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Graham Dobson wrote: >> Erhh... that would be Isabel Peron (her real full name is Maria Estela >> Martinez de Peron), Eva was Peron's first wife and died a long time ago. >> > Which one sang don't cry for me Argentina? > > Eva. ___ Post Messages to:

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On Thursday 28 June 2007 01:49, Graham Dobson wrote: > >Erhh... that would be Isabel Peron (her real full name is Maria Estela > >Martinez de Peron), Eva was Peron's first wife and died a long time ago. > > Which one sang don't cry for me Argentina? Hi Graham! Neither. That was a song from the pl

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>Erhh... that would be Isabel Peron (her real full name is Maria Estela >Martinez de Peron), Eva was Peron's first wife and died a long time ago. > Which one sang don't cry for me Argentina? ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenanc

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Graham Dobson wrote: >> Ok. After I go to your home and kill your family, and steal your car, >> THEN I'll ask you to forget it all, and if you refuse then you'll be >> "very much still stuck in an outraged past". The military here (the ones >> who killed 60,000 people) say the same thing, that we

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>Ok. After I go to your home and kill your family, and steal your car, >THEN I'll ask you to forget it all, and if you refuse then you'll be >"very much still stuck in an outraged past". The military here (the ones >who killed 60,000 people) say the same thing, that we must forget in >order to heal

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Graham Dobson wrote: >> Lets talk about Nicaragua. Killing civilians (peasants), is it terrorism >> or guerilla warfare? Because it was a common thing for the 'Contras' to >> do. Or civilians must be killed by a bomb to be terrorism? And if the >> one who plants the bomb has a uniform then he is no

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Michael Madigan wrote: > You fags couldn't even hold the Falklands. > Ask the Brits if we didn't give them a good fight with as little as we had. We lost, but it was not as shameful as you in VietNam where you had everything in your favor except reason and guts. > > --- Ricardo Aráoz <[EMAIL PR

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Michael Madigan wrote: > This coming from a guy who lives in a country where > all the Nazis were welcomed with open arms. > I keep forgetting you're a poor old man who got stuck in the 50's. The Nazis where welcome then. In the 70's, a similar breed ruled us with your country's support and kille

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> >Lets talk about Nicaragua. Killing civilians (peasants), is it terrorism >or guerilla warfare? Because it was a common thing for the 'Contras' to >do. Or civilians must be killed by a bomb to be terrorism? And if the >one who plants the bomb has a uniform then he is not a terrorist? Are >those c

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You fags couldn't even hold the Falklands. --- Ricardo Aráoz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Michael Madigan wrote: > > It's a perfect analogy. > > > > When you punch a schoolyard bully in the face, he > > stops bullying you. > > > > When you let a schoolyard bully push you around, > he > > conti

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This coming from a guy who lives in a country where all the Nazis were welcomed with open arms. --- Ricardo Aráoz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Michael Madigan wrote: > > How many Nazis were created after WWII? > > > > Let's start counting. There's you, your boyfriend > Pete. > > > > > -

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Graham Dobson wrote: > I think you confuse guerilla warfare with terrorism. Global terrorists blew > up the world trade center, the London underground, the Madrid train system, > the Bali night clubs, US embassy's in Kenya and Tanzania, the USS Cole, > holiday resorts in Egypt and Turkey and are a

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Michael Madigan wrote: > It's a perfect analogy. > > When you punch a schoolyard bully in the face, he > stops bullying you. > > When you let a schoolyard bully push you around, he > continues to push you around. > Not true! The Vietnamese punched you hard, made you cry like a baby, and yet her

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Michael Madigan wrote: > How many Nazis were created after WWII? > Let's start counting. There's you, your boyfriend Pete. > > --- MB Software Solutions General Account > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> Michael Madigan wrote: >>> So let's not kill any. Right? >>> >>> >> Let's fortify o

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Interesting thought... "While the colonists in the Revolutionary War certainly used guerilla tactics against the British Army, they also employed attacks against civilians, especially in areas sympathetic to the Crown. Massachusetts in particular had a very high number of civilian deaths." C

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john harvey wrote: > What's the big deal with virgins anyway? Once you've had them, they are no > longer virgins and who would want that! > Not only that, most men can't deal with the one ex virgin they live with, > much less seventy some odd - nagging, overly expensive, anti-sexual > so-and-sos.(V

