Re: [Pharo-dev] TxText model

On 06-04-16 19:31, Sean P. DeNigris wrote: [rant]I find the whole text system very confusing. What the heck does a paragraph know about insertion points?? A view has one paragraph object, even if there are several paragraphs (as understood by the rest of humanity as a block of text with breaks

Re: [Pharo-dev] TxText model

2016-04-06 19:31 GMT+02:00 Nicolai Hess : > (As it is based on TxText (or a fork) maybe it isn't that difficult to add > rendering on athens ?) It should be not difficult. In Twisty end rendering on canvas is just 1% of code (or less). I plan to adopt it for Bloc. And for

Re: [Pharo-dev] TxText model

). text Best regards, Henrik From: Pharo-dev [mailto:pharo-dev-boun...@lists.pharo.org] On Behalf Of Nicolai Hess Sent: Wednesday, April 6, 2016 8:23 PM To: Pharo Development List <pharo-dev@lists.pharo.org> Subject: Re: [Pharo-dev] TxText model 2016-04-06 18:11 GMT+02:00 p...@highoct

Re: [Pharo-dev] TxText model

2016-04-06 18:11 GMT+02:00 p...@highoctane.be : > Ok. Call me stupid but in Pharo I don't see how to do that easily. > > Phil > At least for Rubric, it can not be that difficult. I saw a GT-Inspector with a XML-styer > > On Wed, Apr 6, 2016 at 5:41 PM, Stephan Eggermont

Re: [Pharo-dev] TxText model

I have two or three Moleskine books full of notes about all of this text stuff. Still a maddening thing to deal with. Especially when you send wrong things and the whole UI freezes all over. Phil On Wed, Apr 6, 2016 at 7:31 PM, Sean P. DeNigris wrote: > > > What are the

Re: [Pharo-dev] TxText model

> What are the main problems with Text, Paragraph, ... and other old > TextComponents? > And how are these solved with TxText? > Stephan Eggermont wrote >> |t1 t2 ball page| >> page := Morph new. >> ... Yes, this example brackets the situation quite nicely. The current text system "makes hard

Re: [Pharo-dev] TxText model

On 6 April 2016 at 20:31, Nicolai Hess wrote: > > > 2016-04-06 18:00 GMT+02:00 Igor Stasenko : > >> >> >> On 6 April 2016 at 18:34, Nicolai Hess wrote: >> >>> >>> Am 06.04.2016 5:21 nachm. schrieb "Igor Stasenko"

Re: [Pharo-dev] TxText model

2016-04-06 18:00 GMT+02:00 Igor Stasenko : > > > On 6 April 2016 at 18:34, Nicolai Hess wrote: > >> >> Am 06.04.2016 5:21 nachm. schrieb "Igor Stasenko" : >> > >> > btw, >> > >> > if you wanna feel a difference, why we wanted vector

Re: [Pharo-dev] TxText model

Ok. Call me stupid but in Pharo I don't see how to do that easily. Phil On Wed, Apr 6, 2016 at 5:41 PM, Stephan Eggermont wrote: > On 06-04-16 11:13, p...@highoctane.be wrote: > >> Another pain is the styling of text where the only styler we have is the >> SHSt80Styler (class

Re: [Pharo-dev] TxText model

On 6 April 2016 at 18:34, Nicolai Hess wrote: > > Am 06.04.2016 5:21 nachm. schrieb "Igor Stasenko" : > > > > btw, > > > > if you wanna feel a difference, why we wanted vector based rendering, by > yourself, open: > > > > Morph comment asText asMorph

Re: [Pharo-dev] TxText model

On 06-04-16 11:13, p...@highoctane.be wrote: Another pain is the styling of text where the only styler we have is the SHSt80Styler (class name out of my mind, need to check) and that's a huge pain to support other stylings. Styling with different stylers worked in TextMorph. In Squeak it is

Re: [Pharo-dev] TxText model

Nice! I addd this as #example method to TxAthensLayoutView.   Gesendet: Mittwoch, 06. April 2016 um 17:20 Uhr Von: "Igor Stasenko" <siguc...@gmail.com> An: "Pharo Development List" <pharo-dev@lists.pharo.org> Betreff: Re: [Pharo-dev] TxText model btw,   if you

