Re: When someone from Britain speaks, Americans hear a "British accent"...

2005-10-15 Thread Bengt Richter
On Sat, 08 Oct 2005 07:55:59 GMT, Dennis Lee Bieber <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >On Fri, 07 Oct 2005 21:24:35 +1000, Steven D'Aprano ><[EMAIL PROTECTED]> declaimed the following in >comp.lang.python: > >> I think where the people are getting confused is that it is (arguably) >> acceptable to use "t

Re: When someone from Britain speaks, Americans hear a "British accent"...

2005-10-15 Thread Bengt Richter
On Fri, 7 Oct 2005 15:28:24 -0500, Terry Hancock <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >On Friday 07 October 2005 03:01 am, Steve Holden wrote: >> OK, so how do you account for the execresence "That will give you a >> savings of 20%", which usage is common in America? > >In America, anyway, "savings" is a c

Re: When someone from Britain speaks, Americans hear a "British accent"...

2005-10-11 Thread Terry Hancock
On Tuesday 11 October 2005 09:37 am, Grant Edwards wrote: > On 2005-10-10, Terry Hancock <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> Likewise, "dude" is often used when addressing a female but > >> almost never when speaking about one in the third person. > > > > This I have never witnessed. That's bizarre. >

Re: When someone from Britain speaks, Americans hear a "British accent"...

2005-10-11 Thread Grant Edwards
On 2005-10-10, Terry Hancock <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> Cool. While we're on the topic, has anybody else noticed that >> "guys" is acceptible and commonly used to refer to a group of >> women, > > Yeah, though it depends on where you are. I assumed you could tell that from my accent. :) >>

Re: When someone from Britain speaks, Americans hear a "British accent"...

2005-10-11 Thread Grant Edwards
On 2005-10-10, Terry Hancock <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> I must have been working at NASA at the time; they are well known for >> embiggening prices. > > Not nearly as much as the DoD, from what I hear. > > Truthfully, I think those stories are bit exaggerated -- I think the > real problem is s

Re: When someone from Britain speaks, Americans hear a "British accent"...

2005-10-11 Thread Charles Krug
On Mon, 10 Oct 2005 15:46:34 -0500, Terry Hancock <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Saturday 08 October 2005 04:35 am, Steve Holden wrote: >> I must have been working at NASA at the time; they are well known for >> embiggening prices. > > Not nearly as much as the DoD, from what I hear. > > Truthf

Re: When someone from Britain speaks, Americans hear a "British accent"...

2005-10-10 Thread DaveM
On Fri, 7 Oct 2005 15:57:14 -0500, Terry Hancock <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >In a Texas dialect, "their" is construed to mean "singular third person >of indeterminate gender". It's considered rude to use "it" to apply to >a sentient, and "his or her" is "PC" (and therefore a great sin ;-) ). Work

Re: When someone from Britain speaks, Americans hear a "British accent"...

2005-10-10 Thread Terry Hancock
On Friday 07 October 2005 05:28 pm, Grant Edwards wrote: > Cool. While we're on the topic, has anybody else noticed that > "guys" is acceptible and commonly used to refer to a group of > women, Yeah, though it depends on where you are. > but the singular "guy" is never used to refer to a > sing

Re: When someone from Britain speaks, Americans hear a "British accent"...

2005-10-10 Thread Terry Hancock
On Saturday 08 October 2005 04:35 am, Steve Holden wrote: > I must have been working at NASA at the time; they are well known for > embiggening prices. Not nearly as much as the DoD, from what I hear. Truthfully, I think those stories are bit exaggerated -- I think the real problem is somebody m

Re: When someone from Britain speaks, Americans hear a "British accent"...

2005-10-09 Thread Steve Horsley
Steve Holden wrote: > Steve Horsley wrote: > [...] >> >> The one that always makes me grit my teeth is "You have got to, don't >> you?". Well no, I do NOT got to, actually. Shudder! >> > Shouldn't that be "I don't have to got to"? > > regards > Steve Yes it should. -- http://mail.python.org/ma

Re: When someone from Britain speaks, Americans hear a "British accent"...

