Re: [OT] Where could this water come from?

2008-04-18 Thread Nicholas Geti
- Original Message - From: Michael Madigan [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: ProFox Email List profox@leafe.com Sent: Wednesday, April 16, 2008 11:16 AM Subject: Re: [OT] Where could this water come from? Yet we find fossilized sea shells in mountains. Go figure. Man, you have the most

Re: [OT] Where could this water come from?

2008-04-18 Thread Nicholas Geti
- Original Message - From: Michael Madigan [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: ProFox Email List profox@leafe.com Sent: Wednesday, April 16, 2008 11:13 AM Subject: Re: [OT] Where could this water come from? Carbon Dioxide is plant food, not a pollutant. If you want to lower mercury, lead. sulfur

Re: [OT] Where could this water come from?

2008-04-18 Thread Nicholas Geti
Due to plate tectonics what is half way up a mountain was probably the sea bed millions of years ago before the plates collided and forced one plate into the air creating a mountain range. ers, --- Why explain it? It won't matter. -- Stephen Russell

Re: [NF] Rackspace Noteworthy product

2008-04-18 Thread Pete Theisen
On Thursday 17 April 2008 10:47, Matt Jarvis wrote: world wants to know I like to dress up as a Leprechaun and sing the aria from Madam Butterfly, Hi Matt! You ARE brave, I only sing Madame Butterfly when I am taking my insulin, and then only when I am using an injection site on the tummy.

Re: [NF] Didn't know Mr. Hale was so despised

2008-04-18 Thread Pete Theisen
On Thursday 17 April 2008 12:57, Ed Leafe wrote: Check out the title of this thread! http://article.gmane.org/gmane.comp.python.general/568413 Hi Ed! It was Gil's brother, Gil. You know, Gil and Gil . . . Oh wait, that was Sheep and Sheep, never mind . . . -- Regards, Pete

RE: SP2 Fixes - Light at the end of the tunnel

2008-04-18 Thread Rick Schummer
Eurico, This hot fix is VFP pre-SP1, this is not the fix the Fox Team is getting packaged for release announced this week. Note the build number (2826). Rick White Light Computing, Inc. www.whitelightcomputing.com www.swfox.net www.rickschummer.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL

[NF} Acronyms - was Re: SP2 Fixes - Light at the end of the tunnel

2008-04-18 Thread Brian Abbott
Hmmm, I assumed (wrongly, obviously) that AIUI was a WKA (well known acronym). Just for interest, who does / doesn't know these: AIUI - as I understand it AKA - also known as IMO - in my opinion IOW - in other words IMHO - in my humble opinion AFAIK - as far as I know AFAIR - as far as I recall

RE: [NF} Acronyms - was Re: SP2 Fixes - Light at the end of the tunnel

2008-04-18 Thread Dave Crozier
Brian, Dying out? NOYN ALABP Lancashire colloquialisms: Not On Your Nelly - Meaning impossible And All Balls and Beetle P*ss - A load of rubbish DUWL ;-) Dave Crozier Ok, OK - Double Up with Laughter! -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf

Re: [NF} Acronyms - was Re: SP2 Fixes - Light at the end of the tunnel

2008-04-18 Thread Paul Hill
On Fri, Apr 18, 2008 at 8:49 AM, Brian Abbott [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hmmm, I assumed (wrongly, obviously) that AIUI was a WKA (well known acronym). Just for interest, who does / doesn't know these: AIUI - as I understand it AKA - also known as IMO - in my opinion IOW - in other

[NF] LINQPad

2008-04-18 Thread Alan Bourke
Saw this on Rick Strahl's blog. http://www.linqpad.net/ Good standalone way to test LINQ, and ad-hoc functions etc. You know, like the VFP Command Window. -- Alan Bourke [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription

[OT] Turkish Women protest male violence in Bacca murder

2008-04-18 Thread Pete Theisen
Hi Everybody! http://www.bianet.org/english/kategori/english/106384/women-are-sad-worried-and-angry-after-bacca or http://tinyurl.com/6yo65m Women held banners that read: “Male violence, not coincidence.” Feminist activist Filiz Karakus read a press statement following the protest. “We are

