Re: BioRDF Brainstorming -- Connecting the Health Care and Life Science KB to the Linking Open Data datasets

2008-02-18 Thread Richard Cyganiak
, Matthias Samwald wrote: I added yet another item to the BioRDF Brainstorming document [1]. Here is the text that can also be found and edited on the Wiki page: ___HCLS KB mapping to the open linked data repositories___ It would be great if two of the largest coherent Semantic Web structures

Re: BioRDF Brainstorming -- Connecting the Health Care and Life Science KB to the Linking Open Data datasets

2008-02-15 Thread Matthias Samwald
I added yet another item to the BioRDF Brainstorming document [1]. Here is the text that can also be found and edited on the Wiki page: ___HCLS KB mapping to the open linked data repositories___ It would be great if two of the largest coherent Semantic Web structures, namely the HCLS

RE: Trust in statements (was BioRDF Brainstorming)

2008-02-14 Thread Colin Batchelor
Matt Williams writes: > I'll try and find a paper on the "p-modals" (possible, probable, etc.) > and ways of combining them tomorrow and put a paragraph on the wiki. The SEP has something here: http://plato.stanford.edu/entries/logic-modal/ Colin. DISCLAIMER: This communication (including any

Re: Trust in statements (still is BioRDF Brainstorming)

2008-02-14 Thread Alan Ruttenberg
On Feb 14, 2008, at 3:36 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: As for rdf formats and OWL descriptions, I shall have to leave that to others - I still haven't grokked Alan's banana class definition yet. :) I will follow up with a better explanation given Chris, and now your complaints. -Alan

Re: Trust in statements (still is BioRDF Brainstorming)

2008-02-14 Thread matthew . williams
t; Cc:Matt Williams <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Alan Ruttenberg <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, public-semweb-lifesci hcls Subject: Re: Trust in statements (still is BioRDF Brainstorming) On Feb 13, 2008, at 2:14 PM, M. Scott Marshall wrote: > > Dear Matt, > > I see '

Re: Trust in statements (still is BioRDF Brainstorming)

2008-02-13 Thread Adrian Walker
HI Chris -- You wrote... I think the only option here is to embrace rdf-reification (and to push for better syntax, query and tool support). Would the approach in question 8 of www.reengineeringllc.com/demo_agents/RDFQueryLangComparison1.agent be useful ? We map such queries automatically

Re: Trust in statements (still is BioRDF Brainstorming)

2008-02-13 Thread Chris Mungall
On Feb 13, 2008, at 2:14 PM, M. Scott Marshall wrote: Dear Matt, I see 'trust' as a 'view' that can be produced by running a filter over the data (provenance). The filter would implement my trust policy, or one of them. In other words, my trust in a given 'agent' can be due to the fact th

Re: Trust in statements (still is BioRDF Brainstorming)

2008-02-13 Thread M. Scott Marshall
Dear Matt, I see 'trust' as a 'view' that can be produced by running a filter over the data (provenance). The filter would implement my trust policy, or one of them. In other words, my trust in a given 'agent' can be due to the fact that it produces data using a certain algorithm. I also place a

Re: Trust in statements (was BioRDF Brainstorming)

2008-02-13 Thread Matt Williams
Dear Alan, Thank you for making my point much more clearly than I managed. I'm a little wary of probabilities in situations like the one you describe, as it always seems a little hard to pin down what is meant by them. At least with the symbolic approach, you can give a short paragraph saying

Re: BioRDF Brainstorming

2008-02-13 Thread Matt Williams
I'd agree - I suspect that simply matching terms doesn't help that much - we'd need to know the context of it, but then it all gets very sticky. There is some work on mining the Chemistry literature from Cambridge (UK) - using ? OSCAR/ Sci-ML I think We've done a little work in the clin

Re: BioRDF Brainstorming

2008-02-13 Thread Kei Cheung
Alan Ruttenberg wrote: On Feb 12, 2008, at 3:58 PM, Kei Cheung wrote: Hi Olivier, Alan, et al, A prototype version of our neuroscience semantic web portal is accessible at: http://neuroweb3.med.yale.edu Nice :) Thanks :-) . There is still a lot of room for improvement. Bear in mind,

Re: BioRDF Brainstorming

2008-02-12 Thread Chris Mungall
On Feb 12, 2008, at 8:31 PM, Alan Ruttenberg wrote: On Feb 12, 2008, at 8:59 AM, Colin Batchelor wrote: How do you propose we cope with hedging, that is "It is not impossible that bananas are green", "Taken together, these results would indicate that bananas are blue" and so forth? This

