Re: OT ditching Apple products due to boycotts?

2010-05-18 Thread Ariel Gold
Sure, some of the radical rhetoric, on both sides, sounds scary, and I understand people are upset and angry. While I don't think a listserv lends to people understanding each other on a volatile issue like this, I thought I'd still share this link from the conservative think tank, the Cato

Re: OT ditching Apple products due to boycotts?

2010-05-18 Thread JD Austin
On Mon, May 17, 2010 at 21:41, Bryan O'Neal bryan.on...@theonealandassociates.com wrote: Did you not even read you cited references? Not that I am complaining. I think it was a bold move that paid off very, very, well. But denying the nature of the conflict is like saying the Civil War was

Re: OT ditching Apple products due to boycotts?

2010-05-18 Thread James Finstrom
Regardless of your political point of view or personal feelings on the issues boycotts by state are stupid and pointless. These boycotts of arizona do not affect those who affect the law. The boycotts only hurt those they are trying to protect. I am a fan of an eye for an eye but these boycotts

Re: OT ditching Apple products due to boycotts?

2010-05-18 Thread JD Austin
On Tue, May 18, 2010 at 06:58, James Finstrom jfinst...@rhinoequipment.comwrote: Regardless of your political point of view or personal feelings on the issues boycotts by state are stupid and pointless. These boycotts of arizona do not affect those who affect the law. The boycotts only hurt

Re: OT ditching Apple products due to boycotts?

2010-05-18 Thread JD Austin
All rhetoric aside... for anyone actually interested the text of the law fueling all of this debate you can read it here: http://www.azleg.gov/alispdfs/council/SB1070-HB2162.PDF --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To

Re: OT ditching Apple products due to boycotts?

2010-05-18 Thread keith smith
...@gmail.com Subject: Re: OT ditching Apple products due to boycotts? To: Main PLUG discussion list plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Date: Monday, May 17, 2010, 11:40 PM Sure, some of the radical rhetoric, on both sides, sounds scary, and I understand people are upset and angry. While I don't think

Re: OT ditching Apple products due to boycotts?

2010-05-18 Thread keith smith
I agree.  The first question one should ask when someone makes a comment is Have you read the law?.  I have and it is very tame. Keith Smith --- On Tue, 5/18/10, JD Austin j...@twingeckos.com wrote: From: JD Austin j...@twingeckos.com Subject: Re: OT ditching Apple

Re: OT ditching Apple products due to boycotts?

2010-05-18 Thread James Finstrom
someone makes a comment is Have you read the law?. I have and it is very tame. Keith Smith --- On *Tue, 5/18/10, JD Austin j...@twingeckos.com* wrote: From: JD Austin j...@twingeckos.com Subject: Re: OT ditching Apple products due to boycotts? To: Main PLUG

Re: OT ditching Apple products due to boycotts?

2010-05-18 Thread Bryan O'Neal
JD - Good I am taking this in a very light hatred manor - I was hoping it came across that way through email :) As for the American empire and current illegal activity; it does not justify the breaking of laws in any way - I was retorting to the liberal (or conservative not sure which it was)

Re: OT ditching Apple products due to boycotts?

2010-05-18 Thread JD Austin
On Tue, May 18, 2010 at 12:04, Bryan O'Neal bryan.on...@theonealandassociates.com wrote: The whole point I would like to make is that truth depends greatly on your point of view. Don't recite rhetoric, think in a logical and scientific manor, don't cloud the issue, define the problem and

Re: OT ditching Apple products due to boycotts?

2010-05-18 Thread Ariel Gold
, 5/17/10, Ariel Gold arielqg...@gmail.com* wrote: From: Ariel Gold arielqg...@gmail.com Subject: Re: OT ditching Apple products due to boycotts? To: Main PLUG discussion list plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Date: Monday, May 17, 2010, 11:40 PM Sure, some of the radical rhetoric

Re: OT ditching Apple products due to boycotts?

2010-05-18 Thread Lyle Tuttle
At 12:47 PM 5/18/2010, you wrote: So you are seriously telling me the DOJ stats, cited by the conservative CATO institute, are misinformation? I don't know yet...I did copy that info to one of the section leaders in the county Atty's office, and the immediate response was one of surprise.and

Re: OT ditching Apple products due to boycotts?

2010-05-18 Thread keith smith
but crime has not risen!    Keith Smith --- On Tue, 5/18/10, Ariel Gold arielqg...@gmail.com wrote: From: Ariel Gold arielqg...@gmail.com Subject: Re: OT ditching Apple products due to boycotts? To: Main PLUG discussion list plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Date

Re: OT ditching Apple products due to boycotts?

2010-05-18 Thread Bryan O'Neal
I agree - what I would like to see is not to allow more immigration but allow more guest workers. No rites, heavily taxed, but documented and working. On Tue, May 18, 2010 at 12:30 PM, JD Austin j...@twingeckos.com wrote: On Tue, May 18, 2010 at 12:04, Bryan O'Neal

Re: OT ditching Apple products due to boycotts?

2010-05-18 Thread JD Austin
On Tue, May 18, 2010 at 13:25, keith smith klsmith2...@yahoo.com wrote: I think you missed my point. My Point : Just because there is as much crime last year as this year does not mean there isn't a problem. It's a sad truth that few people are ever swayed by logic when the issue is

Re: OT ditching Apple products due to boycotts?

