Re: [Pharo-dev] Ways to do 32-bit arithmetics?

2015-04-03 Thread Andres Valloud
Hang on. It looks like their random number generator is based on a Jenkins' 32 bit hash function* such that the operation is: seed := some initial value. and then Random>>next seed := seed jenkinsHash. ^seed But who said Jenkins' hash function is a good RNG when use

[Pharo-dev] MethodContextTest

2015-04-03 Thread Ben Coman
As I understand it, MethodContext is not more, and now there is only Context. Should MethodContextTest be renamed ContextTest ?

[Pharo-dev] Magritte = Auto-GT Presentation

2015-04-03 Thread Sean P. DeNigris
gtInspectorMagritteIn: composite | table | table := composite table title: 'Magritte'; display: [ self magritteDescription children collect: [ :desc | desc label -> (desc toString: (desc accessor read: self)) ] ];

Re: [Pharo-dev] Pharo 4 Beta, first impressions

2015-04-03 Thread Ben Coman
On Sat, Apr 4, 2015 at 1:26 AM, Sean P. DeNigris wrote: > > IMHO, underneath the windows theme argument is the question of the GUI > > look and feel instability Pharo suffers from one release to another one, > > this ruin a bit the idea of people willing to design desktop > > application[1] with

Re: [Pharo-dev] About PharoShortcuts

2015-04-03 Thread stepharo
Hi nicolai I'm not yet fully clear about the way we should handle keybinding. They look to me a bit like settings in the sense that a widget should be able to define its own but that the system could also "push" into it some predefined one. We should probably have a way to have local redefiniti

[Pharo-dev] Another step towards removing CodeHolder :)

2015-04-03 Thread stepharo
hi guys today guille extended my first cut at writing a new filecontentsbrowser :) now it works so we can remove pseudo-class, filepackage and others :) and we started to define a changelistbrowser. So next sprint we will be able to say bye bye to CodeHolder and the complete hierarchy. Tx Gui

Re: [Pharo-dev] Pharo 4 Beta, first impressions

2015-04-03 Thread Sean P. DeNigris
> IMHO, underneath the windows theme argument is the question of the GUI > look and feel instability Pharo suffers from one release to another one, > this ruin a bit the idea of people willing to design desktop > application[1] with Pharo, where consistency in this department is more > or less

Re: [Pharo-dev] Resizing of the print block (Pharo 4.0)

2015-04-03 Thread Gaurav Singh
Thanks Tudor :) On Fri, Apr 3, 2015 at 10:00 PM, Tudor Girba wrote: > No, the print popup dimension is not changeable at the moment. > > But, Ii you want, you can embed the print string in the Playground by > pressing Enter. > > Cheers, > Doru > > > On Fri, Apr 3, 2015 at 2:31 PM, Gaurav Singh

Re: [Pharo-dev] Can we have basicRaw in GTInspector?

2015-04-03 Thread stepharo
The Playground has inspect on Cmd+Shift+i as requested by you. Ok good to know because this is important. What aboout an help? There is a problem with the update as it does not scale in the current form. Please see the reply of Andrei. We will likely remove that feature for the release.

Re: [Pharo-dev] VM and .sources in separate dirs question

2015-04-03 Thread Dmitri Zagidulin
Do you happen to know how it does it? (I wouldn't know where to look, in the source code). Does it still work if you move the sources to another directory, from your current one? Does Pharo do a whole-disk search every time? (Or just when it doesn't find them?) On Fri, Apr 3, 2015 at 12:00 PM, Max

[Pharo-dev] [Pharo-users] Pharo sprint on Friday, 3rd April

2015-04-03 Thread Dmitri Zagidulin
On Fri, Apr 3, 2015 at 12:41 PM, Martin Bähr < mba...@email.archlab.tuwien.ac.at> wrote: > > nice ideas. though beginners may not have any favourite projects. > are there any stats on which projects are popular so those can be chosen > for > testing? You're right. I think by 'favorite', I meant m

Re: [Pharo-dev] Pharo 4 Beta, first impressions

2015-04-03 Thread Esteban Lorenzano
> On 03 Apr 2015, at 18:46, Hilaire wrote: > > IMHO, underneath the windows theme argument is the question of the GUI > look and feel instability Pharo suffers from one release to another one, > this ruin a bit the idea of people willing to design desktop > application[1] with Pharo, where consi

Re: [Pharo-dev] Pharo 4 Beta, first impressions

2015-04-03 Thread Hilaire
IMHO, underneath the windows theme argument is the question of the GUI look and feel instability Pharo suffers from one release to another one, this ruin a bit the idea of people willing to design desktop application[1] with Pharo, where consistency in this department is more or less needed. In ano

