Re: Anonymous email users

2024-06-25 Thread Chris Angelico via Python-list
On Wed, 26 Jun 2024 at 03:40, Anton Shepelev via Python-list wrote: > > Chris Angelico to dn: > > > > Python mailing-lists are covered by the Code of Conduct > > > and monitored by ListAdmins. Thus, there are controls > > > which limit the impact which advertisers and others with > > > non-pythoni

Re: Anonymous email users

2024-06-25 Thread Anton Shepelev via Python-list
Chris Angelico to dn: > > Python mailing-lists are covered by the Code of Conduct > > and monitored by ListAdmins. Thus, there are controls > > which limit the impact which advertisers and others with > > non-pythonic aims might otherwise exert! > > So long as there's a newsgroup gateway, those co

Re: Anonymous email users

2024-06-25 Thread Anton Shepelev via Python-list
Sebastian Wells: > The spammers won the spam wars, so even if you have > someone's real e-mail address, that's no guarantee that > you can contact them. No so with me. My e-mail address here is munged, but in a very obvious way, and no, my mailbox is not overwhelmed with spam. I make a habit of

RE: Anonymous email users

2024-06-24 Thread AVI GROSS via Python-list
This discussion has wandered far from my original mention that I found it hard to reply to people using an invalid email address. I see no real connection to python except insofar as at least one spam-filter mentioned is written in python! Just to add an observation, the people writing here have

Re: Anonymous email users

2024-06-24 Thread Chris Angelico via Python-list
s. Mostly the same, although in my case, I've had multiple email addresses for different purposes (and still kept all of them for decades). > I get at most a few spam emails per week [I just checked my spam > folder: 8 in the past 30 days]. And Gmail is very, very close to 100% > a

Re: Anonymous email users

2024-06-24 Thread Grant Edwards via Python-list
On 2024-06-24, Barry Scott via Python-list wrote: >> On 23 Jun 2024, at 06:58, Sebastian Wells via Python-list >> wrote: >> >> The spammers won the spam wars, so even if you have someone's real >> e-mail address, that's no guarantee that you can contact

Re: Anonymous email users

2024-06-24 Thread Chris Angelico via Python-list
On Tue, 25 Jun 2024 at 08:31, dn via Python-list wrote: > Python mailing-lists are covered by the Code of Conduct and monitored by > ListAdmins. Thus, there are controls which limit the impact which > advertisers and others with non-pythonic aims might otherwise exert! > So long as there's a news

Re: Anonymous email users

2024-06-24 Thread dn via Python-list
s there's a specific message I'm expecting to find there right now. My email address is well known and yes I get spam emails. I use the wonderful python based spambayes software to detect spam and file into a Junk folder. It works for 99.9% of the emails I get. I use the Thunderbird

Re: Anonymous email users

2024-06-24 Thread Thomas Passin via Python-list
27;t be able to contact me at my real e-mail address, unless you also had my phone number, so you could call me and tell me that you sent me an e-mail, and what the subject line was so I can find it. I don't even open my e-mail inbox unless there's a specific message I'm expecting to fi

Re: Anonymous email users

2024-06-24 Thread Barry Scott via Python-list
real e-mail address, > unless you also had my phone number, so you could call me and tell > me that you sent me an e-mail, and what the subject line was so I > can find it. I don't even open my e-mail inbox unless there's a > specific message I'm expecting to find there r

Re: Anonymous email users

2024-06-23 Thread Sebastian Wells via Python-list
On Fri, 14 Jun 2024 18:00:37 -0400, avi.e.gross wrote: > I notice that in some recent discussions, we have users who cannot be > replied to directly as their email addresses are not valid ones, and I > believe on purpose. Examples in the thread I was going to reply to are: > >

Re: Anonymous email users

2024-06-18 Thread Grant Edwards via Python-list
On 2024-06-18, Mats Wichmann via Python-list wrote: > On 6/17/24 17:51, dn via Python-list wrote: > >> +1 >> >> The "public" part is not to embarrass posters, but recognition that >> there are likely other people 'out there' (or arriving in-future if they >> care to read the archives) experienc

Re: Anonymous email users

2024-06-18 Thread Mats Wichmann via Python-list
On 6/17/24 17:51, dn via Python-list wrote: +1 The "public" part is not to embarrass posters, but recognition that there are likely other people 'out there' (or arriving in-future if they care to read the archives) experiencing a similar problem. (hence need for descriptive Subject lines - i

