On Friday 23 March 2007 1:25 am, Michael Madigan wrote:
This one ain't so bad.
http://www.rapstation.com/images/itr_ftw_lil_kim_one_world_200301f.jpg
Hi Michael!
Somehow, I don't know that the head 'slim is going to approve that style - at
least officially.
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Alan Lukachko wrote:
No! No! No, Mike.
Its What we have here is failure to communicate from the movie cool Hand
Luke - one of my favorites. The is no a before failure.
I know, I lost a bet on this one. Bg
Just watched the clip. It's What we GOT here is failure to communicate
SET
Well it's a Friday morning and the guys in the office are chatting about
life after VFP. I was wondering what languages people are considering
to EXPAND to as part of their dev work?
So far I have seen the following crop up...
1) VFP 9 Sedna
People seem as though they are going to push it
An outline of the VFS routemap for the next 5 years... Note that this
was decided on last year based on planned future markets and is not a
reflection of the recent announcement.
VFP 9 Sedna for the next few years (can't just dump over a million
lines of code), with a review to move this app
Like you we have a big investment in VFP. So we'll be sticking with it
for as long as feasible (which I suspect will be quite a long time - one
thing MS have always been good with, that we tend to take for granted,
is backwards compatibility). I give it minimum 5 years, maybe 10+
Gradual
try MDB Browser -- Author: S.Arnold
I think I got it from this list - otherwise Google is your friend s.
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VFP 9 Sedna for the next few years (can't just dump over a million
lines of code)
Personally, I'm very excited to see what will come out of the effort from
eTechnologica.net and
Brian Abbott wrote:
Gradual move towards Python / Dabo The attraction here (apart from Ed,
who does look nice in a dress so I'm told g) is that it can handle web
apps and desktop and is cross platform.
Ed -- please comment on this. Is it for web apps as well?
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Dabo isn't, but Python has several frameworks that handle this.
MB Software Solutions wrote:
Brian Abbott wrote:
Gradual move towards Python / Dabo The attraction here (apart from Ed,
who does look nice in a dress so I'm told g) is that it can handle web
apps and desktop and is cross
Pete Theisen wrote:
On Thursday 22 March 2007 4:19 pm, MB Software Solutions General Account
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Pete Theisen wrote:
Hi Michael!
Better develop a taste for Muslim dressed women, Hijab, burkha and the
like. The theocracy is coming, thanks to the crazy libs who insist that
we
Michael Madigan wrote:
This one ain't so bad.
http://www.rapstation.com/images/itr_ftw_lil_kim_one_world_200301f.jpg
Well, as my college roommate would say, I wouldn't kick her out of bed
for eating crackers. ;-)
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1) VFP 9 Sedna
People seem as though they are going to push it past the MS support
date. However there is no guarantee that VFP will continue to work on
OS's after MS start patching things and release new OS's.
Will be developing in it as long as there is development
On Mar 23, 2007, at 7:07 AM, Brian Abbott wrote:
Dabo isn't, but Python has several frameworks that handle this.
That's right. And since Dabo uses a 3-tier design, you only need to
rewrite the GUI.
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On Friday 23 March 2007 6:11 am, MB Software Solutions General Account wrote:
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On Thursday 22 March 2007 4:19 pm, MB Software Solutions General Account
snip
I wonder if you understand, they cover their hair and their faces.
No no, they cover the goodies. I think there
Well, their .Net Extender has saved me hours of work so far so I'm
rather upbeat about them at the moment.
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On Mar 23, 2007, at 7:21 AM, Alan Bourke wrote:
Python is going nowhere (I mean it's not going to disappear).
Personally
I have issues with GUI-based apps based on cross-platform languages
like
Python and Java, insofar as they look terrible compared to what you
can
do with native
On Friday, March 23, 2007 6:54 AM Eyvind Axelsen wrote:
Personally, I'm very excited to see what will come out of the effort
from
eTechnologica.net and their VFP -- .NET compiler. Will it be too
little too late, or
salvation?
I can't find eTechnologica.net website and I did check Google (or as
Hey Dave,
No need for an appology for good humour... :)
I was shot this question yesterday by a supervisor and they had to get
an answer off to a customer.
Thanks for the feedback here.
Our customer does use Terminal Services and that's how we dial in to
service them...
We would then have to run
Pete Theisen wrote:
Devout Muslim women cover everything, good or bad - you see nothing but this
tent dress coming and going. Of course, this might be a good thing with some
of them.
