Re: [Pharo-project] cog vm for iOS

2011-05-29 Thread Richard Durr
Maybe it's because we feel Objective-C to be family. :) Maybe because of Apple's early connection to Parc and Smalltalk, who knows. On Thu, May 26, 2011 at 5:51 PM, Casimiro de Almeida Barreto casimiro.barr...@gmail.com wrote: Em 26-05-2011 09:02, Igor Stasenko escreveu: On 25 May 2011

Re: [Pharo-project] cog vm for iOS

2011-05-26 Thread Igor Stasenko
On 25 May 2011 20:45, Hilaire Fernandes hilaire.fernan...@gmail.com wrote: I have no idea how hard it is to pass the apple check. It can indeed temper any effort doing a theme. I think that i can express Apple's policy using single statement: - why you using language X for your project, if you

Re: [Pharo-project] cog vm for iOS

2011-05-26 Thread Toon Verwaest
Clearly Apple has a restrictive police on development and commercialization of products for the iOS platform. It is not related only to development language/environment but also content. Apple censors and decides what can and what cannot be put in their (should be their customers)

Re: [Pharo-project] cog vm for iOS

2011-05-26 Thread Esteban Lorenzano
In the long run we are all dead ;) (sorry, I couldn't resist it) El 26/05/2011, a las 2:20p.m., Toon Verwaest escribió: Clearly Apple has a restrictive police on development and commercialization of products for the iOS platform. It is not related only to development language/environment

Re: [Pharo-project] cog vm for iOS

2011-05-26 Thread Randal L. Schwartz
Toon == Toon Verwaest toon.verwa...@gmail.com writes: In the long term I think Android will win this championship. Toon +1... but don't say it too loudly; it might wake up the fanboys ;) As long as the UI designers in the open source camp are few and far between (yes, gimp, I'm looking at

Re: [Pharo-project] cog vm for iOS

2011-05-26 Thread Casimiro de Almeida Barreto
Em 26-05-2011 14:40, Randal L. Schwartz escreveu: (...) Toon +1... but don't say it too loudly; it might wake up the fanboys ;) As long as the UI designers in the open source camp are few and far between (yes, gimp, I'm looking at you), I don't think Apple has much to worry about. Apple

Re: [Pharo-project] cog vm for iOS

2011-05-26 Thread Randal L. Schwartz
Casimiro == Casimiro de Almeida Barreto casimiro.barr...@gmail.com writes: Casimiro Anyways, I just don't think that leaving Android aside is a Casimiro good idea. And on that, we can agree. -- Randal L. Schwartz - Stonehenge Consulting Services, Inc. - +1 503 777 0095 mer...@stonehenge.com

Re: [Pharo-project] cog vm for iOS

2011-05-26 Thread Markus Fritsche
About Android: A Squeak version by Andreas Raab (proof of concept) made it to the market, but seems to be unmaintained. Is there any information, about how it was done, what the caveats are and how this might leverage smalltalk development on Android? The poor man's android application in Pharo

Re: [Pharo-project] cog vm for iOS

2011-05-26 Thread Casimiro de Almeida Barreto
Em 26-05-2011 19:28, Markus Fritsche escreveu: About Android: A Squeak version by Andreas Raab (proof of concept) made it to the market, but seems to be unmaintained. Is there any information, about how it was done, what the caveats are and how this might leverage smalltalk development on

[Pharo-project] cog vm for iOS

2011-05-26 Thread Chris Cunnington
About Android: A Squeak version by Andreas Raab (proof of concept) made it to the market, but seems to be unmaintained. Is there any information, about how it was done, what the caveats are and how this might leverage smalltalk development on Android? http://code.google.com/p/squeak-android-vm/

[Pharo-project] cog vm for iOS

2011-05-25 Thread Steve Wirts
Hi All, Sorry if this topic has been covered in a previous email, I couldn't find anything conclusive so I'm posting it for my own clarity. I am a smalltalk programmer at heart but have been working in java at a java shop for sometime. Recently there's been a very strong directive from