Re: Anonymous email users

2024-06-17 Thread dn via Python-list
tact folk directly. However, such for personal purposes - as distinct from the list, and possibly subjects OT for the list. When contacted by others off-list, I play it by ear - ignore, personal, or post response on-list. (some lists/email-clients do seem to prefer personal replies, even when inc

RE: Anonymous email users

2024-06-17 Thread AVI GROSS via Python-list
being contacted, again, fine for them. The reality is that I have found people who show up in forums looking almost legit but actually are not at all who they appear or claim to be even when they have valid email addresses like mrsp...@gmail.com or even use names of real people you can search for on t

Re: Anonymous email users

2024-06-17 Thread Grant Edwards via Python-list
On 2024-06-17, Roel Schroeven via Python-list wrote: > FWIW, personally I (mostly) don't see the point of replying to people > personally. To me a public mailing list is much like any public forum, > where my expectation is that conversations happen in public. To me it > always feels weird whe

Re: Anonymous email users

2024-06-17 Thread Roel Schroeven via Python-list
rs me *that* much; I just ignore those. It's very well possible that's just me, and that other people have different expectations. But I don't go hiding my email address, that's a whole different kettle. -- "Let everything happen to you Beauty and terror Just keep

RE: Anonymous email users

2024-06-17 Thread AVI GROSS via Python-list
ID but note others have put their email address in their signature, perhaps slightly disguised as in: Myname=ereweon.com Or myn...@unspecified.tb s/unspecified.tb/yahoo.com/ It may be the gateway or other records can find them if they are nasty, but for now, it is just an observation that it

Re: Anonymous email users

2024-06-17 Thread Marco Moock via Python-list
On 15.06.2024 um 10:30 Uhr dn wrote: > These mailing-lists all run under the Python Code of Conduct. > > This also effects a conundrum. Firstly, that someone abusing others > (for example) shall be held responsible. Secondly, that in order to > hold someone responsible, he/she/... must be identif

Re: Anonymous email users

2024-06-14 Thread Cameron Simpson via Python-list
On 14Jun2024 18:00, avi.e.gr...@gmail.com wrote: I notice that in some recent discussions, we have users who cannot be replied to directly as their email addresses are not valid ones, and I believe on purpose. Examples in the thread I was going to reply to are: <mailto:henha...@devnull

Re: Anonymous email users

2024-06-14 Thread Chris Angelico via Python-list
On Sat, 15 Jun 2024 at 08:32, dn via Python-list wrote: > These mailing-lists all run under the Python Code of Conduct. > The newsgroup, however, is not. Which means that anyone who posts on the newsgroup is subject to no such restrictions - and that might explain the, shall we say, quite differe

Re: Anonymous email users

2024-06-14 Thread dn via Python-list
On 15/06/24 10:00, AVI GROSS via Python-list wrote: I notice that in some recent discussions, we have users who cannot be replied to directly as their email addresses are not valid ones, and I believe on purpose. Examples in the thread I was going to reply to are: ... It's an intere

Anonymous email users

2024-06-14 Thread AVI GROSS via Python-list
I notice that in some recent discussions, we have users who cannot be replied to directly as their email addresses are not valid ones, and I believe on purpose. Examples in the thread I was going to reply to are: <mailto:henha...@devnull.tb> henha...@devnull.tb <mailto

RE: Checking if email is valid

2023-11-07 Thread AVI GROSS via Python-list
offender now is various forms of security which insist on not letting you into a web site for your bank or other resources unless they first send you an email or text message or perhaps a voice call with random digits to use as verification. Try sitting somewhere with your phone muted as all the beeps get

Re: Checking if email is valid

2023-11-07 Thread D'Arcy Cain via Python-list
On 2023-11-07 08:40, Grant Edwards via Python-list wrote: If you, as a web developer, want the user to enter a text-message capable phone number, then ASK FOR THAT! And you may as well ask if they even want you to send texts whether they can technically receive them or not. -- D'Arcy J.M. Ca

