Re: [Pharo-users] Pharo productivity

Sure but the deployment issue is orchestration. The distribution of functionality works along the available resources. The example machine Sven mentioned (32 cores, 96 MB) is worth nothing if you have a lot of instances and spindle hard discs. It is an act of finding the balance that uses the

Re: [Pharo-users] Pharo productivity

> On 30 Nov 2015, at 22:08, Norbert Hartl wrote: > > true. We use them a lot Good to know, we're currently deploying an upgrade to our server park, all new machines (32 cores, 96 Gb RAM each) will be running many LXC/LXD instances, probably using ZFS for their storage.

Re: [Pharo-users] Pharo productivity

true. We use them a lot +1 Norbert > Am 30.11.2015 um 21:48 schrieb Sven Van Caekenberghe : > > LXC/LXD containers are much nicer, IMHO, as they look and feel like a regular > VM, yet are way more efficient. > >> On 30 Nov 2015, at 21:43, Esteban A. Maringolo

Re: [Pharo-users] Pharo productivity

Yes but are they working as nicely on Macs and Win boxes running Dockermachine? Phil On Mon, Nov 30, 2015 at 9:48 PM, Sven Van Caekenberghe wrote: > LXC/LXD containers are much nicer, IMHO, as they look and feel like a > regular VM, yet are way more efficient. > > > On 30 Nov

Re: [Pharo-users] Pharo productivity

:) Well, looking at all the isolation containers I still have doubts that isolation is working as expected. There are many influences that make containers less independent. Prominent candidate is (as always) I/O that has the ability to slow down everything. But let's talk! I always appreciate

Re: [Pharo-users] Pharo productivity

https://github.com/Geal/pharo-seaside-docker-example https://www.clever-cloud.com/blog/guests/2015/01/05/smalltalk-in-the-cloud/ Phil On Mon, Nov 30, 2015 at 9:43 PM, Esteban A. Maringolo wrote: > Do you have a recipe to put Pharo in a Docker container? > Esteban A.

Re: [Pharo-users] Basic versioning of GitHub repositories from within Pharo

Hi, Le 29 nov. 2015 à 20:00, Dimitris Chloupis a écrit : > And there lies the trap. > > If you end up making something that works with everything, you will create > something that just works with everything instead of something that works > very well with one thing. could be. But we do not

Re: [Pharo-users] Basic versioning of GitHub repositories from within Pharo

Well, personally, I far prefer Mercurial. Which also dethroned SVN. Mercurial has all the power of Git, while providing a more usable API. My mind works like a Smalltalker's, not like Linus's. It's true, some of the more abstruse functions of git require a longer chain of user actions in

Re: [Pharo-users] Basic versioning of GitHub repositories from within Pharo

We want a system of small objects with loose-coupling, and simple webs of message-sends. This allows us power, flexibility, maintainability *and* the opportunity to accommodate new requirements. We always need to bear this in mind. Build for the inevitable changes of environment and changes of

Re: [Pharo-users] Basic versioning of GitHub repositories from within Pharo

Hi, On 29/11/15 14:00, Dimitris Chloupis wrote: And there lies the trap. If you end up making something that works with everything, you will create something that just works with everything instead of something that works very well with one thing. Right now Git is by very far the undisputed

Re: [Pharo-users] Sharing data between images

Hi, I'm using STON, precisely for its textual nature, because for collaborative writing it would be nice to have a diff friendly storage format. Still I haven't had the time to make my ston grafoscopio notebooks diff friendly when long lines appear (they're treated by fossil as binaries) but

Re: [Pharo-users] [Pharo-dev] Pharo Consortium New Gold Member: Thales

It is extremely weird that this got into the thread about new consortium member, as I was replying to “[Pharo-dev] Java Future”… > On 30 Nov 2015, at 15:27, Yuriy Tymchuk wrote: > > You can start a “Future of Pharo” discussion on a Java mailing list :) > > Cheers. > Uko

[Pharo-users] PharoJS Status

Hi All, I'd like to start messing around with PharoJS. Can anybody tell what the status is? (Stable, broken, etc.) And, which Pharo version should I use for this? Craig

Re: [Pharo-users] PharoJS Status

Just tested with a fresh image and it worked. Noury > On 30 Nov 2015, at 16:37, Andy Burnett > wrote: > > >>> Craig said > Hi All, > > I'd like to start messing around with PharoJS. Can anybody tell what > the status is? (Stable, broken, etc.) > > And,

