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Subject: Re: [Pharo-project] 1.4 - better from Jenkins
Schwab,Wilhelm K wrote:
> Stef,
>
> I have an idea for something that might be simple enough to make the point.
> It is confusing though, especially that once an image goes bad, it stays ba
Schwab,Wilhelm K wrote:
Stef,
I have an idea for something that might be simple enough to make the point. It is confusing though, especially that once an image goes bad, it stays bad, even though (AFAIK, I don't save it after the damage is done).
For certainty, you could monitor file timestamp
marcus may be we should integrate the rollback suggested by igor :)
Now I go to bed because a doctor touches my vertebra and I need to lay down :).
On Feb 10, 2012, at 9:38 PM, Marcus Denker wrote:
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> On Feb 10, 2012, at 9:36 PM, Schwab,Wilhelm K wrote:
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>> Stef,
>>
>> I am trying to simplif
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> bill
Bill
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On Feb 10, 2012, at 9:36 PM, Schwab,Wilhelm K wrote:
> Stef,
>
> I am trying to simplify it :) You use a Mac, right? I'm using Linux, and
> the vm differences might be at play??
>
How can we know if we can not reproduce the problem?
Marcus
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10, 2012 3:26 PM
To: Pharo-project@lists.gforge.inria.fr
Subject: Re: [Pharo-project] 1.4 - better from Jenkins
bill
can you build a reproducable situation?
Because we use daily packages with 1.4
In fact in often only develop in 1.4 and did not experience this problem. but
it does not mean that we
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; Benoit St-Jean
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> From: Dale Henrichs
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> [pharo-project-boun...@lists.gforge.inria.fr] on behalf of Sven Van
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? Dumb question?
> Maybe, but I'm stumped. Any ideas?
>
> Bill
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> [pharo-project-boun...@lists.gforge.inria.fr] on behalf of blake
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Hi miguel
I do not think that bill was nasty and I appreciated his feedback.
What is true is that we integrated in our way of life long time ago that doing
something today is the best
way to have done something that is not left to do :).
Stef
On Feb 9, 2012, at 9:12 PM, Miguel Cobá wrote:
> On
On Feb 9, 2012, at 8:06 PM, Schwab,Wilhelm K wrote:
> I grabbed 1.4 and cog/unix from jenkins, dumped all the files in one
> directory, made a shell script to run the image using Cog, and all I can say
> is "wow."
tx
> The usability problems I was having are gone. In particular, the context
ogle.com/p/metacello/issues/entry
- Original Message -
| From: "Wilhelm K Schwab"
| To: Pharo-project@lists.gforge.inria.fr
| Sent: Friday, February 10, 2012 10:06:10 AM
| Subject: Re: [Pharo-project] 1.4 - better from Jenkins
|
| Dale,
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| This might not be what you want. If
On 10/02/12 5:33 AM, Schwab,Wilhelm K wrote:
For all I know, I have made this reproducible.
I must have missed the steps to reproduce it. Can you repeat them:
- what Pharo-1.4 image are you starting from?
- what doIt's are you executing, up to the point you see a problem?
> One response sai
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Schwab,Wilhelm K
| Sent: Friday, February 10, 2012 2:21:30 AM
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| Dale,
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| I'm not "complaining," I'm stating facts and asking for advice. Not
| only did I state that I produced a "big" debug log, I also POSTED a
| smaller one.
7;m stumped. Any ideas?
Bill
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t; hardly the way one speaks of a robust infrastructure.
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> [pharo-project-boun...@lists.gforge.inria.fr] on behalf of Marcus Denker
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Hi Bill,
I've reading about your trails with Monticello/Metacello and been surprised
about all the difficulties you are having. I frequently load fairly complex
configurations on top of Pharo 1.3 without a problem.