Re: [Pharo-dev] TxText model

Am 06.04.2016 5:21 nachm. schrieb "Igor Stasenko" : > > btw, > > if you wanna feel a difference, why we wanted vector based rendering, by yourself, open: > > Morph comment asText asMorph openInSceneView > > and then > > | sceneView view | > sceneView := AthensSceneView new. >

Re: [Pharo-dev] TxText model

btw, if you wanna feel a difference, why we wanted vector based rendering, by yourself, open: Morph comment asText asMorph openInSceneView and then | sceneView view | sceneView := AthensSceneView new. view := TxAthensLayoutView on: Morph comment asTxModel extent: 400@400. sceneView scene:

Re: [Pharo-dev] TxText model

On 6 April 2016 at 17:07, Nicolai Hess wrote: > > > 2016-04-06 10:56 GMT+02:00 Igor Stasenko : > >> >> >> On 6 April 2016 at 11:36, Nicolai Hess wrote: >> >>> >>> >>> Thanks Igor. >>> Maybe some more Info? (I don't have much

Re: [Pharo-dev] TxText model

2016-04-06 10:56 GMT+02:00 Igor Stasenko : > > > On 6 April 2016 at 11:36, Nicolai Hess wrote: > >> >> >> Thanks Igor. >> Maybe some more Info? (I don't have much experience with this and don't >> fully understand what is missing). >> >> >>> 1. No

Re: [Pharo-dev] TxText model

Nice! 2016-04-06 12:18 GMT+02:00 Stephan Eggermont : > On 06-04-16 10:36, Nicolai Hess wrote: > >> In what use cases is this a problem ? (Paragraph and DisplayScanner have >> good support for justified text (left / right / center), indentation >> wrapping and (I don't know if

Re: [Pharo-dev] TxText model

On 06-04-16 10:36, Nicolai Hess wrote: In what use cases is this a problem ? (Paragraph and DisplayScanner have good support for justified text (left / right / center), indentation wrapping and (I don't know if this works in pharo anymore but squeak had) even filling text in arbitary shaped

Re: [Pharo-dev] TxText model

On Wed, Apr 6, 2016 at 11:02 AM, Igor Stasenko wrote: > > > On 6 April 2016 at 11:56, Denis Kudriashov wrote: > >> Hi >> >> 2016-04-06 9:07 GMT+02:00 Nicolai Hess : >> >>> What are the main problems with Text, Paragraph, ... and

Re: [Pharo-dev] TxText model

2016-04-06 10:56 GMT+02:00 Denis Kudriashov : > Hi > > 2016-04-06 9:07 GMT+02:00 Nicolai Hess : > >> What are the main problems with Text, Paragraph, ... and other old >> TextComponents? > > > I don't want to write crappy words. But to understand what

Re: [Pharo-dev] TxText model

On 6 April 2016 at 11:56, Denis Kudriashov wrote: > Hi > > 2016-04-06 9:07 GMT+02:00 Nicolai Hess : > >> What are the main problems with Text, Paragraph, ... and other old >> TextComponents? > > > I don't want to write crappy words. But to understand

Re: [Pharo-dev] TxText model

Hi 2016-04-06 9:07 GMT+02:00 Nicolai Hess : > What are the main problems with Text, Paragraph, ... and other old > TextComponents? I don't want to write crappy words. But to understand what was wrong you can try with them: - remove blinking cursor for specific morph

Re: [Pharo-dev] TxText model

On 6 April 2016 at 11:36, Nicolai Hess wrote: > > > Thanks Igor. > Maybe some more Info? (I don't have much experience with this and don't > fully understand what is missing). > > >> 1. No support for vector graphics >> > > I know some parts of Athens (with Cairo font

Re: [Pharo-dev] TxText model

On 6 April 2016 at 11:36, Nicolai Hess wrote: > > > 2016-04-06 9:59 GMT+02:00 Igor Stasenko : > >> >> >> On 6 April 2016 at 10:07, Nicolai Hess wrote: >> >>> >>> >>> 2016-04-06 7:57 GMT+02:00 p...@highoctane.be

