Re: [PLUG] What Comes After Unix?

> > > I was recently reading an article that claimed Linux is insecure, because > > of it's monolithic kernel codebase: > > > https://threatpost.com/researchers-blame-monolithic-linux-code-base-for-critical-vulnerabilities/136785/ > > I read the article. The big takeaways for me are: 1. "They foun

Re: [PLUG] Replace the CPU

On Thu, 13 Sep 2018 12:32:45 -0700 Tomas Kuchta dijo: >On mSATA - current generation of laptops/desktops use NVMe instead. It >looks the same (except the notches), but it is much faster (2-3x) and >it is not backwards compatible with mSATA. My current laptop has a 512GB mSATA drive which contain

Re: [PLUG] What Comes After Unix?

Google "worse is better" for a famous paper on the general subject. On Thu, Sep 13, 2018, 12:51 Tomas Kuchta wrote: > I would google up Andrew Tanenbaum versus monolithic kernel and look back > at the history of this debate. It goes back to 90s - birth of Linux. > > I am not going to judge it th

Re: [PLUG] What Comes After Unix?

I would google up Andrew Tanenbaum versus monolithic kernel and look back at the history of this debate. It goes back to 90s - birth of Linux. I am not going to judge it theoretically on a principle. Just observing the real world as it currently is - microkernel security currently comes primarily

Re: [PLUG] What Comes After Unix?

Just a minor nit: Though "survival of the fittest" is the catchphrase of natural selection, "survival of the fit enough" is more accurate. https://evolution.berkeley.edu/evolibrary/misconceptions_faq.php#b6 Regards, - Robert On Thu, Sep 13, 2018 at 10:11 AM Tyrell Jentink wrote: > Fair eno

Re: [PLUG] Replace the CPU

I suspected that you will have problem with using DAS when you were looking for that while back. Most people do. That is what NAS are meant to solve. Given what you have - I suggest connecting your DAS permanently to your always on desktop or Synology NAS. Export the storage over NFS or CIFS or bo

Re: [PLUG] Replace the CPU

On Thu, 13 Sep 2018, John Jason Jordan wrote: You have a newly assembled desktop which I assume has plenty of DDR4 RAM. No, only 16GB, although easily upgraded. And at lower cost than a new laptop. I built the new desktop because its predecessor was 11 years old and starting to have issu

Re: [PLUG] Replace the CPU

On Thu, 13 Sep 2018 10:16:03 -0700 (PDT) Rich Shepard dijo: >You have a newly assembled desktop which I assume has plenty of > DDR4 RAM. No, only 16GB, although easily upgraded. >Consider using that as was suggested earlier in this thread. Desktops >tend to be faster than laptops because the la

Re: [PLUG] What Comes After Unix?

On Sep 13, 2018, at 12:11 PM, Tyrell Jentink wrote: > > ... > I guess I'm concerned that there isn't enough competition to keep the > internet safe. I'm concerned that capitalism, and the acceptance of work > flows that "Technically work, and are cheap enough to not want better" is > the enemy at

Re: [PLUG] What Comes After Unix?

On Thu, 13 Sep 2018, Tyrell Jentink wrote: Fair enough; I read a quote a few days ago, but can't find it again to properly cite... It was in reference to If Plan 9 Is Truly Better, Why Linux? And it was to the effect of "The biggest risk to Great software is Good Enough software," and that may

Re: [PLUG] What Comes After Unix?

On Thu, 13 Sep 2018, Tyrell Jentink wrote: I'm a young'n; I don't remember 4.4BSD or Research UNIX... I also come to Linux from an IT background, not a Computer Science background, and maybe I lack a certain historical perspective as a consequence. Tyrell, You're forgiven by us silverbacks.

Re: [PLUG] What Comes After Unix?

I think what may be overlooked here is that the entire premise is that a microkernel architecture is more secure because it (may) not suffer from the same problems that a monolithic kernel does. This may be true. What it doesn't address is what flaws a microkernel architecture has that a monolit

Re: [PLUG] Replace the CPU

On Thu, 13 Sep 2018, John Jason Jordan wrote: I'm sure that memory speed is part of what's constraining me, and that is one reason that I am considering a new laptop. My current laptop has DDR3 at 1600 and that's all it will take. I'm considering upgrading it from the original 16GB to 32GB, but

Re: [PLUG] What Comes After Unix?

