About the Microsoft documentation of SOAP-RPC ... see
SoapRpcMethodAttributeClass and the example,
go to:
HYPERLINK
"http://msdn.microsoft.com/library/default.asp?url=/library/en-us/cpref/
html/frlrfsystemwebservicesprotocolssoaprpcmethodattributeclasstopic.asp
"http://msdn.microsoft.com/libr
> >> I'd really like stuff like this to build out of the box in PHP.
> >> Bundling expat was great because we didn't have to think about it
> >> anymore. My impression is that libxml2 is rarely installed by default
> >> (GNOME still uses 1.8 for instance). But I guess we'll have to deal
> >> wit
Rasmus Lerdorf wrote:
> Ok, [EMAIL PROTECTED] now exists. If it turns out that a general "web
> services" list is needed, we'll create that, but for more let's simply
> move all the SOAP-specific discussion to the [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing
> list.
>
> Subscribe to it by sending a subscribe reque
At 01:39 24/05/2002, Rasmus Lerdorf wrote:
>Well, HTML is an intrical part of the Web and I don't see how that can be
>compared to SOAP at all. In order for SOAP to be part of the Web it needs
>to conform to the HTTP protocol and to the concepts that defines the Web.
>It doesn't do that at all to
Ok, [EMAIL PROTECTED] now exists. If it turns out that a general "web
services" list is needed, we'll create that, but for more let's simply
move all the SOAP-specific discussion to the [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing
list.
Subscribe to it by sending a subscribe request to
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-Rasmus
At 16:21 23/05/2002 -0700, Shane Caraveo wrote:
>So this is what I propose...
>
>setup [EMAIL PROTECTED] for further conversation.
Yep.
>As a starting point
>
>PEAR::SOAP is a script wrapper around a C level extension. It's
>available in absence of the C extension, and for additional featur
So this is what I propose...
setup [EMAIL PROTECTED] for further conversation.
As a starting point
PEAR::SOAP is a script wrapper around a C level extension. It's
available in absence of the C extension, and for additional features
that don't make sence to implement in C, or for fast exten
At 02:04 24/05/2002 +0300, Andi Gutmans wrote:
>I think the point Zeev was making is that in real life these days many
>decision makers are looking for the web services buzz word when choosing a
>technology. Telling them "PHP supports web services" can only be a good
>thing in the fight against
I think the point Zeev was making is that in real life these days many
decision makers are looking for the web services buzz word when choosing a
technology. Telling them "PHP supports web services" can only be a good
thing in the fight against MS and other giants. In many people's perception
> At 00:08 24/05/2002, Rasmus Lerdorf wrote:
> >I really don't like the term Web Services. SOAP is an RPC mechanism and
> >has nothing to do with the web despite what M$ would like to have you
> >think.
>
> I think that's kind of like saying HTML has nothing to do with the web, but
> anyway, perc
At 15:36 23/05/2002 -0700, brad lafountain wrote:
>--- "Stig S. Bakken" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > On Fri, 2002-05-24 at 00:10, brad lafountain wrote:
> > >
> > > --- "Stig S. Bakken" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > > On Thu, 2002-05-23 at 23:28, brad lafountain wrote:
> > > > > One reason i
On Thu, 23 May 2002 15:27:00 -0700, Shane Caraveo wrote:
>Markus Wolff wrote:
>> The best thinkable solutions would be:
>> a) Bundle a library like PEAR::SOAP with PHP that is modified in a
>>way that it automatically detects if the xmlrpc-epi extension is
>>installed. If so, PEAR::SOAP o
--- "Stig S. Bakken" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Fri, 2002-05-24 at 00:10, brad lafountain wrote:
> >
> > --- "Stig S. Bakken" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > On Thu, 2002-05-23 at 23:28, brad lafountain wrote:
> > > > One reason is xmlrpc doesn't have everything that goes along with soap.
On Thu, 23 May 2002 20:08:48 +0200, Lukas Smith wrote:
>It sounds to me like something like webservices.php.net would be in
>order.
I don't think that having yet another subdomain does make much
sense. Actually I prefer to have documentation for whatever
comes out of this discussion in the PHP o
Unless some work has been done on it, I found it very lacking. Many
things are hardcoded in C that would make it hardly interoperable with
other implementations.
Shane
> In fact, xmlrpc-epi also supports SOAP:
>
> ---[SNIP]---
> As of Sept. 27, 2001, experimental support for SOAP v 1.1 has b
Markus Wolff wrote:
> Stig S. Bakken said:
>
>>PHP already has SOAP support bundled in the xmlrpc extension, which
>>is built upon the xmlrpc-epi library that we bundle. Why can't
>>people improve that instead of re-inventing more wheels in all
>>shapes and sizes? When we bundle a library, we s
brad lafountain said:
> One reason is xmlrpc doesn't have everything that goes along with
> soap. meaning WSDL UDDI WebServiceSecurity.
>
> and as far as i understand that xmlrpc doesn't work on windows.