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June 24, 2007 6:59 PM To: ProFox Email List Subject: Re: [OT] Tokyo Rose On Sunday 24 June 2007 12:48, MB Software Solutions General Account wrote: > that crap about 77 virgins Hi Michael! That is 72 virgins, dammit. What are you trying to do, kill them? :-) -- Regards, Pete http://www.pe

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On Sunday 24 June 2007 12:48, MB Software Solutions General Account wrote: > that crap about 77 virgins Hi Michael! That is 72 virgins, dammit. What are you trying to do, kill them? :-) -- Regards, Pete http://www.pete-theisen.com/ ___ Post Messag

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On Sunday 24 June 2007 06:17, Ed Leafe wrote: >the colonists who revolted against the British used terrorism as a tactic Hi Ed! Really! The only terror victims I can think of in the American Revolution are a few cases of tea that got an unscheduled brewing in Boston Harbor. "Terror", indeed.

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On Jun 24, 2007, at 3:09 PM, Graham Dobson wrote: > I think you confuse guerilla warfare with terrorism. No, terrorism is attacks against non-military targets designed to inflict a fear in the general populace in an effort to attract sympathizers and change the prevailing sentiment. W

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I think you confuse guerilla warfare with terrorism. Global terrorists blew up the world trade center, the London underground, the Madrid train system, the Bali night clubs, US embassy's in Kenya and Tanzania, the USS Cole, holiday resorts in Egypt and Turkey and are a threat to crash a plane into

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On June 6 2007, the US army and the Turkish came very close to conflict. The Turks have moved a massive military presence to the Kurdish border and have said that they will not accept an independent Kurdish state. Ditto Iran which is also home to a Kurdish population at least as large as its Shia

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Ed Leafe wrote: > On Jun 23, 2007, at 7:55 PM, MB Software Solutions General Account > wrote: > > >> He's no God, and I don't consider "Allah" to be a god like the true >> Christian God. They're just religious fanatical nutbags. Same as the >> whackos here who kill abortion doctors. >>

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Ed Leafe wrote: > On Jun 23, 2007, at 7:55 PM, MB Software Solutions General Account > wrote: > > >> He's no God, and I don't consider "Allah" to be a god like the true >> Christian God. They're just religious fanatical nutbags. Same as the >> whackos here who kill abortion doctors. >>

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On Jun 24, 2007, at 8:42 AM, Leland F. Jackson, CPA wrote: > 1) You could partition the country under treaties between the Shiite, > Sunni, and Kurd factions, but many powerful Iraqis oppose this idea. > Also, this would weaken the country against possible outside enemies > like Iran. You know a

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Do you feel like the Maliki government and army are shielding, or protecting, insurgents who are entering Iraq from Iran and Syria, because they are all Shiite Muslims who share a common Religion/Cause? I would agree Sunni Muslim leadership in Iraq would do more to identify and eliminate Shii

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On Jun 24, 2007, at 8:01 AM, Helio W. wrote: > Israel past struggles come to mind... didn't Menachem Begin kill > british people by exploding bombs? Yes; he was well-known for using terrorism to advance the cause he believed in. -- Ed Leafe -- http://leafe.com -- http://dabodev.com

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Israel past struggles come to mind... didn't Menachem Begin kill british people by exploding bombs? On 6/24/07, Ed Leafe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Terrorism is also "in the eye of the beholder". The terrorists in > Nicaragua in the 1980s were politically sympathetic to the US, so > Ro

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On Jun 23, 2007, at 7:55 PM, MB Software Solutions General Account wrote: > He's no God, and I don't consider "Allah" to be a god like the true > Christian God. They're just religious fanatical nutbags. Same as the > whackos here who kill abortion doctors. I don't follow that logic. T

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On Jun 23, 2007, at 11:39 PM, Graham Dobson wrote: > Because that's what is lacking in the current equation. Iraq has > to be > composed of the real representation of all the three main groups, > Kurd, > Sunni and Shiite. But it will take a strong Sunni political > movement to end > the ins

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On Jun 23, 2007, at 11:38 PM, Graham Dobson wrote: > No, actually I was in complete favour of the removal of Sadam. Then ergo, you must have understood that only through his ruthless tactics was he able to keep the factions that have been warring for thousands of years at bay. Or don'

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On Jun 23, 2007, at 11:38 PM, Graham Dobson wrote: > I believe these fanatical jihadists are completely warped. I would imagine that they might see you similarly. > America and the west are not the cause of their hatred. Warped > clerics and teachers from > their repressive, backward