Would be a good thing with overweight women of any religion. Might be good
for
undercover cops, too.
When running 16-bit applications under 32-bit Terminal Services, each
session will take up whatever the MEMLIMIT is, since they are all
running in seperate instances of the 16-bit virtual machine. So for 20
people to do this, you need 20 x 16MB or whatever just for their apps. I
presume the
Philip,
VFP on the server - no problems at all as long as you have SP1 installed.
As for TS, there is a problem we haven't fully sorted out in that sometimes
and only sometimes the temporary files created by VFP seem to conflict with
each other even though they are directed to private folders.
Alan,
Good point, but with 64 you will probably have a sh*t load of memory anyway!
Dave Crozier
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I'm the jerk that keeps posting about REALbasic g but I think it's a
viable and attractive alternative.
Pros:
1) Easy to learn for Fox folk
2) Object oriented
3) Cross platform
4) Good IDE
5) Has a company dedicated and focused on its enhancement and growth
6) Reasonably priced (Free standard
Thanks everyone for the feedback.
It's very helpful.
Philip
Dave Crozier wrote:
Alan,
Good point, but with 64 you will probably have a sh*t load of memory anyway!
Dave Crozier
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Well it's a Friday morning and the guys in the office are chatting about
life after VFP. I was wondering what languages people are considering
to EXPAND to as part of their dev work?
So far I have seen the following crop up...
1) VFP 9 Sedna
2) MS .NET
3) Dabo (Python)
4) REALBasic
On 3/23/07, MB Software Solutions General Account wrote:
Well, as my college roommate would say, I wouldn't kick her out of bed
for eating crackers. ;-)
... unless it was to f**k her on the floor!
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Derek Kalweit wrote:
As much as I might like open-source stuff such as DABO and so on,
there are almost no jobs available in my area for such.
There will be plenty of Python opportunities though. Dabo != a
programming language.
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Tristan Leask wrote:
Well it's a Friday morning and the guys in the office are chatting about
life after VFP. I was wondering what languages people are considering
to EXPAND to as part of their dev work?
There are two schools of thought here. The first is to be an expert in a
language, and
Derek Kalweit said With this dual requirement, I've decided to pursue .NET
so when does .net retire (just asking! g)
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T
_MY_ plan (as I've stated in public many a time, although a few
disgruntled folks have chosen to selectively edit what I've said to suit
their own means) is to maintain VFP for years, but not to invest in it.
Rather, spend spare RD time in a _growing_ market
As much as I might like open-source stuff such as DABO and so on,
there are almost no jobs available in my area for such.
There will be plenty of Python opportunities though. Dabo != a
programming language.
A search of python on monster.com, dice.com, and careerbuilder.com
for my
Garry Bettle wrote:
On 3/23/07, MB Software Solutions General Account wrote:
Well, as my college roommate would say, I wouldn't kick her out of bed
for eating crackers. ;-)
... unless it was to f**k her on the floor!
Well she certainly has built-in cushions, judging from that
Derek Kalweit said With this dual requirement, I've decided to pursue .NET
so when does .net retire (just asking! g)
Beyond 2015 at this point. Regardless, Microsoft will have something
new afterwards, at which point I'll be forced to accept new
technologies, as is the nature of my career
_MY_ plan (as I've stated in public many a time, although a few
disgruntled folks have chosen to selectively edit what I've said to suit
their own means) is to maintain VFP for years, but not to invest in it.
Rather, spend spare RD time in a _growing_ market opportunity.
I think that's
You are right, Peter
I gave the boss more credit for his grammar than he deserves.
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Well it just goes to show that people do actually pay attention to the
posts I make on this list! BG
I really want to be able to work with Python, but I just can't see how I
can get to the stage where I am now in VFP. I can't imagine how I have
come so far with VFP. It's like I have always
By 2015, I should be retired, so it doesn't matter much.
First choice is to continue with VFP9 Sedna. For most of my customers and
potential customer base, this approach makes the most sense. We have
invested a lot of time in classes and libraries that work. We can put
together solutions very
On Mar 23, 2007, at 10:33 AM, Tristan Leask wrote:
I really want to be able to work with Python, but I just can't see
how I
can get to the stage where I am now in VFP. I can't imagine how I
have
come so far with VFP. It's like I have always known it.
Probably the primary thing
Tristan Leask wrote:
A good GUI editor is very handy
Mandatory I would have thought.