2005-10-08 Thread Steve Holden
Steve Horsley wrote: [...] > > The one that always makes me grit my teeth is "You have got to, > don't you?". Well no, I do NOT got to, actually. Shudder! > Shouldn't that be "I don't have to got to"? regards Steve -- Steve Holden +44 150 684 7255 +1 800 494 3119 Holden Web LLC

Re: When someone from Britain speaks, Americans hear a "British accent"...

2005-10-08 Thread Steve Horsley
Steve Holden wrote: > Then again, there's room for infinite disagreement about these topics. I > mentioned a while ago that I disliked the English on a bumper sticker I > liked, which read > > "Some village in Texas is missing their idiot". > > Several people defended this, saying that a villag

Re: When someone from Britain speaks, Americans hear a "British accent"...

2005-10-08 Thread Michael
Terry Hancock wrote: > > Well, yeah, although the correct pronunciation is apparently > "te-tra-HEE-dra-GON". > As opposed to a "te-tra-SHE-dra-GON" ? ;-) Michael. -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

Re: When someone from Britain speaks, Americans hear a "British accent"...

2005-10-08 Thread Michael
Steve Holden wrote: ... > Or is "the green tomato" also unacceptable? > Of course it is. We all know* it should be "the green fried tomato", or "the killer tomato". :-) (is it me, or is the subject line for this thread silly? After all, what accent would you expect from someone in the UK? Howe

Re: When someone from Britain speaks, Americans hear a "British accent"...

2005-10-08 Thread Steve Holden
Terry Hancock wrote: > On Friday 07 October 2005 03:44 pm, Steve Holden wrote: > >>Precisely because there *is* such a thing as a saving. If I buy a $100 >>gumball for $80 I have achieved a saving of 20%. > > > Nope, that's incorrect American. ;-) > > You can say "I bought a $100 gumball for $

Re: When someone from Britain speaks, Americans hear a "British accent"...

2005-10-07 Thread Steven D'Aprano
On Fri, 07 Oct 2005 18:03:20 -0700, Luis M. Gonzalez wrote: > Continuing with this off-topic thread about british accent and > movies... > I've always asked myself why do Hollywood movies about the Roman Empire > show the Emperors and all the nobles speaking with british accent? > They were italia

Re: When someone from Britain speaks, Americans hear a "British accent"...

2005-10-07 Thread [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Luis M. Gonzalez wrote: > Grant Edwards ha escrito: > > While we're off this topic again topic, I was watching a BBC > > series "Space Race" the other night. The British actors did a > > passable job with the American accents in the scenes at Fort > > Bliss in Texas, but the writers wrote British

Re: When someone from Britain speaks, Americans hear a "British accent"...

2005-10-07 Thread Luis M. Gonzalez
Grant Edwards ha escrito: > While we're off this topic again topic, I was watching a BBC > series "Space Race" the other night. The British actors did a > passable job with the American accents in the scenes at Fort > Bliss in Texas, but the writers wrote British English lines for > them to speak

Re: When someone from Britain speaks, Americans hear a "British accent"...

2005-10-07 Thread Jack Diederich
On Fri, Oct 07, 2005 at 10:28:18PM -, Grant Edwards wrote: > On 2005-10-07, Jack Diederich <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > It is a bit odd that You'uns, yins, and yous are confined to Pennsylvania > > and very distinct east-west regions inside PA at that (Pittsburgh vs > > Philly orbits). >

Re: When someone from Britain speaks, Americans hear a "British accent"...

2005-10-07 Thread Grant Edwards
On 2005-10-07, Jack Diederich <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > "What word(s) do you use to address a group of two or more people?" > http://cfprod01.imt.uwm.edu/Dept/FLL/linguistics/dialect/staticmaps/q_50.html > A map from a US dialect survey. Click around for many more questions. Cool. While we'r

Re: When someone from Britain speaks, Americans hear a "British accent"...