Re: [Pharo-dev] VM and .sources in separate dirs question

2015-04-03 Thread Jigyasa Grover
Thanks for the clarification Max. I had the same doubt :) On Fri, Apr 3, 2015 at 9:30 PM, Max Leske wrote: > > On 03 Apr 2015, at 17:55, Dmitri Zagidulin wrote: > > On Fri, Apr 3, 2015 at 11:49 AM, Max Leske wrote: >> >> > that you can keep the VM and .sources in different directories? How do

Re: [Pharo-dev] [Pharo-users] Pharo sprint on Friday, 3rd April

2015-04-03 Thread Jigyasa Grover
Thanks Dmitri ! Will try to contribute as much as I can :) On Fri, Apr 3, 2015 at 9:58 PM, Dmitri Zagidulin wrote: > Ideas for beginners, for Sprints etc: > > * Adding class comments/documentation, as mentioned, is a fantastic idea. > Maybe we can provide some code snippets, that will bring up a

Re: [Pharo-dev] Resizing of the print block (Pharo 4.0)

2015-04-03 Thread Tudor Girba
No, the print popup dimension is not changeable at the moment. But, Ii you want, you can embed the print string in the Playground by pressing Enter. Cheers, Doru On Fri, Apr 3, 2015 at 2:31 PM, Gaurav Singh wrote: > Is there a way to resize the print block in the playground? Sometimes when >

Re: [Pharo-dev] [Pharo-users] Pharo sprint on Friday, 3rd April

2015-04-03 Thread Dmitri Zagidulin
Ideas for beginners, for Sprints etc: * Adding class comments/documentation, as mentioned, is a fantastic idea. Maybe we can provide some code snippets, that will bring up a list of classes with missing comments (or with too-short comments, less than X characters). People can coordinate (on IRC, o

Re: [Pharo-dev] Brand new modern Spotter design!

2015-04-03 Thread Tudor Girba
I wonder :) Doru On Fri, Apr 3, 2015 at 3:14 PM, Sven Van Caekenberghe wrote: > Maybe the color is an April 1st joke ? > > > On 03 Apr 2015, at 10:30, Tudor Girba wrote: > > > > Universal : > > > > Doru > > > > On Fri, Apr 3, 2015 at 9:47 AM, Stephan Eggermont > wrote: > > On 01/04/15 11:

Re: [Pharo-dev] Pharo 4 Beta, first impressions

2015-04-03 Thread Esteban Lorenzano
yet… while I disagree with the idea of having a “windows” theme (or any platform specific theme), I think it would be cool to have an option to flip the control buttons… that can work as an extension of current theme, not as a different theme. Problem is “who does it”, more than yes or not to h

Re: [Pharo-dev] Pharo 4 Beta, first impressions

2015-04-03 Thread Hilaire
Le 03/04/2015 16:21, Marcus Denker a écrit : > right, we removed W2K already for Pharo3. > > It’s 2015... Still Benoit wrote about users. Do Benoit think about users of a specific Pharo Desktop application? In that case it can have implication upgrading this application to newer Pharo, because des

Re: [Pharo-dev] VM and .sources in separate dirs question

2015-04-03 Thread Max Leske
> On 03 Apr 2015, at 17:55, Dmitri Zagidulin wrote: > > On Fri, Apr 3, 2015 at 11:49 AM, Max Leske > wrote: > > that you can keep the VM and .sources in different directories? How do you > > tell the VM where to locate the sources? > > You don’t. It’s detected autom

Re: [Pharo-dev] VM and .sources in separate dirs question

2015-04-03 Thread Dmitri Zagidulin
On Fri, Apr 3, 2015 at 11:49 AM, Max Leske wrote: > > > that you can keep the VM and .sources in different directories? How do > you tell the VM where to locate the sources? > > You don’t. It’s detected automagically! > Wait, how does it know which .sources file to pick? :) What if there are .sou

Re: [Pharo-dev] Ways to do 32-bit arithmetics?

