Re: How did you begin your fun with Pylons?

2008-06-05 Thread Florent Aide
On Thu, Jun 5, 2008 at 9:34 PM, Mike Orr <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On Thu, Jun 5, 2008 at 8:51 AM, Kevin G. Baker <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> This is an interesting point. It might make sense to start a documentation >> standard. One that all these projects could embrace moving forward. If

Re: How did you begin your fun with Pylons?

2008-06-05 Thread Ian Bicking
> Sphinx looks likely to become it. Both Pylons and Paste have switched > to it, as has Python's development versions. See: > > http://docs.pylonshq.com/ (unfinished) > http://pythonpaste.org/ These are basically unfinished too, but I figured it was better than how it used to be any

Re: How did you begin your fun with Pylons?

2008-06-05 Thread Mike Orr
On Thu, Jun 5, 2008 at 8:51 AM, Kevin G. Baker <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > This is an interesting point. It might make sense to start a documentation > standard. One that all these projects could embrace moving forward. If the > docs were all in a standard format, like "man", they could be easi

Re: How did you begin your fun with Pylons?

2008-06-05 Thread Kevin G. Baker
- Original Message - From: "Thomas G. Willis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "pylons-discuss" Sent: Thursday, June 5, 2008 7:17:52 AM GMT -08:00 US/Canada Pacific Subject: Re: How did you begin your fun with Pylons? On May 22, 10:37 am, Mikeroz <[EMAIL PROTECT

Re: How did you begin your fun with Pylons?

2008-06-05 Thread Thomas G. Willis
On May 22, 10:37 am, Mikeroz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hey guys, > I'm wondering where did you start your journey with Pylons? I'm asking > this questions because of the low number of tutorials, sh*tty > tutorials on Pylons site maybe there's a big boom about 0.9.7? > Honestly - I don't th

Re: How did you begin your fun with Pylons?

2008-06-02 Thread Mike Orr
On Sun, Jun 1, 2008 at 8:45 PM, Mateusz Haligowski <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > If I could add my 2c to the discussion, I also would like to complain about > the documentation:) > > My personal favorite type of documentation (ie. learning new stuff) is: > 1. very general tutorial (like the one on

Re: How did you begin your fun with Pylons?

2008-06-01 Thread Mateusz Haligowski
If I could add my 2c to the discussion, I also would like to complain about the documentation:) My personal favorite type of documentation (ie. learning new stuff) is: 1. very general tutorial (like the one on the PylonsHQ) 2. expanded tutorials - general tutorial divided into parts, with deeper e

Re: How did you begin your fun with Pylons?

2008-06-01 Thread iain duncan
On Sun, 2008-01-06 at 18:15 -0400, Noah Gift wrote: > > > On Fri, May 30, 2008 at 2:40 PM, Alberto Valverde <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > Shannon -jj Behrens wrote: > > I'm not making any judgments about anyone. However, I did > see a great > > talk y

Re: How did you begin your fun with Pylons?

2008-06-01 Thread Noah Gift
On Fri, May 30, 2008 at 2:40 PM, Alberto Valverde <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Shannon -jj Behrens wrote: > > I'm not making any judgments about anyone. However, I did see a great > > talk yesterday called "How Open Source Projects Survive Poisonous > > People": http://youtube.com/watch?v=ZSFDm

Re: How did you begin your fun with Pylons?

2008-05-30 Thread Alberto Valverde
Shannon -jj Behrens wrote: > I'm not making any judgments about anyone. However, I did see a great > talk yesterday called "How Open Source Projects Survive Poisonous > People": http://youtube.com/watch?v=ZSFDm3UYkeE > > It's definitely worth watching ;) > Nah, I don't think there has been any

Re: How did you begin your fun with Pylons?

2008-05-30 Thread Shannon -jj Behrens
I'm not making any judgments about anyone. However, I did see a great talk yesterday called "How Open Source Projects Survive Poisonous People": http://youtube.com/watch?v=ZSFDm3UYkeE It's definitely worth watching ;) -jj On Thu, May 29, 2008 at 9:33 PM, Jonathan Vanasco <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wr

Re: How did you begin your fun with Pylons?