2005-10-07 Thread Terry Hancock
On Friday 07 October 2005 04:21 pm, Grant Edwards wrote: > On 2005-10-07, Terry Hancock <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > Well, there's your problem. He learned from engineers. Engineers > > can't speak English. I was instructed in my "Engineering Statics" > > class that a three-dimensional struct

Re: When someone from Britain speaks, Americans hear a "British accent"...

2005-10-07 Thread Jack Diederich
On Fri, Oct 07, 2005 at 09:14:51PM -, Grant Edwards wrote: > On 2005-10-07, Terry Hancock <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > Of course, just to keep y'all on your toes, we Texans have not only > > construed "their" to singular, but also "you", and added a new > > plural "y'all". > > AFAICT, in

Re: When someone from Britain speaks, Americans hear a "British accent"...

2005-10-07 Thread Terry Hancock
On Friday 07 October 2005 03:44 pm, Steve Holden wrote: > Precisely because there *is* such a thing as a saving. If I buy a $100 > gumball for $80 I have achieved a saving of 20%. Nope, that's incorrect American. ;-) You can say "I bought a $100 gumball for $80, saving 20%," or "If I buy a $100

Re: When someone from Britain speaks, Americans hear a "British accent"...

2005-10-07 Thread Dave Hansen
On Fri, 7 Oct 2005 16:18:57 -0500, Terry Hancock <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >On Friday 07 October 2005 01:31 pm, Dave Hansen wrote: Actually, I didn't, though I did respond to it. Please watch your attributions. Thanks, -=Dave -- Change is inevitable, progress i

Re: When someone from Britain speaks, Americans hear a "British accent"...

2005-10-07 Thread Dave Hansen
On Fri, 07 Oct 2005 21:44:29 +0100, Steve Holden <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >Terry Hancock wrote: >> On Friday 07 October 2005 03:01 am, Steve Holden wrote: >> >>>OK, so how do you account for the execresence "That will give you a >>>savings of 20%", which usage is common in America? >> >> >>

Re: When someone from Britain speaks, Americans hear a "British accent"...

2005-10-07 Thread Grant Edwards
On 2005-10-07, Terry Hancock <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Well, there's your problem. He learned from engineers. Engineers > can't speak English. I was instructed in my "Engineering Statics" > class that a three-dimensional structure connecting non-coplanar > points in space was called a "tetrahe

Re: When someone from Britain speaks, Americans hear a "British accent"...

2005-10-07 Thread Grant Edwards
On 2005-10-07, Terry Hancock <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Of course, just to keep y'all on your toes, we Texans have not only > construed "their" to singular, but also "you", and added a new > plural "y'all". AFAICT, in many parts of "The South", y'all is now used in the singular (e.g. "y'all" is

Re: When someone from Britain speaks, Americans hear a "British accent"...

2005-10-07 Thread Terry Hancock
On Friday 07 October 2005 01:31 pm, Dave Hansen wrote: > >Don't get me started on _that_ one. I found it particularly > >horrifying that Jimmy Carter pronounced it "nucular" -- he had > >studied nuclear engineering at the naval acadamy, and should at > >least be able pronounce the word. Well, the

Re: When someone from Britain speaks, Americans hear a "British accent"...

2005-10-07 Thread Terry Hancock
On Friday 07 October 2005 06:24 am, Steven D'Aprano wrote: > > [snip] > > "Some village in Texas is missing their idiot". > > > > I personally found it odd (and essentially > > non-grammatical) not because either the singular or plural forms should > > be mandated but because this one manages

Re: When someone from Britain speaks, Americans hear a "British accent"...

2005-10-07 Thread Steve Holden
Terry Hancock wrote: > On Friday 07 October 2005 03:01 am, Steve Holden wrote: > >>OK, so how do you account for the execresence "That will give you a >>savings of 20%", which usage is common in America? > > > In America, anyway, "savings" is a collective abstract noun > (like "physics" or "me

Re: When someone from Britain speaks, Americans hear a "British accent"...

