At 8:07 +1100 20/03/03, John Smith wrote:
Lets just move on shall we?
Well, not quite yet. I didn't have the time to follow this thread when
it... hmmm, - escalated. Today I finally read all the messages, and have to
add my personal experiences.
First of all, 9.0.4 and 9.1 will _not_ let me do a
(aside from this list) not generally
known to damage the drive.
This is a false assertion. It IS generally known. Do a google
search and see for yourself. Search for Low Level Format IDE
drive. Heck, the first hit is from Seagate. I think they know a
thing or two about hard drives.
If
At 04:29 AM 3/19/2003 +0100, you wrote:
i even put a PC ide disk in my mac and formatted it to macintosh
format, does that mean that the IDE structure is the same for mac and
PC ???
IDE is IDE is IDE, whether it's on a Mac, a PC, or an Atari 8-bit. What
differs is the filesystem format on the
so if you do the LLF without writing zeros it would requier no time at all ?
k
Well, close to no time. It will still re-initialize the disk. And
if you've selected a different partitioning scheme or changed from
HFS to HFS+ (or HFS+ to HFS), it will take a few seconds. But it
won't take
If apple knows all this, why is drive setup
(capable of LLF) still included with new Macs, even though they all use ATA
drives?
They don't. That's my point. My OS 9.x will NOT allow an LLF of an
IDE hard drive. Nor would my 8.6. I don't know why this is
happening in your setup (yes, I saw
but it did take a long time to low level 40 gb. very long in fact.
kenta
Well, all I could think of is this: maybe drive setup is testing the
drive (same as would happen when you choose test drive from the
menu). It's looking for bad blocks. Perhaps you're lucky and it has
never found any,
Sorry to contribute to the Thread that Won't Die.
I don't know why it does this. All I know is that you've gotten
lucky and haven't toasted your hard drive yet. I don't know the
inner workings of Drive Setup, so it may actually be testing your
hard drive, but not actually finishing the
On 20/3/03 6:14 AM, Brian McEwen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Sorry to contribute to the Thread that Won't Die.
That's ok. I've decided to just give up on this thread, it just isn't
interesting me anymore. When people tell me what I'm doing and have been
doing with no problems at all for years
Well, all I can say is that Apple has got it wrong. I can, and have,
low-level formatted my hard drive. Then, when 'initialise' is
selected, the program shows
Performing Low-Level-Format for a while (time shown varies, depending on
size of Hard Drive), then it goes on to zero-all data (if it's
Well John, what is actually happening is that the utility is simply writing
Zero's to the drive. Although it looks like it's doing a LLF it's simply
not possible.
--
Aloha, Ken
so if you do the LLF without writing zeros it would requier no time at all ?
k
--
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PowerBooks is sponsored by
so if you do the LLF without writing zeros it would requier no time at all ?
k
Well, close to no time. It will still re-initialize the disk. And
if you've selected a different partitioning scheme or changed from
HFS to HFS+ (or HFS+ to HFS), it will take a few seconds. But it
won't take
so if you do the LLF without writing zeros it would requier no time at all ?
k
Well, close to no time. It will still re-initialize the disk. And
if you've selected a different partitioning scheme or changed from
HFS to HFS+ (or HFS+ to HFS), it will take a few seconds. But it
won't take
so if you do the LLF without writing zeros it would requier no
time at all ?
k
Well, close to no time. It will still re-initialize the disk. And
if you've selected a different partitioning scheme or changed from
HFS to HFS+ (or HFS+ to HFS), it will take a few seconds. But it
won't take
At 04:29 AM 3/19/2003 +0100, you wrote:
i even put a PC ide disk in my mac and formatted it to macintosh
format, does that mean that the IDE structure is the same for mac and
PC ???
i quoted myself !
