[NF] Win7 annoyances, seem a little petty to me.

I don't have the touch screen capability, looks cool on some videos that I have seen. I am trying to get my head around the notifications area. Like removing the Explorer from it to begin with. Keeping the file extention out of sig

RE: [NF] Win7 annoyances, seem a little petty to me.

What is the Notifications area? I find the lack of extensions confusing - particularly when you have 3 or 4 files with the same name but a different extension such as setup.txt, setup.exe and setup.msi which I came across recently. John Weller 01380 723235 07976 393631 > I don't have the touch

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On Tue, Aug 25, 2009 at 4:18 PM, John Weller wrote: > What is the Notifications area? > > I find the lack of extensions confusing - particularly when you have 3 or 4 > files with the same name but a different extension such as setup.txt, > setup.exe and setup.msi which I came across recently. -

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Stephen Russell wrote: > Keeping the file extention out of sight makes sense to me, you change > it if you are capable. Otherwise you would have over written one and > screwed up the file, IMHO. ;-> Hiding file extensions if fine in a save-as dialog for a specific app. But it is totally frakki

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If the icons are present is wrong? Sent from my iPhone On Aug 25, 2009, at 5:03 PM, Paul McNett wrote: > Stephen Russell wrote: >> Keeping the file extention out of sight makes sense to me, you change >> it if you are capable. Otherwise you would have over written one and >> screwed up the fil

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Paul McNett wrote: > Stephen Russell wrote: > >> Keeping the file extention out of sight makes sense to me, you change >> it if you are capable. Otherwise you would have over written one and >> screwed up the file, IMHO. ;-> >> > > Hiding file extensions if fine in a save-as dialog for a

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Mine wrote: > If the icons are present is wrong? Yes, because it is hiding the true name of the file. The file name includes the file extension. Paul ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo

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Eugene Vital wrote: > Having to switch to Detail View every time I use the File Open > dialog... That is another huge annoyance. What about when you click on the c: drive in Explorer and you get the "you aren't smart enough to view these files" message. Paul

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Hi Paul, > What about when you click on the c: drive in Explorer and you get the "you aren't smart enough to view these files" message. What does that have to do with Windows 7? -- Christof ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maint

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Hi Paul, > totally frakking ridiculous when looking at files in Windows *Explorer* On my normal user account I've left things the way Microsoft set them up after a brief period of testing other settings. It's much easier to work with Windows when I don't see folders that I don't need for my daily

RE: [NF] Win7 annoyances, seem a little petty to me.

ginal Message- From: profoxtech-boun...@leafe.com [mailto:profoxtech-boun...@leafe.com] On Behalf Of Christof Wollenhaupt Sent: Wednesday, August 26, 2009 12:51 AM To: profoxt...@leafe.com Subject: RE: [NF] Win7 annoyances, seem a little petty to me. Hi Paul, > totally frakking ridiculous wh

RE: [NF] Win7 annoyances, seem a little petty to me.

To: profoxt...@leafe.com > Subject: RE: [NF] Win7 annoyances, seem a little petty to me. > > I'm not sure why there's so much angst over a few simple clicks in the > default folder views for Windows 7. Everything you want ( details view, > extensions, and so on) are all rig

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On Tue, Aug 25, 2009 at 7:30 PM, Paul McNett wrote: > Eugene Vital wrote: >> Having to switch to Detail View every time I use the File Open >> dialog... > > That is another huge annoyance. > > What about when you click on the c: drive in Explorer and you get the "you > aren't > smart enoug

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Christof Wollenhaupt wrote: > Hi Paul, > >> What about when you click on the c: drive in Explorer and you get the "you > aren't smart enough to view these files" message. > > What does that have to do with Windows 7? Oh, sorry, I'm unaware. Did they take this away in Windows 7? Paul

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David Smith wrote: > I'm not sure why there's so much angst over a few simple clicks in the > default folder views for Windows 7. Everything you want ( details view, > extensions, and so on) are all right there. Unlike their introduction of the > Office Ribbon, they have not removed choice this tim

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David Smith wrote: > break something important. Having broken it so badly I've had to reload the > OS at least a dozen times while learning what made it tick, I sure wish > Ubuntu would have waved a flag at me and say " Yo! Dummy! Be careful in > here!". Oh, wait, I missed that you were talkin

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Stephen Russell wrote: > On Tue, Aug 25, 2009 at 7:30 PM, Paul McNett wrote: >> What about when you click on the c: drive in Explorer and you get the "you >> aren't >> smart enough to view these files" message. > > > > That was 2 versions ago. Sorry, I've not ad