2015-04-03 Thread Eliot Miranda
Hi Stefan, the point is that the code uses only 32 bits. The java code ands by 16r on each update to seed, and even if that's not necessary because seed is declared as int, it does show that we can discard bits above 3/ after each update. Therefore any use of seed in a left shift

Re: [Pharo-dev] VM and .sources in separate dirs question

2015-04-03 Thread Max Leske
> On 03 Apr 2015, at 16:16, Dmitri Zagidulin wrote: > > While editing an Updated Pharo by Example chapter, I came across this: > > "The '.sources' file and the VM can be read-only, and can be shared between > different users. All of these files can be placed in the same directory, but > it > i

Re: [Pharo-dev] [Vm-dev] Re: Status of Pharo VM for FreeBSD

2015-04-03 Thread Esteban Lorenzano
> On 03 Apr 2015, at 17:27, Andreas Wacknitz wrote: > > > Am 03.04.15 13:39, schrieb Esteban Lorenzano: >> >>> On 03 Apr 2015, at 13:04, Andreas Wacknitz >> > wrote: >>> >>> >>> Am 03.04.15 11:13, schrieb Esteban Lorenzano: > On 02 Apr 2015, at 19:20, Elio

Re: [Pharo-dev] [Vm-dev] Re: Status of Pharo VM for FreeBSD

2015-04-03 Thread Andreas Wacknitz
Am 03.04.15 13:39, schrieb Esteban Lorenzano: On 03 Apr 2015, at 13:04, Andreas Wacknitz > wrote: Am 03.04.15 11:13, schrieb Esteban Lorenzano: On 02 Apr 2015, at 19:20, Eliot Miranda > wrote: Hi Andreas, sorry to be late in

Re: [Pharo-dev] Ways to do 32-bit arithmetics?

2015-04-03 Thread Stefan Marr
Hi Eliot: > On 03 Apr 2015, at 16:47, Eliot Miranda wrote: > > if seed is Andes with 16r when it is initialized then the Java code > can be used to generate the next value and the sign conversion only applied > once to yield the next value. That would eliminate lots of conversions a

Re: [Pharo-dev] Ways to do 32-bit arithmetics?

2015-04-03 Thread Eliot Miranda
Ah, you also need the sign conversion applied to the uses of seed in right shifts, but that's still a simplification. Eliot (phone) On Apr 3, 2015, at 7:15 AM, Stefan Marr wrote: > Hi: > > I am porting some benchmarks to Pharo, which rely on a deterministic random > number generator that use

Re: [Pharo-dev] Ways to do 32-bit arithmetics?

2015-04-03 Thread Eliot Miranda
Hi Stefan, if seed is Andes with 16r when it is initialized then the Java code can be used to generate the next value and the sign conversion only applied once to yield the next value. That would eliminate lots of conversions and make the code readable, right? Eliot (phone) On Ap

Re: [Pharo-dev] Pharo 4 Beta, first impressions

2015-04-03 Thread kilon alios
" It's not as if someone would ask for an OS/2 or a Motif UI theme! There are *LOTS* of people on Windows still !" That is irrelevant really . Thats not how open source works. In open source something maintained or goes in or stays in because someone bothers to code for it. You may get 1 billion

Re: [Pharo-dev] Pharo 4 Beta, first impressions

2015-04-03 Thread Marcus Denker
> On 03 Apr 2015, at 16:19, Hilaire wrote: > > Oh, but wait a minute: W2K was not present in Pharo3, only Vistary was > there, but removed. > right, we removed W2K already for Pharo3. It’s 2015... > Hilaire > > Le 03/04/2015 16:16, Hilaire a écrit : >> Le 03/04/2015 15:56, Benoit St-Jean v

Re: [Pharo-dev] Pharo 4 Beta, first impressions

2015-04-03 Thread Esteban Lorenzano
lot of time ago we decided *not* to pretend imitate any OS L&F, because is first a lot of work, and second a lose of time: they do not fit, and if you want to make them fit for real you need to spend *really* much time there (and you probably will fail anyway). Themes remained there without bei

Re: [Pharo-dev] Pharo 4 Beta, first impressions

2015-04-03 Thread Hilaire
Oh, but wait a minute: W2K was not present in Pharo3, only Vistary was there, but removed. Hilaire Le 03/04/2015 16:16, Hilaire a écrit : > Le 03/04/2015 15:56, Benoit St-Jean via Pharo-dev a écrit : >> I can perfectly understand that "not everything has to be in the >> image" and that, ultimatel

Re: [Pharo-dev] Ways to do 32-bit arithmetics?

