At 05:03 2009-09-01, Stephen Russell wrote:
>On Mon, Aug 31, 2009 at 11:53 PM, Gene Wirchenko wrote:
> > At 02:34 2009-08-31, Andrew MacNeill wrote:
> >>I think a smarter design would have been that if you do NOT have files
> >>with similar names, then hide the extensions because the Type should
On Mon, Aug 31, 2009 at 11:53 PM, Gene Wirchenko wrote:
> At 02:34 2009-08-31, Andrew MacNeill wrote:
>>I think a smarter design would have been that if you do NOT have files
>>with similar names, then hide the extensions because the Type should
>>explain it - but otherwise, show it.
>>
>>It would
At 02:34 2009-08-31, Andrew MacNeill wrote:
>I think a smarter design would have been that if you do NOT have files
>with similar names, then hide the extensions because the Type should
>explain it - but otherwise, show it.
>
>It would be one of those natural behaviors that no one would notice
>un
I think a smarter design would have been that if you do NOT have files
with similar names, then hide the extensions because the Type should
explain it - but otherwise, show it.
It would be one of those natural behaviors that no one would notice
until it was pointed out and they would say "gee,
Kurt Wendt wrote:
> Hey Paul - you made me chuckle with this response of yours. Not
> necessarily because of the content - but, rather - part of your FRAKking
> wording! My guess is that you are a fan of the new BattleStar Galactic
> show - as that is the ONLY place I have ever heard of the word "F
Hey Paul - you made me chuckle with this response of yours. Not
necessarily because of the content - but, rather - part of your FRAKking
wording! My guess is that you are a fan of the new BattleStar Galactic
show - as that is the ONLY place I have ever heard of the word "Frak"
used in replace of th
At 10:09 2009-08-27, Paul Hill wrote:
>On Thu, Aug 27, 2009 at 12:22 AM, Geoff wrote:
> > i think hiding file extensions is the DUMBEST thing in the windows
> > installation. for instance I put a setup CD in the machine and it doesnt
> > autostart. easy. open explorer and look for setup.exe Of cou
Paul Hill wrote:
> On Thu, Aug 27, 2009 at 12:22 AM, Geoff wrote:
>> i think hiding file extensions is the DUMBEST thing in the windows
>> installation. for instance I put a setup CD in the machine and it doesnt
>> autostart. easy. open explorer and look for setup.exe Of course there are
>> three s
You forgot the attachment :)
Al
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Hey Geoff, look at this cool picture!! BritneyNaked.jpg.exe
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On Thu, Aug 27, 2009 at 12:22 AM, Geoff wrote:
> i think hiding file extensions is the DUMBEST thing in the windows
> installation. for instance I put a setup CD in the machine and it doesnt
> autostart. easy. open explorer and look for setup.exe Of course there are
> three setup files without exte
On Wed, Aug 26, 2009 at 6:20 PM, Geoff wrote:
> one of the advantages of school kids learning to use computers at school is
> that you get people coming into the workplace with a reasonably good
> knowledge of basic computer skills. you don't have to tell them the
> difference between and OS and an
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On Aug 26, 2009, at 11:45 AM, Paul McNett wrote:
> Hmm, maybe users get confused because they ca
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John Weller wrote:
> I agree with Ken whole-heartedly! In the last few weeks I have come
across
> users who do not know the difference between Windows and Word - as far as
> they are concerned Word is Windows and vice-
Win7 annoyances, seem a little petty to me.
I agree with Ken whole-heartedly! In the last few weeks I have come across
users who do not know the difference between Windows and Word - as far as
they are concerned Word is Windows and vice-versa. I have one who couldn't
understand why she a) couldn
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On Aug 26, 2009, at 9:19 AM, Paul McNett wrote:
>> I agree that it was stupid for those of us who knew what we were
>> doing.