Re: BioRDF Brainstorming

2008-02-12 Thread Alan Ruttenberg
On Feb 12, 2008, at 3:58 PM, Kei Cheung wrote: Hi Olivier, Alan, et al, A prototype version of our neuroscience semantic web portal is accessible at: http://neuroweb3.med.yale.edu Nice :) Bear in mind, this is a working prototype for proof of concept and it is still under active develo

Re: BioRDF Brainstorming

2008-02-12 Thread Alan Ruttenberg
On Feb 12, 2008, at 3:58 PM, Kei Cheung wrote: Also, I have a question regarding retrieval of entez gene information including gene ids, symbols, and snyonyms. Is such information available from the HCLS KB and/or RDF entrez gene dataset that Olivier's group had created? Here is a query

Re: BioRDF Brainstorming

2008-02-12 Thread Alan Ruttenberg
On Feb 12, 2008, at 11:07 PM, Ernest wrote: Sorry this is probably obvious to everyone but for the query below, where can we run it? or what can we run it against? I think Kei and I are unclear if there is a sparql endpoint that we can use or is there an owl file containing all this data

Re: BioRDF Brainstorming

2008-02-12 Thread Alan Ruttenberg
On Feb 12, 2008, at 8:59 AM, Colin Batchelor wrote: How do you propose we cope with hedging, that is "It is not impossible that bananas are green", "Taken together, these results would indicate that bananas are blue" and so forth? This is much more common that the unwary reader might suspect

Re: Trust in statements (was BioRDF Brainstorming)

2008-02-12 Thread Alan Ruttenberg
I'm personally fond of the symbolic approach - I think it is more direct and easier to explain what is meant. It's harder to align people to a numerical system, I would think, and also provides a false sense of precision. Explanations are easier to understand as well: "2 sources thought t

RE: BioRDF Brainstorming

2008-02-12 Thread Colin Batchelor
> I also think that the machine-readable representation of facts about > biology > should have a higher priortiy than the description of experimental setups > and procedures (which is the major goal of OBI and EXPO). People only have > limited time and motivation to create machine-readable annotat

RE: RE: BioRDF Brainstorming

2008-02-12 Thread Colin Batchelor
> In what I see as the ideal scenario, each text/database entry would only > be annotated with the results OK. So what we would need is (1) a tool for getting authors to indicate which bits of the article actually are their results, and (2) a way of representing this in RDF. I suppose we're goi

Re: Trust in statements (was BioRDF Brainstorming)

2008-02-12 Thread Peter Ansell
On 13/02/2008, Matt Williams <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Just a quick note that the 'trust' we place in an agent /could/ be > described probabilistically, but could also be described logically. I'm > assuming that the probabilities that the trust annotations are likely to > subjective probabiliti

Re: Trust in statements (was BioRDF Brainstorming)

2008-02-12 Thread Adrian Walker
Hi Matt -- Another way of increasing the amount of trust is to provide explanations, in English, automatically derived from the proofs that an agent carries out. A serendipitous feature is that the explanations start out with headlines, and then go progressively into finer details. This aspect i

Re: BioRDF Brainstorming

2008-02-12 Thread Kei Cheung
Olivier Bodenreider wrote: Kei Cheung wrote: [...] Also, I have a question regarding retrieval of entez gene information including gene ids, symbols, and snyonyms. Is such information available from the HCLS KB and/or RDF entrez gene dataset that Olivier's group had created? Yes for the

Re: BioRDF Brainstorming

2008-02-12 Thread Olivier Bodenreider
Kei Cheung wrote: [...] Also, I have a question regarding retrieval of entez gene information including gene ids, symbols, and snyonyms. Is such information available from the HCLS KB and/or RDF entrez gene dataset that Olivier's group had created? Yes for the dataset we created (has_unique_g

Re: BioRDF Brainstorming

2008-02-12 Thread Kei Cheung
Hi Olivier, Alan, et al, A prototype version of our neuroscience semantic web portal is accessible at: http://neuroweb3.med.yale.edu Bear in mind, this is a working prototype for proof of concept and it is still under active development. The Web interface has 3 panels: search panel (on top)

Re: BioRDF Brainstorming

2008-02-12 Thread Matthias Samwald
I'd agree that to capture all the publication might be hard, but to only capture this bit (I suspect the conclusion) wouldn't you need to find the conclusion, and ignore the rest? Using the abstract only might help, but not enoughin any case, there are other bits (e.g. which type of banan