2015-04-03 Thread Marcus Denker
There is ThirtyTwoBitRegister “ I represent a 32-bit register. An instance of me can hold any non-negative integer in the range [0..(2^32 - 1)]. Operations are performed on my contents in place, like a hardware register, and results are always modulo 2^32. This class is primarily meant for us

Re: [Pharo-dev] Pharo 4 Beta, first impressions

2015-04-03 Thread Hilaire
Le 03/04/2015 15:56, Benoit St-Jean via Pharo-dev a écrit : > > I can perfectly understand that "not everything has to be in the > image" and that, ultimately, someone has to maintain that code. The > only problem I have with the removal of that theme is that more than > 55% of users are running s

Re: [Pharo-dev] Pharo 4 Beta, first impressions

2015-04-03 Thread Peter Uhnák
If you want to argue about usage, this is probably more appropriate http://strawpoll.me/4001583/r (though Linux numbers are in reallity somewhat lower due to desktop+server) The bottom line is: nobody (from ~third of Pharo users) really cared until now so the options I see: 1. open an issue in Pha

[Pharo-dev] VM and .sources in separate dirs question

2015-04-03 Thread Dmitri Zagidulin
While editing an Updated Pharo by Example chapter, I came across this: "The '.sources' file and the VM can be read-only, and can be shared between different users. All of these files can be placed in the same directory, but it is also possible to put the Virtual Machine and sources file in separat

[Pharo-dev] Ways to do 32-bit arithmetics?

2015-04-03 Thread Stefan Marr
Hi: I am porting some benchmarks to Pharo, which rely on a deterministic random number generator that uses 32 bit values. In order to have properly comparable results across platforms, it needs to generated the same sequence of numbers. So, I am looking for efficient ways to implement it, any

Re: [Pharo-dev] Pharo 4 Beta, first impressions

2015-04-03 Thread Sven Van Caekenberghe
> On 03 Apr 2015, at 15:57, Benoit St-Jean via Pharo-dev > wrote: > > > Date: 3 Apr 2015 15:53:56 CEST > From: Benoit St-Jean > Reply-To: Benoit St-Jean > To: Pharo Development List > Subject: Re: [Pharo-dev] Pharo 4 Beta, first impressions > > > Kilon, > > I can perfectly understand tha

[Pharo-dev] [pharo-project/pharo-core]

2015-04-03 Thread GitHub
Branch: refs/tags/40594 Home: https://github.com/pharo-project/pharo-core

[Pharo-dev] [pharo-project/pharo-core] ad5e24: 40594

2015-04-03 Thread GitHub
Branch: refs/heads/4.0 Home: https://github.com/pharo-project/pharo-core Commit: ad5e24c4e2de21b16deccb51c4876f804d372e97 https://github.com/pharo-project/pharo-core/commit/ad5e24c4e2de21b16deccb51c4876f804d372e97 Author: Jenkins Build Server Date: 2015-04-03 (Fri, 03 Apr 2015

Re: [Pharo-dev] Pharo 4 Beta, first impressions

2015-04-03 Thread Benoit St-Jean via Pharo-dev
--- Begin Message --- Kilon, I can perfectly understand that "not everything has to be in the image" and that, ultimately, someone has to maintain that code.  The only problem I have with the removal of that theme is that more than 55% of users are running some flavor of Windows.  It's not as if

Re: [Pharo-dev] Pharo 4 Beta, first impressions

2015-04-03 Thread Sven Van Caekenberghe
> On 03 Apr 2015, at 14:11, Benoit St-Jean via Pharo-dev > wrote: > > 2) Am I the only one annoyed by the fact that the Collection class still > holds on to 2 class variables (one of them being an instance of Random, the > other a mutex) for the sole purpose of accommodating the #atRandom &

Re: [Pharo-dev] Pharo 4 Beta, first impressions

2015-04-03 Thread kilon alios
"The point is, every piece of code needs to be written and maintained which takes time and energy from other activities." I completely agree with you. I have zero issues of main pharo developers kicking out libraries that are not so much used by pharo users. Those libraries are perfectly capable o

Re: [Pharo-dev] In Debugger: block variables nil

2015-04-03 Thread Peter Uhnák
Hi Stefan, it is a know issue ( https://pharo.fogbugz.com/f/cases/15174/, https://pharo.fogbugz.com/f/cases/14606/ ) and it is currently being worked on. Peter On Fri, Apr 3, 2015 at 3:19 PM, Stefan Marr wrote: > Hi: > > While debugging the beautiful method below, I noticed that the debugger >

[Pharo-dev] In Debugger: block variables nil

2015-04-03 Thread Stefan Marr
Hi: While debugging the beautiful method below, I noticed that the debugger shows data1 to be `nil`, while it actually has a proper value. That is, the pane on the right bottom shows the wrong value. When inspecting `data1` within the source code pane, it is correctly shown in the inspector. I

Re: [Pharo-dev] Brand new modern Spotter design!

