I wouldn't recommend the use of the snapshot (i.e. code from the main
trunk) at the moment. I (and that means the viewer code:) is concentrating
on the 1.2 release, so the plucker_1_2 branch contains the current (and
working) code.
Although, I could add the ability to do snaps of
How about posting the info on how to get it out of the tree for us cvs
newbies... ;)
Nothing magical, standard cvs commands:
cvs -z3 -d:pserver:[EMAIL PROTECTED]:/cvs/plucker \
co plucker -r plucker_1_2
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I don't think Kevin meant a new mailing list, but a different kind of
list, i.e. a web-based list of tasks. I don't know how much that will
help, though, but I guess it's worth a try.
I've suggested a forum style thingy in the past, so
cvs server: cannot find module `plucker_1_2' - ignored
cvs [checkout aborted]: cannot expand modules
Also, did not like -r in the middle like that... moved it to the
beginning.
My original syntax was wrong (and from memory), this is correct:
cvs -z3 -d:pserver:[EMAIL
It's ready to be posted up, along with a project file (a text
makefile-type dohicky for MSVC.)
Put it online so we can see it.
Should I pass it by anyone for review, style-checking, etc? Or just check
them into CVS in the plucker_desktop/docs area?
If only you were so
When you start your own mailing list (or write your own program) you can
use your own standard ;-)
That's the great thing about standards.. there's so many to choose
from.
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Maybe we should post a message now and then with etiquette guidelines to
the mailing lists...
Or a link to one.. I'll drop something about it on the Mailing
List section of the new site. Good call.
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You're preaching to the chior here, Mike. Perhaps that's why I responded
to your earlier message the way I did - you're lumping me in with
AOL-users, for example, when it isn't merited.
My name isn't Mike, and I don't think Mike would
Latex, SGML, other?
I am partial to SGML right now, but I'm not the deciding vote.
If not Latex, can we convert the existing documentation to the new format
by some converter?
Ideally, no. The docs should be walked through page by page. I'm
willing to do that, once I get
If it's not been decided, I would vote against SGML, as the DTDs tend to
get overwhelming quickly.
Not if you use the standards. Look at FAQ.sqml and the comments
provided at the top. Very standard... on purpose.
Maintaining SGML is often almost as big an effort as maintaining the
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I just got my first exception ever in the viewer today. It requires a
soft reset and is very repeatable. Only one page in the 600k pdb appears
to do this. If anyone is interested in taking a look at it, I'll email it
along with instructions
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Yes, but could you also consider doing a web interface. Away from my home
machine, I'd find it easier to complete an online form and then either
download the pdb as a next step or have it sent to my mailbox.
This is exactly what
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Frankly, I never figured anyone would ever put owner_id_build in a
configuration file, but would only use it from the command-line. I forgot
just how paranoid a lot of folks out there are.
I notice the latest Python distiller still uses
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maybe we could allow customisation - like winamp, where you just read the
image for the bar from a bitmap, making the menubar an imagemap. this
bitmap could be converted on a desktop machine to pdb, etc, etc...
You mean like the big_icon
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I'd like to go easy on fancying things up, as I have to replicate the
parsing functionality in libunpluck.
Agreed, let's work on flattening the options and agreeing on what
means what (--title vs. -N vs. doc_name et al) and start there.
Apparently on Windows os.path.expanduser doesn't do quite what one might
hope. Some Windows user will have to come up with a fix for this. I
can put in a check and error out, though.
Does Windows expand $HOME to something usable? Perhaps $HOME/.pluckerrc
instead of the standard
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Nope. Here's all you have to work with on Win2K (without using cygwin):
Well, not ALL you have, you can set anything you want in %ENV
USERNAME=Edward Rayl
USERPROFILE=C:\Documents and Settings\Edward Rayl
Looks like
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I use sitescooper and plucker to scoop some common files. In the past
week or so the pluckered file for the comic The Amazing Spider-Man has
been generated, but is no longer able to be sync'd to my Palm Vx. The
other files being generated are
Unfortunatly, the trouble with that is becuase everything is being
written to the screen as an image (not as text), the original content of
the text is lost and has to be re-rendered just to get what the user
highlighted. Ultimatly, under the current implementation it would be a
nightmare,
Sorry to be doctrinaire on this, but it's really the only manageable way
to handle this as Plucker usage grows.