2010-05-18 Thread keith smith
...@theonealandassociates.com wrote: From: Bryan O'Neal bryan.on...@theonealandassociates.com Subject: Re: OT ditching Apple products due to boycotts? To: Main PLUG discussion list plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Date: Tuesday, May 18, 2010, 1:44 PM I agree - what I would like to see is not to allow more immigration

Re: OT ditching Apple products due to boycotts?

2010-05-18 Thread JD Austin
On Tue, May 18, 2010 at 13:44, Bryan O'Neal bryan.on...@theonealandassociates.com wrote: I agree - what I would like to see is not to allow more immigration but allow more guest workers. No rites, heavily taxed, but documented and working. This covers the above:

Re: OT ditching Apple products due to boycotts?

2010-05-18 Thread joe
While I agree that it is generally preferable to try to keep this forum as focused as possible on primarily Linux related topics ... on the other hand as long as the subject line clearly states OT ... then why not just let it run its course. Seems to me that the main thing is to just make sure

Re: OT ditching Apple products due to boycotts?

2010-05-18 Thread Lyle Tuttle
At 01:02 PM 5/18/2010, you wrote: At 12:47 PM 5/18/2010, you wrote: So you are seriously telling me the DOJ stats, cited by the conservative CATO institute, are misinformation? I don't know yet...I did copy that info to one of the section leaders in the county Atty's office, and the immediate

Re: OT ditching Apple products due to boycotts?

2010-05-18 Thread keith smith
Excellent reference! Keith Smith --- On Tue, 5/18/10, Lyle Tuttle l.tut...@cox.net wrote: From: Lyle Tuttle l.tut...@cox.net Subject: Re: OT ditching Apple products due to boycotts? To: Main PLUG discussion list plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Date: Tuesday, May

Re: [OT] ditching Apple products due to boycotts?

2010-05-17 Thread Craig White
On Tue, 2010-05-18 at 00:40 +, huerta...@gmail.com wrote: It should be marked as OT. The thread doesn't really have anything to do with Linux anymore. it never did. It does however illustrate the perceptual problem that people living elsewhere have with Arizona. Craig -- This

Re: [OT] ditching Apple products due to boycotts?

2010-05-17 Thread keith smith
Subject: Re: [OT] ditching Apple products due to boycotts? To: huerta...@gmail.com, Main PLUG discussion list plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Date: Monday, May 17, 2010, 5:49 PM On Tue, 2010-05-18 at 00:40 +, huerta...@gmail.com wrote: It should be marked as OT. The thread doesn't really

Re: [OT] ditching Apple products due to boycotts?

2010-05-17 Thread Joshua Zeidner
people living elsewhere don't have a perceptual problem with Arizona. Last time I checked over 65% of the country is in total support of us. You need to stop watching the idiot box. -jmz On Mon, May 17, 2010 at 5:49 PM, Craig White craigwh...@azapple.com wrote: On Tue, 2010-05-18 at

Re: OT ditching Apple products due to boycotts?

2010-05-17 Thread keith smith
The Tucson Unified School District is teaching La Raza classes and they teach this is AZLAN and this part of the US was stolen from Mexico.  If you do not believe me Google both. I saw this type of festering mess in Cochise County in 1981 and 1982 when a group of radicals moved into Miracle

Re: OT ditching Apple products due to boycotts?

2010-05-17 Thread Bryan O'Neal
Well... we did steal it from Mexico. In a style that is reminiscent of the Romans but is still distinctly American. In truth it is an awesome tail of we want it, we can make claim for it, we can take it, and we are so cool the rest of the world will demand you apologize to us for making us take it

Re: OT ditching Apple products due to boycotts?

2010-05-17 Thread JD Austin
On Mon, May 17, 2010 at 20:12, Bryan O'Neal bryan.on...@theonealandassociates.com wrote: Well... we did steal it from Mexico. In a style that is reminiscent of the Romans but is still distinctly American. In truth it is an awesome tail of we want it, we can make claim for it, we can take it,

Re: OT ditching Apple products due to boycotts?

2010-05-17 Thread Bryan O'Neal
Did you not even read you cited references? It is more like if I called your mama fat beat you up and then drove off down the street in your car after tossing you a few bucks and a pick of your naked sister out the window onto your limp body and then when the cops showed up made you say thank you

Re: OT ditching Apple products due to boycotts?

2010-05-17 Thread Tim Noeding
Flame wars? Really? Did you all read that linux magazine article about how the editor thinks they are enjoyable reads? from my DROID On May 17, 2010 9:41 PM, Bryan Oapos;Neal bryan.on...@theonealandassociates.com wrote: Did you not even read you cited references? It is more like if I called

Re: OT ditching Apple products due to boycotts?

2010-05-17 Thread Bryan O'Neal
Indeed I did ;) On Mon, May 17, 2010 at 10:01 PM, Tim Noeding tim.noed...@gmail.com wrote: Flame wars? Really? Did you all read that linux magazine article about how the editor thinks they are enjoyable reads? from my DROID On May 17, 2010 9:41 PM, Bryan Oapos;Neal