2005-10-07 Thread Fredrik Lundh
Terry Hancock wrote: > By the way, dict.org doesn't think "execresence" is a word, > although I interpret the neologism as meaning something like > "execrable utterance": > > dict.org said: > > No definitions found for 'execresence'! however, 'excrescence' appears to be a perfectly cromulent word

Re: When someone from Britain speaks, Americans hear a "British accent"...

2005-10-07 Thread Terry Hancock
On Friday 07 October 2005 03:01 am, Steve Holden wrote: > OK, so how do you account for the execresence "That will give you a > savings of 20%", which usage is common in America? In America, anyway, "savings" is a collective abstract noun (like "physics" or "mechanics"), there's no such noun as

Re: When someone from Britain speaks, Americans hear a "British accent"...

2005-10-07 Thread Dave Hansen
On Fri, 07 Oct 2005 14:24:42 -, Grant Edwards <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >On 2005-10-07, Steve Holden <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: [...] >> >> "Some village in Texas are missing their idiot" > >At least that one is consistent, though it sounds "wrong" to US >ears. The Germans have a word for it

Re: When someone from Britain speaks, Americans hear a "British accent"...

2005-10-07 Thread Steve Holden
Grant Edwards wrote: > On 2005-10-07, Steve Holden <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: [...] >>Then again, what can you expect from a country whose leader >>pronounces "nuclear" as though it were spelled "nucular"? > > > Don't get me started on _that_ one. I found it particularly > horrifying that Jimmy

Re: When someone from Britain speaks, Americans hear a "British accent"...

2005-10-07 Thread Grant Edwards
On 2005-10-07, Steve Holden <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >>>In sports (thats "sport" for you Brits): >> > OK, so how do you account for the execresence "That will give you a > savings of 20%", which usage is common in America? Dunno. Like much else in English (both American and British) "that's

Re: When someone from Britain speaks, Americans hear a "British accent"...

2005-10-07 Thread Grant Edwards
On 2005-10-07, DaveM <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >>For example: In British English one uses a plural verb when the >>subject consists of more than one person. Sports teams, >>government departments, states, corporations etc. are >>grammatically plural. In American, the verb agrees with the >>wor

Re: When someone from Britain speaks, Americans hear a "British accent"...

2005-10-07 Thread Rocco Moretti
Steve Holden wrote: >> On Fri, 07 Oct 2005 00:33:43 -, Grant Edwards <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> wrote: >>> For example: In British English one uses a plural verb when the >>> subject consists of more than one person. Sports teams, >>> government departments, states, corporations etc. are gramma

Re: When someone from Britain speaks, Americans hear a "British accent"...

2005-10-07 Thread Richie Hindle
[Richie] > Your previous post to this thread was chock-full of split nominatives: "The > Hollywood voice", "the specific regional accent", "the English-speaking > world", "the original French". And you call yourself a grammarian. [Steve] > I am presuming this post was meant to be a joke? It was

Re: When someone from Britain speaks, Americans hear a "British accent"...

2005-10-07 Thread Steve Holden
Richie Hindle wrote: > [Steve] > >>and yes, I split that infinitive just to >>annoy any pedants who may be reading > > > [Steven] > >>*Real* pedants will know that English is not Latin, does not follow the >>grammatical rules of Latin, and that just because split infinitives are >>impossible -

Re: When someone from Britain speaks, Americans hear a "British accent"...

2005-10-07 Thread Richie Hindle
[Steve] > and yes, I split that infinitive just to > annoy any pedants who may be reading [Steven] > *Real* pedants will know that English is not Latin, does not follow the > grammatical rules of Latin, and that just because split infinitives are > impossible -- not forbidden, impossible -- in L

Re: When someone from Britain speaks, Americans hear a "British accent"...