2008-05-29 Thread Jonathan Vanasco
On May 29, 8:07 am, "Alberto Valverde" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Perhaps a trip to archives [1] to refresh your memory on the tone of some > of your posts can shed a light on the reason you felt treated in this way > by TG's dev. community. Perhaps my tone got increasingly negative as a respo

Re: How did you begin your fun with Pylons?

2008-05-29 Thread Alberto Valverde
> On May 22, 6:07 pm, "Shannon -jj Behrens" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> Ben Bangert and I decided to meet for dinner in Berkeley. I got very >> lost and ended up in Oakland. I finally got to the restaurant an hour >> late. Ben had already eaten. We had a good talk about Web >> development.

Re: How did you begin your fun with Pylons?

2008-05-28 Thread Jonathan Vanasco
On May 22, 6:07 pm, "Shannon -jj Behrens" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Ben Bangert and I decided to meet for dinner in Berkeley.  I got very > lost and ended up in Oakland.  I finally got to the restaurant an hour > late.  Ben had already eaten.  We had a good talk about Web > development.  He t

Re: How did you begin your fun with Pylons?

2008-05-23 Thread Noah Gift
> Noah, there's your cue ;) All the information is there, you just have > to cat | sort | uniq it ;) Ok, it is a deal then. I "should" have time on May 31st and that weekend to document at least my version of a tutorial based on that info. I completely agree with Mike Orr, the best writing com

Re: How did you begin your fun with Pylons?

2008-05-23 Thread Mike Orr
On Fri, May 23, 2008 at 2:06 AM, Raoul Snyman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> If you want me >> to be obligated to you, I'll send you my hourly rates. Otherwise, >> we're all volunteers. > > Mike, please don't be so defensive. I was not accusing you of > anything, and I was not telling you to be ob

Re: How did you begin your fun with Pylons?

2008-05-23 Thread Cliff Wells
On Fri, 2008-05-23 at 11:06 +0200, Raoul Snyman wrote: > But this is the exact response I was talking about. Instead of being > gracious about something, some developers become defensive and then > attack back. And Mike, this is not a personal attack on you, this is a > trend I have seen in a nu

Re: How did you begin your fun with Pylons?

2008-05-23 Thread Raoul Snyman
> I never said the community wasn't doing anything. I understand > perfectly if somebody feels they don't know a subject well enough to > write about it; I do that myself. Or if they just don't have an > inclination to, that's fine too. And f somebody thinks the > documentation is spotty and ha

Re: How did you begin your fun with Pylons?

2008-05-23 Thread Ross Vandegrift
On Fri, May 23, 2008 at 08:46:39AM +0200, Raoul Snyman wrote: > I will have to agree with the sentiments already voiced here. The > documentation is very sparse, and it relies on the user having a good > understanding of MVC frameworks (like RoR and CakePHP). Actually, I've found that it's a case

Re: How did you begin your fun with Pylons?

2008-05-23 Thread wongobongo
On May 23, 1:38 am, Christoph Haas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > You rang? :) I had once upon a time started an introcution at > >http://wiki.pylonshq.com/display/pylonscookbook/Concepts+of+Pylons > > > Then Ben started calling for more documentation for the 0.9.7 documentation > and intro

Re: How did you begin your fun with Pylons?

2008-05-23 Thread Shannon -jj Behrens
On Fri, May 23, 2008 at 1:38 AM, Christoph Haas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Freitag, 23. Mai 2008, Mike Orr wrote: >> On Thu, May 22, 2008 at 11:46 PM, Raoul Snyman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: >> > I will have to agree with the sentiments already voiced here. The >> > documentation is very sp

Re: How did you begin your fun with Pylons?

2008-05-23 Thread Christoph Haas
On Freitag, 23. Mai 2008, Mike Orr wrote: > On Thu, May 22, 2008 at 11:46 PM, Raoul Snyman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I will have to agree with the sentiments already voiced here. The > > documentation is very sparse, and it relies on the user having a good > > understanding of MVC frameworks

Re: How did you begin your fun with Pylons?