Re: Checking if email is valid

2023-11-07 Thread Grant Edwards via Python-list
On 2023-11-06, Greg Ewing via Python-list wrote: > On 7/11/23 7:45 am, Mats Wichmann wrote: >> Continuing with the example, if you have a single phone number field, or >> let a mobile number be entered in a field marked for landline, you will >> probably assume you can text to that number. > > B

Re: Checking if email is valid

2023-11-06 Thread rbowman via Python-list
On Tue, 7 Nov 2023 12:11:18 +1300, Greg Ewing wrote: > On 6/11/23 6:34 pm, rbowman wrote: >> We've found even if you directly ask the user often the answer is 'I >> dunno' or some mythology they have constructed to explain the problem. > > This seems to apply to hardware issues as well. Louis Ros

RE: Checking if email is valid

2023-11-06 Thread AVI GROSS via Python-list
, 2023 6:20 PM To: python-list@python.org Subject: Re: Checking if email is valid On Tue, 7 Nov 2023 at 10:11, Greg Ewing via Python-list wrote: > > On 7/11/23 7:45 am, Mats Wichmann wrote: > > Continuing with the example, if you have a single phone number field, or > > let

Re: Checking if email is valid

2023-11-06 Thread Chris Angelico via Python-list
On Tue, 7 Nov 2023 at 10:11, Greg Ewing via Python-list wrote: > > On 7/11/23 7:45 am, Mats Wichmann wrote: > > Continuing with the example, if you have a single phone number field, or > > let a mobile number be entered in a field marked for landline, you will > > probably assume you can text to t

Re: Checking if email is valid

2023-11-06 Thread Greg Ewing via Python-list
On 6/11/23 6:34 pm, rbowman wrote: We've found even if you directly ask the user often the answer is 'I dunno' or some mythology they have constructed to explain the problem. This seems to apply to hardware issues as well. Louis Rossmann has a philosophy of "Never believe what the customer tell

Re: Checking if email is valid

2023-11-06 Thread Greg Ewing via Python-list
On 7/11/23 7:45 am, Mats Wichmann wrote: Continuing with the example, if you have a single phone number field, or let a mobile number be entered in a field marked for landline, you will probably assume you can text to that number. But if the site can detect that you've entered a mobile number

Re: Checking if email is valid

2023-11-06 Thread Chris Angelico via Python-list
On Tue, 7 Nov 2023 at 07:10, Mats Wichmann via Python-list wrote: > Suggests maybe labeling should be something like: > > * Number you want to be called on > * Number for texted security messages, if different > > Never seen that, though :-) > My responses would be: * Don't. * That's what crypto

Re: Checking if email is valid

2023-11-06 Thread Mats Wichmann via Python-list
On 11/6/23 08:23, Jon Ribbens via Python-list wrote: On 2023-11-06, Mats Wichmann wrote: On 11/6/23 01:57, Simon Connah via Python-list wrote: The thing I truly hate is when you have two telephone number fields. One for landline and one for mobile. I mean who in hell has a landline these days?

Re: Checking if email is valid

2023-11-06 Thread Chris Angelico via Python-list
On Tue, 7 Nov 2023 at 02:05, Jon Ribbens via Python-list wrote: > That was another thing that I used to find ridiculous, but seems to have > improved somewhat in recent years - website error pages that said "please > contact us to let us know about this error". I'm sorry, what? You want > me to co

Re: Checking if email is valid

2023-11-06 Thread MRAB via Python-list
On 2023-11-06 08:57, Simon Connah via Python-list wrote: I can see how the truley dim-witted might forget that other countries have phone numbers with differing lengths and formatting/punctuation, but there are tons of sites where it takes multiple tries when entering even a bog-standard USA 10

Re: Checking if email is valid

2023-11-06 Thread Jon Ribbens via Python-list
On 2023-11-06, Mats Wichmann wrote: > On 11/6/23 01:57, Simon Connah via Python-list wrote: >> The thing I truly hate is when you have two telephone number fields. >> One for landline and one for mobile. I mean who in hell has a >> landline these days? > > People who live in places with spotty, o

Re: Checking if email is valid

2023-11-06 Thread Jon Ribbens via Python-list
On 2023-11-06, D'Arcy Cain wrote: > On 2023-11-05 06:48, Jon Ribbens via Python-list wrote: >> Sometimes I think that these sorts of stupid, wrong, validation are the >> fault of idiot managers. When it's apostrophes though I'm suspicious >> that it may be idiot programmers who don't know how to p

