Andrei,
1) The old configuration load api is non-deterministic, especially when
used with large configurations, Metacello will not downgrade a package,
so if (using the old api) Metacello decides that a newer version of a
configuration is present, then it will use the newer (and possibly
Hello everyone,
I'm writing here because I would like some insight about the OSWindowDriver.
As you may know, the OSWindowDriver (via OSSDL2Driver) is responsible for
many things in OSWindow such as setting up the event loop, creating the SDL
window, etc.
My first question is : How are you
Hello everyone,
I'm writing here because I would like some insight about the OSWindowDriver.
As you may know, the OSWindowDriver (via OSSDL2Driver) is responsible for
many things in OSWindow such as setting up the event loop, creating the SDL
window, etc.
My first question is : How are you
I am a windows user and I noticed a couple of strange things :
- To open a transcript, or a browser or other, it is written alt + O + T, or B,
or other, but it is ctrl + O + T, or B or other actually.
- Do it in a playground is alt + d or ctrl + d, but in Nautilus it is only alt
+ d (ctrl + d
It depends, ahah.
To copy/paste it is ctrl, but to quit a window it is alt F4, to switch between
windows it is alt + tab ...
But there is also a meta key, the windows key. With a mac keyboard for example,
the cmd key does this meta key.
As a windows user it became an other language to know,
Glamour for now doesn't have the same system of Shortcuts as Pharo. I
already opened an Issue about that.
And for the ctrl + o + w and ctrl + w it's not a problem with
windows/linux shortcut because we already had cmd + o + w and cmd + w
on Mac an nobody complained about it.
The use of ctrl is
ok, I fixed the issue… should be showing “Ctrl” now, and not “Alt”.
Esteban
On 28 May 2015, at 20:37, Franck Warlouzet franck.warlou...@hotmail.fr
wrote:
Yes ctrl is more usual to save, copy etc. alt seems to be used to manipulate
windows.
After using emacs for years, I cannot be
Le 28/05/2015 20:40, Nicolai Hess a écrit :
2015-05-28 16:55 GMT+02:00 Thierry Goubier thierry.goub...@gmail.com
mailto:thierry.goub...@gmail.com:
2015-05-28 16:49 GMT+02:00 Nicolai Hess nicolaih...@web.de
mailto:nicolaih...@web.de:
How silent should compileSilently be?
Hi,
I need win/linux users (and why not, other mac users than me) to test this
issue:
https://pharo.fogbugz.com/f/cases/15621
https://pharo.fogbugz.com/f/cases/15621
basically, it normalises all menu shortcut output… in a long but clear way (and
compatible with the platform).
cheers,
Yes ctrl is more usual to save, copy etc. alt seems to be used to manipulate
windows.
After using emacs for years, I cannot be disturbed by strange shortcuts anyway
From: guillermopol...@gmail.com
Date: Thu, 28 May 2015 18:30:25 +
To: pharo-dev@lists.pharo.org
Subject: Re: [Pharo-dev] I need
Always Ctrl. That's how usual application shortcuts work on windows and
unix. Ctrl.
El jue., 28 de may. de 2015 a la(s) 8:28 p. m., Esteban Lorenzano
esteba...@gmail.com escribió:
ok… but we are using what?
alt or ctrl?
my question is: the menus should show (for example, to save the image):
2015-05-28 19:47 GMT+02:00 Franck Warlouzet franck.warlou...@hotmail.fr:
I am a windows user and I noticed a couple of strange things :
- To open a transcript, or a browser or other, it is written alt + O + T,
or B, or other, but it is ctrl + O + T, or B or other actually.
this changed just
Currently, on Windows, the keymapping framework knows only two modifiers
ctrl and command
the windows key alt maps to command
2015-05-28 20:16 GMT+02:00 Esteban Lorenzano esteba...@gmail.com:
I’m lost now.
Which one is the “meta” key in windows? Alt or Ctrl?
Esteban
On 28 May 2015, at
ok… but we are using what?
alt or ctrl?
my question is: the menus should show (for example, to save the image):
Ctrl + Shift + S
or
Alt + Shift + S
and since we are there: What happens with linux?
