Immediately before the change to Altium tactics, I was for Protel if I ever
had to do it on my own. It was affordable. My subscription to Protel's
designer forum followed soon after my interest in layout. For quite a
while, I have remained a subscriber to this list because I want to pay back
w
That's the problem, "99SE to install because it doesn't recognize the
"partition" type."
How much is your time worth messing around will all the little gotchas just
like that one?
$150 to microsoft is no big deal for me to pay for windows and have
Protel99SE install correctly. I tried OS2 back i
I'm running Win4Lin on RH7.3 on a dual processor PII350 256MB machine.
I have Win98SE and have just recently installed Protel98 which seems to run
very nicely... not much testing yet.
I couldn't get the trial of 99SE to install because it doesn't recognize the
"partition" type.
When using the SM
> Is winfor lin a separate shell i.e. is it to replace Red Hat etc, what
> Linux software do you use?
It's a separate application you install on any supported Linux Distribution
like:
Red Hat(r) Linux
Caldera eDesktop
SuSE(tm) Linux
Linux-Mandrake(tm)
List taken from https://netraverse.co
> I've been told by my boss that for what Altium are offering with ATS it's
> just not going to happen here. DXP is way out of the question.
>
> It's a pity that more people wont jump on this bandwagon. They'll
> just keep forking out hard earned money for defective software.
Likewise here, bas
Is winfor lin a separate shell i.e. is it to replace Red Hat etc, what Linux software
do you use?
-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Wednesday, July 10, 2002 11:06 AM
To: Protel EDA Forum
Subject: Re: [PEDA] Protel under Win4Lin (WAS OpenOffice &
>
> Sounds like a miracle! :)
>
> Maybe MS should investigate how their OS should run by
> looking at Win4Lin.
> Seriously, maybe Win4Lin provides a 'nicer' system to Windows
> (more memory,
> smarter swapping algorithms, etc.) Yeah, I should give it a shot.
>
win4lin doesn't provide more me
Sounds like a miracle! :)
Maybe MS should investigate how their OS should run by looking at Win4Lin.
Seriously, maybe Win4Lin provides a 'nicer' system to Windows (more memory,
smarter swapping algorithms, etc.) Yeah, I should give it a shot.
Thanks,
Tony
> -Original Message-
> From: J
Tom,
many of them will join us, they just keep it quiet. It would be probably better from
our users' point of view if more people voiced their opinion. That would hopefully let
them understand we are serious when we say 'We are not buying this anymore'.
Igor
I've been told by my boss that fo
> So, you're saying Protel 99SE works well under Win4Lin?
Yes, but you still need the cab files and a Lisence.
After you install Win4Lin it asks for the cab files from a CD or Location.
Then when you install windows under win4lin for the user you want it for - It
will install from the cab f
Tony,
I can see where your coming from. I understand that Win4Lin is a Virtual PC.
And I don't know all that Win4lin has done, but I do know when I look at the
system files in the windows install from Linux some of them have a symlink
that points to Win4Lin files.
Eg. mrgpmon.dll points to
> -Original Message-
> From: Brad Velander [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Wednesday, 10 July 2002 3:07 AM
> To: 'Protel EDA Forum'
> Subject: Re: [PEDA] restore defaults in layer order display - don't do
> it!
>
>
-Snip-
> There is
> only one way that Protel will ever listen, stop g
Jon ,
it is supposed to drag track endpoints. Does not drag selection. Hope you did not pay
ATS.
Igor
-Original Message-
From: Jon Elson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Wednesday, 10 July 2002 5:08 AM
To: Protel EDA Forum
Subject: Re: [PEDA] Re[2]: Drag Selection in PCB Editor
Igor
On 11:27 AM 9/07/2002 -0700, Tony Karavidas said:
>WOW, yeah that's messed up alright!! I just tried it. That sucks!
>
>Now to fix it... damn it.
>
Two ways I know of:
1) Use the advise in KB Item 2805 - delete the PCB ini file.
2) Manually change the ini file to put the missing layer number ba
Ivan:
Yes unfortunately you still need a valid License of win98, and you still can
buy win98SE OEM with new PC's if you ask for it. But you are right, who
wants to give M$ more money.
There is an emulator that is getting very close. Wine from codeweavers.com
is fairly nice. It will run game
On 11:29 AM 9/07/2002 -0500, Frank Gilley said:
>>i just hit the 'restore defaults' button in layer display order dialog
>>don't do it!
