Good discussion on this thread...And timely...since more advanced
business process orchestrations for web services and other internet
technologies are penetrating the market. This gives an opportunity for
newer implementation technologies like OWL and RDF to enhance the
execution of business pr
There is interest in using RDF and OWL to support Semantic Web Services
over the NHIN.
Anyone interested in helping can contact me.
Dan
On 3/12/2010 8:40 AM, Kingsley Idehen wrote:
conor dowling wrote:
> U.S.? (There's little here from what I can see - the
interoperability push is a
on that, then we can better evaluate the equivalent and
non-equivalent semantics of OWL and the other methods for organizing
sets of assertions.
Dan
Samson Tu wrote:
Dan Russler wrote:
Hi Samson,
We are getting closer.
1) In the reference you site..."A class is the descriptor for a set&q
See below...Yes let's move on to more examples...Dan
Kashyap, Vipul wrote:
I agree with you below, except I think it's peoples'
"interpretation" of the RIM that causes the confusion, e.g. "The
focus of the RIM classes had primarily been structure and not
semantics." Since RIM
Hi Vipul,
I agree with you below, except I think it's peoples' "interpretation" of
the RIM that causes the confusion, e.g. "The focus of the RIM classes
had primarily been structure and not semantics." Since RIM is
communicated in UML, UML semantic rules apply, and one needs to be
strict on t
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On Jul 23, 2008, at 8:02 PM, Dan Russler wrote:
Hi Samson,
Sorry for my older-style jargon...
Here is the Wikipedia entry on collection/aggregation. We often
called these classes "collectors" in jargon:
oblems in Problem List), but that's a question separate from the
semantics of a class.
Matt, some of the terms (HL7 RIM, LOINC, OKBC) have specific meanings
that you can look up by googling. I am confused about the layering of
models that have been mentioned in this thread too.
Samson
Da
cise meaning of their relationships. I'd say that the
relationship between Vipul's layer 1 and 2 is one of specialization,
not instantiation.
Samson
Dan Russler wrote:
Hi Samson,
I agree...It is wrong to confuse the process of creating an instance in
the narrow se
Hi Samson,
I agree...It is wrong to confuse the process of creating an instance in
the narrow sense (where the structural attributes and other attributes
are constrained to specific values) and creating an incremental
constraint on the structural attributes and code that allow one to
define "m
sorry for the long delay...see below...Dan
Kashyap, Vipul wrote:
You are correct that classes in HL7 may have sub-classes.
[VK] I think the interesting question is whether these
classes are metaclasses, i.e., whether they belong to layer 1
or whether they are
Shared use is free
[2] www.reengineeringllc.com/iblClient1.java
<http://www.reengineeringllc.com/iblClient1.java>
[3] www.reengineeringllc.com/WikiSOA.pdf
<http://www.reengineeringllc.com/WikiSOA.pdf>
Adrian Walker
Reengineering
On Tue, Jun 3, 2008 at 2:54 PM, Dan Ru
t and continant.
DanR
Dan Corwin wrote:
Dan Russler wrote:
Actually, this list might be too long!
Many of these break down on utility, at least on "easy to define and
decide."
Definitions for these discriminants are easy to find,
in the same way one finds ontologies at levels
previously, and
it's very interesting.
Susie
On 6/2/08, Dan Russler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]
<mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>> wrote:
Hi Susie,
This Challenge looks great.
Open Health Tools is working on a challenge grant for Health
Sciences as well...Perhaps there
Hi Susie,
This Challenge looks great.
Open Health Tools is working on a challenge grant for Health Sciences as
well...Perhaps there are ways to learn from each of these kinds of
activities?
Here is the link to Open Health Tools and its Academic Outreach Project...
www.openhealthtools.org
[1] Internet Business Logic
A Wiki and SOA Endpoint for Executable Open Vocabulary English
over SQL and RDF
Online at www.reengineeringllc.com
<http://www.reengineeringllc.com>Shared use is free
Adrian Walker
Reengineering
On Mon, Jun 2, 2008 at 9:25 AM, Dan Russ
Hi Dan,
Actually, this list might be too long!
Many of these break down on utility, at least on "easy to define and
decide."
Dan
Kashyap, Vipul wrote:
Physical vrs Informational
Natural vrs Artificial
Real vrs Imaginary
Composite vrs Characteristic
Individual vrs Collec
See below...Dan
Kashyap, Vipul wrote:
You are correct that classes in HL7 may have sub-classes.
[VK] I think the interesting question is whether these classes are
metaclasses, i.e., whether they belong to layer 1 or whether they
are in layer 2.