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2016-04-06 9:59 GMT+02:00 Igor Stasenko : > > > On 6 April 2016 at 10:07, Nicolai Hess wrote: > >> >> >> 2016-04-06 7:57 GMT+02:00 p...@highoctane.be : >> >>> >>> >>> On Wed, Apr 6, 2016 at 2:07 AM, Sean P. DeNigris

Re: [Pharo-dev] TxText model

On 6 April 2016 at 10:07, Nicolai Hess wrote: > > > 2016-04-06 7:57 GMT+02:00 p...@highoctane.be : > >> >> >> On Wed, Apr 6, 2016 at 2:07 AM, Sean P. DeNigris >> wrote: >> >>> philippe.b...@highoctane.be wrote >>> > So, I ended

Re: [Pharo-dev] TxText model

2016-04-06 7:57 GMT+02:00 p...@highoctane.be : > > > On Wed, Apr 6, 2016 at 2:07 AM, Sean P. DeNigris > wrote: > >> philippe.b...@highoctane.be wrote >> > So, I ended up in ParagraphEditor, Text attributes etc. >> >> Ugh. How many beautiful projects

Re: [Pharo-dev] TxText model

On Wed, Apr 6, 2016 at 2:07 AM, Sean P. DeNigris wrote: > philippe.b...@highoctane.be wrote > > So, I ended up in ParagraphEditor, Text attributes etc. > > Ugh. How many beautiful projects have died because of Paragraph and > associated editors?! A damn lot, I can tell

Re: [Pharo-dev] TxText model

philippe.b...@highoctane.be wrote > So, I ended up in ParagraphEditor, Text attributes etc. Ugh. How many beautiful projects have died because of Paragraph and associated editors?! This is where my vim keybindings experiment came screeching to a halt. - Cheers, Sean -- View this message in

Re: [Pharo-dev] TxText model

On 5 April 2016 at 04:16, Ben Coman wrote: > On Mon, Apr 4, 2016 at 9:49 PM, Igor Stasenko wrote: > > > > > > On 4 April 2016 at 16:32, Thierry Goubier > wrote: > >> > >> > >> > >> 2016-04-04 15:23 GMT+02:00 Igor Stasenko

Re: [Pharo-dev] TxText model

On Mon, Apr 4, 2016 at 9:49 PM, Igor Stasenko wrote: > > > On 4 April 2016 at 16:32, Thierry Goubier wrote: >> >> >> >> 2016-04-04 15:23 GMT+02:00 Igor Stasenko : >>> >>> >>> Analogies don't work. Right :) I never used

Re: [Pharo-dev] TxText model

Le 04/04/2016 22:02, Damien Pollet a écrit : On 4 April 2016 at 17:21, Thierry Goubier > wrote: Did you had a look at the Doc code (of Design Pattern fame)? It has allways been freely available. no, what is it? do you have

Re: [Pharo-dev] TxText model

Le 04/04/2016 22:02, Damien Pollet a écrit : On 4 April 2016 at 17:21, Thierry Goubier > wrote: Did you had a look at the Doc code (of Design Pattern fame)? It has allways been freely available. no, what is it? do you have

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On 4 April 2016 at 17:21, Thierry Goubier wrote: > Did you had a look at the Doc code (of Design Pattern fame)? It has > allways been freely available. no, what is it? do you have a link? -- Damien Pollet type less, do more [ | ]

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On 04-04-16 16:47, Thierry Goubier wrote: A short look through the layout part of it and I saw it has support for arbitrary object spans. It also supposes a certain API from it's model (interacting back to indicate where lines should be ended). A text is a list of spans, isn't it? And spans

Re: [Pharo-dev] TxText model

2016-04-04 17:16 GMT+02:00 Igor Stasenko : > Glad to hear that you did not thrown away your project. If you skip my announcement it here http://lists.pharo.org/pipermail/pharo-dev_lists.pharo.org/2015-November/116027.html. And look at videos.

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2016-04-04 17:07 GMT+02:00 Igor Stasenko : > > >> For now, external objects can't extend below the baseline. >> > > Slightly not like that. An external object are bound to concrete position > in text. And layout of a single line are computed based on dimensions of > that

Re: [Pharo-dev] TxText model

2016-04-04 17:10 GMT+02:00 Stephan Eggermont : > On 04-04-16 16:49, Thierry Goubier wrote: > >> Framemaker-like or web-page like? Thierry >> > Framemaker. Really challenging. Did you had a look at the Doc code (of Design Pattern fame)? It has allways been freely available.