[OT] CELL PHONE vs. BIBLE

2008-04-18 Thread Stephen Russell
CELL PHONE vs. BIBLE I wonder what would happen if we treated our Bibles like we treat our cell phones? What if we carried it around in our purses or pockets? What if we flipped through it several times a day? What if we turned back to go get it if we forgot it? What if we used it to receive

RE: [NF] Didn't know Mr. Hale was so despised

2008-04-18 Thread Gil Hale
It was Gil's brother, Gil. You know, Gil and Gil . . . Oh wait, that was Sheep and Sheep, never mind . . . Naw, I prefer to call it what it is, Gil's Evil Other Self. And really, even my Evil Other Self does not do anything with sheep that runs against the generally accepted laws of nature

Re: [NF] Didn't know Mr. Hale was so despised

2008-04-18 Thread Ted Roche
On Thu, Apr 17, 2008 at 1:57 PM, Ed Leafe [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Check out the title of this thread! http://article.gmane.org/gmane.comp.python.general/568413 Much as Mister Hale enjoys languishing in the limelight, I'll drag this back on topic, or [NF], at least. We were just

RE: [NF} Acronyms - was Re: SP2 Fixes - Light at the end of the tunnel

2008-04-18 Thread Gil Hale
MFYOYO (as is See You Later MFYOYO) - *My Friend*, You're On Your Own Of course there is another little term one could substitute for the MF part of MFYOYO. I have seen this used by a few folks shortly after they were asked to render an opinion, and the askee either refuted the opinion, or a

Re: [NF] Didn't know Mr. Hale was so despised

2008-04-18 Thread Ed Leafe
On Apr 18, 2008, at 7:00 AM, Ted Roche wrote: The Global Interpreter Lock is a design feature of Python. There was an implementation that was tried several years ago that removed the GIL and instead relied on C-level locking. It ran 2-3 times slower. I've been impressed

RE: [NF] Didn't know Mr. Hale was so despised

2008-04-18 Thread Gil Hale
We were just talking about the dreaded GIL at the last PySIG meeting: Wow, my reputation precedes me! I am so flattered. My own really and truly 15,000 microminutes of fame. Cool! Oh, there is a third GIL out there now, Global Intepreter Lock? Slay the evil bastard, I say! Gil

Re: [OT] Where could this water come from?

2008-04-18 Thread Stephen Russell
On Fri, Apr 18, 2008 at 1:35 AM, Nicholas Geti [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: - Original Message - From: Michael Madigan [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: ProFox Email List profox@leafe.com Sent: Wednesday, April 16, 2008 11:16 AM Subject: Re: [OT] Where could this water come from? Yet we find

Re: [NF] LINQPad

2008-04-18 Thread Stephen Russell
On Fri, Apr 18, 2008 at 5:25 AM, Alan Bourke [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Saw this on Rick Strahl's blog. http://www.linqpad.net/ Good standalone way to test LINQ, and ad-hoc functions etc. You know, like the VFP Command Window. - Thanks I had

RE: [NF] Rackspace Noteworthy product

2008-04-18 Thread Gil Hale
I have considered looking at GPG for eMail, but never got around to it. There are a few times when I prefer to have the content of my eMail not readable by just anyone - although I do make every reasonable effort to not expose too much smewhat sensitive info via Clear Text transport. With your

Re: [NF] Rackspace Noteworthy product

2008-04-18 Thread Ted Roche
On Thu, Apr 17, 2008 at 7:52 AM, Gil Hale [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: And whenever I transmit any confidential information I will only send it as an eMail attachment or ftp transfer after the file has been encrypted at at least 128bit (ZipGenius at 256bit Blowfish). You might want to look at

RE: [NF} Acronyms - was Re: SP2 Fixes - Light at the end of the tunnel

2008-04-18 Thread Wolfe, Stephen S Civ USAF AMC 6 MDSS/SGSI
Nope, I knew the ones you listed, but I wonder if texting shorthand such as 'ur' qualify as the original email type shorthand. v/r //SIGNED// Stephen S. Wolfe, YA2, DAF 6th MDG Data Services Manager 6th MDG Information System Security Officer Comm (813) 827-9994 DSN 651-9994 -Original

[NF] comcast lies about blocking BT

2008-04-18 Thread Stephen Russell
http://www.news.com/8301-10784_3-9921945-7.html?part=rsssubj=newstag=2547-1_3-0-20 seems to not have changed. -- Stephen Russell Sr. Production Systems Programmer Mimeo.com Memphis TN 901.246-0159 --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text

Programmatically sending/receiving GPG encoded emails

2008-04-18 Thread Malcolm Greene
Inspired by Ted's recent post on protecting emails via GPG (Gnu Privacy Guard) I'm wondering if any of you know of a way to programmatically send/receive GPG encoded emails via VFP or Python? There's something for python (no examples) but it appears that its no longer maintained.

