On Thursday 05 September 2013 13:25:33 Thomas Pfeiffer wrote:
> On 20.08.2013 07:06, Martin Graesslin wrote:
> > I do want to promote KWin for the usage in LXDE/Razor as in the next
> > version we will hardly have any build-time dependencies from frameworks
> > higher than tier1. I'm concerned that
On 19.08.2013 21:56, Aaron J. Seigo wrote:
Hi...
after seeing the Nth time that we don’t know if the next release will be
called Plasma Workspaces 2 or something else, i’d like to find consensus on
this point so we can move forward in communication with confidence.
the first point that we’ve al
On 20.08.2013 07:06, Martin Graesslin wrote:
I do want to promote KWin for the usage in LXDE/Razor as in the next version
we will hardly have any build-time dependencies from frameworks higher than
tier1. I'm concerned that a generic name "Plasma" would work against that as
it would be difficult
On Friday 30 August 2013 19:44:40 Aaron J. Seigo wrote:
> If we say that “KDE Plasma” makes “Plasma” too much “KDE”, then we are
> creating a real problem for ourselves: nothing can use “KDE” in conjunction
> with its project name since that too would suggest exclusivity.
There's another thing into
On Friday, August 30, 2013 19:44:40 Aaron J. Seigo wrote:
> If we say that “KDE Plasma” makes “Plasma” too much “KDE”, then we are
> creating a real problem for ourselves
+1.
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On Saturday, August 31, 2013 13:35:27 Marco Martin wrote:
> The one thing that i would really love to get away with tough is replacng
> the conception of "for" KDE (and therefore unusable everywhere else as
> "KDE" was a different operating system altogether) with "by" KDE
This is something some o
On Friday 30 August 2013, Aaron J. Seigo wrote:
>
> Without KDE being a brand with value, we lose one of the larger reasons to
> add your project to the KDE galaxy of products.
>
> We need to move “KDE” into the direction of being our “Toyota” or “Sony”.
> Just because there is a Toyota Camry doe
On Friday, August 23, 2013 11:50:20 Marco Martin wrote:
> On Thursday 22 August 2013 23:20:11 Giorgos Tsiapaliokas wrote:
> > KDE, for instance the most references in plasma active are
> > "Plasma Active" and not "KDE Plasma Active", but PA doesn't have any
> > distance from KDE. I believe that pro
Hello to all,
> To me is the contrary,.. what is now plasma+kwin gets seenn by people as
> "the"
> KDE
>
> if becomes just "Plasma", then become "a" desktop by KDE, not "the" KDE
> desktop, would be more a normal citizen,
> making room for instance Razor+Lxde to become another desktop by KDE
+1
On Thursday 22 August 2013 23:20:11 Giorgos Tsiapaliokas wrote:
> KDE, for instance the most references in plasma active are
> "Plasma Active" and not "KDE Plasma Active", but PA doesn't have any
> distance from KDE. I believe that projects take some distance
> from "KDE" when they stop referring t
On Wednesday, August 21, 2013 20:40:09 Valorie Zimmerman wrote:
> audience, such as the KDE-Community list. KDE-devel, KDE-core-devel and
> KDE-Promo are some of the other possibilities to at least ping about a such
> an important conversation happening.
Yes, I have a purposeful habit of doing exa
On 22 August 2013 21:26, David Edmundson wrote:
> One thing that wasn't clear to me on the original proposals and has just
> been mentioned by Giorgos is the prefix "KDE".
>
> KDE is not just "the community" but also "an umbrella brand for the
> technology created by the KDE community" [0].
> I h
My thoughts below.
- Dropping the term "workspace":
Seems sensible to me. It even seems this was the original intention [0].
- Calling it version 2.
This makes a lot of sense, having a software compilation of KDE Plasma 5.x
and KDE Applications 5.y, where x and y are different would be very very
Hello,
with the "chaotic" nature of (future) release cycles for individual
components the "date version number" format (for example "2013.08") is
probably a good idea :)
If I am not mistaken it was actually you (Martin G.) who initially
suggested that :)
On Thu, Aug 22, 2013 at 7:50 PM, Martin
On Wednesday 21 August 2013 20:38:05 Martin Graesslin wrote:
> On Monday 19 August 2013 21:56:35 Aaron J. Seigo wrote:
> > Other proposals, ideas, tweaks to the above most welcome, but let’s try to
> > come to a consensus on this matter before the end of this month.
>
> another idea: let's drop th
On Thursday 22 August 2013 20:36:24 Giorgos Tsiapaliokas wrote:
> Hello,
>
> On 21 August 2013 12:49, Marco Martin wrote:
> > My vote would go for Plasma.
>
> +1, just "Plasma" without "KDE".
>
> On 21 August 2013 21:38, Martin Graesslin wrote:
> > another idea: let's drop the version number
Hello,
On 21 August 2013 12:49, Marco Martin wrote:
>
> My vote would go for Plasma.
>
+1, just "Plasma" without "KDE".