Re: [Pharo-dev] TxText model

On 4 April 2016 at 17:47, Denis Kudriashov wrote: > > 2016-04-04 16:11 GMT+02:00 Thierry Goubier : > >> It is. Five packages, 1609 + 2647 lines of code (excluding tests and >> styler). >> >> I think Denis has worked on it (and extended it). >> > >

Re: [Pharo-dev] TxText model

On Apr 4, 2016 4:24 PM, "Sven Van Caekenberghe" wrote: > > > > On 04 Apr 2016, at 16:02, philippe.b...@highoctane.be < philippe.b...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > > Is TxText part of the image? > > Try (in 5.0): > > TxViewContainer exampleOneLineEditor. > > TxViewContainer editText:

Re: [Pharo-dev] TxText model

On 4 April 2016 at 17:47, Thierry Goubier wrote: > > > 2016-04-04 16:14 GMT+02:00 Igor Stasenko : > >> >> >> On 4 April 2016 at 17:03, Thierry Goubier >> wrote: >> >>> >>> >>> 2016-04-04 15:49 GMT+02:00 Igor Stasenko

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2016-04-04 16:51 GMT+02:00 Thierry Goubier : > Twisty renders only on Athens too? Only Morphic now. It should not be hard to support Athens, TxText can be used as example. Twisty is on Smalltalkhub, right? Yes

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2016-04-04 16:11 GMT+02:00 Thierry Goubier : > It is. Five packages, 1609 + 2647 lines of code (excluding tests and > styler). > > I think Denis has worked on it (and extended it). > History was that: At some point I realised that I can't use old TextMorph anymore. For

Re: [Pharo-dev] TxText model

2016-04-04 16:04 GMT+02:00 Stephan Eggermont : > On 04-04-16 15:49, Thierry Goubier wrote: > >> Are you thinking of writing a text typesetting engine in Pharo? >> > > Would I like to? Sure. Don't know how to finance that, though. Framemaker-like or web-page like? Thierry >

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2016-04-04 16:14 GMT+02:00 Igor Stasenko : > > > On 4 April 2016 at 17:03, Thierry Goubier > wrote: > >> >> >> 2016-04-04 15:49 GMT+02:00 Igor Stasenko : >> >>> >>> >>> On 4 April 2016 at 16:32, Thierry Goubier

Re: [Pharo-dev] TxText model

2016-04-04 16:47 GMT+02:00 Denis Kudriashov : > > 2016-04-04 16:11 GMT+02:00 Thierry Goubier : > >> It is. Five packages, 1609 + 2647 lines of code (excluding tests and >> styler). >> >> I think Denis has worked on it (and extended it). >> > >

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> On 04 Apr 2016, at 16:02, philippe.b...@highoctane.be > wrote: > > Is TxText part of the image? Try (in 5.0): TxViewContainer exampleOneLineEditor. TxViewContainer editText: 'Philippe Back'. Sven

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On 04-04-16 15:49, Thierry Goubier wrote: Are you thinking of writing a text typesetting engine in Pharo? Would I like to? Sure. Don't know how to finance that, though. Stephan

Re: [Pharo-dev] TxText model

On 4 April 2016 at 17:03, Thierry Goubier wrote: > > > 2016-04-04 15:49 GMT+02:00 Igor Stasenko : > >> >> >> On 4 April 2016 at 16:32, Thierry Goubier >> wrote: >> >>> >>> >>> 2016-04-04 15:23 GMT+02:00 Igor Stasenko

Re: [Pharo-dev] TxText model

On 04-04-16 13:18, Stephan Eggermont wrote: On 04-04-16 11:58, Igor Stasenko wrote: Apart from being 'cool to have', full-fledged word processing is not a thing, that you dealing with on a daily basis in environment, like Pharo. I'm sure that is the case for you. I wonder if that is the case