2005-10-07 Thread Steven D'Aprano
On Fri, 07 Oct 2005 09:01:21 +0100, Steve Holden wrote: > and yes, I split that infinitive just to > annoy any pedants who may be reading *Real* pedants will know that English is not Latin, does not follow the grammatical rules of Latin, and that just because split infinitives are impossible --

Re: When someone from Britain speaks, Americans hear a "British accent"...

2005-10-07 Thread Steve Holden
DaveM wrote: > On Fri, 07 Oct 2005 00:33:43 -, Grant Edwards <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: [...] > >>For example: In British English one uses a plural verb when the >>subject consists of more than one person. Sports teams, >>government departments, states, corporations etc. are >>grammatically

Re: When someone from Britain speaks, Americans hear a "British accent"...

2005-10-06 Thread DaveM
On Fri, 07 Oct 2005 00:33:43 -, Grant Edwards <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >On 2005-10-06, DaveM <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >>>Frankly, I can't watch Shakespeare or movies like "the full >>>monty" or "trainspotting" because I can't understand a damn >>>word they say. British talk sounds like g

Re: When someone from Britain speaks, Americans hear a "British accent"...

2005-10-06 Thread Neil Hodgson
Grant Edwards: > Where exactly did you see all these > sub-titled British TV/movies? I've noticed this too when travelling but can't recall precise details. Perhaps it is on the international versions of American channels such as CNN which are commonly watched by people with less English a

Re: When someone from Britain speaks, Americans hear a "British accent"...

2005-10-06 Thread Rick Wotnaz
Mike Meyer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]: > Grant Edwards <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: >> On 2005-10-06, DaveM <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Frankly, I can't watch Shakespeare or movies like "the full monty" or "trainspotting" because I can't understand a damn word t

Re: When someone from Britain speaks, Americans hear a "British accent"...

2005-10-06 Thread Grant Edwards
On 2005-10-07, Mike Meyer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >>> Not just you. It always amuses me in trips to the US that >>> British voices (outside of the movies) are often subtitled, >>> while first-generation Americans whose English is. um, >>> limited, are not. >> >> What?!? I've never seen a Briti

Re: When someone from Britain speaks, Americans hear a "British accent"...

2005-10-06 Thread Mike Meyer
Grant Edwards <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > On 2005-10-06, DaveM <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >>>Frankly, I can't watch Shakespeare or movies like "the full >>>monty" or "trainspotting" because I can't understand a damn >>>word they say. British talk sounds like gibberish to me for the >>>most part.

Re: When someone from Britain speaks, Americans hear a "British accent"...

2005-10-06 Thread Grant Edwards
On 2005-10-06, DaveM <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >>Frankly, I can't watch Shakespeare or movies like "the full >>monty" or "trainspotting" because I can't understand a damn >>word they say. British talk sounds like gibberish to me for the >>most part. > > Not just you. It always amuses me in trips

Re: When someone from Britain speaks, Americans hear a "British accent"...

2005-10-06 Thread DaveM
On Tue, 28 Jun 2005 14:52:44 -0700, James Stroud <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >Frankly, I can't watch Shakespeare or movies like "the full monty" or >"trainspotting" because I can't understand a damn word they say. British talk >sounds like gibberish to me for the most part. Not just you. It alwa

Re: When someone from Britain speaks, Americans hear a "British accent"...

2005-07-04 Thread Nick Efford
Grant Edwards <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I'm an American who grew up watching plenty of BBC, and I run > into afew native Londoners whom I have hard time understanding. > I don't ever remember having troubly understanding people > outside the city. But have you encountered regional dialects? - e

Re: When someone from Britain speaks, Americans hear a "British accent"...

2005-07-04 Thread Richie Hindle
[Chan] > T can be silent in England too .. > > frui' > cricke' [Stephen] > Both of those words (fruit and cricket) have the letter T sounded. > > Stephen (Nationality: English). Not necessarily - in my native accent they'd be replaced with glottal stops. Richie (Nationality: West Yorkshire 8-

Re: When someone from Britain speaks, Americans hear a "British accent"...