Re: RE: BioRDF Brainstorming

2008-02-12 Thread Matthias Samwald
On a broader brainstorming note, it would be nice to have a way of specifying that a certain dc:Agent thinks that one is a better annotation than the other also, with the user deciding to trust certain Agents to give them useful knowledge, or inversely, to not trust specific Agents who they fi

Re: BioRDF Brainstorming

2008-02-12 Thread Matt Williams
Dear All, Just a note on this: For example, article pmid:123 contains the text >> "We found that bananas are yellow. This is in conflict with article >> pmid:456, which states that bananas are pink". >> >> Article pmid:123 should only be annotated with >> "banana has_quality yellow . >> pmid:12

Trust in statements (was BioRDF Brainstorming)

2008-02-12 Thread Matt Williams
Just a quick note that the 'trust' we place in an agent /could/ be described probabilistically, but could also be described logically. I'm assuming that the probabilities that the trust annotations are likely to subjective probabilities (as we're unlikely to have enough data to generate objec

Re: RE: BioRDF Brainstorming

2008-02-12 Thread Peter Ansell
On 12/02/2008, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > Good point. What I was sort of driving at (and failing) was the context > > in which the facts are mentioned---are they the aim of the paper, > > background information, mentioned as results and so forth? > > In what I see as the i

Re: RE: BioRDF Brainstorming

2008-02-12 Thread samwald
> Good point. What I was sort of driving at (and failing) was the context > in which the facts are mentioned---are they the aim of the paper, > background information, mentioned as results and so forth? In what I see as the ideal scenario, each text/database entry would only be annotated with

Re: BioRDF Brainstorming

2008-02-11 Thread Alan Ruttenberg
On Feb 11, 2008, at 3:34 PM, Olivier Bodenreider wrote: eric neumann wrote: I haven't been good at following the calls lately, but still am sympathetic to the endeavor and committed to helping as I can (just not quite efficiently). Starting with MeSH might be a good idea as it it does not h

RE: BioRDF Brainstorming

2008-02-11 Thread Nigam Shah
17 AM To: Matthias Samwald Cc: Susie M Stephens; public-semweb-lifesci@w3.org; Holger Stenzhorn Subject: Re: BioRDF Brainstorming I cannot make today's call, but I think it essential for any BioRDF project to consider how to include currently used terminologies such as those from UM

Re: BioRDF Brainstorming

2008-02-11 Thread Olivier Bodenreider
eric neumann wrote: I cannot make today's call, but I think it essential for any BioRDF project to consider how to include currently used terminologies such as those from UMLS. I don't know if Olivier Bodenreider has been on any of the calls recently, but his proposed offer to mint uris fr

Re: BioRDF Brainstorming

2008-02-11 Thread Matthias Samwald
Colin Batchelor wrote: Surely this is better suited to OBI-type annotations than generic OBO things? Please describe further how "OBI-type" differs from "OBO-type". OBI is part of OBO. Do you mean quantitative information, such as detailed numerical results of experiments? OBI-type annota

Re: BioRDF Brainstorming

2008-02-11 Thread eric neumann
I cannot make today's call, but I think it essential for any BioRDF project to consider how to include currently used terminologies such as those from UMLS. I don't know if Olivier Bodenreider has been on any of the calls recently, but his proposed offer to mint uris from CUI (UMLS, MeSH, etc) is s

Re: BioRDF Brainstorming

2008-02-11 Thread Matthias Samwald
I have also added several ideas to the wiki page [1]: * OBO Structured Digital Abstracts * SIOC for Science * OntoWiki and Semantic MediaWiki * HCLS KB Decentralisation * Define a simplified OWL-to-RDF mapping for a subset of OWL Cheers, Matthias Samwald Semantic Web Company / DERI Galway / Yal

Re: BioRDF Brainstorming

2008-02-10 Thread Kei Cheung
Hi Susie et al., Since SenseLab’s Semantic Web development has been a part of the HCLS activities, I would like to suggest its new development as part of the future HCLS activities. One suggestion is the extension of “Entrez Neuron” to become a Semantic Web portal for mashing up neuroscientif

BioRDF Brainstorming

2008-02-04 Thread Susie M Stephens
I've created a Wiki page where people can propose projects for BioRDF to work on until the end of April [1]. It'd be great if you could post any ideas that you may have. Cheers, Susie [1] http://esw.w3.org/topic/HCLSIG_BioRDF_Subgroup/Brainstorming