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Tristan,
Ed is very nearly there with what you want design wise but not the full IDE.
Given that there are only two core developers the progress has been
amazing. Paul has put together a decent report writer and I guess that the
more people get on board the faster the product will develop.
I
Well it just goes to show that people do actually pay attention to the
posts I make on this list! BG
I take note of certain things people say, and I believe you and I are
the youngest active members on the list, and that I remember... ;-)
The main concern is the development time of having
By 2015, I should be retired, so it doesn't matter much.
Exactly-- as is the case with many on this list(and with VFP in general).
Dabo (Python) would be the next choice. The cross platform aspects make it
more and more viable as time goes on. I suspect people will be turned off by
the
On Mar 23, 2007, at 10:45 AM, Derek Kalweit wrote:
Making a wrong decision here with predicting the future could be a
career-crippling choice, however. As I've pointed out, for those of us
dependent on the tide of the market, simply calling for the end of
MS's rule won't end it itself. People
Probably the primary thing that convinced me to go with Python was
how quickly I was writing productive code. It isn't *that* different
than VFP, and once you get the hang of namespaces, it's pretty
straightforward. I haven't yet met a VFP programmer who couldn't
immediately
Making a wrong decision here with predicting the future could be a
career-crippling choice, however. As I've pointed out, for those of us
dependent on the tide of the market, simply calling for the end of
MS's rule won't end it itself. People have been calling for the end of
Microsoft
'But would the alternatives run on Linux?'
'Is it open source?'
Please people, go for what business is running. I am assuming they are your
clients, haven't seen that much programming opportunity for the home user in
our world. Once that you realistically look real numbers; something like Mac
=
On Mar 23, 2007, at 10:51 AM, Derek Kalweit wrote:
I've written in many languages in the past 10 years-- VFP,
VB/VBScript, ASP, PHP, VC++, VC#, Java, etc.-- they're all mostly the
same. Most programmers can basically get the idea of what code is
doing by reading it as long as descriptive
On Mar 23, 2007, at 10:54 AM, Derek Kalweit wrote:
Which is all fine and dandy unless you need to get a job writing in
Python today.
You should have seen the sponsors at PyCon - every single one of
them was hiring. At times it felt like a job fair!
You said that there are no
On Mar 23, 2007, at 11:02 AM, Jeff Fisher wrote:
Please people, go for what business is running.
Another anti-VFP post! ;-)
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There are two schools of thought here. The first is to be an expert in
Check out the subject line.
Others have posted what to move to but while trying to keep open source in
mind. Business aren't looking for open source solutions, they are looking
for solutions. They see .NET as a solution, not Dabo
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A UK wide search on jobsite.co.uk gives:
Foxpro9 (Pegasus Opera2 is offering up to £50/hour!)
LAMP45
Python97
PHP 334
Javascript 725
Java1758
.net2417
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On Mar 23, 2007, at 11:46 AM, Jeff Fisher wrote:
Check out the subject line.
Check out the emoticon.
Others have posted what to move to but while trying to keep open
source in
mind. Business aren't looking for open source solutions, they are
looking
for solutions. They see
Derek Kalweit wrote:
Personally, I have to think about the next 30 years or so of my
career(retiring right before January 2038 at the latest), unlike most
people here. I have to think of what I can write applications in for
my side business, ignoring any marketing hype(consumers rarely care),
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Check out the subject line.
Others have posted what to move to but while trying to
Generic reply, not directed ant anyone in particular:
If you can write apps in VFP, you can write apps in anything.
I've been a programmer since 1964. I've programmed in everything: IBM
mainframe assembler, Cobol, PL/1, Fortran, a gaggle of PC languages, as
well as programming for imbedded
Does anyone consider him a newsman (person?)?
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Could you imagine a real newsman using the word
f-ing during a broadcast?
Try to picture Cronkite or Brinkley doing that.
Olbermann, f-ing lightweight.
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She
I've written in many languages in the past 10 years-- VFP,
VB/VBScript, ASP, PHP, VC++, VC#, Java, etc.-- they're all mostly the
same. Most programmers can basically get the idea of what code is
doing by reading it as long as descriptive commands/method names are
used and no complex
Check out Andy's post for a real number of what is really out there.
Python makes it to a big time 2% but .NET comes in at 45%. VFP comes in at
less than one percent.
In my neck of the woods, the java numbers aren't as big but the .NET numbers
command over 60% of the market. Python didn't make it
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You should have seen the sponsors at PyCon - every single one of
them was hiring. At times it felt like a job fair!
