Re: [political-research] Re: Israel, the Neocons, Oil, Iraq and Iran

Exactly, things haven't changed a bit: the traditional American power elite and the American oil industry -- a power bloc which the neocons and Israel lobby fear and hate -- have managed profitably to extract a great deal of oil from Saudi Arabia by maintaining good relations with the Saudis --

Re: [political-research] Re: Israel, the Neocons, Oil, Iraq and Iran

Wrong: neocon military aggression in the Mideast, conducted on behalf of Greater Israelists and Likudniks, is directly contrary to American interests. The neocons are trying to ignite a worldwide holy war between the United States and most of the key energy-producing nations of the world. Outs

Re: [political-research] Re: Israel, the Neocons, Oil, Iraq and Iran

Two points: 1. Nothing was easier to predict than that the Iraqi people would violently oppose a foreign occupation of Iraq. *ALL* peoples around the world violently oppose foreign occupations -- it's human nature. I predicted long before the Iraq War started that an American invasion of Iraq

[political-research] Re: Israel, the Neocons, Oil, Iraq and Iran

Alan? rational but risky? Rational? I'd call that mad. --- In political-research@yahoogroups.com, "Alan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In political-research@yahoogroups.com, Sean McBride > smcbride2@ wrote: > >

[political-research] Re: Israel, the Neocons, Oil, Iraq and Iran

--- In political-research@yahoogroups.com, Sean McBride <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > "Sane": the pursuit of policies that achieve a successful outcome, > that improve one's position on the grand chessboard of > international politics. For instance: Adolf Hitler's invasion of > Russia was insane

[political-research] Re: Israel, the Neocons, Oil, Iraq and Iran

--- In political-research@yahoogroups.com, Sean McBride <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I've already addressed this point in some earlier messages: neocon > military aggression in the Mideast is contrary both to the > interests of the American oil industry AND to American oil and > energy interests

[political-research] Re: Israel, the Neocons, Oil, Iraq and Iran

>From the Muttitt article I just posted: (should have been on original post): http://www.globalpolicy.org/security/oil/2005/crudedesigns.htm 1. The Ultimate Prize: Anglo-American interests in Gulf oil The UK and US have long had their eyes on the massive energy resources of Iraq and the Gulf

[political-research] Re: Israel, the Neocons, Oil, Iraq and Iran

--- In political-research@yahoogroups.com, Sean McBride <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > (Note: I am worried about both global warming and peak oil. > According to some conspiracy theorists I am either a ringleader or > dupe of the NWO (New World Order). :) In my mind, what I am doing > is trying

[political-research] Re: Israel, the Neocons, Oil, Iraq and Iran

--- In political-research@yahoogroups.com, Sean McBride <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > The oil companies could get around the moral prohibitions you > mentioned by heavily funding think tanks that are dedicated to > promoting "democracy," that is, the violent imposition of a global > police state

[political-research] Re: Israel, the Neocons, Oil, Iraq and Iran

--- In political-research@yahoogroups.com, Sean McBride <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > The Linda McQuaig article you posted is one of the best pieces of > evidence yet to support the argument that we went to war in Iraq > for oil. I would like to know this, however: how many members of > Dick Chene

[political-research] Re: Israel, the Neocons, Oil, Iraq and Iran

--- In political-research@yahoogroups.com, Sean McBride <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > The main point you have been making here -- that we are close to > the precipice with regard to energy issues and resources -- I > agree with completely. Unless there is a major breakthrough in > energy techno

Re: [political-research] Re: Israel, the Neocons, Oil, Iraq and Iran

The main point you have been making here -- that we are close to the precipice with regard to energy issues and resources -- I agree with completely. Unless there is a major breakthrough in energy technology soon, over the cliff we go. Invading or not invading the Mideast will have little affe

[political-research] Re: Israel, the Neocons, Oil, Iraq and Iran

--- In political-research@yahoogroups.com, Sean McBride <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > There is absolutely nothing the Bush 43 can do now to fix the > damage to American energy interests that was "achieved" by the > Iraq War -- damned if we leave, but even more damned if we stay. > If we had simp

Re: [political-research] Re: Israel, the Neocons, Oil, Iraq and Iran

I'm still looking for the names of *ten* specific members of the oil lobby who are agitating for an American attack on Iran -- to help balance slightly the names of hundreds of neoconservatives and members of the Israel lobby who have been doing so. How I read this story: weak talking points, d

[political-research] Re: Israel, the Neocons, Oil, Iraq and Iran

Hmmm. Nine bucks a gallon? Enough to crash the dollar and the U.S. economy. Badly. Probably unrecoverably. Can anyone see motive, here? Are Porter, Petraeus, Crocker, al-Hashimi, Saleh, and all the rest, hopelessly in the thrall of Zionist propaganda and LYING about this to scare us? Possible. B