Re: [Pharo-dev] TxText model

2016-04-04 16:02 GMT+02:00 philippe.b...@highoctane.be < philippe.b...@gmail.com>: > > On Apr 4, 2016 3:54 PM, "Igor Stasenko" wrote: > > > > > > > > On 4 April 2016 at 16:41, Stephan Eggermont wrote: > >> > >> On 04-04-16 14:49, Igor Stasenko wrote: > >>>

Re: [Pharo-dev] TxText model

On 4 April 2016 at 16:49, Igor Stasenko wrote: > > > On 4 April 2016 at 16:32, Thierry Goubier > wrote: > >> >> >> 2016-04-04 15:23 GMT+02:00 Igor Stasenko : >> >>> >>> Analogies don't work. Right :) I never used Pillar and

Re: [Pharo-dev] TxText model

2016-04-04 15:49 GMT+02:00 Igor Stasenko : > > > On 4 April 2016 at 16:32, Thierry Goubier > wrote: > >> >> >> 2016-04-04 15:23 GMT+02:00 Igor Stasenko : >> >>> >>> Analogies don't work. Right :) I never used Pillar and have

Re: [Pharo-dev] TxText model

On Apr 4, 2016 3:54 PM, "Igor Stasenko" wrote: > > > > On 4 April 2016 at 16:41, Stephan Eggermont wrote: >> >> On 04-04-16 14:49, Igor Stasenko wrote: >>> >>> Oh, and aside all of that.. Making a full-fledged word processor is not >>> just a regular

Re: [Pharo-dev] TxText model

On 4 April 2016 at 16:41, Stephan Eggermont wrote: > On 04-04-16 14:49, Igor Stasenko wrote: > >> Oh, and aside all of that.. Making a full-fledged word processor is not >> just a regular engineering task. You need an expert of publishing, expert >> in fonts and typography.

Re: [Pharo-dev] TxText model

2016-04-04 15:41 GMT+02:00 Stephan Eggermont : > > I know enough about typesetting and producing technical documentation. Are you thinking of writing a text typesetting engine in Pharo? Thierry

Re: [Pharo-dev] TxText model

On 4 April 2016 at 16:32, Thierry Goubier wrote: > > > 2016-04-04 15:23 GMT+02:00 Igor Stasenko : > >> >> >>> Analogies don't work. Right :) I never used Pillar and have remote ideas >> about what it does or requires. From that perspective you

Re: [Pharo-dev] TxText model

On 04-04-16 14:49, Igor Stasenko wrote: Oh, and aside all of that.. Making a full-fledged word processor is not just a regular engineering task. You need an expert of publishing, expert in fonts and typography. That's right from the beginning. And i am not that expert in this domain(s). So, next

Re: [Pharo-dev] TxText model

On 4 April 2016 at 16:31, Stephan Eggermont wrote: > On 04-04-16 14:14, Igor Stasenko wrote: > >> If you have doubts about model, feel free to point it out and we can >> discuss details. >> > > As a text storage model it works pretty well. My major concerns are with > the

Re: [Pharo-dev] TxText model

2016-04-04 15:23 GMT+02:00 Igor Stasenko : > > >> Analogies don't work. Right :) I never used Pillar and have remote ideas > about what it does or requires. From that perspective you appeal to wrong > person. On your place i would be asking a guy who knows Pillar innards >

Re: [Pharo-dev] TxText model

On 04-04-16 14:14, Igor Stasenko wrote: If you have doubts about model, feel free to point it out and we can discuss details. As a text storage model it works pretty well. My major concerns are with the line-breaking. Stephan

Re: [Pharo-dev] TxText model

On 4 April 2016 at 16:14, philippe.b...@highoctane.be < philippe.b...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > Is there a doc explaining TxText somewhere? > > One of first things I wanted to do in Pharo (was 1.2 or 1.3 at the time) > was to have text with clickable links, pictures etc. > And not in a web

Re: [Pharo-dev] TxText model

On 4 April 2016 at 16:14, Thierry Goubier wrote: > > > 2016-04-04 15:02 GMT+02:00 Igor Stasenko : > >> >> >> On 4 April 2016 at 15:44, Thierry Goubier >> wrote: >> >>> >>> >>> 2016-04-04 14:24 GMT+02:00 Igor Stasenko