Re: Checking if email is valid

2023-11-06 Thread Mats Wichmann via Python-list
On 11/6/23 01:57, Simon Connah via Python-list wrote: The thing I truly hate is when you have two telephone number fields. One for landline and one for mobile. I mean who in hell has a landline these days? People who live in places with spotty, or no, mobile coverage. We do exist. -- https://m

Re: Checking if email is valid

2023-11-06 Thread rbowman via Python-list
On Sun, 5 Nov 2023 19:22:49 -0600, D'Arcy Cain wrote: > Gotta wonder for sure. It could also be the case of programmers > depending on user input but the users insist on living with the bugs > and/or working around them. We made crash reporting dead simple to > report on and still users didn't b

Re: Checking if email is valid

2023-11-06 Thread Simon Connah via Python-list
> I can see how the truley dim-witted might forget that other countries > have phone numbers with differing lengths and formatting/punctuation, > but there are tons of sites where it takes multiple tries when > entering even a bog-standard USA 10-0digit phone nubmer because they > are completely f

Re: Checking if email is valid

2023-11-05 Thread D'Arcy Cain via Python-list
On 2023-11-05 06:48, Jon Ribbens via Python-list wrote: Sometimes I think that these sorts of stupid, wrong, validation are the fault of idiot managers. When it's apostrophes though I'm suspicious that it may be idiot programmers who don't know how to prevent SQL injection attacks without just sa

Re: Checking if email is valid

2023-11-05 Thread Jon Ribbens via Python-list
On 2023-11-05, Grant Edwards wrote: > On 2023-11-05, D'Arcy Cain via Python-list wrote: >> On 2023-11-05 00:39, Grant Edwards via Python-list wrote: >>> Definitely. Syntactic e-mail address "validation" is one of the most >>> useless and widely broken things on the Interwebs. People who do >>> a

Re: Checking if email is valid

2023-11-05 Thread Mats Wichmann via Python-list
On 11/5/23 10:34, Grant Edwards via Python-list wrote: Indeed. There is a tiny but brightly burning kernel of hate in my heart for web sites (and their developers) that refuse to accept credit card numbers entered with spaces _as_they_are_shown_on_the_card_! I've concluded that using PHP causes

Re: Checking if email is valid

2023-11-05 Thread Jon Ribbens via Python-list
umber has spaces in it. Why do I have to remove them. If > you don't like them then you are a computer, just remove them. Yes, this is also very stupid and annoying. Does nobody who works for the companies making these sorts of websites ever use their own, or indeed anyone else's, webs

Re: Checking if email is valid

2023-11-05 Thread Grant Edwards via Python-list
On 2023-11-05, D'Arcy Cain via Python-list wrote: > On 2023-11-05 00:39, Grant Edwards via Python-list wrote: >> Definitely. Syntactic e-mail address "validation" is one of the most >> useless and widely broken things on the Interwebs. People who do >> anything other than require an '@' (and opti

Re: Checking if email is valid

2023-11-05 Thread gene heskett via Python-list
On 11/5/23 05:32, D'Arcy Cain via Python-list wrote: On 2023-11-05 00:39, Grant Edwards via Python-list wrote: Definitely. Syntactic e-mail address "validation" is one of the most useless and widely broken things on the Interwebs.  People who do anything other than require an '@' (and optionally

RE: Checking if email is valid

2023-11-05 Thread AVI GROSS via Python-list
Grant (and others), I am asking about the overall programming process of dealing with email addresses beyond checking the string for some validity. You mentioned requiring you type in your email twice as one example. I generally do a copy/paste to avoid typing or have my browser fill it in

Re: Checking if email is valid

2023-11-05 Thread D'Arcy Cain via Python-list
On 2023-11-05 00:39, Grant Edwards via Python-list wrote: Definitely. Syntactic e-mail address "validation" is one of the most useless and widely broken things on the Interwebs. People who do anything other than require an '@' (and optionally make you enter the same @-containing string twice) ar

Re: Checking if email is valid

2023-11-04 Thread Grant Edwards via Python-list
On 2023-11-04, Michael Torrie via Python-list wrote: > On 11/4/23 02:51, Simon Connah via Python-list wrote: > >> Wow. I'm half tempted to make a weird email address to see how many >> websites get it wrong. In my experience, they don't have to be very weird at all