Re: [Pharo-project] cog vm for iOS

2011-05-25 Thread Igor Stasenko
On 25 May 2011 16:22, Steve Wirts stevewi...@gmail.com wrote: Hi All, Sorry if this topic has been covered in a previous email, I couldn't find anything conclusive so I'm posting it for my own clarity. I am a smalltalk programmer at heart but have been working in java at a java shop for

Re: [Pharo-project] cog vm for iOS

2011-05-25 Thread Stéphane Ducasse
the regulation of apple makes that JIT are forbidden. Now you can run pharo Cog Stack (no JIT) interperter. We would support any speed improvements that help in that direction. We are planning to clean event handling and other in that perspective. Stef On May 25, 2011, at 4:22 PM, Steve Wirts

Re: [Pharo-project] cog vm for iOS

2011-05-25 Thread Steve Wirts
so a version purely for inhouse/research/educational use isn't likely to be created? On Wed, May 25, 2011 at 10:57 AM, Stéphane Ducasse stephane.duca...@inria.fr wrote: the regulation of apple makes that JIT are forbidden. Now you can run pharo Cog Stack (no JIT) interperter. We would

Re: [Pharo-project] cog vm for iOS

2011-05-25 Thread Stéphane Ducasse
so a version purely for inhouse/research/educational use isn't likely to be created? Why not. But so far what is the microprocessor of ipad if this is not an intel then it means that the assembly generation has to be done and our plate is full. Stef On Wed, May 25, 2011 at 10:57 AM,

Re: [Pharo-project] cog vm for iOS

2011-05-25 Thread Esteban Lorenzano
Well... I'm going to use this post to talk a bit about Pharo in iOS, because it is more complex than having a vm working But first, a summary of where we stand: 1) The Stack VM is working with iPhone/iPad, but needs some minor adjustments (some tuning). One problem here is that I didn't

Re: [Pharo-project] cog vm for iOS

2011-05-25 Thread Hilaire Fernandes
A third option could be to build a polymorph theme for iPAD. This is an intermediate option I discussed a bit with Bert, to do a DrGeo port for iPAD. Frankly speaking if someone is interested to work with me on that direction we may be able to produce something in our range and useful for the

Re: [Pharo-project] cog vm for iOS

2011-05-25 Thread Esteban Lorenzano
Sorry, but no, this is not an option. A theme will never pass the apple quality check :( Esteban El 25/05/2011, a las 1:22p.m., Hilaire Fernandes escribió: A third option could be to build a polymorph theme for iPAD. This is an intermediate option I discussed a bit with Bert, to do a DrGeo

Re: [Pharo-project] cog vm for iOS

2011-05-25 Thread Esteban Lorenzano
mmm... I'm seeing dr. geo (never did before, he), and I think a version of it as a single screen, like a game, who can popup cocoa dialogs (for copyright, etc.) could work. More or less a mix of first approach with John's approach. It can work for Dr.Geo but that is still a specific case...

Re: [Pharo-project] cog vm for iOS

2011-05-25 Thread Hilaire Fernandes
I have no idea how hard it is to pass the apple check. It can indeed temper any effort doing a theme. Hilaire Le 25/05/2011 18:29, Esteban Lorenzano a écrit : Sorry, but no, this is not an option. A theme will never pass the apple quality check :( Esteban El 25/05/2011, a las 1:22p.m.,

Re: [Pharo-project] cog vm for iOS

2011-05-25 Thread Serge Stinckwich
On Wed, May 25, 2011 at 11:22 PM, Hilaire Fernandes hilaire.fernan...@gmail.com wrote: A third option could be to build a polymorph theme for iPAD. This is an intermediate option I discussed a bit with Bert, to do a DrGeo port for iPAD. Frankly speaking if someone is interested to work with me