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On Jun 23, 2007, at 9:35 PM, Leland F. Jackson, CPA wrote: > Again, a faulty analogy. Terrorism is not nearly as structured as a > colony of ants. There is no single leadership figure, or mother head, > in the terrorist organizational structure, than when eliminated would > destroy the entire co

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> >Why do you think it would take a "strong Sunni" leader to unify Iraq. Because that's what is lacking in the current equation. Iraq has to be composed of the real representation of all the three main groups, Kurd, Sunni and Shiite. But it will take a strong Sunni political movement to end the i

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> > Oh, so you must have been opposed to the removal of Saddam, since >anyone with even a bit of knowledge of the region knew that only his >ruthlessness was able to hold together that unstable mix of divergent >interests. All military assessments before the invasion agreed that >it w

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> I believe these fanatical jihadists are completely warped. America and the west are not the cause of their hatred. Warped clerics and teachers from their repressive, backward homelands and an extreme, intolerant reading of Muslim religious texts are. The vast majority of Muslims are as sickened

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On Saturday 23 June 2007 20:24, Michael Madigan wrote: > We've had an ant problem at my house for years, every > spring we have to put out ant baits, that the ants > carry back to their queen, killing her and all the > workers. > > I wish someone was working on a similar solution for > the terroris

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Again, a faulty analogy. Terrorism is not nearly as structured as a colony of ants. There is no single leadership figure, or mother head, in the terrorist organizational structure, than when eliminated would destroy the entire colony, like there is in an ant colony. Terrorist groups are loos

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We've had an ant problem at my house for years, every spring we have to put out ant baits, that the ants carry back to their queen, killing her and all the workers. I wish someone was working on a similar solution for the terrorists. ___ Post Message

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Again, Terrorism is a tactic whereby terrorist carry out acts of violence, or treats of violence, to create a platform on which to protest. The acts of terrorism provide the terrorist with a voice to express grievances. Terrorism is applied to encourage change; not to defeat a country into su

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I believe your theories should be in the tidy bowl. --- "Leland F. Jackson, CPA" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > To bad Terrorism doesn't fall into such a nice tidy > bowl: > > #-- > > > End of the war in Europe > > /Main articles: Yalta Conferenc

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On Saturday 23 June 2007 18:43, MB Software Solutions General Account wrote: > Are we better off terrorists being dead? Yes, perhaps, but not if it > spawns the creation of 2 for every one we kill! Hi Michael! The myth that there are 2 terrorists created every time we kill one is a D (or A) ar

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It's a perfect analogy. When you punch a schoolyard bully in the face, he stops bullying you. When you let a schoolyard bully push you around, he continues to push you around. --- "Leland F. Jackson, CPA" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Your analogy is flawed. For one thing, Germany is a > coun

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Hummm, perhaps this is better: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_War_II#End_of_the_war_in_Europe Regards, LelandJ Leland F. Jackson, CPA wrote: > To bad Terrorism doesn't fall into such a nice tidy bowl: > > #-- > > > End of the war in Europe > >

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To bad Terrorism doesn't fall into such a nice tidy bowl: #-- End of the war in Europe /Main articles: Yalta Conference , End of World War II in Europe

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Your analogy is flawed. For one thing, Germany is a country against whom the U.S. and other countries officially declared war. Germany and its Nazi army were defeated and surrender under terms dictated by the allied Forces. Terrorism isn't like that. Regards, LelandJ Michael Madigan wrote:

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How many Nazis were created after WWII? --- MB Software Solutions General Account <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Michael Madigan wrote: > > So let's not kill any. Right? > > > > > Let's fortify our borders and improve our > infrastructure to resist them > even more. > > Would you spend $3 to

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Graham Dobson wrote: > Sunni Arab countries don't want to see the US cut and run from Iraq. They > are frightened by the growing threat of Iran; because, Leland, unlike the > US, Iran is a country run by a terrifying and extremist God. > He's no God, and I don't consider "Allah" to be a god lik

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om this, except perhaps Iran and radical jihadists. > Graham > > >> -Original Message- >> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] >> Behalf Of Ed Leafe >> Sent: Saturday, June 23, 2007 8:09 AM >> To: ProFox Email List >> Subject: Re:

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Michael Madigan wrote: > So let's not kill any. Right? > > Let's fortify our borders and improve our infrastructure to resist them even more. Would you spend $3 to make $2? Are we better off terrorists being dead? Yes, perhaps, but not if it spawns the creation of 2 for every one we kill!