RE: [OT] God Bless Brigitte Bardot

2008-04-18 Thread Wolfe, Stephen S Civ USAF AMC 6 MDSS/SGSI
Shucks, the website is blocked for me...drats! v/r //SIGNED// Stephen S. Wolfe, YA2, DAF 6th MDG Data Services Manager 6th MDG Information System Security Officer Comm (813) 827-9994 DSN 651-9994 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of

[OT] Finally, something Atheists and Christians can agree on

2008-04-18 Thread Vince Teachout
Joke strip: http://www.caracal.net/religion.jpg ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive:

Re: [NF] Rackspace Noteworthy product

2008-04-18 Thread Vince Teachout
Ted Roche wrote: On Thu, Apr 17, 2008 at 7:52 AM, Gil Hale [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You might want to look at GPG. That allows you to encrypt email and attachments, verify the integrity of mail from folks you trust, and more. GPG has nice integration into Thunderbird with Enigmail. That

[OT] we all wish it was like this.

2008-04-18 Thread Stephen Russell
http://punditkitchen.com/2008/04/18/political-pictures-hillary-clinton-beer/ -- Stephen Russell Sr. Production Systems Programmer Mimeo.com Memphis TN 901.246-0159 --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html ---

Re: [OT] Where could this water come from?

2008-04-18 Thread Michael Madigan
What if fill your room with pure nitrogen? --- Nicholas Geti [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: - Original Message - From: Michael Madigan [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: ProFox Email List profox@leafe.com Sent: Wednesday, April 16, 2008 11:13 AM Subject: Re: [OT] Where could this water come from?

Re: [OT] CELL PHONE vs. BIBLE

2008-04-18 Thread Michael Madigan
Just don't drive while reading it. --- Stephen Russell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: CELL PHONE vs. BIBLE I wonder what would happen if we treated our Bibles like we treat our cell phones? What if we carried it around in our purses or pockets? What if we flipped through it several times

RE: [OT] Memphis Real Time Crime Center

2008-04-18 Thread John Harvey
I thought y'all might be interested in looking at this stuff. I am the data manager for the MPD's new RTCC, and one thing I have been preaching is putting data out to the citizens so they can be better informed, and therefore can take appropriate steps to ensure their safety. Here is a link to

Re: [OT] Where could this water come from?

2008-04-18 Thread Michael Madigan
This coming from a guy who believed CO2 is a pollutant. So I guess stop exhaling and polluting the planet then. --- Nicholas Geti [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: - Original Message - From: Michael Madigan [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: ProFox Email List profox@leafe.com Sent: Wednesday, April

RE: [OT] Memphis Real Time Crime Center

2008-04-18 Thread Michael Madigan
Put the crime map on some of the tourist websites. LOL --- John Harvey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I thought y'all might be interested in looking at this stuff. I am the data manager for the MPD's new RTCC, and one thing I have been preaching is putting data out to the citizens so they can

Re: [OT] CELL PHONE vs. BIBLE

2008-04-18 Thread Stephen Russell
On Fri, Apr 18, 2008 at 10:02 AM, Michael Madigan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Just don't drive while reading it. - New from apple the iBible an addon for your iPhone -- Stephen Russell Sr. Production Systems Programmer Mimeo.com Memphis

Re: [OT] Memphis Real Time Crime Center

2008-04-18 Thread Vince Teachout
John Harvey wrote: https://kiosk.memphispolice.org/realtime/rtcc_mapping.htm There is still work to be done on both of these pages, and we haven't sent the links out yet. Please feel free to make comments on what you think about the pages. Well, I can certainly see where it could be very

Re: [OT] Memphis Real Time Crime Center

2008-04-18 Thread Michael Madigan
Yeah, but the hooker looks like this. http://www.filmmunkey.com/tehfunny/uglyHooker.jpg --- Vince Teachout [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: John Harvey wrote: https://kiosk.memphispolice.org/realtime/rtcc_mapping.htm There is still work to be done on both of these pages, and we haven't sent