That's why it was implemented.
Tracking bugs on the three lists was getting too hard for all of us
to follow and continue to provide useful feedback and
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I think its an image issue, or something changed, becuase it used to work
a week ago :)
I didn't change anything on the site at all, all of my time has been
devoted to getting the other site up and the tools hooked into it.
O6 on
Exactly how do I go about getting things to work now? There's no
plucker-build in the destination location and I continue to get the same
error.
rm -Rf $PYTHON_PATH/site-packages/PyPlucker
Remove all remnants of the previous PyPlucker install.
d.
Re: delete all remenants of the old plucker
^ Note, I said PyPlucker,
not plucker
Hmm. That means that to test out the beta, which may or may not work for
me, I have to destroy the working version of plucker.
OK, then let's just not lock down the release branches. That should do
the same thing. Is the point to encourage more bug fixes to existing
releases?
Once we release a version, the branch gets tagged and frozen, and no
code can get committed to _that_ branch again. Fixes to that
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What would you say about using a system similar to Linux, i.e. a permanent
stable branch and a permanent development branch? Stable versions would
have even numbers and the experimental versions would use odd numbers.
Something I've been
Unfortunatly, different versions of identify output their data in
different formats. Can you post the output from:
What's interesting is that I tried this, and with -V1 and
imagemagick set as my parser, pointed directly at that single image, the
image is converted properly. If I use
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You can edit the HTML body tag to set the link color on a per-page
basis...
Not if I don't have access to the (remote) HTML..
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You can already do that by adding anchor_color to different sections, e.g.
Ah right, I forget about that, but it still requires me to modify
~/.pluckerrc to make that work, so I can't easily change it for a one-time
action or a single pluck. It's a minor issue, but everything available
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Is there an option for that? I couldn't really find something in the
documentation.
$ cat ~/.pluckerrc | grep anchor
anchor_color = blue
I'm sure there's a similar define for the Windows users also.
Bill, can
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Bill, can this be passed runtime as an argument?
I don't think it should be in there at all. This should be done in the
viewer, not the parser.
It is done in the viewer, but my idea is more along the lines of
setting the link
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The viewer only uses document, never database.
It's important to note the distinction:
Plucker's viewer uses document
Palm itself, uses database to note the .pdb file that includes
Plucker documents.
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On my system (Slackware 7.0) gmake is a link to make... so it's ok.
Default debian unstable doesn't have it. AC_PROG_GMAKE or some such
could be an easier way. Always allow for a graceful fallback. Let autoconf
do the work for you. I
The problem is that the install-script will be run *before* the configure
script ;-)
I haven't looked at it in awhile, but why not just use autogen.sh
and have it do the configure.in checks, and populate a $MAKE environment
variable, which your install-script can pick up? Call it
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The install-script runs the configure script and not the other way around,
so that won't work.
My point was that you could use a script called 'install' which
would then bootstrap autogen/autoconf to find the necessary libs and tools
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Let's make sure we get them all nailed down before we release it.
I should elaborate on that:
- Documentation (so we can put it online and also as a pdb)
- Update the FAQ
- Update the NEWS file
- Create
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I'm not sure when this behavior changed, but now it's a bit
cumbersome to use with current plucker-built documents.
When I'm plucking a site, and the site has a logo at the top, for
example the Cincinnati Spine institute[1], the
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Is this supposed to be a marketing tactic, or an unbiased
comparison?
Both =)
But Plucker also requires Zlib, correct?
No, not required, but helpful.
And python on the computer the parser runs on. That's not
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This reminds me, I've often wondered if anyone has though about putting
any effort into creating a C version of the parser?
I've suggested using what's already out there a few dozen times. The
best and most robust piece of code in C with
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Would you prefer supported markup tag parameters like A MAXDEPTH= and
HR color= in the DBFormat file, or would you prefer a separate
document with all the currently supported parameters for each tag that an
author can use?
Eventually
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I just noticed a few things while testing some content in 1.2b9 and
the parser that comes with it.