Re: Checking if email is valid

2023-11-04 Thread Michael Torrie via Python-list
On 11/4/23 02:51, Simon Connah via Python-list wrote: > Wow. I'm half tempted to make a weird email address to see how many websites > get it wrong. > > Thank you for the link. Nearly all websites seem to reject simple correct email addresses such as myemail+sometext@example.d

Re: Checking if email is valid

2023-11-04 Thread Simon Connah via Python-list
ely that it's what you actually want. Would you really > want to allow: > > (jam today) "chris @ \"home\""@ (Chris's host.)public.example > > for example? And would you be able to do anything with it if you did? As I said in another post it would be

Re: Checking if email is valid

2023-11-04 Thread Simon Connah via Python-list
> > On 11/3/2023 6:51 AM, Jon Ribbens via Python-list wrote: > > > On 2023-11-03, Chris Angelico ros...@gmail.com wrote: > > > > > On Fri, 3 Nov 2023 at 12:21, AVI GROSS via Python-list > > > python-list@python.org wrote: > > > > >

Re: Checking if email is valid

2023-11-03 Thread Thomas Passin via Python-list
On 11/3/2023 6:51 AM, Jon Ribbens via Python-list wrote: On 2023-11-03, Chris Angelico wrote: On Fri, 3 Nov 2023 at 12:21, AVI GROSS via Python-list wrote: My guess is that a first test of an email address might be to see if a decent module of that kind fills out the object to your

Re: Checking if email is valid

2023-11-03 Thread Simon Connah via Python-list
> > > On 11/2/23 00:42, Simon Connah via Python-list wrote: > > > Basically I'm writing unit tests and one of them passess in a string > > with an invalid email address. I need to be able to check the string > > to see if it is a valid email so that the

Re: Checking if email is valid

2023-11-03 Thread Grant Edwards via Python-list
read the relevant RFCs. Lots of corner cases! From what > I can see virtually no one on the internet gets it right, judging by the > number of times I have valid email addresses flagged as not valid by > poor algorithms. I've wondered if there are addresses that violate the RFC (

RE: Checking if email is valid

2023-11-03 Thread AVI GROSS via Python-list
other module lets you test if the domain name is registered. I have not read the RFC and have not worked on email applications in decades and am not offering specific advice. I am merely suggesting the possible use of existing software modules that may provide a better approach in weeding out SOM

Re: Checking if email is valid

2023-11-03 Thread Jon Ribbens via Python-list
On 2023-11-03, Chris Angelico wrote: > On Fri, 3 Nov 2023 at 12:21, AVI GROSS via Python-list > wrote: >> My guess is that a first test of an email address might be to see if >> a decent module of that kind fills out the object to your >> satisfaction. You can then p

Re: Checking if email is valid

2023-11-02 Thread Chris Angelico via Python-list
On Fri, 3 Nov 2023 at 12:21, AVI GROSS via Python-list wrote: > My guess is that a first test of an email address might be to see if a decent > module of that kind fills out the object to your satisfaction. You can then > perhaps test parts of the object, rather than everything at onc

RE: Checking if email is valid

2023-11-02 Thread AVI GROSS via Python-list
I have never had a need to check email but in my reading over the years, I am aware of modules of multiple kinds you can use to do things like parsing dates, URL and email addresses and probably many other such things into some kind of object and then you can use aspects of the object to do

Re: Checking if email is valid

2023-11-02 Thread Chris Angelico via Python-list
y unlikely that it's what you actually want. Would you really > want to allow: > > (jam today) "chris @ \"home\""@ (Chris's host.)public.example > > for example? And would you be able to do anything with it if you did? If by checking against the spe

Re: Checking if email is valid

2023-11-02 Thread Mike Dewhirst via Python-list
If i wanted an email verifier I would look at open source frameworks and see how they do it. Django comes to mind.--(Unsigned mail from my phone) Original message From: Michael Torrie via Python-list Date: 3/11/23 07:23 (GMT+10:00) To: python-list@python.org Subject: Re