Re: [Pharo-dev] TxText model

2016-04-04 15:10 GMT+02:00 Igor Stasenko : > > > On 4 April 2016 at 15:44, Thierry Goubier > wrote: >> >> >> Have you really looked into what is the core of the TeX algorithm? The >> fact that an interactive version of it was done multiple times in

Re: [Pharo-dev] TxText model

On Apr 4, 2016 3:03 PM, "Igor Stasenko" wrote: > > > > On 4 April 2016 at 15:44, Thierry Goubier wrote: >> >> >> >> 2016-04-04 14:24 GMT+02:00 Igor Stasenko : >>> >>> >>> >>> On 4 April 2016 at 14:28, Thierry Goubier

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2016-04-04 15:02 GMT+02:00 Igor Stasenko : > > > On 4 April 2016 at 15:44, Thierry Goubier > wrote: > >> >> >> 2016-04-04 14:24 GMT+02:00 Igor Stasenko : >> >>> >>> >>> On 4 April 2016 at 14:28, Thierry Goubier

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On 4 April 2016 at 15:44, Thierry Goubier wrote: > > > Have you really looked into what is the core of the TeX algorithm? The > fact that an interactive version of it was done multiple times in history? > (Self / InterViews to cite the ones I know and have used) > >

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On 4 April 2016 at 15:44, Thierry Goubier wrote: > > > 2016-04-04 14:24 GMT+02:00 Igor Stasenko : > >> >> >> On 4 April 2016 at 14:28, Thierry Goubier >> wrote: >> >>> >>> >>> 2016-04-04 13:18 GMT+02:00 Stephan Eggermont

Re: [Pharo-dev] TxText model

2016-04-04 14:49 GMT+02:00 Igor Stasenko : > Oh, and aside all of that.. Making a full-fledged word processor is not > just a regular engineering task. You need an expert of publishing, expert > in fonts and typography. That's right from the beginning. > That's why I said

Re: [Pharo-dev] TxText model

Oh, and aside all of that.. Making a full-fledged word processor is not just a regular engineering task. You need an expert of publishing, expert in fonts and typography. That's right from the beginning. And i am not that expert in this domain(s). So, next time, when we start talking about things

Re: [Pharo-dev] TxText model

2016-04-04 14:14 GMT+02:00 Igor Stasenko : > > > On 4 April 2016 at 14:18, Stephan Eggermont wrote: > >> On 04-04-16 11:58, Igor Stasenko wrote: >> >>> Apart from being 'cool to have', full-fledged word processing is not a >>> thing, that you dealing with on

Re: [Pharo-dev] TxText model

2016-04-04 14:24 GMT+02:00 Igor Stasenko : > > > On 4 April 2016 at 14:28, Thierry Goubier > wrote: > >> >> >> 2016-04-04 13:18 GMT+02:00 Stephan Eggermont : >> >>> On 04-04-16 11:58, Igor Stasenko wrote: >>> Apart from being

Re: [Pharo-dev] TxText model

On 4 April 2016 at 14:28, Thierry Goubier wrote: > > > 2016-04-04 13:18 GMT+02:00 Stephan Eggermont : > >> On 04-04-16 11:58, Igor Stasenko wrote: >> >>> Apart from being 'cool to have', full-fledged word processing is not a >>> thing, that you

Re: [Pharo-dev] TxText model

On 4 April 2016 at 14:18, Stephan Eggermont wrote: > On 04-04-16 11:58, Igor Stasenko wrote: > >> Apart from being 'cool to have', full-fledged word processing is not a >> thing, that you dealing with on a daily basis in environment, like Pharo. >> > I'm sure that is the case

Re: [Pharo-dev] TxText model

2016-04-04 13:18 GMT+02:00 Stephan Eggermont : > On 04-04-16 11:58, Igor Stasenko wrote: > >> Apart from being 'cool to have', full-fledged word processing is not a >> thing, that you dealing with on a daily basis in environment, like Pharo. >> > I'm sure that is the case for

[Pharo-dev] TxText model

On 04-04-16 11:58, Igor Stasenko wrote: Apart from being 'cool to have', full-fledged word processing is not a thing, that you dealing with on a daily basis in environment, like Pharo. I'm sure that is the case for you. I wonder if that is the case for many Pharo users. AFAIK there are a lot