>
> What's maddening is Microso
At 12:36 2009-08-26, Stephen Russell wrote:
>On Wed, Aug 26, 2009 at 2:05 PM, Gene Wirchenko wrote:
> > At 10:15 2009-08-26, Christof Wollenhaupt wrote:
> >
> > [snip]
> >
> >>Users get confused because they are forced to know what the difference
> >>between a Word document, and open office docum
On Wed, Aug 26, 2009 at 2:05 PM, Gene Wirchenko wrote:
> At 10:15 2009-08-26, Christof Wollenhaupt wrote:
>
> [snip]
>
>>Users get confused because they are forced to know what the difference
>>between a Word document, and open office document and a PDF file is. As far
>>as the user is concernced
I very rarely do anything on a Mac, but one of the things that I like
about a Mac is that information about the file type is actually in the
file. The file doesn't have to have an extension for the OS to know how
to handle it.
Regards
Rodney
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> On Mac, they truly d
At 10:15 2009-08-26, Christof Wollenhaupt wrote:
[snip]
>Users get confused because they are forced to know what the difference
>between a Word document, and open office document and a PDF file is. As far
>as the user is concernced they have documents they can edit, and those they
>can't edit. I
Christof Wollenhaupt wrote:
> Hi Paul,
>
>> Hmm, maybe users get confused because they can't tell the difference
> between pdf files and word files because essential things that would build
> knowledge are hidden from them. Like file extensions.
>
> Users get confused because they are forced to k
Christof Wollenhaupt wrote:
> Hi Paul,
>
>> she can freely delete or rename files in in c:\Windows. Has this finally
> changed?
>
> Yes, this was one of the changes in Vista and one reason why people started
> complaining how bad Vista is.
See why good design can't just be grafted on as an afte
Hi Paul,
> Hmm, maybe users get confused because they can't tell the difference
between pdf files and word files because essential things that would build
knowledge are hidden from them. Like file extensions.
Users get confused because they are forced to know what the difference
between a Word do
Hi Paul,
> she can freely delete or rename files in in c:\Windows. Has this finally
changed?
Yes, this was one of the changes in Vista and one reason why people started
complaining how bad Vista is.
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On Wed, Aug 26, 2009 at 11:59 AM, John Weller wrote:
> Nah - they are users and don't want to be confused by details . Most of
> them wouldn't know an extension if it bit them on the leg. They store
> everything in My Documents and have no concept of folders or, in some cases,
> meaningful titles
On Aug 26, 2009, at 11:45 AM, Paul McNett wrote:
> Hmm, maybe users get confused because they can't tell the
> difference between pdf
> files and word files because essential things that would build
> knowledge are hidden
> from them. Like file extensions.
Good point. But the subtle concept
Nah - they are users and don't want to be confused by details . Most of
them wouldn't know an extension if it bit them on the leg. They store
everything in My Documents and have no concept of folders or, in some cases,
meaningful titles - but enough of the foibles of users. Like most here I am
i
John Weller wrote:
> I agree with Ken whole-heartedly! In the last few weeks I have come across
> users who do not know the difference between Windows and Word - as far as
> they are concerned Word is Windows and vice-versa. I have one who couldn't
> understand why she a) couldn't see a PDF docum
I agree with Ken whole-heartedly! In the last few weeks I have come across
users who do not know the difference between Windows and Word - as far as
they are concerned Word is Windows and vice-versa. I have one who couldn't
understand why she a) couldn't see a PDF document from within Word and b)
Christof Wollenhaupt wrote:
> Hi Paul,
>
>> The other major operating systems simply make it impossible for a normal
> user to do anything damaging in system folders. Show them all the files, but
> don't let them modify them.
>
> How exactly is this any different from what Windows does in the pas
On Aug 26, 2009, at 9:19 AM, Paul McNett wrote:
>> I agree that it was stupid for those of us who knew what we were
>> doing.
>
> What's maddening is Microsoft assuming their users are stupid.
But Paul, the vast, vast, vast majority of them *are*. I still do
some occasional application teach
On Wed, Aug 26, 2009 at 9:19 AM, Paul McNett wrote:
> Stephen Russell wrote:
>> On Tue, Aug 25, 2009 at 7:30 PM, Paul McNett wrote:
>>> What about when you click on the c: drive in Explorer and you get the "you
>>> aren't
>>> smart enough to view these files" message.
>> --
Hi Paul,
> The other major operating systems simply make it impossible for a normal
user to do anything damaging in system folders. Show them all the files, but
don't let them modify them.
