Larry wrote;
(And after years of not participating in discussions because of the digest
factor, and having posts ignored, it's an honor to be debated by Joe
Gracey.
And I'm not being facetious.)
I don't have anything to add to the main point of this thread, but I do
want to say
But Joe, weren't you exposing your art to the public in that show that my
hypothetical buddy recorded? Last fall, Richard Thompson toured and
played a number of new songs that will presumably be coming up on this
spring's new album. He was very much against these shows being taped,
There was a similar thread last year on the Bob Mould list. He was
playing out new songs which would them be part of his _Last Dog and Pony
Show_ release. His reasoning against taping these shows (he has always
been pro-taping of his shows), was that with the new songs, he hadn't
even recorded
Larry Slavens wrote:
Joe (I) wrote:
since I insist on my
right as an artist to control what happens with my art. Pretty simple
concept.
Simple? Yes and no.
So what makes that performance good enough for those people in the venue,
but not good enough for me to listen to at home?
I think
On a related note, look up Uncle Tuplelo or Wilco on Ebay. At any
given point, you'll find all sorts of CD-R bootlegs for sale. Sad.
Dave
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Larry Slavens wrote:
What's got me about this discussion is the doublethink. I'm not
supposed to have this live music that I didn't "pay" the artist for--
This was not my, at least, point. Whether a live tape is free or not is
not the issue with me. All I ask is the courtesy of a veto over
Joe Gracey wrote:
One last thought. Even though tape trading may be harmless and not for
profit, there is still something there that bugs me. All I have to sell
is my music. If my music goes around endlessly for free, am I not being
deprived of compensation for what I do? I am not angry or
Reading today's digest, looks like this topic has pretty much blown by, but
as a digester, I reserve the right to flog the dead horse a little. g
Joe Gracey (and I) wrote:
What's got me about this discussion is the doublethink. I'm not
supposed to have this live music that I didn't "pay"
Bob Soron wrote:
At 5:19 PM -0500 on 3/24/99, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
so now that i've been beaten up for my views on bootlegging, am i to assume
that all those that have had a dissenting view point in one form or another
have never purchased, or even traded for, such an item? just
At 10:57 AM -0600 on 3/25/99, Joe Gracey wrote:
Let me try to explain my vehemence regarding this subject...
I produced an album with Stevie Ray Vaughn and Lou Ann Barton- two,
actually, in 1979. Stevie and I parted ways when he went to Epic and I
handed over every single one of my tapes to
Bob Soron wrote:
But I do want to suggest, and this isn't to contradict a single thing
you say, that there can be a disparity between what the performer and
the fan considers a terrible show.
Most artists are perfectionists of one kind or another (it is one of the
qualities that helps
Oh, yeah, almost forgot...
I've never bought a bootleg, nor do I solicit trades. I do have about two
dozen tapes of live shows (I'm the guy Bob referred to in his post in this
thread yesterday) by a half-dozen different artists, all but one of whom
were the original, and in most cases the
In a message dated 3/25/99 1:10:35 PM Central Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Now some dick-weed has bootlegged MY stevie sessions and pressed them
and is selling them, apparently using a copy of MY mastering that I had
given to Stevie and the band to approve.
I believe the culprit
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
In a message dated 3/25/99 1:10:35 PM Central Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Now some dick-weed has bootlegged MY stevie sessions and pressed them
and is selling them, apparently using a copy of MY mastering that I had
given to Stevie and the band to
I always find these debates interesting, as I've been a tape trader
for about 17 years. And that's TRADER-- I've never bought a
"bootleg" tape or CD, have never sold a tape, and won't trade with
anyone who looks like they may sell tapes/CDs. Trading tapes
has introduced me to a lot of music
In a message dated 3/24/99 12:31:08 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
writes:
Because the artist wouldn't have a way of directly netting money from taped
concerts
The artist is not making anything off this, but seriosly there are people out
there who are. Like I said, it is flattering when someone tapes a
Nancy says:
The artist is not making anything off this, but seriosly there
are people out
there who are. Like I said, it is flattering when someone tapes a show.
Passing around a couple copies to friends is no big deal. But
there has to be a line drawn there somewhere.
Posts on the
In a message dated 3/24/99 2:10:55 PM EST, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
I say, bootlegg me baby, but when you start making more dough off
merchandise
than me, can ya buy me dinner or throw me a bone, hey, help me out on rent?
how about i just continue to show up at your shows, drink booze from
At 2:09 PM -0500 on 3/24/99, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Someone right now is selling t-shirts for $20 plus postage of a live concert
shot of Todd. They are calling it the "unofficial Todd Snider T-shirt"...
Were I working with Todd, I might inquire to this guy about buying out
the stock at $17
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
There isn't a contract between the artist and the public
because there's a LAW that says that an artist's material belongs to the
artist until s/he assigns the right to reproduce it to someone else in a
contract. According to this argument, a company would be
If they are real fans, how can they do this.
Good question. I've always wondered how someone who thinks that their
*want* outweighs any ethical (not to mention legal) consideration for the
artist in question can call themselves a fan.
Jon Weisberger
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
In a message dated 3/24/99 2:10:55 PM EST, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Someone right now is selling t-shirts for $20 plus postage of a live
concert
shot of Todd. They are calling it the "unofficial Todd Snider T-shirt"...
they
also have tapes, bootleg CDs and
fan n 1: a device for creating a current of air by movement
of a surface or surfaces 2: an enthusiastic devotee of sports
[syn: sports fan] 3: an ardent follower [syn: buff, devotee,
lover, afficionado]...
With my "want" of a concert boot that somebody's selling/trading,
I think I fit under # 3.
so now that i've been beaten up for my views on bootlegging, am i to assume
that all those that have had a dissenting view point in one form or another
have never purchased, or even traded for, such an item? just curious...
I have never bought a bootleg that I am aware of, I feel guilty buying a
cutout from Cats.
I sell "official bootlegs" on my web page and call them the "Tijuana Tapes"
(when the bastard is working) for real cheap. If someone wants to hear every
bad old demo I did, more power to them.
If someone
At 5:19 PM -0500 on 3/24/99, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
so now that i've been beaten up for my views on bootlegging, am i to assume
that all those that have had a dissenting view point in one form or another
have never purchased, or even traded for, such an item? just curious...
In one of those
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