2015-04-03 Thread Sven Van Caekenberghe
Maybe the color is an April 1st joke ? > On 03 Apr 2015, at 10:30, Tudor Girba wrote: > > Universal : > > Doru > > On Fri, Apr 3, 2015 at 9:47 AM, Stephan Eggermont wrote: > On 01/04/15 11:53, Tudor Girba wrote: > Nah, you have to experience it first hand yourself. It's too cool to > expe

Re: [Pharo-dev] Pharo 4 Beta, first impressions

2015-04-03 Thread Peter Uhnák
The point is, every piece of code needs to be written and maintained which takes time and energy from other activities. However I imagine that taking the current Pharo theme and just moving the buttons around wouldn't be a complex task (or perhaps even making it customizable option). Personally s

Re: [Pharo-dev] Pharo 4 Beta, first impressions

2015-04-03 Thread kilon alios
Not me I used to be a windows only user for over a decade and I was always have been wondering why the close /max/min are on the right side when menus start from the left. So when I finally decided to convert to Macos it was a welcomed change and still is. Now you can ask me after 8 years being a

Re: [Pharo-dev] [Pharo-users] Pharo sprint on Friday, 3rd April

2015-04-03 Thread Marcus Denker
> On 03 Apr 2015, at 14:36, Jigyasa Grover wrote: > > Ohk. > No issues :) > Looking forward to other Pharo Sprints focusing on beginners :D > Yes… maybe other people have ideas? Marcus

Re: [Pharo-dev] Pharo 4 Beta, first impressions

2015-04-03 Thread Benoit St-Jean via Pharo-dev
--- Begin Message --- It's not so much about the Windows look (whether it's Win98, Win 2K, Win XP, Win Me, Win 8, Win Whatever).  Every Windows user *expects* to have the Close, Maximize & Minimize buttons at the upper right of the Window. It might look like a silly detail but try swapping the bu

Re: [Pharo-dev] [Pharo-users] Pharo sprint on Friday, 3rd April

2015-04-03 Thread Jigyasa Grover
Hey Sean Sure ! Am up for it Could you suggest any specific task ? Thanks Jigyasa Grover On Fri, Apr 3, 2015 at 6:06 PM, Jigyasa Grover wrote: > Ohk. > No issues :) > Looking forward to other Pharo Sprints focusing on beginners :D > > On Fri, Apr 3, 2015 at 6:00 PM, Marcus Denker > wrote: > >>

Re: [Pharo-dev] [Pharo-users] Pharo sprint on Friday, 3rd April

2015-04-03 Thread Jigyasa Grover
Ohk. No issues :) Looking forward to other Pharo Sprints focusing on beginners :D On Fri, Apr 3, 2015 at 6:00 PM, Marcus Denker wrote: > > On 03 Apr 2015, at 13:07, Jigyasa Grover > wrote: > > Hey Marcus > Anything up there for the beginners ? > > > Not really yet… I am focusing myself on Pharo

Re: [Pharo-dev] Pharo sprint on Friday, 3rd April

2015-04-03 Thread Sean P. DeNigris
Jigyasa Grover wrote > Anything up there for the beginners ? Documentation - class comments, method comments, tests - are always up for beginners ;) - Cheers, Sean -- View this message in context: http://forum.world.st/Pharo-sprint-on-Friday-3rd-April-tp4815603p4817273.html Sent from the P

Re: [Pharo-dev] Pharo 4 Beta, first impressions

2015-04-03 Thread Sean P. DeNigris
Pharo Smalltalk Developers mailing list wrote > 1) How can I get the Windows theme (W2K) that was available in Pharo 3 > (it's no longer there in Pharo 4.0 Beta).  Having the close, maximize & > minimize buttons to the left of every window is VERY annoying for Windows > users! http://forum.world.s

Re: [Pharo-dev] Pharo 4 Beta, first impressions

2015-04-03 Thread Benoit St-Jean via Pharo-dev
--- Begin Message --- To the contrary!  It's way faster and shorter to list what annoys me about Pharo 4.0 than write a novel on all its qualities!  ;)  - Benoit St-Jean Yahoo! Messenger: bstjean Twitter: @BenLeChialeux Pinterest: benoitstjean IRC: lamneth Blogue: endormitoire.wor

Re: [Pharo-dev] [Pharo-users] Pharo sprint on Friday, 3rd April

2015-04-03 Thread Marcus Denker
> On 03 Apr 2015, at 13:07, Jigyasa Grover wrote: > > Hey Marcus > Anything up there for the beginners ? > Not really yet… I am focusing myself on Pharo4… where we are not in a state that simple things are done (which often are cleanups). > On Fri, Apr 3, 2015 at 4:35 PM, Marcus Denker

[Pharo-dev] Resizing of the print block (Pharo 4.0)