Re: [Pharo-users] PharoJS Status

>>> Craig said Hi All, I'd like to start messing around with PharoJS. Can anybody tell what the status is? (Stable, broken, etc.) And, which Pharo version should I use for this? <<< I have just started playing with it. I have had some difficulty getting a running image. Following the

Re: [Pharo-users] Basic versioning of GitHub repositories from within Pharo

Hi, On 30/11/15 12:34, Dimitris Chloupis wrote: let me give you the thinking of someone that comes from another language "What is this ? Ah Pharo What features it has ? Ah thats some nice cool features, live coding looks sweet How about version control ? Hmm no its too weak and their website

Re: [Pharo-users] PharoJS Status

I just loaded PharoJS into a fresh v5 image,  and I also had the DNU message until I loaded the NewExternalWebBrowser package.  Craig Sent from Samsung Mobile Original message From: Noury Bouraqadi Date:2015/11/30 5:48 PM (GMT+02:00) To: Any question

Re: [Pharo-users] Sharing data between images

I do, but I have not made them diff friendly, because I store "documents" on them, so is easy to have long lines inside them that are treated as binaries in my DVCS (fossil). Sven have told me some approaches to deal with this, but I haven't had the time to explore them. Cheers, Offray On

Re: [Pharo-users] [ANN] breakpoints and watchpoints working

> On 28 Nov 2015, at 08:03, Marcus Denker wrote: > >> >> >> Is there a way to query all breakpoints like a query of senders of #halt? > > you can search for the senders of #break. > > But as class Breakpoint has a list of all active breakpoints, we add a >

Re: [Pharo-users] How fuel deals with circular reference ?

ah this is very good news for me thanks. I really like Fuel, well done guys, looks very well designed. Yeah feature wise I dont care about something advanced, If I need something much more advanced I will use a proper database. I am slightly surprised that none or at least AFAIK has not create a

Re: [Pharo-users] Basic versioning of GitHub repositories from within Pharo

just for the usual note, thats my personal opinion and in no way try to discourage people just offer a different perspective to this. I always welcome any effort to improve pharo in any way, even for ways I dont care about so much. So keep up the amazing work you guys are doing with Pharo. On

Re: [Pharo-users] How fuel deals with circular reference ?

ah very nice client you had :) Thank you Mariano very much will take a deep look into it and I am sure will be back with more questions, its fascinating. On Mon, Nov 30, 2015 at 7:54 PM Mariano Martinez Peck wrote: > On Mon, Nov 30, 2015 at 2:42 PM, Dimitris Chloupis

Re: [Pharo-users] Sharing data between images

you wanna version control your STON files ? sound reasonable. On Mon, Nov 30, 2015 at 6:56 PM Offray Vladimir Luna Cárdenas < off...@riseup.net> wrote: > Hi, > > I'm using STON, precisely for its textual nature, because for > collaborative writing it would be nice to have a diff friendly storage

Re: [Pharo-users] Basic versioning of GitHub repositories from within Pharo

let me give you the thinking of someone that comes from another language "What is this ? Ah Pharo What features it has ? Ah thats some nice cool features, live coding looks sweet How about version control ? Hmm no its too weak and their website for hosting repos is problematic in many cases Maybe

Re: [Pharo-users] [ANN] breakpoints and watchpoints working

> >>> but a problem you could be aware is setting a break once in >>> InputEventFetcher>>signalEvent: , and then moving the mouse, the image >>> hangs. >>> >> Thanks, we will investigate. The “once” breakpoint triggers a recompile >> before opening the debugger. >> but of course the devil

[Pharo-users] Pharo productivity

I have been using Pharo somewhat less in my current projects. Nevertheless, I needed a tool done fast and behaving correctly. Did it the TDD way with Pharo. Great experience. Great productivity. No messing around with external libraries, modules... 64-bit Linux compatibility would really help

Re: [Pharo-users] Pharo productivity

Do you have a recipe to put Pharo in a Docker container? Esteban A. Maringolo 2015-11-30 17:34 GMT-03:00 p...@highoctane.be : > I have been using Pharo somewhat less in my current projects. > > Nevertheless, I needed a tool done fast and behaving correctly. > > Did it the TDD

