki.linnakan...@enterprisedb.com wrote:
The earlier commitfests were not time-limited either. They lasted until all
the patches were dealt with; either committed or bumped to next commit fest.
It's just that when you
Heikki Linnakangas heikki.linnakan...@enterprisedb.com writes:
The original plan was that anything not 100% ready to commit at the
beginning of the last commit fest will be bumped to the next release,
and beta would start right after the first commit fest, a week or two
after the submission
On Mon, Mar 16, 2009 at 6:20 PM, Bruce Momjian br...@momjian.us wrote:
Robert Haas wrote:
On Mon, Mar 16, 2009 at 5:10 PM, Heikki Linnakangas
heikki.linnakan...@enterprisedb.com wrote:
The earlier commitfests were not time-limited either. They lasted until all
the patches were dealt with;
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