Re: [OT] Memphis Real Time Crime Center

2008-04-18 Thread Stephen Russell
On Fri, Apr 18, 2008 at 10:01 AM, John Harvey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I thought y'all might be interested in looking at this stuff. I am the data manager for the MPD's new RTCC, and one thing I have been preaching is putting data out to the citizens so they can be better informed, and

RE: [OT] Memphis Real Time Crime Center

2008-04-18 Thread David Crooks
On Friday, April 18, 2008 11:01 AM John Harvey wrote: I thought y'all might be interested in looking at this stuff. I am the data manager for the MPD's new RTCC, and one thing I have been preaching is putting data out to the citizens so they can be better informed, and therefore can take

Re: [NF} Acronyms - was Re: SP2 Fixes - Light at the end of the tunnel

2008-04-18 Thread MB Software Solutions General Account
Brian Abbott wrote: Hmmm, I assumed (wrongly, obviously) that AIUI was a WKA (well known acronym). Just for interest, who does / doesn't know these: AIUI - as I understand it AKA - also known as IMO - in my opinion IOW - in other words IMHO - in my humble opinion AFAIK - as far as I

[NF] PaFox User Group Meeting announcement

2008-04-18 Thread Jim Harvey
Tamar Granor will be presenting at the May 1, 2008 PaFox Users Group meeting in Fairfax, VA. Please let them know if you plan on attending. http://www.pafox.org/pafoxwcapp/home.fox James E Harvey Hanover Shoe Farms, Inc. M.I.S./Corresponding Officer Off: 717-637-8931 fax: 717-637-6766 email:

RE: [OT] Memphis Real Time Crime Center

2008-04-18 Thread Michael Madigan
David Cook is not a Crooks like you. --- David Crooks [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Friday, April 18, 2008 11:01 AM John Harvey wrote: I thought y'all might be interested in looking at this stuff. I am the data manager for the MPD's new RTCC, and one thing I have been preaching is

Re: [OT] Memphis Real Time Crime Center

2008-04-18 Thread Vince Teachout
Stephen Russell wrote: Good job. I had to reset my firefox because it just grabbed all my cpus. Not sure if it was a lot of tabs open on my side or your page? Hmmm, the same thing happened to me. I just thought it was a coincidence. ___ Post

RE: [OT] Memphis Real Time Crime Center

2008-04-18 Thread John Harvey
Uh, except that is showing where we made arrests! Yeah, come on down and try to hookup, cause we also run John (not me) details. JH -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Vince Teachout Sent: Friday, April 18, 2008 10:28 AM To: ProFox Email List

Re: [OT] God Bless Brigitte Bardot

2008-04-18 Thread Pete Theisen
On Friday 18 April 2008 08:41, Wolfe, Stephen S Civ USAF AMC 6 MDSS/SGSI wrote: Shucks, the website is blocked for me...drats! Hi Stephen! So forward the link to your home email already! Just remember her like this http://www.rumela.com/albums/brigitte_bardot/brigitte_bardot17.jpg ---

Re: [NF] Didn't know Mr. Hale was so despised

2008-04-18 Thread Paul McNett
Ed Leafe wrote: On Apr 18, 2008, at 7:00 AM, Ted Roche wrote: The Global Interpreter Lock is a design feature of Python. There was an implementation that was tried several years ago that removed the GIL and instead relied on C-level locking. It ran 2-3 times slower.

[OT] National Defense Institute report on Iraq

2008-04-18 Thread Ed Leafe
http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2008/4/18/9451/62888 - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - The National Defense Institute, identified by McClatchy as the Pentagon's premier educational institute, came out with a sobering assessment (PDF) of the Iraq war

RE: [NF] Didn't know Mr. Hale was so despised

2008-04-18 Thread Bill Arnold
But I'm just blowing steam: the people working on these issues are so far beyond me I just eat their dust and accept what they say as gospel. They just sound good. There is nothing anyone is saying that hasn't been said before. All we're really doing is re-inventing the same wheels, over

Re: [NF] Didn't know Mr. Hale was so despised

2008-04-18 Thread Ted Roche
On Fri, Apr 18, 2008 at 1:11 PM, Bill Arnold [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: They just sound good. There is nothing anyone is saying that hasn't been said before. All we're really doing is re-inventing the same wheels, over and over. Well, sure, but the state of the art still advances, albeit