I'm sure it's the same at the Lisp conferences.. niche markets recruit
in niche ways..
You said that there are no Python jobs in the Rochester area, but
the
On Mar 23, 2007, at 12:26 PM, Jeff Fisher wrote:
Now why are you pushing Dabo again?
I'm not pushing anything. Someone asked, and others responded. If
you followed the thread, you'll note that I didn't respond by
pushing or even suggesting Dabo. My responses were only to
Don't hit me, but I personally believe that the ads and job postings on the
Internet are not the best indication of the actual work force and what
businesses are using. I work for a company that is within the largest five
Nope, and I have never professed that it did-- it does, however, show
I've got just the in house small app that can have the treatment for
this!
Good idea.
Tristan
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Don't hit me, but I personally believe that the ads and job postings on
the
I'm not sure if anyone has mentioned this...
http://www.etecnologia.net
Surely this will save Man Years of work if apps needed to be rewritten
in another language.
Looks like it will give the Language a long lease of life, until M$
decide to KILL .NET that is!
When you look at a new application
No rational person I guess.
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Does anyone consider him a newsman (person?)?
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Michael Madigan wrote:
Could you imagine a real newsman using the word
f-ing during a broadcast?
Try to picture Cronkite or Brinkley doing that.
Well, I'm not one of the duffers who will be safely shuffled off to
retirement by 2015, nor am I one of those two pesky little brats that
were scurrying around here somewhere. No, like a fine, golden wine, I'm
aged to perfection, and hitting my stride as I sail through the tree of
life.
Is there a list of the known problems VFP has in Vista?
I know of 2 visual problems with form borders with Vista Areo theme enabled.
I would like to know if these are on that list.
1) When moving a dockable form the outline is broken and scattered
2) Changing the border type in the LOAD event
up development. One thing that most VFP developers love is the
ability to create variables as you need them - no need to declare
them first. Any language that requires that is a PITA, IMO. Sure,
there are tools to automate that process, but if a tool can do it,
why can't the language
I'm in the process of setting up a new web server. I know just enough
about this to get things up running. Or so I thought. My old server is
running IIS 5, which I'm reasonably comfortable messing with. The new
server is running IIS 6 which I've barely touched. For some reason, ASP
files will
Ed Leafe wrote:
Microsoft's .Net marketing budget: $99 zillion
Dabo's marketing budget: $0
I wonder why they aren't clamoring for Dabo?
That is the saddest thing I ever read! My dollar is on it's way!
(That's an infinite percentage increase, if you do the math, so I expect
to see
As usual, after I post a question I figure out the answer...
Richard Kaye wrote:
I'm in the process of setting up a new web server. I know just enough
about this to get things up running. Or so I thought. My old server is
running IIS 5, which I'm reasonably comfortable messing with. The new
I saw your comment about Basic, so let us just agree to call it RB. ;)
RB is strong typed and you can initialize it on the same line
RB Code
dim lReturn AS Boolean = False
dim cSettings AS String =
/RB Code
My #1 enemy in VFP is myself. I end up trying to add a string and a
number together.
I'm in the process of setting up a new web server. I know just enough
about this to get things up running. Or so I thought. My old server is
running IIS 5, which I'm reasonably comfortable messing with. The new
server is running IIS 6 which I've barely touched. For some reason, ASP
Alan Bourke wrote:
Anyone using this and care to offer any opinions?
Stephen Russell is or at least was at some point, iirc. If he doesn't
reply here, you might try contacting him directly.
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Michael Oke, II wrote:
Does anyone consider him a newsman (person?)?
Certainly not one to be taken seriously.
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Curiously, and for the most part,
My Take on it all echoes what Whil Hentzen has said.
Regards [Bill]
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My #1 enemy in VFP is myself. I end up trying to add a string and a
number together. In RB the compiler finds most of these issues at build
time and saves me tons of time by keeping me from stepping on my own toes.
Yes-- as all strongly typed languages will do, saving people from many
bugs.
On 3/23/07, Whil Hentzen (Pro*) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
There are two schools of thought here. The first is to be an expert in a
language, and when the call comes for help in that language, you hold up
your hand and yell, Pick me! Pick me!
I think it's not just A language, but a whole bunch
Thanks, Derek. I figured if anyone wanted to know, they'd ask.