2015-04-03 Thread Gaurav Singh
Is there a way to resize the print block in the playground? Sometimes when the string is quite a bit long the print block never goes beyond a specific dimension which is quite less and therefore we have to scroll down more rows to check the output and the only way to see the better output is the in

Re: [Pharo-dev] Pharo 4 Beta, first impressions

2015-04-03 Thread Marcus Denker
> On 03 Apr 2015, at 14:11, Benoit St-Jean via Pharo-dev > wrote: > > > Date: 3 Apr 2015 14:08:03 CEST > From: Benoit St-Jean > Reply-To: Benoit St-Jean > To: Pharo Development List > Subject: Pharo 4 Beta, first impressions > > > 3 quick things : > > 1) How can I get the Windows theme (

Re: [Pharo-dev] Pharo 4 Beta, first impressions

2015-04-03 Thread Tudor Girba
Hi, Thanks for the feedback. Given that all listed points are negative, does it mean that there was nothing positive about Pharo 4? :) Cheers, Doru On Fri, Apr 3, 2015 at 2:11 PM, Benoit St-Jean via Pharo-dev < pharo-dev@lists.pharo.org> wrote: > > > -- Forwarded message -- >

Re: [Pharo-dev] About PharoShortcuts

2015-04-03 Thread Sean P. DeNigris
Nicolai Hess wrote > Shortcuts in text editor are hardcoded There is also http://forum.world.st/redefining-default-smalltalk-shortcuts-in-pluggable-textmorph-tt4678057.html and http://forum.world.st/Keymapping-Class-vs-Instance-Targets-tt4639863.html#a4640220 , which I gave up on until TxText beca

[Pharo-dev] Pharo 4 Beta, first impressions

2015-04-03 Thread Benoit St-Jean via Pharo-dev
--- Begin Message --- 3 quick things : 1) How can I get the Windows theme (W2K) that was available in Pharo 3 (it's no longer there in Pharo 4.0 Beta).  Having the close, maximize & minimize buttons to the left of every window is VERY annoying for Windows users! 2) Am I the only one annoyed by th

Re: [Pharo-dev] Freeze while running a loop

2015-04-03 Thread Jigyasa Grover
Yep , quite possible. On Fri, Apr 3, 2015 at 5:37 PM, Max Leske wrote: > > On 03 Apr 2015, at 14:05, Jigyasa Grover > wrote: > > It didn't happen with me in either of the cases :/ > Worked just fine for both. > > > May be memory / hardware dependent. > > > On Fri, Apr 3, 2015 at 5:33 PM, Gaurav

Re: [Pharo-dev] Freeze while running a loop

2015-04-03 Thread Max Leske
> On 03 Apr 2015, at 14:05, Jigyasa Grover wrote: > > It didn't happen with me in either of the cases :/ > Worked just fine for both. May be memory / hardware dependent. > > On Fri, Apr 3, 2015 at 5:33 PM, Gaurav Singh > wrote: > It doesnt happen here , but i w

Re: [Pharo-dev] 14606 Really Important bug - Can't see some variables values while debugging closure

2015-04-03 Thread Max Leske
> On 03 Apr 2015, at 14:03, Nicolai Hess wrote: > > > > 2015-04-02 16:06 GMT+02:00 Max Leske >: > >> On 02 Apr 2015, at 00:29, Nicolai Hess > > wrote: >> >> 2015-04-01 18:56 GMT+02:00 Ben Coman > >: >> Issue

Re: [Pharo-dev] Freeze while running a loop

2015-04-03 Thread Jigyasa Grover
It didn't happen with me in either of the cases :/ Worked just fine for both. On Fri, Apr 3, 2015 at 5:33 PM, Gaurav Singh wrote: > It doesnt happen here , but i was wondering why did it happen in the > string case even when the run time is just a few milliseconds ? >

Re: [Pharo-dev] Freeze while running a loop

2015-04-03 Thread Gaurav Singh
It doesnt happen here , but i was wondering why did it happen in the string case even when the run time is just a few milliseconds ?