Fair enough; I read a quote a few days ago, but can't find it again to properly cite... It was in reference to If Plan 9 Is Truly Better, Why Linux? And it was to the effect of "The biggest risk to Great software is Good Enough software," and that may be true... But getting "Stuck" on 1960s techno

Re: [PLUG] Which distribution for new user?

On 9/12/18 5:00 PM, John Jason Jordan wrote: On Wed, 12 Sep 2018 15:49:01 -0700 (PDT) Rich Shepard dijo: Less than obvious way: wget http://futurist.se/gldt/wp-content/uploads/12.10/gldt1210.svg Then there's the issue of viewing it. 'display' doesn't seem to work; inkscape might. Wget

Re: [PLUG] What Comes After Unix?

On Thu, 13 Sep 2018, Tyrell Jentink wrote: I'm a young'n; I don't remember 4.4BSD or Research UNIX... I also come to Linux from an IT background, not a Computer Science background, and maybe I lack a certain historical perspective as a consequence. I was recently reading an article that clai

Re: [PLUG] Replace the CPU

On Thu, 13 Sep 2018 05:45:13 -0700 (PDT) Rich Shepard dijo: >On Wed, 12 Sep 2018, John Jason Jordan wrote: > >> So now I have a new question: Considering that I need CPU speed, >> what is the fastest CPU currently available in laptops? >Are you sure you're constrained by CPU speed and not memo

[PLUG] What Comes After Unix?

I'm a young'n; I don't remember 4.4BSD or Research UNIX... I also come to Linux from an IT background, not a Computer Science background, and maybe I lack a certain historical perspective as a consequence. I was recently reading an article that claimed Linux is insecure, because of it's monolithic

Re: [PLUG] WHAT is the question? Re: To wiki ...

> > When/Why use a wiki for for what? What question are you asking? Why do > you > > want to use a wiki? What do you want do with it? > > > > Thought I answered that [...] > No, you did not... > It could have read: > > "My underlying problem is OS independent. However, I seek a Linux > oriented

Re: [PLUG] WHAT is the question? Re: To wiki ...

On 09/13/2018 08:08 AM, Bill Barry wrote: On Thu, Sep 13, 2018 at 12:24 PM Richard Owlett wrote: On 09/12/2018 05:50 PM, Keith Lofstrom wrote: On Tue, Sep 11, 2018 at 04:03:33PM -0500, Richard Owlett wrote: Where should I go looking? http://catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html Haven'

Re: [PLUG] WHAT is the question? Re: To wiki ...

Here's where I perceive a communication gap: I think Richard Owlett is looking for a community to support him in his (Sometimes eccentric) projects... He has many, but none are quite eccentric enough, so he is begging for us to point him to more... But he isn't ASKING that... He's asking weather o

Re: [PLUG] WHAT is the question? Re: To wiki ...

On Thu, Sep 13, 2018 at 12:24 PM Richard Owlett wrote: > On 09/12/2018 05:50 PM, Keith Lofstrom wrote: > > On Tue, Sep 11, 2018 at 04:03:33PM -0500, Richard Owlett wrote: > >> Where should I go looking? > > > > http://catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html > > > > Haven't been referred there in

Re: [PLUG] Replace the CPU

On Wed, 12 Sep 2018, John Jason Jordan wrote: So now I have a new question: Considering that I need CPU speed, what is the fastest CPU currently available in laptops? John, Are you sure you're constrained by CPU speed and not memory speed or amount? Regardless, have a looksee here:

Re: [PLUG] WHAT is the question? Re: To wiki ...

On 09/12/2018 05:50 PM, Keith Lofstrom wrote: On Tue, Sep 11, 2018 at 04:03:33PM -0500, Richard Owlett wrote: Where should I go looking? http://catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html Haven't been referred there in quite awhile ;/ A more prosaic subject line might have been: "When/Why use

Re: [PLUG] Replace the CPU

This so easy to answer: A) get any nice laptop with Linux - VNC to your desktop for speed. B) http://lmgtfy.com/?q=the+fastest+killer+laptop+in+the+world+ever All laptops are slow compared to desktop, workstation or a server powered directly from the powerplant. Lol, Tomas Seriously, what you ha