RE: [OT] Memphis Real Time Crime Center

2008-04-18 Thread Wolfe, Stephen S Civ USAF AMC 6 MDSS/SGSI
John, that is a very good site and at lunch time we had a good time looking at your inmate population. We see you have been very busy taking a lot of ugly off the streets. Decent looking Homepage. So is that flash or swish you got going there on home? v/r //SIGNED// Stephen S. Wolfe, YA2,

RE: [OT] Memphis Real Time Crime Center

2008-04-18 Thread John Harvey
You think I'm going to stir the waters on this? No thanksG As for Firefox, I have not been impressed. IE 7 works much better for things like google maps. Firefox doesn't even work on some of the google mapping api stuff. JH -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL

RE: [OT] Memphis Real Time Crime Center

2008-04-18 Thread John Harvey
Try again at night and on the weekends. JH -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Michael Madigan Sent: Friday, April 18, 2008 10:30 AM To: ProFox Email List Subject: Re: [OT] Memphis Real Time Crime Center Yeah, but the hooker looks like this.

RE: [OT] National Defense Institute report on Iraq

2008-04-18 Thread John Harvey
And your source was from the daily krazys. Did you expect an assessment that said everything is fine? What about what Patraeus had to say? What about what the Dems who have visited saying things were much better. Cherry pick all you want, we'll be in Iraq for a long time - regardless of who is in

RE: [NF] Didn't know Mr. Hale was so despised

2008-04-18 Thread Bill Arnold
They just sound good. There is nothing anyone is saying that hasn't been said before. All we're really doing is re-inventing the same wheels, over and over. Well, sure, but the state of the art still advances, albeit slowly. OOP has advantages over procedural code, in the right

Re: [NF] Didn't know Mr. Hale was so despised

2008-04-18 Thread Paul McNett
Bill Arnold wrote: From a tools point of view, there isn't a single advance that couldn't have been done with the macro assembler, from structured to object oriented programming and beyond, and that will remain true so long as these machines are binary in nature. But it's not the tools that

RE: [NF] Didn't know Mr. Hale was so despised

2008-04-18 Thread Bill Arnold
But it's not the tools that matter so much as the accomplishments and the social consequences. From these standpoints we're losing, not gaining, ground - despite all that glitters. Knowledge of application development, and the ability to develop truly killer applications by standards

Re: [NF] Didn't know Mr. Hale was so despised

2008-04-18 Thread Paul McNett
Bill Arnold wrote: 1. The macro assembler is effectively the basis for 'high level' languages, all of which produce exactly the same thing: machine code. So whether we're teaching machines using their native language or some 'higher level' dialect we're really just saying the same thing

RE: [OT] Memphis Real Time Crime Center

2008-04-18 Thread John Harvey
That is flash, and I want to use javascript to replay the movie every 15 seconds, but I can't seem to get a handle on the object. If anyone else wants to try, please do. If you can get a reference to the swf file, you should be able to have a javascript timer fire and make it play -

Re: [OT] National Defense Institute report on Iraq

2008-04-18 Thread Ed Leafe
On Apr 18, 2008, at 12:29 PM, John Harvey wrote: And your source was from the daily krazys. Ah, your maturity and intelligence is on full display. Did you expect an assessment that said everything is fine? From the Institute for National Strategic Studies at the

Re: [OT] Memphis Real Time Crime Center

2008-04-18 Thread Vince Teachout
John Harvey wrote: Try again at night and on the weekends. That's when John dons the wig and dress for the undercover work! GDR ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free

RE: [NF] Didn't know Mr. Hale was so despised

2008-04-18 Thread Bill Arnold
1. The macro assembler is effectively the basis for 'high level' languages, all of which produce exactly the same thing: machine code. So whether we're teaching machines using their native language or some 'higher level' dialect we're really just saying the same thing differently.