On 21 August 2013 21:38, Martin Graesslin wrote:
>
> another idea: let's drop the version number completely and only use it
> internally (bugtracker, libs, etc.)
>
I was t
2013/8/21 Martin Graesslin :
> On Wednesday 21 August 2013 19:36:21 Daniel Nicoletti wrote:
>> [...]
>> Ok, then what am I doing wrong in calling my stuff KDE stuff?
>> http://manifesto.kde.org/benefits.html lists what I do on my
>> projects, I was arguing about Martin saying that I talk KDE as sof
On Wednesday 21 August 2013 19:36:21 Daniel Nicoletti wrote:
> 2013/8/21 Sebastian Kügler :
> > On Wednesday, August 21, 2013 17:12:10 Daniel Nicoletti wrote:
> >> 2013/8/21 Martin Graesslin :
> >> > Yes I noticed that for example you still talk about KDE as software in
> >> > your
> >> > blog post
Hi Plasma folks,
This thread has been fascinating reading. I hope that after you reach a
tentative conclusion, that you make a proposal to a list with a wider KDE
audience, such as the KDE-Community list. KDE-devel, KDE-core-devel and
KDE-Promo are some of the other possibilities to at least ping
2013/8/21 Sebastian Kügler :
> On Wednesday, August 21, 2013 17:12:10 Daniel Nicoletti wrote:
>> 2013/8/21 Martin Graesslin :
>> > Yes I noticed that for example you still talk about KDE as software in
>> > your
>> > blog posts. To be honest I have to cringe if I read it, because it makes
>> > the
On Wednesday 21 August 2013 14:39:36 Rick Stockton wrote:
>
> BTW, as a (mostly) end-User, I'm fine (and prefer) Plasma-2. But KDE
> without "base" SC Releases will tend to fragment Distro content
> selection, right?
sorry, I have to be a bit tedious here :p
isn't this material for a completely d
I wonder: If KDE will not define and Release an internally consistent
'SC' anymore, then how should packagers differentiate between "Minor
Version" and "Point Release Updates" for their end users?
I understand the use of an RPM or Deb name such as "Task-KDE-Plasma"
used as a collection, defining
On Wednesday, August 21, 2013 17:12:10 Daniel Nicoletti wrote:
> 2013/8/21 Martin Graesslin :
> > Yes I noticed that for example you still talk about KDE as software in
> > your
> > blog posts. To be honest I have to cringe if I read it, because it makes
> > the task of everyone more difficult who
2013/8/21 Martin Graesslin :
> Yes I noticed that for example you still talk about KDE as software in your
> blog posts. To be honest I have to cringe if I read it, because it makes the
> task of everyone more difficult who tries to work on the repositioning of the
> brand.
Well if I write an app u
On Wednesday 21 August 2013 15:58:03 Daniel Nicoletti wrote:
> 2013/8/21 Martin Graesslin :
> > On Wednesday 21 August 2013 13:52:06 Daniel Nicoletti wrote:
> >> 2013/8/21 Martin Graesslin :
> >> > On Wednesday 21 August 2013 11:29:52 Daniel Nicoletti wrote:
> >> > this might change. Consider Razor
2013/8/21 Martin Graesslin :
> On Wednesday 21 August 2013 13:52:06 Daniel Nicoletti wrote:
>> 2013/8/21 Martin Graesslin :
>> > On Wednesday 21 August 2013 11:29:52 Daniel Nicoletti wrote:
>> > this might change. Consider Razor/LXDE joining the KDE umbrella. What
>> > then?
>> > From one day to an
On Monday 19 August 2013 21:56:35 Aaron J. Seigo wrote:
> Other proposals, ideas, tweaks to the above most welcome, but let’s try to
> come to a consensus on this matter before the end of this month.
another idea: let's drop the version number completely and only use it
internally (bugtracker, lib
On Wednesday 21 August 2013 13:52:06 Daniel Nicoletti wrote:
> 2013/8/21 Martin Graesslin :
> > On Wednesday 21 August 2013 11:29:52 Daniel Nicoletti wrote:
> >> My 2c,
> >>
> >> On KDE 4 aka KDE SC 4, plasma was always just plasma,
> >> no user says I'm using the plasma shell (as there isn't anot
2013/8/21 Martin Graesslin :
> On Wednesday 21 August 2013 11:29:52 Daniel Nicoletti wrote:
>> My 2c,
>>
>> On KDE 4 aka KDE SC 4, plasma was always just plasma,
>> no user says I'm using the plasma shell (as there isn't another
>> KDE option).
> this might change. Consider Razor/LXDE joining the K
On Wednesday 21 August 2013 11:29:52 Daniel Nicoletti wrote:
> My 2c,
>
> On KDE 4 aka KDE SC 4, plasma was always just plasma,
> no user says I'm using the plasma shell (as there isn't another
> KDE option).
this might change. Consider Razor/LXDE joining the KDE umbrella. What then?