Re: Checking if email is valid

2023-11-02 Thread Michael Torrie via Python-list
On 11/2/23 00:42, Simon Connah via Python-list wrote: > Basically I'm writing unit tests and one of them passess in a string > with an invalid email address. I need to be able to check the string > to see if it is a valid email so that the unit test passess. If you truly have mana

Re: Checking if email is valid

2023-11-02 Thread Jon Ribbens via Python-list
On 2023-11-02, Simon Connah wrote: > Valid as in conforms to the standard. Although having looked at the > standard that might be more difficult than originally planned. Yes. Almost nobody actually implements "the standard" as in RFC 2822 section 3.4.1 (which can contain, for example, non-printab

Re: Checking if email is valid

2023-11-02 Thread D'Arcy Cain via Python-list
used to do that. The facility was very quickly turned off. I note earlier iterations of email had addressed like mach1!mach2!mach3!ihnp4!mach5!mach6!user or even mach1!mach2!user@mach3 and I remember tools that analyzed what other machines various machines claimed to have a direct connection to

RE: Checking if email is valid

2023-11-02 Thread AVI GROSS via Python-list
via Python-list Sent: Thursday, November 2, 2023 2:05 AM To: python-list@python.org Subject: Re: Checking if email is valid On Thu, 2 Nov 2023 at 15:20, AVI GROSS via Python-list wrote: > > Yes, it would be nice if there was a syntax for sending a test message sort > of like an ACK th

Re: Checking if email is valid

2023-11-02 Thread Simon Connah via Python-list
> Please re-read. > Discussion is about "closeness". > Thus, what you might expect from email servers and Admins, NOT what you > should do. That part should be quite evident by now! > My apologies for making a mistake. Simon. signature.asc Description: OpenPGP di

Re: Checking if email is valid

2023-11-02 Thread D'Arcy Cain via Python-list
On 2023-11-02 02:04, Chris Angelico via Python-list wrote: On Thu, 2 Nov 2023 at 15:20, AVI GROSS via Python-list wrote: Yes, it would be nice if there was a syntax for sending a test message sort of like an ACK that is not delivered to the recipient but merely results in some status being sen

Re: Checking if email is valid

2023-11-02 Thread Dan Purgert via Python-list
On 2023-11-02, dn wrote: > On 02/11/2023 19.46, Simon Connah via Python-list wrote: >> [...] >> My goal is to make a simple mailing list platform. I guess I could >> just send email to an address and if it bounces then I can remove it >> from the database. Thing is I

Re: Checking if email is valid

2023-11-02 Thread Alan Bawden via Python-list
Chris Angelico writes: On Thu, 2 Nov 2023 at 15:20, AVI GROSS via Python-list wrote: > Yes, it would be nice if there was a syntax for sending a test > message sort of like an ACK that is not delivered to the recipient > but merely results in some status being sent back such as

Re: Checking if email is valid

2023-11-02 Thread Jon Ribbens via Python-list
> after the '@'. >> >> No guarantee that there'll be a dot after the at. (Technically there's >> no guarantee of an at sign either, but email addresses without at >> signs are local-only, so in many contexts, you can assume there needs >> to be an

Re: Checking if email is valid

2023-11-02 Thread dn via Python-list
bout "closeness". Thus, what you might expect from email servers and Admins, NOT what you should do. That part should be quite evident by now! -- Regards, =dn -- https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

Re: Checking if email is valid

2023-11-02 Thread Simon Connah via Python-list
> Agreed. > > However, with names that are frequently misspelled or which are > commonly-spelled slightly differently, the 'trick' is to anticipate > problems and set up aliases which forward messages to the correct address*. > > eg Kelvin -> Kevlin > > Niel, Neal, Neale (etc) -> Neil > >

Re: Checking if email is valid

2023-11-02 Thread Grizzy Adams via Python-list
Thursday, November 02, 2023 at 6:46, Simon Connah via Python-list wrote: Re: Checking if email is valid (at least in part) >My goal is to make a simple mailing list platform. I guess I could just send >email to an address and if it bounces then I can remove it from the database. That fu

Re: Checking if email is valid

2023-11-02 Thread dn via Python-list
On 02/11/2023 19.56, Chris Angelico via Python-list wrote: On Thu, 2 Nov 2023 at 17:47, Simon Connah wrote: My goal is to make a simple mailing list platform. I guess I could just send email to an address and if it bounces then I can remove it from the database. Thing is I'm not sur