Re: [NF] Didn't know Mr. Hale was so despised

2008-04-18 Thread MB Software Solutions General Account
Bill Arnold wrote: snipped With a little more time, I could construct an example that looks remarkably like an OOP exercise. IF/ENDIF, DO/ENDDO, DO CASE, etc were early adaptations. Really? I'm not sure if you're relating those two sentences, because the latter (conditional branching)

Re: [NF] Didn't know Mr. Hale was so despised

2008-04-18 Thread Ed Leafe
On Apr 18, 2008, at 1:38 PM, Paul McNett wrote: 2. it's not the how we do part that really matters, it's the what we do, and on that count our record is pitiful. I don't follow this. We are using computers everywhere, advancing our understanding of the universe, coming up with new ways to

Re: [NF] Didn't know Mr. Hale was so despised

2008-04-18 Thread MB Software Solutions General Account
Ed Leafe wrote: On Apr 18, 2008, at 1:38 PM, Paul McNett wrote: 2. it's not the how we do part that really matters, it's the what we do, and on that count our record is pitiful. I don't follow this. We are using computers everywhere, advancing our understanding of the

Re: [NF] Didn't know Mr. Hale was so despised

2008-04-18 Thread Paul McNett
Bill Arnold wrote: There are providences of that super fast, binary switching machine called a computer, not the language. My point of all this is that we didn't need a thousand different tools/languages in the first place, that we could have done everything we wanted to do with the original

[NF] Silverlight off of mono.

2008-04-18 Thread Stephen Russell
they are working on it. Or giving Adobe a run. http://www.news.com/8301-10784_3-9922547-7.html?part=rsssubj=newstag=2547-1_3-0-20 -- Stephen Russell Sr. Production Systems Programmer Mimeo.com Memphis TN 901.246-0159 --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative

[OT] Them plans are trash

2008-04-18 Thread Stephen Russell
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/7355139.stm Blueprints for the new Freedom tower found in trash bin. -- Stephen Russell Sr. Production Systems Programmer Mimeo.com Memphis TN 901.246-0159 --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body --

Re: [NF] Didn't know Mr. Hale was so despised

2008-04-18 Thread Stephen Russell
On Fri, Apr 18, 2008 at 2:34 PM, Ed Leafe [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Apr 18, 2008, at 1:38 PM, Paul McNett wrote: 2. it's not the how we do part that really matters, it's the what we do, and on that count our record is pitiful. I don't follow this. We are using computers everywhere,

RE: [NF] Didn't know Mr. Hale was so despised

2008-04-18 Thread Bill Arnold
With a little more time, I could construct an example that looks remarkably like an OOP exercise. IF/ENDIF, DO/ENDDO, DO CASE, etc were early adaptations. Really? I'm not sure if you're relating those two sentences, because the latter (conditional branching) doesn't equate to

RE: [NF] Didn't know Mr. Hale was so despised

2008-04-18 Thread Bill Arnold
Here's my attempt at translating Bill-speak: We aren't moving everyone to VFP, and all that other stuff is useless, because it isn't VFP. Most of us struggled to accept the fact that VFP wouldn't last forever, and at some point realized that wishing wouldn't change

RE: [NF] Didn't know Mr. Hale was so despised

2008-04-18 Thread Bill Arnold
There are providences of that super fast, binary switching machine called a computer, not the language. My point of all this is that we didn't need a thousand different tools/languages in the first place, that we could have done everything we wanted to do with the original language.

[OT] Next country to fix Nigera

2008-04-18 Thread Stephen Russell
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/business/7355121.stm -- Stephen Russell Sr. Production Systems Programmer Mimeo.com Memphis TN 901.246-0159 --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html ---

Re: [NF] Didn't know Mr. Hale was so despised

2008-04-18 Thread Ed Leafe
On Apr 18, 2008, at 3:06 PM, Bill Arnold wrote: Do you really think that Python is the Last Big Thing? Of course not. But it is a solid language that fits my brain, and allows me to do everything that I need to do. It's also well- established, in that it is used extensively by many

Re: [NF] Didn't know Mr. Hale was so despised

2008-04-18 Thread Ed Leafe
On Apr 18, 2008, at 3:38 PM, Bill Arnold wrote: Among programmers perhaps, but still the unanswered question lingers: why are we all so caught up with the how to do and not paying attention to the what to do? I don't mean that rhetorically, nor to suggest the answer isn't obvious: that we're

[NF] Will MySQL Keep Lighting up LAMP?

2008-04-18 Thread David Crooks
http://www.cio.com/article/336965/Will_MySQL_Keep_Lighting_up_LAMP_ ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech

Re: [NF] Will MySQL Keep Lighting up LAMP?