>
> and with some benchmarks phpsoap so far was 3 times as fast as
> xmlrpc.
In fact, xmlrpc-
On Fri, 2002-05-24 at 00:10, brad lafountain wrote:
>
> --- "Stig S. Bakken" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > On Thu, 2002-05-23 at 23:28, brad lafountain wrote:
> > > One reason is xmlrpc doesn't have everything that goes along with soap.
> > > meaning WSDL UDDI WebServiceSecurity.
> >
> > WSDL
On Thu, 2002-05-23 at 23:38, Markus Wolff wrote:
> Stig S. Bakken said:
> > PHP already has SOAP support bundled in the xmlrpc extension, which
> > is built upon the xmlrpc-epi library that we bundle. Why can't
> > people improve that instead of re-inventing more wheels in all
> > shapes and size
--- "Stig S. Bakken" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Thu, 2002-05-23 at 23:28, brad lafountain wrote:
> > One reason is xmlrpc doesn't have everything that goes along with soap.
> > meaning WSDL UDDI WebServiceSecurity.
>
> WSDL can be implemented through the introspection stuff in ext/xmlrpc.
On Thu, 2002-05-23 at 23:28, brad lafountain wrote:
> One reason is xmlrpc doesn't have everything that goes along with soap.
> meaning WSDL UDDI WebServiceSecurity.
WSDL can be implemented through the introspection stuff in ext/xmlrpc.
It's just about describing/documenting the available inter
> Stig S. Bakken said:
> > PHP already has SOAP support bundled in the xmlrpc extension, which
> > is built upon the xmlrpc-epi library that we bundle. Why can't
> > people improve that instead of re-inventing more wheels in all
> > shapes and sizes? When we bundle a library, we should use it.
>
Stig S. Bakken said:
> PHP already has SOAP support bundled in the xmlrpc extension, which
> is built upon the xmlrpc-epi library that we bundle. Why can't
> people improve that instead of re-inventing more wheels in all
> shapes and sizes? When we bundle a library, we should use it.
>
> - Stig
Well my extension i was going for a solid implmentation of soap that could run
out of the box. With many features and tightly intergrated with zend and other
extensions like domxml and php-streams. I think my extension has some value
here. I would like to see my soap be the soap implementation tha
to:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Thursday, May 23, 2002 11:19 PM
> To: Stig S. Bakken
> Cc: phpsurf; Markus Wolff; Lukas Smith; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: RE: [PHP-DEV] Re: [PEAR-DEV] SOAP, XMLRPC and WSDL
>
> Stig,
> I am not keeping up with which PHP SOAP implementations are complete
Sent: Thursday, May 23, 2002 11:29 PM
> To: Stig S. Bakken; Andi Gutmans
> Cc: phpsurf; Markus Wolff; Lukas Smith; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: RE: [PHP-DEV] Re: [PEAR-DEV] SOAP, XMLRPC and WSDL
>
> One reason is xmlrpc doesn't have everything that goes along with
soap.
>
> I really don't like the term Web Services. SOAP is an RPC mechanism and
> has nothing to do with the web despite what M$ would like to have you
> think.
Why not let M$ marketing money work for us? I had an easier task selling a
project when I said that PHP could talk to "web services". What re
One reason is xmlrpc doesn't have everything that goes along with soap.
meaning WSDL UDDI WebServiceSecurity.
and as far as i understand that xmlrpc doesn't work on windows.
and with some benchmarks phpsoap so far was 3 times as fast as xmlrpc.
- Brad
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> > -Original Message-
> > From: Rasmus Lerdorf [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> > Sent: Thursday, May 23, 2002 11:08 PM
> > To: Andi Gutmans
> > Cc: Shane Caraveo; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
At 00:08 24/05/2002, Rasmus Lerdorf wrote:
>I really don't like the term Web Services. SOAP is an RPC mechanism and
>has nothing to do with the web despite what M$ would like to have you
>think.
I think that's kind of like saying HTML has nothing to do with the web, but
anyway, perception is ev
ginal Message-
> From: Rasmus Lerdorf [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Thursday, May 23, 2002 11:08 PM
> To: Andi Gutmans
> Cc: Shane Caraveo; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] Re: [PEAR-DEV] SOAP, XMLRPC and WSDL
>
> I really don't like the term Web Services.
Stig,
I am not keeping up with which PHP SOAP implementations are complete and
which are not. I guess I am confused like many of our users.
I didn't say we should reinvent the wheel. All I said is that everyone
should get together and standardize PHP's SOAP support and get it
documented and adv
PHP already has SOAP support bundled in the xmlrpc extension, which is
built upon the xmlrpc-epi library that we bundle. Why can't people
improve that instead of re-inventing more wheels in all shapes and
sizes? When we bundle a library, we should use it.
- Stig
On Thu, 2002-05-23 at 17:52, A
Then go for soap, that's fine too.
The most important thing is that we manage to get good SOAP support into
PHP which will work out of the box and can be documented officially in the
manual.