>>all my mech layers disappeared except when they were current
>>
>>i had to go hack the ADVPCB*.ini file to put back all the 'new' mech
>>layers
>>
>>Dennis Sap
I disagree. From their site, they talk about Win4Lin and Wine:
Wine is a "Windows system call emulator." Win4Lin is not at all like Wine
because Win4Lin provides a virtual PC that real Windows runs in. Using a
virtual PC to run your Windows applications is more reliable than using Wine
or similar
i have no love lost for Uncle Bill, but i wouldn't bet against him
either
i would wager that 2-3 years from now MS is as dominant as ever and that
although Linux will show strong growth it will still be for gearheads
and backroom operations mostly
if Linux becomes a genuine threat he will just g
> > Anyone heard of a Linux based PCB CAD program?
Cadsoft has Eagle for Linux, I've installed it and looked at it, but that was
about it. I haven't made anything with it yet. But I know my last company I
was with has switch to it.
http://www.cadsoft.de/index.htm
Jason
***
Jason:
It sounds like you still have to have a Windows installation on the Linux
machine to run Win4Lin, right?
I want a solution that eliminates the need for the Windows installation.
Where you gonna find new licenses for Win98se now? And who wants to give M$
more money for it? Not me (maybe
Tony,
It's not all Windows services, Win4Lin uses proprietary DLLs and drivers they
have written. So the hardware and resource management services are handled
differently then if you were in native Windows. The support staff at
Netraverse.com could tell you more I'm sure. I just know from m
Igor Gmitrovic wrote:
> Don,
>
> for the same reasons I see Protel (ie Altium) starting to lose thier user base. With
>the ATS useless and increase in prices people will start looking elsewhere. How could
>they explain charging us for the ATS and then they claim to stop support for the
>P99SE.
Igor Gmitrovic wrote:
> Jon,
>
> in PCB Editor you go to Tools->Preferences->Options->Component Drag and choose
>Connected Tracks mode. That would enable you to drag tracks. It works as it always
>did, since the DOS times. I have W2K and P99SE SP6. It drags the first segment of the
>track conn
Jason Van Dellen wrote:
> If I need to run
> Windows Apps(eg Protel), I run Win4Lin. http://www.netraverse.com/
So, you're saying Protel 99SE works well under Win4Lin? I've been running
it under Win2K in a VMWare virtual machine, but if I can skip all that,
it may be a lot better than running
Is it possible that they somehow manage to get around the 64K resource
limits of Win98/SE/ME?
-Original Message-
From: Tony Karavidas [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Tuesday, July 09, 2002 11:36 AM
To: Protel EDA Forum
Subject: Re: [PEDA] Protel under Win4Lin (WAS OpenOffice & 3D CAD)
ah a man after my own heart, a real button pusher!
my comment shows how to fix it if you have a backup of the ini file
i'm sure you know to close protel first
Dennis Saputelli
Tony Karavidas wrote:
>
> WOW, yeah that's messed up alright!! I just tried it. That sucks!
>
> Now to fix it... dam
Well that's just ridiculous. The router's ability to complete a board has
nothing to do with the OS except for when you bump up against memory
limitations (which is fairly unlikely in your system) The autorouter code is
an encapsulated function, and besides, you are still running Win98SE, it's
jus
no, it's protel schematic not handling a nonexistant printer gracefully
Dennis Saputelli
Joe Sapienza wrote:
>
> Dennis,
> Sounds like it has something to do with the UPS printer driver setup,
> possibly a port conflict.
> Joe
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "Dennis Saputelli" <[EMAIL
WOW, yeah that's messed up alright!! I just tried it. That sucks!
Now to fix it... damn it.
> -Original Message-
> From: Dennis Saputelli [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Tuesday, July 09, 2002 10:57 AM
> To: Protel EDA Forum
> Subject: Re: [PEDA] restore defaults in layer order dis
Tony,
you have the right button. After pressing the default button your
display will only display Mech layers 5 - 16 as though they are in single
layer display mode only. If you enable multiple mech layers 5 - 16 and try
to display them simultaneously, they won't. You will only be able to
Dennis,
Sounds like it has something to do with the UPS printer driver setup,
possibly a port conflict.