Re: Checking if email is valid

2023-11-02 Thread Simon Connah via Python-list
> > > See https://www.linuxjournal.com/article/9585?page=0,0 > That looks painful to maintain! signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

Re: Checking if email is valid

2023-11-02 Thread dn via Python-list
On 02/11/2023 19.46, Simon Connah via Python-list wrote: On Thu, 2 Nov 2023 at 05:21, Simon Connah via Python-list python-list@python.org wrote: Could someone push me in the right direction please? I just want to find out if a string is a valid email address. There is only one way

Re: Checking if email is valid

2023-11-02 Thread Chris Angelico via Python-list
one, for exactly the > reasons above. Yeah, and it also won't tell you if the mailbox is full, or unattended, or if the email would be rejected or discarded for any other reason. Which means it's not even all that useful if it IS implemented. ChrisA -- https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

Re: Checking if email is valid

2023-11-01 Thread Chris Angelico via Python-list
On Thu, 2 Nov 2023 at 17:47, Simon Connah wrote: > > My goal is to make a simple mailing list platform. I guess I could just send > email to an address and if it bounces then I can remove it from the database. > Thing is I'm not sure how close to a real email address an e

Re: Checking if email is valid

2023-11-01 Thread Simon Connah via Python-list
> > On 2023-11-01, Chris Angelico ros...@gmail.com wrote: > > > On Thu, 2 Nov 2023 at 05:21, Simon Connah via Python-list > > python-list@python.org wrote: > > > > > Could someone push me in the right direction please? I just want to > > >

Re: Checking if email is valid

2023-11-01 Thread Simon Connah via Python-list
> > > On Thu, 2 Nov 2023 at 05:21, Simon Connah via Python-list > python-list@python.org wrote: > > > Could someone push me in the right direction please? I just want to find > > out if a string is a valid email address. > > > There is only one way to

Re: Checking if email is valid

2023-11-01 Thread Cameron Simpson via Python-list
On 02Nov2023 17:04, Chris Angelico wrote: On Thu, 2 Nov 2023 at 15:20, AVI GROSS via Python-list wrote: Yes, it would be nice if there was a syntax for sending a test message sort of like an ACK that is not delivered to the recipient but merely results in some status being sent back such as D

Re: Checking if email is valid

2023-11-01 Thread Simon Connah via Python-list
> > On 2023-11-01, Simon Connah via Python-list python-list@python.org wrote: > > > I'm building a simple project using smtplib and have a > > question. I've been doing unit testing but I'm not sure how to check > > if an email message is valid. >

Re: Checking if email is valid

2023-11-01 Thread Chris Angelico via Python-list
On Thu, 2 Nov 2023 at 15:20, AVI GROSS via Python-list wrote: > > Yes, it would be nice if there was a syntax for sending a test message sort > of like an ACK that is not delivered to the recipient but merely results in > some status being sent back such as DELIVERABLE or NO SUCH USER or even > MA

RE: Checking if email is valid

2023-11-01 Thread AVI GROSS via Python-list
is that some email addresses are not always valid or may not be valid yet but will be activated later. If I plan on opening a business unit which DNS will later support as specific.category.mycompany.com.au and we first want to write some code and test it and roll everything out later, then a test

Re: Checking if email is valid

2023-11-01 Thread Ian Hobson via Python-list
See https://www.linuxjournal.com/article/9585?page=0,0 On 01/11/2023 17:09, Simon Connah via Python-list wrote: Hi, I'm building a simple project using smtplib and have a question. I've been doing unit testing but I'm not sure how to check if an email message is valid. Usi

Re: Checking if email is valid

2023-11-01 Thread D'Arcy Cain via Python-list
Technically there's no guarantee of an at sign either, but email addresses without at signs are local-only, so in many contexts, you can assume there needs to be an at.) druid!darcy - doesn't work any more but not because it is syntactically incorrect. Remember the good old days whe

Re: Checking if email is valid

2023-11-01 Thread Cameron Simpson via Python-list
On 01Nov2023 14:08, Grant Edwards wrote: On 2023-11-01, Simon Connah via Python-list wrote: I'm building a simple project using smtplib and have a question. I've been doing unit testing but I'm not sure how to check if an email message is valid. [...] Could someone push