Re: [Pharo-dev] Freeze while running a loop

2015-04-03 Thread Gaurav Singh
Thanks Aliaksei , I got it :) On Fri, Apr 3, 2015 at 5:33 PM, Gaurav Singh wrote: > It doesnt happen here , but i was wondering why did it happen in the > string case even when the run time is just a few milliseconds ? >

Re: [Pharo-dev] 14606 Really Important bug - Can't see some variables values while debugging closure

2015-04-03 Thread Nicolai Hess
2015-04-02 16:06 GMT+02:00 Max Leske : > > On 02 Apr 2015, at 00:29, Nicolai Hess wrote: > > 2015-04-01 18:56 GMT+02:00 Ben Coman : > >> Issue 14606 [1] is tagged "Really Important" where evaluating >> >> | t1 t2 t3 t4 t5 t6 | >> t1 := 1. >> t2 := 2. >> t3 := 3. >> t4 := 4

Re: [Pharo-dev] Freeze while running a loop

2015-04-03 Thread Aliaksei Syrel
Hi Gaurav, The problem is with your code. String is immutable and during concatenation it creates each time new and new String objects. In the end the length of the "temp" string is 588895. What do you think, is it efficient to create thousands of Strings with half a million length just to add a f

Re: [Pharo-dev] Freeze while running a loop

2015-04-03 Thread Max Leske
> On 03 Apr 2015, at 13:43, Gaurav Singh wrote: > > My window freezes whenever i try to run a loop which has even 10 > iterations which are quite less for a computational device. > Let say i run : > [| temp | > temp := String new. > (1 to: 10) > do: [:i | temp := temp, i asString, ' ']

Re: [Pharo-dev] Freeze while running a loop

2015-04-03 Thread Jigyasa Grover
Hi Gaurav :) I tried the same code snippet, but it works fine in my system. It doesn't hang. Thanks and Regards Jigyasa Grover On Fri, Apr 3, 2015 at 5:13 PM, Gaurav Singh wrote: > My window freezes whenever i try to run a loop which has even 10 > iterations which are quite less for a comput

[Pharo-dev] About PharoShortcuts

2015-04-03 Thread Nicolai Hess
15288 Shortcuts in text editor are hardcoded I think it is a good idea to commonly name those short cuts. But this does not help to make the shortcut handling really configurable. For example, how would we change the shortcut for "toggle comment" ? -

[Pharo-dev] Freeze while running a loop

2015-04-03 Thread Gaurav Singh
My window freezes whenever i try to run a loop which has even 10 iterations which are quite less for a computational device. Let say i run : [| temp | temp := String new. (1 to: 10) do: [:i | temp := temp, i asString, ' ']] timeToRun. The time taken to compute is a few milliseconds , but th

Re: [Pharo-dev] Playground opening issue

2015-04-03 Thread Tudor Girba
Thanks. Doru On Fri, Apr 3, 2015 at 1:38 PM, Jigyasa Grover wrote: > Hey Tudor > I checked it , works fine for me :) > Thanks and Regards > Jigyasa Grover > > On Fri, Apr 3, 2015 at 4:45 PM, Tudor Girba wrote: > >> The same issue happens with the inspector. >> >> And it also concerns maximizat

Re: [Pharo-dev] [Vm-dev] Re: Status of Pharo VM for FreeBSD

2015-04-03 Thread Esteban Lorenzano
> On 03 Apr 2015, at 13:04, Andreas Wacknitz wrote: > > > Am 03.04.15 11:13, schrieb Esteban Lorenzano: >> >>> On 02 Apr 2015, at 19:20, Eliot Miranda >> > wrote: >>> >>> Hi Andreas, >>> >>> sorry to be late in replying. This has been a busy month (I move

Re: [Pharo-dev] Playground opening issue

2015-04-03 Thread Jigyasa Grover
Hey Tudor I checked it , works fine for me :) Thanks and Regards Jigyasa Grover On Fri, Apr 3, 2015 at 4:45 PM, Tudor Girba wrote: > The same issue happens with the inspector. > > And it also concerns maximization (so, once maximized, the next window > also starts with the maximized size). > > I

Re: [Pharo-dev] FileUrl: Removal Rationale

2015-04-03 Thread Norbert Hartl
> Am 02.04.2015 um 23:55 schrieb Sean P. DeNigris : > > Sven Van Caekenberghe-2 wrote >> Having subclasses for each scheme is hard to maintain (there are hundreds >> of schemes)... It also makes little sense implementation wise. > > I’m not understanding. For one thing, in Core, we’re not intere

Re: [Pharo-dev] Playground opening issue

2015-04-03 Thread Tudor Girba
The same issue happens with the inspector. And it also concerns maximization (so, once maximized, the next window also starts with the maximized size). I opened another issue and committed associated fixes: https://pharo.fogbugz.com/f/cases/15294/Playground-and-Inspector-should-not-store-the-size

Re: [Pharo-dev] Pharo sprint on Friday, 3rd April

2015-04-03 Thread Jigyasa Grover
Hey Marcus Anything up there for the beginners ? On Fri, Apr 3, 2015 at 4:35 PM, Marcus Denker wrote: > > On 28 Mar 2015, at 09:20, Marcus Denker wrote: > > > This means having a look at the issue tracker to find some issue that are > interesting to work on could be an idea. > > Maybe a trello