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On Wed, Aug 26, 2009 at 9:14 AM, Paul McNett wrote: > David Smith wrote: >> I'm not sure why there's so much angst over a few simple clicks in the >> default folder views for Windows 7. Everything you want ( details view, >> extensions, and so on) are all right there. Unlike their introduction of t

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Hi Paul, > The other major operating systems simply make it impossible for a normal user to do anything damaging in system folders. Show them all the files, but don't let them modify them. How exactly is this any different from what Windows does in the past 10 years? You can only modify files in

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On Wed, Aug 26, 2009 at 9:19 AM, Paul McNett wrote: > Stephen Russell wrote: >> On Tue, Aug 25, 2009 at 7:30 PM, Paul McNett wrote: >>> What about when you click on the c: drive in Explorer and you get the "you >>> aren't >>> smart enough to view these files" message. >> --

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On Aug 26, 2009, at 9:19 AM, Paul McNett wrote: >> I agree that it was stupid for those of us who knew what we were >> doing. > > What's maddening is Microsoft assuming their users are stupid. But Paul, the vast, vast, vast majority of them *are*. I still do some occasional application teach

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Christof Wollenhaupt wrote: > Hi Paul, > >> The other major operating systems simply make it impossible for a normal > user to do anything damaging in system folders. Show them all the files, but > don't let them modify them. > > How exactly is this any different from what Windows does in the pas

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I agree with Ken whole-heartedly! In the last few weeks I have come across users who do not know the difference between Windows and Word - as far as they are concerned Word is Windows and vice-versa. I have one who couldn't understand why she a) couldn't see a PDF document from within Word and b)

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John Weller wrote: > I agree with Ken whole-heartedly! In the last few weeks I have come across > users who do not know the difference between Windows and Word - as far as > they are concerned Word is Windows and vice-versa. I have one who couldn't > understand why she a) couldn't see a PDF docum

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Nah - they are users and don't want to be confused by details . Most of them wouldn't know an extension if it bit them on the leg. They store everything in My Documents and have no concept of folders or, in some cases, meaningful titles - but enough of the foibles of users. Like most here I am i

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On Aug 26, 2009, at 11:45 AM, Paul McNett wrote: > Hmm, maybe users get confused because they can't tell the > difference between pdf > files and word files because essential things that would build > knowledge are hidden > from them. Like file extensions. Good point. But the subtle concept

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On Wed, Aug 26, 2009 at 11:59 AM, John Weller wrote: > Nah - they are users and don't want to be confused by details .  Most of > them wouldn't know an extension if it bit them on the leg.  They store > everything in My Documents and have no concept of folders or, in some cases, > meaningful titles

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Hi Paul, > she can freely delete or rename files in in c:\Windows. Has this finally changed? Yes, this was one of the changes in Vista and one reason why people started complaining how bad Vista is. -- Christof ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.c

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Hi Paul, > Hmm, maybe users get confused because they can't tell the difference between pdf files and word files because essential things that would build knowledge are hidden from them. Like file extensions. Users get confused because they are forced to know what the difference between a Word do

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Christof Wollenhaupt wrote: > Hi Paul, > >> she can freely delete or rename files in in c:\Windows. Has this finally > changed? > > Yes, this was one of the changes in Vista and one reason why people started > complaining how bad Vista is. See why good design can't just be grafted on as an afte

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Christof Wollenhaupt wrote: > Hi Paul, > >> Hmm, maybe users get confused because they can't tell the difference > between pdf files and word files because essential things that would build > knowledge are hidden from them. Like file extensions. > > Users get confused because they are forced to k

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At 10:15 2009-08-26, Christof Wollenhaupt wrote: [snip] >Users get confused because they are forced to know what the difference >between a Word document, and open office document and a PDF file is. As far >as the user is concernced they have documents they can edit, and those they >can't edit. I

RE: [NF] Win7 annoyances, seem a little petty to me.