1.) PIL doesn't natively support 8bpp in python-imaging version
1.1.3 from Debian Unstable. This was tested using
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XHTML, you mean? DBFormat is already in XHTML. The part I find
uneditable is the User Manual in Latex...
No, I mean SGML.. which can render anything you want, pdf, HTML,
XHTML, etc. LaTeX can be a bit painful, but that's how we started
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Aren't the id's assigned directly by palm? this is extremely bad form.
what can we do about it?
No they are not assigned by Palm.
Each developer is encouraged (not required) to register their own
Creator ID to ensure that
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Does that Bluefish atrocity use 'Plkr' too? Are they _still_ using
Plucker code in violation of the GPL?
The investigation of the ongoing use of Plucker source in the
Bluefish/MercuryGuide/TechXNY/etc. products is still ongoing. We're
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One good thing about JPEG is that all the new sony's will have built in
decompressors for these files,. adding support would be easy if its
already set to understand jpeg within the viewer.
Can we hope they'd Do The Right Thing(tm) and
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[EMAIL PROTECTED] is the list where the developers usually
chat about the inner workings of plucker. If you have any end-user
queries, I suggest read the manual first, then subscribe to
[EMAIL PROTECTED] and post your question there.
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Is it worth the trouble to learn Plucker. Is it really better than
avantgo?
I should put up an AvantGo vs. Plucker shootout page sometime. Let's
go over some of the high-level points:
1. Plucker has two forms of compression
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ever growing, .. will never be done :)
Consider them added, I'll put up an article on the new site
detailing them. There's a few latent articles missing, one of the most
important is the interview I did with Mark Lillywhite over IRC awhile
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As I work on the last of the new website sections, the most
interactive of the bunch.. I've developed a need to determine/detect what
type of compression a given Plucker document holds, without installing it on
the Palm device. The same
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Do they provide or make available the source to their modified viewer if
you download or buy their product? If so, what is illegal?
All requests by us for the MercuryGuide code are referred to
Bluefish Wireless for resolution by them.
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Run at least with --verbosity=2, so we can see the stack trace. Thanks.
That _was_ with -V2... V3 reports exactly the same level of
verbosity (with imagemagick). This behavior changes when you select netpbm
as the parser, however.
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Links are only colored if either (a) the document explicitly says to color
them, or (b) the user defines anchor-color in their config file (sorry
about that American spelling, Robert :-).
Can we make this 'anchor_color' to match similar
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I can't seem to get away with My Yahoo though as it returns a reply saying
I am not accepting cookies. How can I get around this.
You can't, not with that URL.
Yahoo recently moved to a cookie mechanism, which Plucker (via
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Silly question, but wouldn't it be prudent to put beta downloads as links
on the website? Even in the news section, listing the changes inbetween
betas would be nice.
Yes, and I'm working on that. Developers (us) should soon be allowed
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I was helping an OSX user today with a netpbm problem using
pluck-comics. Having never used it before, I decided to poke around with
pluck-comics and see if I could replicate the issue.
I found a couple of slight issues with
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I guess it was Webster's Unabridged Dictionary I tried to convert 18
months ago ;-)
Took about 58 seconds to parse here on the existing python parser on
verbosity -V0. I didn't try to load it, because I don't have the space =)
d.
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It can be downloaded as one big file at
Done!
[11276755 refs]
real16m41.256s
user16m35.530s
sys 0m5.330s
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We are starting portal which serves customized content of pages and we
want to generate content in Plucker format (with iSilo). And this is
critical for it - why users should use Plucker, if it doesn't work
correctly?
Since when does
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I've been debugging the python parser a bit more with some local
files a user referred me to for a medical reference guide. There are 26522
straight .html files, and I'm not doing anything exotic with them, and all
of these reference local
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Moving files without losing the revision history is slightly complicated
in CVS. Create a new directory for these new viewers instead.
I can help you with this. I restructured the entire pilot-link
directory structure in cvs without
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doc_file = E:\HTTP Web\GregMartyn\plucker\preplucked\SlashDot
Is there any chance that doc_file will support full paths in the future?