2008-04-18 Thread Ted Roche
On Fri, Apr 18, 2008 at 5:08 PM, David Crooks [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://www.cio.com/article/336965/Will_MySQL_Keep_Lighting_up_LAMP_ Ugly headline, too clever by half. Here's the scoop: one of the innovative companies that tried to combine Open Source software creation with a money-making

RE: [NF] Didn't know Mr. Hale was so despised

2008-04-18 Thread Bill Arnold
Do you really think that Python is the Last Big Thing? Of course not. But it is a solid language that fits my brain, and allows me to do everything that I need to do. It's also well- established, in that it is used extensively by many large companies, so it isn't considered

Re: [NF] Didn't know Mr. Hale was so despised

2008-04-18 Thread Paul McNett
Bill Arnold wrote: Do you really think that Python is the Last Big Thing? Who ever made that claim? We ride the surf of technology, using the right tool for the job in the era. That would be depressing to think that anything is the Last Big Thing. A pessimist's view. Paul

Re: [NF] Didn't know Mr. Hale was so despised

2008-04-18 Thread Paul McNett
Bill Arnold wrote: Do you really think that Python is the Last Big Thing? Of course not. But it is a solid language that fits my brain, and allows me to do everything that I need to do. It's also well- established, in that it is used extensively by many large companies, so it

RE: [NF] Didn't know Mr. Hale was so despised

2008-04-18 Thread Bill Arnold
Among programmers perhaps, but still the unanswered question lingers: why are we all so caught up with the how to do and not paying attention to the what to do? I don't mean that rhetorically, nor to suggest the answer isn't obvious: that we're an entire generation devoid of any

RE: [NF] Didn't know Mr. Hale was so despised

2008-04-18 Thread Bill Arnold
Do you really think that Python is the Last Big Thing? Who ever made that claim? We ride the surf of technology, using the right tool for the job in the era. That would be depressing to think that anything is the Last Big Thing. A pessimist's view. All well, good and true for

Re: [NF] Will MySQL Keep Lighting up LAMP?

2008-04-18 Thread Alan Bourke
Another tick for PostgreSQL ... -- Alan Bourke [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech

Re: [NF] Silverlight off of mono.

2008-04-18 Thread Alan Bourke
I've been having a look at the Silverlight 2 Beta in Visual Studio 2008 and I've got to say, once they get full drag-and-drop UI building into it (it's already in Expression Blend) then they will have a seriously impressive platform. If they help out the Moonlight project, like they've said they

Re: [NF] Didn't know Mr. Hale was so despised

2008-04-18 Thread Ted Roche
On Fri, Apr 18, 2008 at 5:32 PM, Paul McNett [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 10 years, eh? You don't think that next year people will be asking why your app needs to be run in 32-bit compatibility mode? Or in two years why it doesn't run on Mac or Linux, or can't be made to run at reasonable

RE: [NF] Will MySQL Keep Lighting up LAMP?

2008-04-18 Thread Allen
Im a bit confused, nothing unusual. mySQL is or was open source. Who actualy owned it ? And how can it be sold when it’s a colaboration of peoples work. Sort of stinks that someone can get people to do the work then sell them down the river. Or maybe it just says what a big stink some people are.

RE: [NF] Didn't know Mr. Hale was so despised

2008-04-18 Thread Bill Arnold
10 years, eh? You don't think that next year people will be asking why your app needs to be run in 32-bit compatibility mode? Or in two years why it doesn't run on Mac or Linux, or can't be made to run at reasonable cost on the web? I think you're presuming a scarcity of developments

RE: [NF] Didn't know Mr. Hale was so despised

2008-04-18 Thread Allen
No you don’t understand. The rot is in and our opponents will already be in with the knifes. It may be ok for all those that play with programming but for those with products and competitors its all tits up. The did you know they use a dead language has already happened for me. And that’s before

Re: [NF] Didn't know Mr. Hale was so despised

2008-04-18 Thread Stephen Russell
On Fri, Apr 18, 2008 at 5:00 PM, Ted Roche [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The open source option will, by definition, never be taken away from us. Come join us. It's All About Choice. If you choose to keep selling rich-client apps to your clients who are tied to Windows, you might be able to

Re: [NF] Didn't know Mr. Hale was so despised

2008-04-18 Thread Kenneth Kixmoeller/fh
On Apr 18, 2008, at 5:00 PM, Ted Roche wrote: The open source option will, by definition, never be taken away from us. Come join us. It's All About Choice. Yup, but the real choice is for *us* in out businesses or careers. Stephen has hitched his horse to M$ and .NET. Technically we

Re: [OT] CELL PHONE vs. BIBLE

2008-04-18 Thread Ricardo Araoz
Stephen Russell wrote: CELL PHONE vs. BIBLE I wonder what would happen if we treated our Bibles like we treat our cell phones? What if we carried it around in our purses or pockets? What if we flipped through it several times a day? What if we turned back to go get it if we forgot it?