Re: [Pharo-users] Pharo productivity

LXC/LXD containers are much nicer, IMHO, as they look and feel like a regular VM, yet are way more efficient. > On 30 Nov 2015, at 21:43, Esteban A. Maringolo wrote: > > Do you have a recipe to put Pharo in a Docker container? > Esteban A. Maringolo > > > 2015-11-30

Re: [Pharo-users] PharoJS Status

Can the people that have it working provide some tips please. I have the pink PharoJS workspace open, am I correct in understanding that the results of any evaluation is this workspace should show-up in the browser? At this point nothing shows-up in the browser. Craig On 2015-11-30 21:16,

Re: [Pharo-users] Pharo productivity

cool :) but those scripts can be easily improved: Gofer it url: ‘filetree:///home/deploy’; package: ‘WebCounter’; package: ‘HelloWorldApp’; load. stdout << 'WebCounter installed'; lf. ZnZincServerAdaptor startOn: 8080. WAAdmin register: WebCounter

Re: [Pharo-users] [ANN] breakpoints and watchpoints working

On Tue, Dec 1, 2015 at 4:32 AM, Marcus Denker wrote: > >> but a problem you could be aware is setting a break once in InputEventFetcher>>signalEvent: , and then moving the mouse, the image hangs. >>> Thanks, we will investigate. The “once” breakpoint

Re: [Pharo-users] PharoJS Status

Hi Craig, First you should check the tests and run them 1 by 1. Your default browser should open and you should see a PharoJS logo following a websocket log. If that is working correctly then you have loaded all needed sources and your image should be fine. There is general problem with the

Re: [Pharo-users] [Pharo-dev] Machine Learning algorithms

Great initiative Klerisson ! This is better to talk on the pharo-users I guess. There is a project called SciSmalltalk where a lot of mathematics libraries are already available that might be useful for ML algorithms. Please join us on https://github.com/SergeStinckwich/SciSmalltalk Mailing

Re: [Pharo-users] Pharo Consortium New Gold Member: Thales

can you try to do it using chrome or firefox? (I’m trying to determine if this is an “old time bug” I saw…) (this sites -association, consortium- need some serious work, I’m afraid… and no time right now :( ) cheers, Esteban > On 01 Dec 2015, at 01:14, John Pfersich

[Pharo-users] When exactly an object gets deleted from the system ?

I am wondering when an instance of a class is garbage collected and deleted from the system. is there a way to manually deleted it ?

Re: [Pharo-users] When exactly an object gets deleted from the system ?

Le 30/11/2015 11:40, Dimitris Chloupis a écrit : > I am wondering when an instance of a class is garbage collected and > deleted from the system. > > is there a way to manually deleted it ? If there is no Object that reference your object you can force a Garbage collect with "Smalltalk

Re: [Pharo-users] When exactly an object gets deleted from the system ?

> On 30 Nov 2015, at 11:55, Ferlicot D. Cyril wrote: > > Le 30/11/2015 11:40, Dimitris Chloupis a écrit : >> I am wondering when an instance of a class is garbage collected and >> deleted from the system. >> >> is there a way to manually deleted it ? > > If there is

Re: [Pharo-users] Pharo Consortium New Gold Member: Thales

Great news! For everyone not directly involved in the Consortium: The money collected from memberships go towards the infrastructure of Pharo in form of engineering time. This is a key effort to make Pharo a sustainable platform for the long run. That is why these pieces of news are so

Re: [Pharo-users] When exactly an object gets deleted from the system ?

Hi, > On 30 Nov 2015, at 11:40, Dimitris Chloupis wrote: > > I am wondering when an instance of a class is garbage collected and deleted > from the system. > > is there a way to manually deleted it ? no, that beats the purpose of a garbage collector. but… it should

Re: [Pharo-users] When exactly an object gets deleted from the system ?

and of course you are both correct , I have a circular reference, basically an object A referencing object B which references object A. No wonder why is not gc. Thanks for helping me out spotting this. On Mon, Nov 30, 2015 at 12:56 PM Ferlicot D. Cyril wrote: > Le

Re: [Pharo-users] How fuel deals with circular reference ?