Derek Kalweit wrote:
Well, for the archives, if anyone's reading this and actually wants
the answer, I believe the solution was to enable 'Active Server pages'
in the 'Web Service Extensions' section of the IIS admin...
W2K3
These reporters, ah David ?
Ain't it fun ?
Basically it was a misquote of a misquote, between zdnet and eweek, then
the PodCasters picked it up , thinking both 'authors' had it right, and
understood what Sedna is and that YAG's quotes were accurately re-used.
Sigh.
There are additions to VFP on
'A Duck!'
http://tinyurl.com/yof8tn
If... she... weighs... the same as a duck,... she's made of wood!
Ok, back to the article.
Red Hat has responded to claims that it is acting like Microsoft in
asserting its trademark rights over the use of the Hibernate name by
trainers and consultants.
http://www.flipstart.com/
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On 3/23/07, William Sanders / EFG [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Maybe I am too used to interpreting 'passive voice' statements from C-SPAN.
Mistakes were made. Regrets were expressed.
Michael Tiemann (RedHat): ... there is no reality to Microsoft's
shared source license in the sense that, ... it's
On 3/23/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Red Hat has responded to claims that it is acting like Microsoft in
asserting its trademark rights over the use of the Hibernate name by
trainers and consultants.
Trademarks have to be enforced or they can be lost. It's amusing that
YEK - something smaller than the Sony U101 ?
http://www.werkema.com/laptop.html
I dunno, it's got it's place, surely.
But I'm still a fan of the Fujitsu P2120 - I have 3 of em, always take em
for travel.
I can write code on the P2120. I can't write code on the U101 without
jacking in an
It looks like Verizon turned on some new SPAM filter which ended up
blocking all messages from auto-forward email account. Of course they did
this without notifying/asking anyone (they must be taking lessons from
Microsoft). But now, after a few rather terse words with them on the phone
and a
From Fabiano Costa (Brasil) :
(under construction)
http://www.foxpro-or-java-but-never.net/
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So this message is to find out if the MS-like idiots did what they were
supposed to do.
It's not just the test messages from you that are ignored around here,
Charlie.
gdr
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Wii and PS3 compared as you've never seen before
http://video.google.com/googleplayer.swf?
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( -or- http://tinyurl.com/2g45gp )
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On Mar 23, 2007, at 11:46 AM, Jeff Fisher wrote:
Check out the subject line.
Check out the emoticon.
Others have posted what to move to but while trying to keep open
source in
mind. Business aren't looking for open source solutions, they are
looking
for
Jeff Fisher wrote:
Check out Andy's post for a real number of what is really out there.
Python makes it to a big time 2% but .NET comes in at 45%. VFP comes in at
less than one percent.
In my neck of the woods, the java numbers aren't as big but the .NET numbers
command over 60% of the
Derek Kalweit wrote:
You should have seen the sponsors at PyCon - every single one of
them was hiring. At times it felt like a job fair!
I'm sure it's the same at the Lisp conferences.. niche markets recruit
in niche ways..
Do you really care if pay your rent with 'niche dollars'?
You've seen the Bourne series of movies, right?
They're based on Paul and Ed's lives... :-)
Tristan Leask wrote:
Well it's a Friday morning and the guys in the office are chatting about
life after VFP. I was wondering what languages people are considering
to EXPAND to as part of their
Why not use standard variable names???
Always worked for me. I almost never had a problem with variable type
mismatch...
Derek Kalweit wrote:
My #1 enemy in VFP is myself. I end up trying to add a string and a
number together. In RB the compiler finds most of these issues at build
time
If you're THAT young, don't worry too much about it:
When I was:
20 - I was training to be an engineering officer on a Nuclear (or
Nukular) sub
21 - Computer Programmer
23 - Lead guitar player in an Acid Rock Band
24 - Married with child
You just DON'T KNOW what life's gonna throw at you but
On 3/23/07, Chet Gardiner [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
20 - I was training to be an engineering officer on a Nuclear (or
Nukular) sub
Yet another thing we have in common!
Electrician's Mate, Naval Nuclear Power School, Orlando, FL, Class 8005.
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Ted Roche
Ted Roche Associates, LLC
You got that right!
My first job: Here's $10,000 worth of computer time
Learn Fortran (and 1401 Autocoder)
2nd job: Cobol and 360BAL
3rd Job: Gibson SG Special
4th job: Fortran and Assembler
5th Job: Cobol
6th Job: Martin 000-28 Acoustic, Fender Jazz Bass
Gretch
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