Re: [OT] Memphis Real Time Crime Center

2008-04-18 Thread Ricardo Araoz
John Harvey wrote: I thought y'all might be interested in looking at this stuff. I am the data manager for the MPD's new RTCC, and one thing I have been preaching is putting data out to the citizens so they can be better informed, and therefore can take appropriate steps to ensure their

Re: [OT] Memphis Real Time Crime Center

2008-04-18 Thread Ricardo Araoz
John Harvey wrote: Try again at night and on the weekends. JH -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Michael Madigan Sent: Friday, April 18, 2008 10:30 AM To: ProFox Email List Subject: Re: [OT] Memphis Real Time Crime Center Yeah,

Re: [OT] National Defense Institute report on Iraq

2008-04-18 Thread Ricardo Araoz
John Harvey wrote: And your source was from the daily krazys. Did you expect an assessment that said everything is fine? What about what Patraeus had to say? What about what the Dems who have visited saying things were much better. Cherry pick all you want, we'll be in Iraq for a long time -

Re: [NF] Didn't know Mr. Hale was so despised

2008-04-18 Thread Ed Leafe
On Apr 18, 2008, at 5:17 PM, Allen wrote: As for open source, look whats happened to MySQL. Not a good sign. You do know that it's still open source, right? That you can download the source code, read it, make changes, add stuff, whatever? That you can then turn around and

RE: [NF] Didn't know Mr. Hale was so despised

2008-04-18 Thread Bill Arnold
No you don't understand. The rot is in and our opponents will already be in with the knifes. It may be ok for all those that play with programming but for those with products and competitors its all tits up. The did you know they use a dead language has already happened for me. And

RE: [OT] Memphis Real Time Crime Center

2008-04-18 Thread John Harvey
Hold that thought, while I reposition the spy satellites. . . . -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ricardo Araoz Sent: Friday, April 18, 2008 6:06 PM To: ProFox Email List Subject: Re: [OT] Memphis Real Time Crime Center John Harvey wrote:

RE: [OT] National Defense Institute report on Iraq

2008-04-18 Thread John Harvey
I have several steady jobs and plan to keep them for as long as I plan to keep them. I routinely turn people down for consulting gigs. You? JH -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ricardo Araoz Sent: Friday, April 18, 2008 6:08 PM To: ProFox

Re: [NF] Didn't know Mr. Hale was so despised

2008-04-18 Thread Ed Leafe
On Apr 18, 2008, at 7:22 PM, Bill Arnold wrote: We're not selling a language as such, but computer solutions, particularly to small business operators who the Big Guys tend to shun. Wow, from all the protesting you make, I would have assumed that you *are* pushing VFP as an

Re: [NF] Didn't know Mr. Hale was so despised

2008-04-18 Thread Ted Roche
On Fri, Apr 18, 2008 at 6:24 PM, Kenneth Kixmoeller/fh [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yup, but the real choice is for *us* in out businesses or careers. The smart money is on diversification. Stephen has hitched his horse to M$ and .NET. Technically we can argue all we want, but it is his

RE: [NF] Didn't know Mr. Hale was so despised

2008-04-18 Thread Bill Arnold
We're not selling a language as such, but computer solutions, particularly to small business operators who the Big Guys tend to shun. Wow, from all the protesting you make, I would have assumed that you *are* pushing VFP as an advantage. It is a great advantage to have a

[OT] joke

2008-04-18 Thread Stephen Russell
*Fred, the Cowboy* A cowboy lay sprawled across three entire seats in the posh Amarillo Theater. When the usher came by and noticed this, he whispered to the cowboy, Sorry, sir, but you're only allowed one seat. The cowboy groaned, but didn't budge. The usher became more impatient. Sir, if you

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