2008-05-23 Thread Mike Orr
On Thu, May 22, 2008 at 11:46 PM, Raoul Snyman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I will have to agree with the sentiments already voiced here. The > documentation is very sparse, and it relies on the user having a good > understanding of MVC frameworks (like RoR and CakePHP). I wish Christoph were h

Re: How did you begin your fun with Pylons?

2008-05-22 Thread Raoul Snyman
I will have to agree with the sentiments already voiced here. The documentation is very sparse, and it relies on the user having a good understanding of MVC frameworks (like RoR and CakePHP). Having actually attempted to write my own MVC framework in PHP (and then abandoning it due to limitations

Re: How did you begin your fun with Pylons?

2008-05-22 Thread Noah Gift
On Thu, May 22, 2008 at 6:20 PM, Mike Orr <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On Thu, May 22, 2008 at 3:07 PM, Shannon -jj Behrens <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: >> >> On Thu, May 22, 2008 at 7:37 AM, Mikeroz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >>> Hey guys, >>> I'm wondering where did you start your journey wit

Re: How did you begin your fun with Pylons?

2008-05-22 Thread Garland, Ken R
Wow, I thought by the subject this was going to be some endearing story telling about how great Pylons is and why you came to use it as your chosen framework for developing with Python and the web, etc. Well, if this is a forum for such a thing let me say that I love Pylons and started my venture

Re: How did you begin your fun with Pylons?

2008-05-22 Thread Mike Orr
On Thu, May 22, 2008 at 3:07 PM, Shannon -jj Behrens <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On Thu, May 22, 2008 at 7:37 AM, Mikeroz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> Hey guys, >> I'm wondering where did you start your journey with Pylons? > > Ben Bangert and I decided to meet for dinner in Berkeley. I got v

Re: How did you begin your fun with Pylons?

2008-05-22 Thread Shannon -jj Behrens
On Thu, May 22, 2008 at 7:37 AM, Mikeroz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hey guys, > I'm wondering where did you start your journey with Pylons? Ben Bangert and I decided to meet for dinner in Berkeley. I got very lost and ended up in Oakland. I finally got to the restaurant an hour late. Ben had

Re: How did you begin your fun with Pylons?

2008-05-22 Thread Kyle Crawford
On May 22, 2008, at 10:37 AM, Mikeroz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Hey guys, > I'm wondering where did you start your journey with Pylons? I'm asking > this questions because of the low number of tutorials, sh*tty > tutorials on Pylons site maybe there's a big boom about 0.9.7? > Honestly

Re: How did you begin your fun with Pylons?

2008-05-22 Thread Mel Raab
I'm introducing myself to Pylons, too. Even though Pylons is a framework that incorporates the work of many others, I'm impressed with its clarity and design with direct purpose. I, too, find documentation to be scattered and of various vintages, and I certainly look forward to a cohesive presen

Re: How did you begin your fun with Pylons?

2008-05-22 Thread Duong Vu
Hey Mike, It's funny that you said the big boom happen about a month ago. I'm the lead in my company and was asked to pick a dynamic language and web framework we can standardizes on nearly a month ago. After doing some research, I recommended Python and Pylon. I can't say much about either yet

Re: How did you begin your fun with Pylons?

2008-05-22 Thread Mike Orr
On Thu, May 22, 2008 at 7:37 AM, Mikeroz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Hey guys, > I'm wondering where did you start your journey with Pylons? I'm asking > this questions because of the low number of tutorials, sh*tty > tutorials on Pylons site maybe there's a big boom about 0.9.7? > Honestly

How did you begin your fun with Pylons?

2008-05-22 Thread Mikeroz
Hey guys, I'm wondering where did you start your journey with Pylons? I'm asking this questions because of the low number of tutorials, sh*tty tutorials on Pylons site maybe there's a big boom about 0.9.7? Honestly - I don't think so... If I remember good - it should be on more than a month ag