Joe
- Original Message -
From: "Dennis Saputelli" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Protel EDA Forum" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Tuesday, July 09, 2002 1:51 PM
Subject: Re: [PEDA] the printer bu
I run ProtelSE sp6 on Win4Lin 4. I switched over almost two years now from
NT4. Win4Lin only supports Win98/SE/ME so I use Win98SE. I have a Dual
Celeron 300 I build a few years ago and even though win98 doesn't sopport
dual CPUs, under win4lin it utilizes both CPU's. I found that my AutoR
tools, preferences, display tab, layer drawing order button, default
button
(which i think is what you said below)
the symptom is that mechanical layers greater than mech 4 will not
display unless they are the current layer even if they are ON
examining the ADVPCB ini file there is a section of
i have been whining about the 'printer bug' for a while
i got nowhere w/ protel support
they 'never heard of it' and could not reproduce it
well i have just reproduced again, and here is the story
the printer for one of our machines is a network printer attached to the
UPS shipping computer
th
Where is that menu function? I couldn't find a 'restore defaults' button,
and since you quoted it, I'm assuming that's what the button actually
says???
Are you talking about Tools/Preferences/Display/LayerDrawingOrder/Default ?
If so, that doesn't do to me what it's doing to you. Maybe that's w
Matt,
did you see my posting a few days ago about a new revised "clean"
re-install, Friday I believe? You mention "fresh" installs, did you delete
all the *.bpl and *.dpl files from your system before re-installing?
I don't know what could be your problem but it certainly isn't
so
that's funny, we've never seen that problem
we have DDB shut down problems (compaction doesn't work on one machine)
but not that particular problem
go figure
Dennis Saputelli
Matt Pobursky wrote:
>
> A virus scanner interfering with file writes is certainly a
> possibility, but in my case it's
Frank,
you are starting to sound like I used to when I first came back to
using Protel a couple of years ago. Take a 'lude' and chill out dude. We all
know that Protel product support and programming acuity is a joke. There is
only one way that Protel will ever listen, stop giving them you
here, here Frank! (or is it hear, hear?)
rant on, you are absolutely correct
i think you should forward your rant to Protel
there is another very similar 'issue' (the polite word)
for many of us (but not for all of us) the Select Holesize function is
broken after a reinstall
there are a series
A virus scanner interfering with file writes is certainly a
possibility, but in my case it's definitely not the answer.
Protel99SE trashes the ini file (gets an exception error while
writing the ini files, actually) on program exit with any ddb
still open. This happens fairly predictably, about 5
Hi Peter,
you are correct about that but I believe there was another less
related/obvious consequence to selecting the connected tracks option for
component drag. I know that I fought with this problem years ago now for
approx. 1/2 day, called Tech Support and they had me turn off the comp
>i just hit the 'restore defaults' button in layer display order dialog
>don't do it!
>all my mech layers disappeared except when they were current
>
>i had to go hack the ADVPCB*.ini file to put back all the 'new' mech
>layers
>
>Dennis Saputelli
Full-Bore Rant Is On:
I must say, this particul
Brad:
That "something else" is component rotation, as mentioned in the portion
of my post that Yuri quoted below.
Brad Velander wrote:
>
> Yuri,
> while your drag for a single component may be working, I am sure
> that I recall something else will stop working as desired. I cannot reca
Don,
I would also give Ionos a thorough checking out. Their tool seems to
be well integrated to Protel and is definitely more Protel compliant then
Parts & Vendors which we use. I had not learned of Ionos until well after we
had bought and set-up P&V, too late to consider them in our searc
Yuri,
while your drag for a single component may be working, I am sure
that I recall something else will stop working as desired. I cannot recall
exactly what is involved but with the Options Drag setting enabled I
remember that there is something else which does not function correctly.
So
I have noticed that OpenOffice 1.0 (Windows version) will sometimes crash
when opening a Word document if you do it by double-clicking on the filename
in Windows Explorer. But, if you open the Word document from the File->Open
dialog it works OK.
Could be a file association problem?
If you feel
Parts & Vendors
http://www.trilogydesign.com
> -Original Message-
> From: Don Mayfield [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Monday, July 08, 2002 23:25
> To: Protel EDA Forum
> Subject: [PEDA] BOMs
>
>
> Hi All,
>
> I know BOM handling software has been talked about over time but I
> w
I just got OpenOffice the other day. I was focused on reading in a word
document at the time. I tried opening a few Word documents, but all it seemed
to do was crash for me.
I did note while it was installing, that there was some kind of a 3D
viewer or editor tool in OpenOffice too? I had p
Have you got a virus scanner active. I have seen a misinstalled virus
checker play havoc with Protels .ini files, leaving them blank, incomplete
and just plain missing. Upgrading to the latest version of checker fixed all
the Protel problems.
> -Original Message-
> From: Dennis Saputelli
Hi Peter,
PB> Protel will do "drag connected tracks" for a single component - but if
PB> set to do this, you can't rotate components (think of the mess you'd get
PB> if you could drag tracks while rotating components!) In P99SE, the
PB> selection is under "Tools/Preferences/Options - Component D
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