>From one da
2013/8/21 Marco Martin :
> On Wednesday 21 August 2013, Daniel Nicoletti wrote:
>> My 2c,
>>
>> On KDE 4 aka KDE SC 4, plasma was always just plasma,
>> no user says I'm using the plasma shell (as there isn't another
>> KDE option).
>
> Incidently, the whole SC stuff, was never intended for marketi
On Wednesday 21 August 2013, Daniel Nicoletti wrote:
> My 2c,
>
> On KDE 4 aka KDE SC 4, plasma was always just plasma,
> no user says I'm using the plasma shell (as there isn't another
> KDE option).
Incidently, the whole SC stuff, was never intended for marketing and public
communication, but
My 2c,
On KDE 4 aka KDE SC 4, plasma was always just plasma,
no user says I'm using the plasma shell (as there isn't another
KDE option).
I think even if Plasma is numbered after 2, users will still say
they have installed KDE 5 or KDE SC 5, the marketing imo
must go to the whole SC 5 and not to
On Monday 19 August 2013, Aaron J. Seigo wrote:
>
> Other proposals, ideas, tweaks to the above most welcome, but let’s try to
> come to a consensus on this matter before the end of this month.
>
> then we can all move forward in confidence together, whatever it is we
> decide.
after thinking ab
On Monday, August 19, 2013 21:56:35 Aaron J. Seigo wrote:
> given that we are moving to a “grand unified shell” approach where the
> different user experiences flow seamlessly from one to the next, it may
> make sense to drop the concept that there is such huge differentiation that
> they are the “
On Monday, August 19, 2013 21:56:35 Aaron J. Seigo wrote:
[ snipperdeesnip ]
> “KDE’s Plasma workspaces come in Desktop, Netbook, Tablet and
> Mediacenter
> flavours...”
>
> “KDE’s Plasma provides user experiences for desktop, netbook, tablet,
> ..”
>
> given that we are moving to a
On Tuesday, August 20, 2013 10:56:41 Marco Martin wrote:
> On Tuesday 20 August 2013, Aaron J. Seigo wrote:
> >
> > That’s also what I see in the openSuse packages.
> >
> > So, yes, I got the # wrong .. it’s 3, not 5 currently .. so we’d end up
> > with 4 unless we skip it go to 5. Still, the “numb
On Tuesday 20 August 2013, Aaron J. Seigo wrote:
>
> That’s also what I see in the openSuse packages.
>
> So, yes, I got the # wrong .. it’s 3, not 5 currently .. so we’d end up
> with 4 unless we skip it go to 5. Still, the “number used in the name
> doesn’t match the version number of ” commen
On Tuesday 20 August 2013 09:56:59 Aaron J. Seigo wrote:
> one tempting idea is to promote “Plasma Active” up as the name used for all
> the workspaces ...
I would vote against "Plasma Active" as that might end up at the users (and
media and they can get it wrong big times) as we drop the desktop
On Tuesday, August 20, 2013 07:06:10 Martin Graesslin wrote:
> On Monday 19 August 2013 21:56:35 Aaron J. Seigo wrote:
> > 3. â2â ... why âtwoâ if this is version 5? well, libplasma is
actually
> > going to be version 6 iirc, so it isnât the library. i also am not a big
> > believer in b
On Monday 19 August 2013 21:56:35 Aaron J. Seigo wrote:
> 3. ‘2’ ... why “two” if this is version 5? well, libplasma is actually going
> to be version 6 iirc, so it isn’t the library. i also am not a big believer
> in branding after version numbers. neither are any of our proprietary
> competitors
On Monday, August 19, 2013 23:08:15 Marco Martin wrote:
> On Monday 19 August 2013, Kevin Ottens wrote:
> > On Monday 19 August 2013 21:56:35 Aaron J. Seigo wrote:
> > > 3. ‘2’ ... why “two” if this is version 5? well, libplasma is actually
> > > going to be version 6 iirc, so it isn’t the library.
On Monday 19 August 2013 23:08:15 Marco Martin wrote:
> On Monday 19 August 2013, Kevin Ottens wrote:
> > On Monday 19 August 2013 21:56:35 Aaron J. Seigo wrote:
> > > 3. ‘2’ ... why “two” if this is version 5? well, libplasma is actually
> > > going to be version 6 iirc, so it isn’t the library.
>
On Monday 19 August 2013, Kevin Ottens wrote:
> On Monday 19 August 2013 21:56:35 Aaron J. Seigo wrote:
> > 3. ‘2’ ... why “two” if this is version 5? well, libplasma is actually
> > going to be version 6 iirc, so it isn’t the library.
>
> Not that its relevant for the rest of the discussion, but
On Monday 19 August 2013 21:56:35 Aaron J. Seigo wrote:
> 3. ‘2’ ... why “two” if this is version 5? well, libplasma is actually going
> to be version 6 iirc, so it isn’t the library.
Not that its relevant for the rest of the discussion, but as the library
number itself is concerned you can make
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