You can flush Monticello caches with:
MCMethodDefinition cachedDefinitions remove
5:26 AM
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Subject: Re: [Pharo-project] 1.4 - better from Jenkins
On Feb 10, 2012, at 11:22 AM, Schwab,Wilhelm K wrote:
> Dale,
>
> I'm not "complaining," I'm stating facts and asking for advice. Not only did
> I state that I pro
On Feb 10, 2012, at 11:22 AM, Schwab,Wilhelm K wrote:
> Dale,
>
> I'm not "complaining," I'm stating facts and asking for advice. Not only did
> I state that I produced a "big" debug log, I also POSTED a smaller one. If
> you mean something different by a "stack trace," can you provide some
rsday, February 09, 2012 8:59 PM
To: Pharo-project@lists.gforge.inria.fr
Subject: Re: [Pharo-project] 1.4 - better from Jenkins
Before we even get to the details, we should make sure we all exchange on a
polite and non agressive tone.
That being said, I don't think Bill is whining. You never h
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> One snag: I'm still getting strangely broken images (won't ope
time to post.
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| Sent: Thursday, February 9, 2012 4:26:27 PM
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| I think you might be right about loading the .mcz files. But I don't
| have an expectation other than what has been said here many times:
| that Metacello is the f
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Subject: Re: [Pharo-project] 1.4 - better from Jenkins
On 09/02/12 5:39 PM, Schwab,Wilhelm K wrote:
> Sven,
>
> Fair enough, but the game plan is for people to use Metacello configurations
> to load what they need to build an image. I am attempting to do just that,
> and am re
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Subject: Re: [Pharo-project] 1.4 - better from Jenkins
On 09/02/12 5:39 PM, Schwab,Wilhelm K wrote:
> Sven,
>
&g
On 09/02/12 5:39 PM, Schwab,Wilhelm K wrote:
Sven,
Fair enough, but the game plan is for people to use Metacello configurations to
load what they need to build an image. I am attempting to do just that, and am
reporting (rather negative so far) experience, with debug logs.
Pharo's fault or n
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Subject: Re: [Pharo-project] 1.4 - better from Jenkins
On 09 Feb 2012, at 22:27, Schwab,Wilhelm K wrote:
On 09 Feb 2012, at 22:27, Schwab,Wilhelm K wrote:
> My new 1.4 image is behaving a *little* better than its predecessors, but
> there is still a problem. It seems to happen after invoking Metacello loads,
> even with the mirror. Odd behaviors include:
>
> (1) can't open debugger
> (2) can't
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Subject: Re: [Pharo-project] 1.4 - better from Jenkins
One snag: I'm still getting strangely broken images (won't open process browser
or debugger) after trying to download some things. I have mirrored squeak
source, BUT, some things (SIXX, O
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Subject: Re: [Pharo-project] 1.4 - better from Jenkins
On Feb 9, 2012, at 9:23 PM, Schwab,Wilhelm K wrote:
> Miguel,
>
> Giving you the benefit of the doubt, you misunderstand. Something did change
> "suddenly" in my experience and (as I CLEARLY stated in
On Feb 9, 2012, at 9:23 PM, Schwab,Wilhelm K wrote:
> Miguel,
>
> Giving you the benefit of the doubt, you misunderstand. Something did change
> "suddenly" in my experience and (as I CLEARLY stated in my email), it
> could easily be that the links on the Pharo site are stale.
They
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Subject: Re: [Pharo-project] 1.4 - better from Jenkins
On Thu, Feb 9, 2012 at 1:06 PM, Schwab,Wilhelm K wrote:
>
> I'll try to build an image using the SqueakSource mirror. No promises, but
> 1.4 "suddenly" looks a LOT more polished than it did. Are the links on the
> Pharo page old, or did somebody just do a lot of work to make things better?
>
A
I just downloaded the latest CogWin and Pharo 1.4 image and I got
"WARNING: Manufactured file handle detected!" at the bottom, and popup
full of startup errors.
But!
It's all actually very friendly! I can look through the errors and try
to figure out what caused them. It's way cleaner than the ol
I grabbed 1.4 and cog/unix from jenkins, dumped all the files in one directory,
made a shell script to run the image using Cog, and all I can say is "wow."
The usability problems I was having are gone. In particular, the context menus
work. I loaded Migrate and set preferences, with a really n
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