Esteban
On 28 May 2015, at 20:25, Franck Warlouzet franck.warlou...@hotmail.fr
wrote:
It
2015-05-28 19:59 GMT+02:00 Cyril Ferlicot cyril.ferli...@gmail.com:
For the alt + o + t it's maybe because we changes the shortcut today.
This is a really bad change if you used to the old one. The old short cut
for open workspace was alt+o+w.
Now if you type alt+o+w it is recognized as alt+w
Should be ctrl (one in windows almost never uses alt). But Nicolai said
there was a bug in there. I didn't have the time to look into that yet.
El jue., 28 de may. de 2015 a la(s) 8:17 p. m., Esteban Lorenzano
esteba...@gmail.com escribió:
I’m lost now.
Which one is the “meta” key in windows?
Yes it does.
Franck
From: esteba...@gmail.com
Date: Thu, 28 May 2015 20:41:13 +0200
To: pharo-dev@lists.pharo.org
Subject: Re: [Pharo-dev] I need a windows user and a linux user to test
ok, I fixed the issue… should be showing “Ctrl” now, and not “Alt”.
Esteban
On 28 May 2015, at 20:37, Franck
I’m lost now.
Which one is the “meta” key in windows? Alt or Ctrl?
Esteban
On 28 May 2015, at 20:04, Nicolai Hess nicolaih...@web.de wrote:
2015-05-28 19:47 GMT+02:00 Franck Warlouzet franck.warlou...@hotmail.fr
mailto:franck.warlou...@hotmail.fr:
I am a windows user and I noticed a
We already have some issues about that, we just need to do the work.
https://pharo.fogbugz.com/f/cases/15289/GLMAction-should-use-PharoShortcut
https://pharo.fogbugz.com/f/cases/15619/cleanup-TextEditors-shortcut-definition
I want cmd-k damien. and cmd-A and cmd-E
:)
Le 27/5/15 15:56, Damien Cassou a écrit :
Serge Stinckwich serge.stinckw...@gmail.com writes:
I guess we should have a look how Emacs solve this keybinding issue
regarding multiple platforms.
Emacs works really well in this regard and should be
But exactly those (the windows key, alt F4 and alt tab) are defined by the
operating systems and never reach pharo :)
El jue., 28 de may. de 2015 a la(s) 8:25 p. m., Franck Warlouzet
franck.warlou...@hotmail.fr escribió:
It depends, ahah.
To copy/paste it is ctrl, but to quit a window it is
On Fri, May 29, 2015 at 2:30 AM, Guillermo Polito
guillermopol...@gmail.com wrote:
Always Ctrl. That's how usual application shortcuts work on windows and
unix. Ctrl.
+1
El jue., 28 de may. de 2015 a la(s) 8:28 p. m., Esteban Lorenzano
esteba...@gmail.com escribió:
ok… but we are using
well, along with this slice I opened: https://pharo.fogbugz.com/f/cases/15627
https://pharo.fogbugz.com/f/cases/15627
who “fixes” the glamour issue. but it needs to be integrated so it will take a
couple of days more.
hope with this at least the look of menus are normalised.
after we need
(whoops accidentally sent that last post)
and since we are there: What happens with linux?
Esteban
Linux is the same as Windows.
On 28 May 2015, at 20:25, Franck Warlouzet franck.warlou...@hotmail.fr
wrote:
To copy/paste it is ctrl, but to quit a window it is alt F4, to switch
between
On Fri, May 29, 2015 at 6:14 AM, Dale Henrichs
dale.henri...@gemtalksystems.com wrote:
Andrei,
1) The old configuration load api is non-deterministic, especially when used
with large configurations, Metacello will not downgrade a package, so if
(using the old api) Metacello decides that a
Ben,
Hmmm, I could make the use of #stable a Critical Warning:
MetacelloValidationCriticalWarning indicates that there is a logical
inconsistency that may not be intentional and that could cause incorrect
loads. I've submitted a Metacello issue #350[1] for this.
If I thought that folks
Thanks matthieu.
This is a good description of our discussion and I did not get the time
to talk with esteban yet. So thanks!
Le 29/5/15 00:05, Matthieu Lacaton a écrit :
Hello everyone,
I'm writing here because I would like some insight about the
OSWindowDriver.