How exactly is this any different from what Windows does in the past 10
years?
You can only modify files in
On Wed, Aug 26, 2009 at 9:14 AM, Paul McNett wrote:
> David Smith wrote:
>> I'm not sure why there's so much angst over a few simple clicks in the
>> default folder views for Windows 7. Everything you want ( details view,
>> extensions, and so on) are all right there. Unlike their introduction of t
Stephen Russell wrote:
> On Tue, Aug 25, 2009 at 7:30 PM, Paul McNett wrote:
>> What about when you click on the c: drive in Explorer and you get the "you
>> aren't
>> smart enough to view these files" message.
>
>
>
> That was 2 versions ago.
Sorry, I've not ad
David Smith wrote:
> break something important. Having broken it so badly I've had to reload the
> OS at least a dozen times while learning what made it tick, I sure wish
> Ubuntu would have waved a flag at me and say " Yo! Dummy! Be careful in
> here!".
Oh, wait, I missed that you were talkin
David Smith wrote:
> I'm not sure why there's so much angst over a few simple clicks in the
> default folder views for Windows 7. Everything you want ( details view,
> extensions, and so on) are all right there. Unlike their introduction of the
> Office Ribbon, they have not removed choice this tim
Christof Wollenhaupt wrote:
> Hi Paul,
>
>> What about when you click on the c: drive in Explorer and you get the "you
> aren't smart enough to view these files" message.
>
> What does that have to do with Windows 7?
Oh, sorry, I'm unaware. Did they take this away in Windows 7?
Paul
On Tue, Aug 25, 2009 at 7:30 PM, Paul McNett wrote:
> Eugene Vital wrote:
>> Having to switch to Detail View every time I use the File Open
>> dialog...
>
> That is another huge annoyance.
>
> What about when you click on the c: drive in Explorer and you get the "you
> aren't
> smart enoug
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>
> I'm not sure why there's so much angst over a few simple clicks in the
> default folder views for Windows 7. Everything you want ( details view,
> extensions, and so on) are all rig
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Hi Paul,
> totally frakking ridiculous wh
Hi Paul,
> totally frakking ridiculous when looking at files in Windows *Explorer*
On my normal user account I've left things the way Microsoft set them up
after a brief period of testing other settings. It's much easier to work
with Windows when I don't see folders that I don't need for my daily
Hi Paul,
> What about when you click on the c: drive in Explorer and you get the "you
aren't smart enough to view these files" message.
What does that have to do with Windows 7?
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Eugene Vital wrote:
> Having to switch to Detail View every time I use the File Open
> dialog...
That is another huge annoyance.
What about when you click on the c: drive in Explorer and you get the "you
aren't
smart enough to view these files" message.
Paul
Mine wrote:
> If the icons are present is wrong?
Yes, because it is hiding the true name of the file. The file name includes the
file
extension.
Paul
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Paul McNett wrote:
> Stephen Russell wrote:
>
>> Keeping the file extention out of sight makes sense to me, you change
>> it if you are capable. Otherwise you would have over written one and
>> screwed up the file, IMHO. ;->
>>
>
> Hiding file extensions if fine in a save-as dialog for a
If the icons are present is wrong?
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On Aug 25, 2009, at 5:03 PM, Paul McNett wrote:
> Stephen Russell wrote:
>> Keeping the file extention out of sight makes sense to me, you change
>> it if you are capable. Otherwise you would have over written one and
>> screwed up the fil
Stephen Russell wrote:
> Keeping the file extention out of sight makes sense to me, you change
> it if you are capable. Otherwise you would have over written one and
> screwed up the file, IMHO. ;->
Hiding file extensions if fine in a save-as dialog for a specific app. But it
is
totally frakki
On Tue, Aug 25, 2009 at 4:18 PM, John Weller wrote:
> What is the Notifications area?
>
> I find the lack of extensions confusing - particularly when you have 3 or 4
> files with the same name but a different extension such as setup.txt,
> setup.exe and setup.msi which I came across recently.
-
What is the Notifications area?
I find the lack of extensions confusing - particularly when you have 3 or 4
files with the same name but a different extension such as setup.txt,
setup.exe and setup.msi which I came across recently.
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