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7 8:09 AM >To: ProFox Email List >Subject: Re: [OT] Tokyo Rose > > >On Jun 23, 2007, at 1:27 AM, Graham Dobson wrote: > >> I think there is also a moral obligation not to abandon Iraq. A >> failed >> state in the heart of the middle east will be a breeding ground for

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So let's not kill any. Right? --- MB Software Solutions General Account <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Ed Leafe wrote: > > Believers in the pre-emptive war approach nearly > always see > > terrorism as a force without a cause: that "those > people" are simply > > violently evil by nature,

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Ed Leafe wrote: > Believers in the pre-emptive war approach nearly always see > terrorism as a force without a cause: that "those people" are simply > violently evil by nature, and we need to eliminate them in the name > of self-preservation. They don't even consider the possibility tha

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On Jun 23, 2007, at 1:27 AM, Graham Dobson wrote: > I think there is also a moral obligation not to abandon Iraq. A > failed > state in the heart of the middle east will be a breeding ground for > terrorists to launch attacks around the world. Oh, so you must have been opposed to the r

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On Jun 23, 2007, at 12:40 AM, Leland F. Jackson, CPA wrote: > Recent studies indicate the present tactic of preemptive war is > aggravating the terrorist treat, rather than reducing it, making our > country less safe. Believers in the pre-emptive war approach nearly always see terrorism

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The same exact people who surrendered to Vietnam are trying to have us surrender to Al Qaeda. John Kerry Ted Kennedy Jane Fonda The same old creeps. --- Graham Dobson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I think there is also a moral obligation not to > abandon Iraq. A failed > state in the heart of

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I think there is also a moral obligation not to abandon Iraq. A failed state in the heart of the middle east will be a breeding ground for terrorists to launch attacks around the world. You commented earlier on the defeatist note of congressional hearings on the surge and I think you illustrate c

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Graham Dobson wrote: >> Please point me to the congressional declaration of war. With whom are >> we at war; the Sunni, the Shiite, the insurgents, the kurds, the >> Islamics? We can't be at war with Terrorist, because the term is to >> broad; to undefined. Terrorism is a tactic, usually violent

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Yeah, as President Bush said "bring it on". Who's next? Korea, Iran, Syria, Jordon, Saudi Arabia. There are even terrorist in Europe, so let's take the war to Russia, France, and Britain. We can have the boys kick in every doors of every house in every city in the country to make sure nobod

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On Jun 22, 2007, at 11:33 PM, Graham Dobson wrote: > Nonsense. The families of the three Canadian soldiers killed in > Afghanistan > this weekend know different. Counter-insurgency (in Iraq or > anywhere else) > is still war-fare. And David Patreaus wrote the book on it for the US > militar

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> >Please point me to the congressional declaration of war. With whom are >we at war; the Sunni, the Shiite, the insurgents, the kurds, the >Islamics? We can't be at war with Terrorist, because the term is to >broad; to undefined. Terrorism is a tactic, usually violent, used to In Iraq, in Afg

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. There is no war to >oppose; no war to end. Nonsense. The families of the three Canadian soldiers killed in Afghanistan this weekend know different. Counter-insurgency (in Iraq or anywhere else) is still war-fare. And David Patreaus wrote the book on it for the US military. Graham. ___

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On Jun 22, 2007, at 2:47 PM, Leland F. Jackson, CPA wrote: > Please point me to the congressional declaration of war. With whom > are > we at war; the Sunni, the Shiite, the insurgents, the kurds, the > Islamics? Congress authorized military action against Iraq back in 2003. There wa

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Please point me to the congressional declaration of war. With whom are we at war; the Sunni, the Shiite, the insurgents, the kurds, the Islamics? We can't be at war with Terrorist, because the term is to broad; to undefined. Terrorism is a tactic, usually violent, used to protest against a p

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The U.S. isn't at war? Tell that to our troops. Now as far as the "esteemed" democratic members of the US congress representing the people that elected them, please, you cannot actually believe that. I'm not saying that the republicans do either but I am hard pressed to believe that you could

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The main difference is the U.S. is not at war, and certainly not at war with Hillary Clinton, Harry Reid, Ted Kennedy or Nancy Pelosi who are all esteemed Democratic members of the US Congress representing the wishes of the American people who elected them. The Religious Righters, Neocons, and

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I received this from a friend: The other night I watched a movie called, "Flags of our Fathers." During the movie, I noted the radio broadcast of "Tokyo Rose." She had the best music on her station. During World War II; the Japanese developed a way to demoralize the American forces.