As you may know, the
Arf, I failed when I wrote this mail cause I accidently sent it before it
was finished :s Could we all use the second one for the discussion please ?
I'm sorry :(
2015-05-29 6:50 GMT+02:00 stepharo steph...@free.fr:
Thanks matthieu.
This is a good description of our discussion and I did not
Oh, after some reflexion, I don't think it is a good idea anymore to have one
window map for all kinds of drivers because if we want to use more than one
back-end, the different windows will probably share some IDs so we cannot
put them all in the same basket :s
It is probably better then to keep
Le 26/5/15 19:14, Guillermo Polito a écrit :
And even if STON is integrated, PostgresV2 configuration should
include a dependency against it (because in the not so remote future
we will need explicit dependency information to build images).
+ 100
Mking dependencies explicit is the
Hi all,
Over the past few years we have maintained our own fork of Lukas’
HudsonBuildTools package, but I noticed there are updates flowing in with newer
version of Pharo.
So, I would like to merge our version with Pharo’s (and vice-versa) but I am
unable to find where the main repository for
Le 26/5/15 18:40, Esteban A. Maringolo a écrit :
Hi,
tl;dr: Question: Which JSON library is the recommended one?
Long:
I'm modifying the PostgresV2 package to support JSON datatype but
instead of using the JSON package from PharoExtras I'm trying to use
NeoJSON.
The problem is no JSON
Hi Sergio,
2015-05-28 1:56 GMT+02:00 Sergio Fedi sergio.f...@gmail.com:
Hi list!
As we are adding comments to Packages in Pharo, we stumbled upon the fact
that there are other creatures present in the package list.
These are:
RPackageTag, which models the tags under the package
Branch: refs/heads/5.0
Home: https://github.com/pharo-project/pharo-core
Commit: e19fa76f110ca08beb2a22cd7e6454caf35839bf
https://github.com/pharo-project/pharo-core/commit/e19fa76f110ca08beb2a22cd7e6454caf35839bf
Author: Jenkins Build Server bo...@pharo-project.org
Date:
Hi Paul,
There are several issues here.
NeoJSON cannot know that OrderPreservingDictionary is in fact a Dictionary,
since it inherits from Collection. For that to work you have to add copy over
the method
neoJsonOn: neoJSONWriter
neoJSONWriter writeMap: self
This will work for
Read fun with numbers in deep into pharo :)
Le 27/5/15 05:00, Sean P. DeNigris a écrit :
Why does 1 = 1.0 but 273.15 ~= (5463/20)? You must send #asFloat to the
fraction to answer true...
-
Cheers,
Sean
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On 28 May 2015, at 01:56, Sergio Fedi sergio.f...@gmail.com wrote:
Hi list!
As we are adding comments to Packages in Pharo, we stumbled upon the fact
that there are other creatures present in the package list.
These are:
RPackageTag, which models the tags under the package
yes, here it is: https://www.linkedin.com/grp/home?gid=2558378
https://www.linkedin.com/grp/home?gid=2558378
Uko
On 28 May 2015, at 01:46, Sergio Fedi sergio.f...@gmail.com wrote:
Hi, does Pharo have a presence on LinkedIn?
I want to indicate my (tiny) contribution to the Pharo project
Le 28/5/15 01:56, Sergio Fedi a écrit :
Hi list!
As we are adding comments to Packages in Pharo, we stumbled upon the
fact that there are other creatures present in the package list.
These are:
RPackageTag, which models the tags under the package
DynamicGroup, which model the dynamic
On 28 May 2015, at 09:02, Nicolai Hess nicolaih...@web.de wrote:
Hi Sergio,
2015-05-28 1:56 GMT+02:00 Sergio Fedi sergio.f...@gmail.com
mailto:sergio.f...@gmail.com:
Hi list!
As we are adding comments to Packages in Pharo, we stumbled upon the fact
that there are other creatures
Branch: refs/tags/50070
Home: https://github.com/pharo-project/pharo-core
Esteban,
I mean the HudsonBuildTools Smalltalk package containing classes such as
HDTestReport
it’s still in your Pharo4 image btw :)
Johan
On 28 May 2015, at 11:43, Esteban Lorenzano esteba...@gmail.com wrote:
HI,
Hudson tools are obsolete since… well, since before hudson was renamed
HI,
Hudson tools are obsolete since… well, since before hudson was renamed as
jenkins :)
I don’t know why you maintain them or what changes you did, but is not needed
and we are not using them since years (I don’t even remember last time I
checked at them).