Did you try a path without a space, like C:\Temp, instead, to assist
in debugging the source of the
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The /a asu.edu part is a messup on slashdot's side, right? Or is that
allowed?
Not allowed, invalid HTML.
d.
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I tried to pluck that huge set of medical files for Guylhem, and
found that it returns another Unhandled exception, this time '521'. I'm
using the latest beta, latest parser in cvs. Is this problem getting more
frequent? I'm not using
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521 = 0x209 = dmErrCorruptDatabase
Odd.. the database works fine, just not when I tap on the links that
happen to be _AT_ $maxdepth. If I specify maxdepth=2, then these last set of
off-site links will throw the exception.
d.
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Forwarded on Jason's behalf
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I would have responded to this sooner, but I just moved, and do not yet have
connectivity at home. That's also why I'm using this crappy web-based
mailer, so apologies for the formatting.
Anyway, to the point...
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throw an Unhandled exception, error code = 32770
The link record is corrupt so the uncompress function fails...
I saw a few commits in the past week, but the latest parser, latest
viewer combination do not seem to solve this problem.
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I have some changes to Plucker that I'd like to submit. Do I need a
user/pass for the CVS, or should I send the updates to someone else?
Send them to any of us for review, or to the list, is preferred, so
others can benefit from them and
Forwarded.. I don't think this person is on the mailing lists.
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Date: Sat, 25 May 2002 13:58:11 +0200
From: Tarapat [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: plucker
I have problem with localization in Poland user 2 different code pages
iso-8859-2 and cp-win (on
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I did some debugging here on a local fetch, and noticed that if I
fetch slashdot's articles, but use a --stayonhost argument, any links beyond
my maxdepth when tapped throw an Unhandled exception, error code = 32770
and then exit the
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I will object and not only because it adds bloat, but even more because I
don't see any reason to support proprietary formats in the viewer.
I'm definately not suggesting we add the capability to _read_ these docs
from Plucker,
I was
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The current situation is sub-optimal. The scope isn't even limited to the
17 document readers as data can be held in the database programs too
(especially common in reference subjects like medicine).
Exactly, which furthers my point that
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Any problems with this?
Yes, absolutely nothing will recognize the file if you do this.
You'll have to rename the files from Wired.plkr to Wired.pdb before Palm
Desktop, pilot-link, J-Pilot, whatever will recognize them. What ever would
we
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Only David can fix this problem, i.e. it requires root access to the
server. Right now, you can't even run 'cvs update' without getting this
error.
Something must have stuffed it up when he committed 'explode'. I
just nuked the existing
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How about --hyphenation-threshold=N, where N==0 would disable hyphenation?
How about just --hyphenate or --hyphenation, where the absence of
that argument disables hyphenation. Let's not forget that a similar tool
must exist in the
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BTW, I found the following Unofficial 5 Minute Guide to using Plucker on
the 'net,
http://www27.brinkster.com/zipzilla/pluckerhowto/plucker.html
I'll add a link to this from the Linux part of the website.
I just found this
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Before our great Plucker team disapears for the summer vacation on some
exotic island :)
Not this year, I already drained that option in Grenada.
I'd like to pose a question about pdf documents. I noticed that plucker
server provides a
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% cd tools
% mkdir explode
% cvs add explode
[...populate explode with a few files...]
You forgot a few steps here:
% cvs add explode/files_you_added
% cvs commit -m new directory for explode program explode
cvs
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I have put a new beta at http://www.sslug.dk/~micke/plucker/beta/
WOO! New beta to test and make some screenshots of!
(incidentally, I need some Sony screenshots for the website.. Adam?
Someone else with a working Sony POSE and
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unless we should just clobber them automatically and overwrite each time
a new one is released.
That's what I do at sslug.dk. I just scp a new batch of binaries to the
directory overwriting the previous version.
Then that is what I
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Also included is a sample program, explode, which will explode a Plucker
document into a directory of HTML and JPEG.
Doesn't decode.py do this already? This sounds useful in any case.
I thought a few folks (Robert?) might want to play
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So we'd get more accurate Web usage of Plucker if we had a Plucker
extension.
Accurate how? I think that's the piece I'm missing.
d.