I very rarely do anything on a Mac, but one of the things that I like about a Mac is that information about the file type is actually in the file. The file doesn't have to have an extension for the OS to know how to handle it. Regards Rodney > -Original Message- > > On Mac, they truly d

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On Wed, Aug 26, 2009 at 2:05 PM, Gene Wirchenko wrote: > At 10:15 2009-08-26, Christof Wollenhaupt wrote: > > [snip] > >>Users get confused because they are forced to know what the difference >>between a Word document, and open office document and a PDF file is. As far >>as the user is concernced

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At 12:36 2009-08-26, Stephen Russell wrote: >On Wed, Aug 26, 2009 at 2:05 PM, Gene Wirchenko wrote: > > At 10:15 2009-08-26, Christof Wollenhaupt wrote: > > > > [snip] > > > >>Users get confused because they are forced to know what the difference > >>between a Word document, and open office docum

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: Thursday, 27 August 2009 1:56 AM To: ProFox Email List Subject: Re: [NF] Win7 annoyances, seem a little petty to me. On Aug 26, 2009, at 9:19 AM, Paul McNett wrote: >> I agree that it was stupid for those of us who knew what we were >> doing. > > What's maddening is Microso

RE: [NF] Win7 annoyances, seem a little petty to me.

Win7 annoyances, seem a little petty to me. I agree with Ken whole-heartedly! In the last few weeks I have come across users who do not know the difference between Windows and Word - as far as they are concerned Word is Windows and vice-versa. I have one who couldn't understand why she a) couldn&#

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@leafe.com Subject: Re: [NF] Win7 annoyances, seem a little petty to me. John Weller wrote: > I agree with Ken whole-heartedly! In the last few weeks I have come across > users who do not know the difference between Windows and Word - as far as > they are concerned Word is Windows and vice-

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m [mailto:profoxtech-boun...@leafe.com] On Behalf Of Ken Kixmoeller/fh Sent: Wednesday, August 26, 2009 12:59 PM To: profoxt...@leafe.com Subject: Re: [NF] Win7 annoyances, seem a little petty to me. On Aug 26, 2009, at 11:45 AM, Paul McNett wrote: > Hmm, maybe users get confused because they ca

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On Wed, Aug 26, 2009 at 6:20 PM, Geoff wrote: > one of the advantages of school kids learning to use computers at school is > that you get people coming into the workplace with a reasonably good > knowledge of basic computer skills. you don't have to tell them the > difference between and OS and an

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On Thu, Aug 27, 2009 at 12:22 AM, Geoff wrote: > i think hiding file extensions is the DUMBEST thing in the windows > installation. for instance I put a setup CD in the machine and it doesnt > autostart. easy. open explorer and look for setup.exe Of course there are > three setup files without exte

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Paul Hill wrote: > On Thu, Aug 27, 2009 at 12:22 AM, Geoff wrote: >> i think hiding file extensions is the DUMBEST thing in the windows >> installation. for instance I put a setup CD in the machine and it doesnt >> autostart. easy. open explorer and look for setup.exe Of course there are >> three s

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At 10:09 2009-08-27, Paul Hill wrote: >On Thu, Aug 27, 2009 at 12:22 AM, Geoff wrote: > > i think hiding file extensions is the DUMBEST thing in the windows > > installation. for instance I put a setup CD in the machine and it doesnt > > autostart. easy. open explorer and look for setup.exe Of cou

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Hey Paul - you made me chuckle with this response of yours. Not necessarily because of the content - but, rather - part of your FRAKking wording! My guess is that you are a fan of the new BattleStar Galactic show - as that is the ONLY place I have ever heard of the word "Frak" used in replace of th

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Kurt Wendt wrote: > Hey Paul - you made me chuckle with this response of yours. Not > necessarily because of the content - but, rather - part of your FRAKking > wording! My guess is that you are a fan of the new BattleStar Galactic > show - as that is the ONLY place I have ever heard of the word "F

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I think a smarter design would have been that if you do NOT have files with similar names, then hide the extensions because the Type should explain it - but otherwise, show it. It would be one of those natural behaviors that no one would notice until it was pointed out and they would say "gee,

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At 02:34 2009-08-31, Andrew MacNeill wrote: >I think a smarter design would have been that if you do NOT have files >with similar names, then hide the extensions because the Type should >explain it - but otherwise, show it. > >It would be one of those natural behaviors that no one would notice >un

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On Mon, Aug 31, 2009 at 11:53 PM, Gene Wirchenko wrote: > At 02:34 2009-08-31, Andrew MacNeill wrote: >>I think a smarter design would have been that if you do NOT have files >>with similar names, then hide the extensions because the Type should >>explain it - but otherwise, show it. >> >>It would

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At 05:03 2009-09-01, Stephen Russell wrote: >On Mon, Aug 31, 2009 at 11:53 PM, Gene Wirchenko wrote: > > At 02:34 2009-08-31, Andrew MacNeill wrote: > >>I think a smarter design would have been that if you do NOT have files > >>with similar names, then hide the extensions because the Type should