Re: [political-research] Re: Israel, the Neocons, Oil, Iraq and Iran

At the moment, the last message in the group from my screen is #24892 -- on measuring the empiricism quotient of posters. LeaNder <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Odd technical problems on the Yahoo group boards After I answered your mail from Mark Urban, this is the las

[political-research] Re: Israel, the Neocons, Oil, Iraq and Iran

Odd technical problems on the Yahoo group boards After I answered your mail from Mark Urban, this is the last mail in political-research. It was different before I answered. -jo --- In political-research@yahoogroups.com, Sean McBride <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Great post! And a fine article

Re: [political-research] Re: Israel, the Neocons, Oil, Iraq and Iran

How would an American attack on Iran improve American access to Mideast oil? Please provide a credible scenario. It's obvious to me that an American attack on Iran would greatly damage American access to Mideast oil and harm American strategic interests in the region and worldwide. George W.

Re: [political-research] Re: Israel, the Neocons, Oil, Iraq and Iran

I've already addressed this point in some earlier messages: neocon military aggression in the Mideast is contrary both to the interests of the American oil industry AND to American oil and energy interests in the general strategic sense. Why do you think it is that Zbigniew Brzezinski, probably

[political-research] Re: Israel, the Neocons, Oil, Iraq and Iran

--- In political-research@yahoogroups.com, Sean McBride <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > If American oil companies were behind the Iraq War, why > didn't "liberal" mainstream media outlets like the New York Times, > the Washington Post, Newsweek, CNN and MSNBC oppose oil industry > machinations and

Re: [political-research] Re: Israel, the Neocons, Oil, Iraq and Iran

"Sane": the pursuit of policies that achieve a successful outcome, that improve one's position on the grand chessboard of international politics. For instance: Adolf Hitler's invasion of Russia was insane from the standpoint of German interests. Neocon plans to hurl American military force at

[political-research] Re: Israel, the Neocons, Oil, Iraq and Iran

--- In political-research@yahoogroups.com, Sean McBride <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I'm a big fan of Kevin Phillips -- his analysis of the current > fragile state of the American empire is dead on -- but there is > nothing here developing a sane rationale for getting into a world > war with Is

[political-research] Re: Israel, the Neocons, Oil, Iraq and Iran

--- In political-research@yahoogroups.com, Sean McBride <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Alan knows how to pursue strong intellectual disagreements in a > way that promotes the development of insights and understanding. > Rare and good stuff. Very glad to hear you say that. I consider you an ally,

[political-research] Re: Israel, the Neocons, Oil, Iraq and Iran

--- In political-research@yahoogroups.com, Sean McBride <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > There are few, or no, specific names of oil lobbyists > associated with agitation for an Iraq and Iran War because the > oil industry is highly skeptical that such wars would be in > their interest. Asked and an

[political-research] Re: Israel, the Neocons, Oil, Iraq and Iran

--- In political-research@yahoogroups.com, "LeaNder" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > very, very good debate. One of the best lately, it feels. > > h/t to Sean and Alan. (should I have noticed you here before?) No. I've been lurking, mostly. I enjoy Sean's posts and am generally in sympathy with

Re: [political-research] Re: Israel, the Neocons, Oil, Iraq and Iran

Alan knows how to pursue strong intellectual disagreements in a way that promotes the development of insights and understanding. Rare and good stuff. LeaNder <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: very, very good debate. One of the best lately, it feels. h/t to Sean and Al

Re: [political-research] Re: Israel, the Neocons, Oil, Iraq and Iran

More: I know Michel Chossudovsky's writings quite well. With regard to the neocons, I go straight to the horse's mouth to understand them. I read the following neocon feeds in real time: 1. Arutz Sheva (Israel National News) 2. Atlas Shrugs (Pamela Geller Oshry) 3. Commentary 4. Daniel Pipes

[political-research] Re: Israel, the Neocons, Oil, Iraq and Iran

very, very good debate. One of the best lately, it feels. h/t to Sean and Alan. (should I have noticed you here before?) -jo --- In political-research@yahoogroups.com, "Alan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In political-research@yahoogroups.com, Sean McBride > smcbride2@ wrote: > > > > Ok --

Re: [political-research] Re: Israel, the Neocons, Oil, Iraq and Iran

There are few, or no, specific names of oil lobbyists associated with agitation for an Iraq and Iran War because the oil industry is highly skeptical that such wars would be in their interest. The overwhelming majority of names associated with agitation for an Iraq and Iran War are connected wi

[political-research] Re: Israel, the Neocons, Oil, Iraq and Iran

--- In political-research@yahoogroups.com, Sean McBride <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Ok -- I just reviewed the latest posts on this issue. What's missing: > > 1. No names of *specific* individuals or organizations from the > oil industry lobbying for the Iraq War No specific names necessary