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Folks, I'd like to suggest we start using a standard extension of .plk for
Plucker documents.
I'd like to amend this to include .plk and .plkr, with .plkr taking
precedence of course, with the .plk for those braindead platforms that can't
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The Windows Palm stuff requires .prc or .pdb.
That is a Palm limitation, you _can not_ install anything on the
Palm unless it has an extension of .prc, .pdb, or .pqa, currently, unless
you copy it to the external expansion card using
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But what good really would it do once that's supported?
For us, on Linux/Unix? Nothing..
I would assume just to upload the file up to the palm, but the hotsync
program itself only supports pdc, pdb, pqa as valid extensions.
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Was taking a run through of some i-mode sites today, such as
http://www.japantoday.com/e/i/ and some others. It seems that i-mode has
about 35 million users now, so I thought I would see what the story was,
and its possibility of expanding the
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I think the target attribute of A element tells what frame the link should
load the page into. If had a frame called main, and some links down
side have a target of main then would cause loading into a new frame.
There are also a few special
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I'm brand new to this list, however, and couldn't find any appropriate
documentation on the plucker website, so: what is the best way to submit
this change, and does it need to go through some kind of review?
Send it to the list as an
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Found the source of the rumour: the Qt Palmtop Environment devel list.
I'm not sure if they're moving ahead with it or not, but be aware that
people are watching your development! :-)
I talked to the guys yesterday, three of them claim
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So. Rumour has it that the upcoming release of Konqueror Embedded (a web
browser for the Qt Palmtop Environment or Qtopia) supports Plucker format.
Any confirmation from Plucker itself? :-)
The latest Konqueror Embedded source snapshot
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Since we cannot modify the hotsync protocol... yes :)
Not true... and may be required soon. You can replace the HotSync
protocol entirely, with a palm-resident, desktop-compatible replacement, and
then hook it to the cradle button and
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Better than the last... stay tuned!
d.
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I tried to use plucker and found the following error. I am attaching the
= home.html and the description file along. Please help.
What distro?
What version of Python?
What version of Plucker?
d.
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Interesting review of another competitor on Infosync, iSilo 3.1. The
three things I notice are: CSS support, real tables, and support for
reading DOC pdbs and .txt files on a memory card.
iSilo has a totally different userbase and needs. For us, I think
the top things we need to
I was just oding some work on the mysql tables that are behind the
bug tracker (bugs.plkr.org), and noticed that there are twenty-two (22) bugs
marked as 'Resolved' in Plucker at the moment, but not 'Closed'.
Can some kind soles check out the bugs marked 'Resolved' in the bug
i cheked out source from cvs but there is no configure script. using
1.1.12 script did not help either.
cvs never should contain static configure scripts, since those are
generated dynamically. You need to run 'sh ./autogen.sh' to generate the
proper configuration and files.
dd.
I put http://www.quake2.com/finger/index.html on my Plucker home page,
and it downloads everything, but the actual finger queries.
finger is not http or web, in fact. Plucker doesn't support
finger queries.
dd.
Thanks to the hard work of Curtis A. Weyant, docs.plkr.org is now
updated with the latest documentation. I will try to automate this in the
very near future to create the docs automagically out of cvs when new docs
are committed.
Great work Curtis!
dd.
For those who want to talk to some Plucker users and developers
real-time, I've set up an irc server for any questions, comments, rants,
patches, new sites to pluck, or whatever.
Security is very important to us, so every user on the server's
domain is hidden, and there's no
Might be interesting to take a look at this viewer competition...
Very interesting indeed..
I've been thinking a lot about some things related to the direction
of Palm, Plucker's direction, and some other things we're doing. Here's a
quick rundown of some ideas I've been
I was whacking away at a Pluck for the NewsBlaster site I posted a
day or two ago, and noticed an interesting buglet in Copy URL (well two,
one is cosmetic/aesthetic).
Two small screenshots are attached to this message. The first is the
url as seen in the copy url form
I managed to get plucker working on Mac OS X, probably due to the fact
that I have all sorts of packages installed from GNU-Darwin and fink,
two Mac OS X-based distribution mechanisms.
As I understand it, it should work natively with MacPython.
pilot-link may or may not work, I
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