Both Fuel and STON deal correctly with circular references and structure sharing. However, and this is an important difference, since FUEL is saving everything it sees (everything your objects point to), it often saves a lot (way more than you expect). STON (and JSON, XML, ..) are much less

[Pharo-users] Help needed: old issues issue tracker entries

Hi, The issue tracker has 658 open issues. This number is more or less constant. We are fixing and integrating *a lot*, alone the last 7 days we managed to close 89 issue tracker entries. But the older entries see not much work. Of course one reason is that everything fixable gets fixed and

Re: [Pharo-users] [Moose-dev] Re: graph library in Pharo

I'll look at the GraphViz bridge, however I would prefer direct solution. So if I don't anything else I will start implementing it myself (considering the total amount of work I will most likely start with algos that are (awfully) slow, but easier to implement (I need at lest something))

Re: [Pharo-users] [Moose-dev] graph library in Pharo

Unfortunately, there is nothing else I know about. But, if you would implement such algorithms, it would be a great addition. Would you consider implementing it as part of the Moose-Algos project or part of Roassal? Cheers, Doru > On Nov 30, 2015, at 2:43 PM, Peter Uhnák

[Pharo-users] #storeOn: question

Hi, SortedCollection>>storeOn: seems to have a little problem since it does not store sortBlock and the used super-method (in Collection) uses #add: which uses sortBlock and their default uses #<=, hence if the elements are not comparable via #<=, but need a special sortblock, one gets an

Re: [Pharo-users] How fuel deals with circular reference ?

On Mon, Nov 30, 2015 at 8:41 AM, Dimitris Chloupis wrote: > I have a class A that has an instance variable the references an instance > of Class B , but also Class B has an instance variable the references an > instance of Class A. Basically its a GUI that references its

Re: [Pharo-users] graph library in Pharo

Yes, I see your point. Some years ago, GraphViz was bridged with Mondrian / Roassal. I do not know whether GraphViz would solve your problem or not. OSProcess was used then. Let us know how you plan to continue on that front. This is very important. Alexandre --

Re: [Pharo-users] #storeOn: question

Werner, > On 30 Nov 2015, at 15:15, Werner Kassens wrote: > > Hi, > SortedCollection>>storeOn: seems to have a little problem since it does not > store sortBlock and the used super-method (in Collection) uses #add: which > uses sortBlock and their default uses #<=, hence

Re: [Pharo-users] [ANN] breakpoints and watchpoints working

When doing [Add break once] on RubTextEditor>>selectWord, then double-clicking on any word in the Nautilus code pane, the debugger that pops up shows all temporary variables are nil, which seems wrong. Can someone confirm this behaviour? cheers -ben On Sat, Nov 28, 2015 at 7:03 PM, Marcus Denker

Re: [Pharo-users] [Pharo-dev] Pharo Consortium New Gold Member: Thales

You can start a “Future of Pharo” discussion on a Java mailing list :) Cheers. Uko > On 30 Nov 2015, at 12:27, Tudor Girba wrote: > > Great news! > > For everyone not directly involved in the Consortium: > The money collected from memberships go towards the

Re: [Pharo-users] #storeOn: question

On Mon, Nov 30, 2015 at 11:23 AM, Sven Van Caekenberghe wrote: > Werner, > > > On 30 Nov 2015, at 15:15, Werner Kassens wrote: > > > > Hi, > > SortedCollection>>storeOn: seems to have a little problem since it does > not store sortBlock and the used

Re: [Pharo-users] #storeOn: question

Hi Sven, i see, then i'll simply forget it (i asked, because i halfway expected that). thanks for that info. werner On 11/30/2015 03:23 PM, Sven Van Caekenberghe wrote: I am not so sure the #storeOn: / #readFrom: mechanism is still being maintained. I am not using it in any case, I thought

Re: [Pharo-users] [ANN] breakpoints and watchpoints working

> On 30 Nov 2015, at 11:23, Ben Coman wrote: > > When doing [Add break once] on RubTextEditor>>selectWord, then > double-clicking on any word in the Nautilus code pane, the debugger > that pops up shows all temporary variables are nil, which seems wrong. > Can someone

Re: [Pharo-users] How fuel deals with circular reference ?

Yes I have read the docs on how to use Fuel on how to use it and how to exclude things I dont want to be stored in fuel file, I was just curious. As a matter of fact I like deep copies. Is it ok to use Fuel to make my own , super light, database ? Just a way to manage and port my objects between

Re: [Pharo-users] How fuel deals with circular reference ?

On Mon, Nov 30, 2015 at 11:40 AM, Dimitris Chloupis wrote: > Yes I have read the docs on how to use Fuel on how to use it and how to > exclude things I dont want to be stored in fuel file, I was just curious. > As a matter of fact I like deep copies. > > Is it ok to use