Classes and subclasses in a U
table Open Vocabulary English over SQL
Online at www.reengineeringllc.com
<http://www.reengineeringllc.com>Shared use is free
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Reengineering
On Tue, Apr 22, 2008 at 5:25 PM, Dan Russler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]
<mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>> wrote:
Hi Vipul,
Peter
Hi Alan,
Your points are well made regarding the provenance of information and
the information itself.
I captured this "assertion" as a point upon which to comment:
"My main contention is that the things that we put in medical records
represent statements "ascribing" (or "not ascribing") cha
Hi Samson,
Here is some basic information on the use of HL7 RIM:
You are correct that classes in HL7 may have sub-classes. To be more
specific, by definition, once a class in HL7 is instantiated, the
classCode and the moodCode can never be changed throughout the lifecycle
of the instance. Th
Agreed...Peter already got us to changeOf course, I thought more
people would confuse the term with "first order reaction" or "first
order kinetics" than with "first order logic."
Dan
Pat Hayes wrote:
At 10:46 AM -0400 4/21/08, Dan Russler wrote:
Pet
Hi Vipul,
Peter is right that the term "EAV" is a data schema implementation
model, even though it maps directly to a classic proposition model with
subject, predicate, and object of the predicate.
Layer 0 then would be the most abstract layer consisting purely of
formal propositions. In thi
Peter and Vipul...See below...dan
Kashyap, Vipul wrote:
IMHO, codes don't represent classes in some information model. An
information model has classes like Observation, whose instances
are clinical statements made by some entity (person or machine). I
think information model
I agree, Vipul, that individual applications may decide (for reasons of
performance or retrieval or other implementation specific reasons) to
separate the notion of action from the notion of result of the action in
order to reduce the amount of information retrieved.
However, these separations
bnormal or becoming more normal."
Now with this perspective, perhaps you can better describe how a disease
is different than data?
Dan
Ogbuji, Chimezie wrote:
A (perhaps) naive question, inline below.
-Original Message-
From: Dan Russler [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Hi Dirk,
Hi Chimezie,
I've been watching this discussion. It parallels a discussion we had in
HL7 in the 1990's.
Some comments below:
Ogbuji, Chimezie wrote:
Dan,
I've very familiar with the SOAP model. The primary motivation for my
questions about assessment had more to do with distinguishing an
i.e. able to reason
across healthcare and life sciences data.
Dan
Lee Feigenbaum wrote:
Dan Russler wrote:
All,
It will be really helpful to read the text in this wiki link before
the presentation on Dec 18. I'm hoping that questions asked will come
from people who have read the link:
ended I add pictures to the text in this
link...sorry they are not done yet)
Thanks,
Dan Russler
Kashyap, Vipul wrote:
The next Telcon will be held on December 18th, 11:00am - 12:00pm
Phone
+1 617 761 6200, conference 24668 ("BIONT")
IRC
irc://irc.w
Just to let everyone know...
There is now a new Open Source tooling organization called Open Health
Tools.
It is based on the Eclipse Public License and Eclipse development
platform architecture.
It is also in the process of producing an International EHR Reference
Architecture model for
Hi Vipul,
I've added a few relevant HL7-related items to the wiki page.
I'd also like to put out a request to someone knowledgable in OWL who
might like to participate in an "HL7 RIM representation in RDF triples"
exercise by donating complementary OWL expressions.
Thanks,
Dan
Kashyap, Vip
Will do...Dan
Kashyap, Vipul wrote:
That is not to argue that 2.x observation models or Arden
decision support models are optimum in today's environment.
We just need to recognize the history before inventing
something new.
[VK] We do not in
Hi Vipul,
Thanks for the clarification on the notes.
See below for comments:
Dan
Kashyap, Vipul wrote:
Dan,
Thanks for pointing this out. Would like to clarify that these notes
are taken by a scribe in a telcon and sometimes the context of the
statement is not captured accurately.
Hi All,
I caught this quote from the Clinical Observation Interoperability
Telcon that seems to be inaccurate:
"Clinical research data and clinical care data from EMRs have different
information models and different terminological standards. CDISC's Study
Data Tabulation Model (SDTM), an eme
the kind of use case you were looking for?Dan Russler, M.D.VP Clinical InformaticsOracle(VM) 404-439-5983--- Original Message ---
I agree with Helen. In general, we need to be very careful about translating from the UML to the OWL meta-model.
It is quite likely that there are multipl
Subject
RE: invitation for next ACPP call
Thanks for the welcome Helen. I hope to learn a lot and perhaps, at least, contribute a little.
I've been exploring transforms from UML to RDF and have found some resources. Do you have anything written on mappings or transforms from the
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