Re: Checking if email is valid

2023-11-01 Thread Michael Torrie via Python-list
On 11/1/23 04:09, Simon Connah via Python-list wrote: > Hi, > > I'm building a simple project using smtplib and have a question. I've been > doing unit testing but I'm not sure how to check if an email message is > valid. Using regex sounds like a bad idea to me

Re: Checking if email is valid

2023-11-01 Thread Chris Angelico via Python-list
xact server you send to, whereas if you have a domain part, all you need is some server that accepts mail for forwarding. > > (Technically there's no guarantee of an at sign either, but email > > addresses without at signs are local-only, so in many contexts, you > >

Re: Checking if email is valid

2023-11-01 Thread Grant Edwards via Python-list
27;ll be a dot after the at. Ah, I forgot about defaulting to a local domain if one is omitted. Will MTAs do that these days? > (Technically there's no guarantee of an at sign either, but email > addresses without at signs are local-only, so in many contexts, you > can assume there nee

Re: Checking if email is valid

2023-11-01 Thread Chris Angelico via Python-list
On Thu, 2 Nov 2023 at 08:09, Grant Edwards via Python-list wrote: > Make sure it has an '@' in it. Possibly require at least one '.' > after the '@'. No guarantee that there'll be a dot after the at. (Technically there's no guarantee of an at sig

Re: Checking if email is valid

2023-11-01 Thread Grant Edwards via Python-list
On 2023-11-01, Simon Connah via Python-list wrote: > I'm building a simple project using smtplib and have a > question. I've been doing unit testing but I'm not sure how to check > if an email message is valid. Send an e-mail using it? If the right person gets the

Re: Checking if email is valid

2023-11-01 Thread De ongekruisigde via Python-list
On 2023-11-01, Mats Wichmann wrote: > On 11/1/23 05:35, Simon Connah via Python-list wrote: >> OK. I've been doing some reading and that you should avoid regex to check >> email addresses. So what I was thinking was something like this: > > To be a little more specif

Re: Checking if email is valid

2023-11-01 Thread dn via Python-list
On 02/11/2023 00.35, Simon Connah via Python-list wrote: OK. I've been doing some reading and that you should avoid regex to check email addresses. This operation used to be a BIG THING back in the days of 'everyone' building PHP web-sites. When there were only a handful of T

Re: Checking if email is valid

2023-11-01 Thread Mats Wichmann via Python-list
On 11/1/23 05:35, Simon Connah via Python-list wrote: OK. I've been doing some reading and that you should avoid regex to check email addresses. So what I was thinking was something like this: To be a little more specific, Avoid Rolling Your Own RegEx. It's very tricky, and you w

Re: Checking if email is valid

2023-11-01 Thread Chris Angelico via Python-list
On Thu, 2 Nov 2023 at 06:02, Jon Ribbens via Python-list wrote: > > On 2023-11-01, Chris Angelico wrote: > > On Thu, 2 Nov 2023 at 05:21, Simon Connah via Python-list > > wrote: > >> Could someone push me in the right direction please? I just want to > >> f

Re: Checking if email is valid

2023-11-01 Thread Jon Ribbens via Python-list
On 2023-11-01, Chris Angelico wrote: > On Thu, 2 Nov 2023 at 05:21, Simon Connah via Python-list > wrote: >> Could someone push me in the right direction please? I just want to >> find out if a string is a valid email address. > > There is only one way to know that a

Re: Checking if email is valid

2023-11-01 Thread Chris Angelico via Python-list
On Thu, 2 Nov 2023 at 05:21, Simon Connah via Python-list wrote: > > Could someone push me in the right direction please? I just want to find out > if a string is a valid email address. There is only one way to know that a string is a valid email address, and that's to send

Checking if email is valid

2023-11-01 Thread Simon Connah via Python-list
Hi, I'm building a simple project using smtplib and have a question. I've been doing unit testing but I'm not sure how to check if an email message is valid. Using regex sounds like a bad idea to me and the other options I found required paying for third party services. Could

Re: Checking if email is valid

2023-11-01 Thread Simon Connah via Python-list
OK. I've been doing some reading and that you should avoid regex to check email addresses. So what I was thinking was something like this: if type(email_recipient) != email.message.Message: I just don't know why that particular line isn't working. Thank you! --- O

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