kenta
IDE is IDE is IDE, whether it's on a Mac, a PC, or an Atari 8-bit. What
differs is the
Well, close to no time. It will still re-initialize the disk. And
if you've selected a different partitioning scheme or changed from
HFS to HFS+ (or HFS+ to HFS), it will take a few seconds. But it
won't take anything like the several minutes to hours it can take to
write zeros to a
Someone asked me off-list what the low level format is that I
mentioned one should never apply to one's laptop hard drive. I
looked in the archive, because I'm pretty sure this has been brought
up at least one other time this year, but I didn't find the right
thread. So, to refresh
On 2003-03-17 17:46, Andrew Kershaw wrote:
In SCSI disk mode, the PowerBook emulates an external SCSI hard drive
- the PowerBook's internal hard drive looks to the host Mac as a SCSI
drive. Thus, Drive Setup will allow you to low level format the
PowerBook's hard drive. This obviously
Since SCSI Target Mode (as it's called for IDE PowerBooks) is so good, there
is no way in hell Drive Setup can tell the difference between a PowerBook in
SCSI Target Mode and a real SCSI disk.
Hmm. Are you thinking of FireWire Target Mode? Up to 9.2.2, my
books still run in SCSI _Disk_ Mode.
As has been mentioned before, IDE hard drives are dumb drives.
They don't have as much intelligence as SCSI drives. This helps
keeps the cost of manufacturing down. But, consequently, they aren't
as flexible as SCSI hard drives.
IDE disks always come pre-formatted (in a manner of speaking)
Has anyone tried to low level format flash storage media like a
compact flash card or smart media? I wonder what that would do...
If I'm incorrect, obscure, or too vague anywhere above, I would
appreciate clarification!!!
Peace,
Drew
Hello,
I've low-level formatted many IDE/ATA
I've low-level formatted many IDE/ATA drives, most in desktops, but also in
my 1.3GB 1400.
Well, color me crazy.
I just tried to LLF an IDE drive in my beige G3. Drive Setup won't
let me. (Since I don't have multiple IDE drives in my laptops, and
since you can't re-initialize the boot disk,
On 18/3/03 10:57 AM, Andrew Kershaw [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I've low-level formatted many IDE/ATA drives, most in desktops, but also in
my 1.3GB 1400.
Well, color me crazy.
--snip--
Open Drive Setup. Click on the drive you want to initialize. Select
the Functions - Initialization
on 3/17/03 6:29 PM, John Smith at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I assure you, It is NOT greyed out on this machine (PB 1400), nor on my
5500/225's and no, not even on my LCD iMac (after booting in 9.2). And yes,
I have low level formatted all of them. I had a look when the machine was
booted from
Following this amusing thread on my 1400c, I decided to try drive setup on
my machine. The LLF option is not grayed out and I am able to check it.
Not saying it works or doesn't hurt the drive, but the option is available.
20gb IBM Travelstar IDE/ATA drive, Sonnet 333MHz G3 upgraded 1400c
Well, all I can say is that Apple has got it wrong. I can, and have,
low-level formatted my hard drive. Select the drive, initialisation options
shows LLF as a viable option (assuming selected disk is not start-up disk).
Then, clicking on initialise, there is a summary screen of what drive setup
Just so you KNOW I'm not a complete idiot, and perhaps you can see what we
are doing differently...
http://www.insysco.net.au/cwbb/MOV01423.MPG
This is a movie (quite crappy quality, sorry about that...) of me selecting
LLF after booting up in OS 8.5
--
John
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PowerBooks is sponsored by
Just so you KNOW I'm not a complete idiot, and perhaps you can see what we
are doing differently...
http://www.insysco.net.au/cwbb/MOV01423.MPG
This is a movie (quite crappy quality, sorry about that...) of me selecting
LLF after booting up in OS 8.5
an oscar performance !
what is a shenigan -
When you tried it, what did you start-up from? I used an old OS 8.5 CD on
the powerbook.
And
Just so you KNOW I'm not a complete idiot, and perhaps you can see what we
are doing differently...
http://www.insysco.net.au/cwbb/MOV01423.MPG
This is a movie (quite crappy quality, sorry about
I declare shenanigans on you! Shenanigans! Shenanigans! That is a
line from South Park on the US cable network Comedy Central. South
Park is not entirely politically correct, though it does manage to
have some redeeming and extremely scathing political and social
commentary from time to time.
On 3/17/03 Drew wrote:
Following this amusing thread on my 1400c, I decided to try drive setup on
my machine. The LLF option is not grayed out and I am able to check it.
Not saying it works or doesn't hurt the drive, but the option is available.
20gb IBM Travelstar IDE/ATA drive, Sonnet
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