Andi
At 14:08 23/05/2002 -0700, Rasmus Lerdorf wrote:
>I really don't like the term Web Services. SOAP
I really don't like the term Web Services. SOAP is an RPC mechanism and
has nothing to do with the web despite what M$ would like to have you
think.
-Rasmus
On Fri, 24 May 2002, Andi Gutmans wrote:
> As I mentioned earlier I am a big +1 for it.
> Probably php-webservices@ is even better as it
As I mentioned earlier I am a big +1 for it.
Probably php-webservices@ is even better as it covers more and sounds good :)
Andi
At 11:05 23/05/2002 -0700, Rasmus Lerdorf wrote:
>So do we want a [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list? I can set it up if
>you say the word.
>
>-Rasmus
>
>On Thu, 23 May 20
it
> w/ soapbuilders list.
> 2. implement solid document-oriented messaging support (doc/lit) into brad's
> extension.
>
> dietrich
>
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Shane Caraveo [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> > Sent: Thursday, May 23, 2002 11:
oc/lit) into brad's extension.
dietrich
> -Original Message-
> From: Shane Caraveo [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Thursday, May 23, 2002 11:04 AM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] Re: [PEAR-DEV] SOAP, XMLRPC and WSDL
>
>
>
> I would be happy t
+1 :-)
On Thu, May 23, 2002 at 11:21:39AM -0700, Shane Caraveo wrote :
> I would say go for it, but I want to hear from some others first to know
> that I wont be talking to myself on an email list ;)
>
> Shane
>
> Rasmus Lerdorf wrote:
> >So do we want a [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list?
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Thursday, May 23, 2002 8:24 PM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] Re: [PEAR-DEV] SOAP, XMLRPC and WSDL
>
> Ugh, can't stand 'web services'. But anyway, I think this information
> needs to go into regular documentat
Ugh, can't stand 'web services'. But anyway, I think this information
needs to go into regular documentation on php.net and pear.php.net
first, then if there is realy a need for it expand into an additional site.
Shane
Lukas Smith wrote:
> It sounds to me like something like webservices.php.ne
I would say go for it, but I want to hear from some others first to know
that I wont be talking to myself on an email list ;)
Shane
Rasmus Lerdorf wrote:
> So do we want a [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list? I can set it up if
> you say the word.
>
> -Rasmus
>
> On Thu, 23 May 2002, Shane Carave
: Re: [PHP-DEV] Re: [PEAR-DEV] SOAP, XMLRPC and WSDL
>
> So do we want a [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list? I can set it up
if
> you say the word.
>
> -Rasmus
>
> On Thu, 23 May 2002, Shane Caraveo wrote:
>
> >
> > I would be happy to lead the effort on
2 7:58 PM
> To: Shane Caraveo
> Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] Re: [PEAR-DEV] SOAP, XMLRPC and WSDL
>
> Am Thu, 23 May 2002 10:44:36 -0700 schrieb Shane Caraveo
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>
> > SOAP::Lite has the same problem, in fac
So do we want a [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list? I can set it up if
you say the word.
-Rasmus
On Thu, 23 May 2002, Shane Caraveo wrote:
>
> I would be happy to lead the effort on the soap front. I've spoken a
> bit with Brad about combining our efforts but got sidetracked over the
> last coupl
I would be happy to lead the effort on the soap front. I've spoken a
bit with Brad about combining our efforts but got sidetracked over the
last couple weeks so haven't followed up on that. I'm also not sure
whether Deitrich is tied to NuSphere with his work, it'd be nice if we
could get hi
Am Thu, 23 May 2002 10:44:36 -0700 schrieb Shane Caraveo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> SOAP::Lite has the same problem, in fact with simple stuff we've done at
> work it's proven to be less interoperable that PEAR::SOAP when it comes
> to dealing with .Net. Python is also very lacking in the SOAP are
Markus Wolff wrote:
> Am Thu, 23 May 2002 17:12:34 +0200 schrieb "Lukas Smith" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>
>
>>So feature-wise is PHP on par with SOAP::Lite?
>>From what I have heard people seemed to have talked quite favourably
>>about SOAP::Lite.
>>
>>I assume documentation-wise PHP lags behind.
>
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> > -Original Message-
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Am Thu, 23 May 2002 18:03:43 +0200 schrieb "Lukas Smith" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> I think it would make sense to create such a mailinglist.
> As I am still fairly busy with working on a merge of Metabase and PEAR
> DB called MDB (blatant plug :-) ) I can't spend as much time as I would
> wish on th
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> Subject: RE: [PHP-DEV] Re: [PEAR-DEV] SOAP, XMLRPC and WSDL
>
> I think it'
I think it's important to have a main stream soap implementation bundled
with PHP and not a zillion different implementations floating around.
If there is enough interest we could setup a Soap mailing list where
interested people could cooperate possibly basing the "official" PHP Soap
implement
hi
brad lafountain is working on a Soap extension which is not far from being
stable.
he made a good use of WSDL ...
you should have look to http://phpsoaptoolkit.sourceforge.net/phpsoap/
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