Instead, we use zeroconf and
ah :)
that’s integrated in image (not that I’m happy with that, but… ) so it has to
be handled (for now) with SLICEs.
I would be super happy if you create a configuration of it and extract it to a
subproject (like sthub Pharo/HudsonBuildTools… or even better
Pharo/JenkinsBuildTools).
Thank you Yuri!
Thanks for the feedback.
(Thanks Nicolai for confirming that)
I understand all of the arguments.
Somethings to spur things up:
An argument in favor of having both classes handle comments is that from a
user perspective:
DynamicGroup - It's good to know the criteria under which classes are
Branch: refs/heads/5.0
Home: https://github.com/pharo-project/pharo-core
Commit: eb08f8ddd1f60e951235d46481199f4e7d8bb684
https://github.com/pharo-project/pharo-core/commit/eb08f8ddd1f60e951235d46481199f4e7d8bb684
Author: Jenkins Build Server bo...@pharo-project.org
Date:
I’m having some forced black fonts there.
Can you confirm it?
Esteban
Branch: refs/tags/50071
Home: https://github.com/pharo-project/pharo-core
On Thu, May 28, 2015 at 5:48 PM, Sergio Fedi sergio.f...@gmail.com wrote:
(Personally I have no idea of Work criteria to list classes, and have no
idea of the details of the other two)
Neither do I. Never used them. Now I wonder if when you define a new
group, you might also define a filter
Ok, I will merge the code changes.
Our package actually was already renamed JenkinsBuildTools [1] :)
[1] https://github.com/jbrichau/JenkinsBuildTools
https://github.com/jbrichau/JenkinsBuildTools
On 28 May 2015, at 13:02, Esteban Lorenzano esteba...@gmail.com wrote:
ah :)
that’s
2015-05-28 3:41 GMT-03:00 stepharo steph...@free.fr:
The problem is no JSON parser is bundled by default, so adding the
dependency to either class is arbitrary.
Why declaring a dependency would be a bad idea.
You use then declare it!
I didn't say bad, I said arbitrary. :)
Otherwise I'm
How silent should compileSilently be?
no trace in the system :
15314 https://pharo.fogbugz.com/default.asp?15314
compileSilently and method history / changes file
not half silenlty
13023 https://pharo.fogbugz.com/default.asp?13023
Test Cases should not do things half silently
not
2015-05-28 16:49 GMT+02:00 Nicolai Hess nicolaih...@web.de:
How silent should compileSilently be?
no trace in the system :
15314 https://pharo.fogbugz.com/default.asp?15314
compileSilently and method history / changes file
not half silenlty
13023
Today we were discussing about that with Camille. Actually we would like to
split the current compile into:
- compile: just compiles and returns the compiled method. The method is not
installed in the class. Nobody knows it's there.
- install: it properly installs the method in the class, and
Branch: refs/tags/50072
Home: https://github.com/pharo-project/pharo-core
Branch: refs/heads/5.0
Home: https://github.com/pharo-project/pharo-core
Commit: d76aaa4d8fec8f7725c645186ad615f9998ac42f
https://github.com/pharo-project/pharo-core/commit/d76aaa4d8fec8f7725c645186ad615f9998ac42f
Author: Jenkins Build Server bo...@pharo-project.org
Date:
On 28 May 2015, at 18:34, Guillermo Polito guillermopol...@gmail.com wrote:
Today we were discussing about that with Camille. Actually we would like to
split the current compile into:
- compile: just compiles and returns the compiled method. The method is not
installed in the class.
Le 28/05/2015 18:52, Max Leske a écrit :
On 28 May 2015, at 18:34, Guillermo Polito guillermopol...@gmail.com
mailto:guillermopol...@gmail.com wrote:
Today we were discussing about that with Camille. Actually we would
like to split the current compile into:
- compile: just compiles and
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