Re: [Pharo-dev] Pharo sprint on Friday, 3rd April

2015-04-03 Thread Marcus Denker
> On 28 Mar 2015, at 09:20, Marcus Denker wrote: > >> >> This means having a look at the issue tracker to find some issue that are >> interesting to work on could be an idea. >> >> Maybe a trello board could be used to sync for the remote sprinters. >> > > https://trello.com/b/OQ2k210W

Re: [Pharo-dev] [Vm-dev] Re: Status of Pharo VM for FreeBSD

2015-04-03 Thread Andreas Wacknitz
Am 03.04.15 11:13, schrieb Esteban Lorenzano: On 02 Apr 2015, at 19:20, Eliot Miranda > wrote: Hi Andreas, sorry to be late in replying. This has been a busy month (I moved house). On Sat, Mar 14, 2015 at 10:33 AM, Andreas Wacknitz

Re: [Pharo-dev] editing in Spotter code pane

2015-04-03 Thread Tudor Girba
Hi, On Fri, Apr 3, 2015 at 10:56 AM, Ben Coman wrote: > I've just started trying to make more use of the code pane in Spotter. It > seemed ideal for the case when I want to add "self haltOnce" to a dozen > methods. However when I hit to get a new line, Spotter closes. > > Additionally the Bro

Re: [Pharo-dev] Can we have basicRaw in GTInspector?

2015-04-03 Thread kilon alios
I did not know that, thanks On Fri, Apr 3, 2015 at 12:39 PM, Esteban Lorenzano wrote: > > On 02 Apr 2015, at 18:16, p...@highoctane.be wrote: > > Welcome to the club of GT is awesome and sometimes freezes it all. > > Happened to me once or twice this morning as well. > Switched back to basic ins

Re: [Pharo-dev] Can we have basicRaw in GTInspector?

2015-04-03 Thread Esteban Lorenzano
> On 02 Apr 2015, at 18:16, p...@highoctane.be wrote: > > Welcome to the club of GT is awesome and sometimes freezes it all. > > Happened to me once or twice this morning as well. > Switched back to basic inspector for a couple things. > > Having both options available would be nice (like inspe

[Pharo-dev] [pharo-project/pharo-core]

2015-04-03 Thread GitHub
Branch: refs/tags/40593 Home: https://github.com/pharo-project/pharo-core

[Pharo-dev] [pharo-project/pharo-core] 7d4a23: 40593

2015-04-03 Thread GitHub
Branch: refs/heads/4.0 Home: https://github.com/pharo-project/pharo-core Commit: 7d4a2392b0acb12dc8cd48183ca143f31624a98d https://github.com/pharo-project/pharo-core/commit/7d4a2392b0acb12dc8cd48183ca143f31624a98d Author: Jenkins Build Server Date: 2015-04-03 (Fri, 03 Apr 2015

[Pharo-dev] editing in Spotter code pane

2015-04-03 Thread Ben Coman
I've just started trying to make more use of the code pane in Spotter. It seemed ideal for the case when I want to add "self haltOnce" to a dozen methods. However when I hit to get a new line, Spotter closes. Additionally the Browser that opens doesn't contain the change I made in Spotter - the

Re: [Pharo-dev] Brand new modern Spotter design!

2015-04-03 Thread Tudor Girba
Universal : Doru On Fri, Apr 3, 2015 at 9:47 AM, Stephan Eggermont wrote: > On 01/04/15 11:53, Tudor Girba wrote: > >> Nah, you have to experience it first hand yourself. It's too cool to >> experience it via a dead picture. >> > > On wednesday we used it in the devnology workshop. > It jus

Re: [Pharo-dev] Brand new modern Spotter design!

2015-04-03 Thread Stephan Eggermont
On 01/04/15 11:53, Tudor Girba wrote: Nah, you have to experience it first hand yourself. It's too cool to experience it via a dead picture. On wednesday we used it in the devnology workshop. It just works, no participants had any remarks :) Stephan

Re: [Pharo-dev] Can we have basicRaw in GTInspector?

2015-04-03 Thread Tudor Girba
Ok :) Doru On Thu, Apr 2, 2015 at 9:55 PM, p...@highoctane.be wrote: > > > On Thu, Apr 2, 2015 at 9:26 PM, Tudor Girba wrote: > >> Hi Phil, >> >> I think this is just not constructive at all to have a private club like >> that and not tell us about it. >> >> Please take a look at the reply of