2005-07-03 Thread Paul Boddie
Mike Holmans <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message news:<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>... > Some of those sonorous slow talkers from the South, and majestic bass > African-Americans like James Earl Jones or Morgan Freeman, have far > more gravitas than any English accent can: to us, such people sound > monumen

Re: When someone from Britain speaks, Americans hear a "British accent"...

2005-07-02 Thread Grant Edwards
On 2005-07-03, Darkfalz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I find this amusing even when they have the most cockney, ghetto > English accent, Americans still find it "sophisticated". No they don't. Americans have pretty much the same stereotypes about regional English accents that the average Brit doe

Re: When someone from Britain speaks, Americans hear a "British accent"...

2005-07-02 Thread Darkfalz
muldoon wrote: > Americans consider having a "British accent" a sign of sophistication > and high intelligence. Many companies hire salespersons from Britain to > represent their products,etc. Question: When the British hear an > "American accent," does it sound unsophisticated and dumb? > > Be blu

Re: When someone from Britain speaks, Americans hear a "British accent"...

2005-07-02 Thread TZOTZIOY
On Thu, 30 Jun 2005 18:29:56 +0100, rumours say that Tom Anderson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> might have written: >On Thu, 30 Jun 2005, Benji York wrote: > >> python-needs-more-duct-tape'ly yours, > >You're in luck: Python 3000 will replace duck typing with duct taping. I would bet that somewhere in the

Re: When someone from Britain speaks, Americans hear a "British accent"...

2005-07-02 Thread TZOTZIOY
On 28 Jun 2005 13:24:42 -0700, rumours say that "muldoon" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> might have written: > Now, what forum would you recommend? Any help would be appreciated. alt.usage.english? alt.languages.english? alt.english.usage? uk.culture.language.english? -- TZOTZIOY, I speak England very be

Re: When someone from Britain speaks, Americans hear a "British accent"...

2005-07-02 Thread Stephen Kellett
In message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes >T can be silent in England too .. > >frui' >cricke' Both of those words (fruit and cricket) have the letter T sounded. Stephen (Nationality: English). -- Stephen Kellett Object Media Limitedhttp://www.objmedia.demon.co.uk/software.ht

Re: When someone from Britain speaks, Americans hear a "British accent"...

2005-07-01 Thread Chan . Fonseka
T can be silent in England too .. frui' cricke' or replaced with D in the US .. budder ledder -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

Re: When someone from Britain speaks, Americans hear a "British accent"...

2005-06-30 Thread Terry Hancock
On Thursday 30 June 2005 09:49 am, Benji York wrote: > Graham Fawcett wrote: > > keep-your-stick-on-the-ice'ly yours, > > Is that a Red Green reference? Man, I didn't think this could get any > more off-topic. :) > > python-needs-more-duct-tape'ly yours, No silly, it's "duck typing", not duc

Re: When someone from Britain speaks, Americans hear a "British accent"...

2005-06-30 Thread James Stroud
Well--to take this as far OT as imaginable, yes I do have strange hearing problems. I have difficulty recognizing speech of any kind with my right ear. Amazing to think that this would be enhanced for British, but it would be consistent with my experience, which seems similar to yours. James O

Re: When someone from Britain speaks, Americans hear a "British accent"...

2005-06-30 Thread Bill
James Stroud wrote: > Frankly, I can't watch Shakespeare or movies like "the full monty" or > "trainspotting" because I can't understand a damn word they say. British talk > sounds like gibberish to me for the most part. Have you had your hearing checked recently? Seriously. I have a hearing defec

Re: When someone from Britain speaks, Americans hear a "British accent"...

2005-06-30 Thread George Sakkis
"Tom Anderson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > if it hadn't been for the quirks of the Cockney accent, we'd all be using > curly > brackets and semicolons. +1 QOTW George -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

Re: When someone from Britain speaks, Americans hear a "British accent"...

2005-06-30 Thread Mark Lawrence
muldoon wrote: > Americans consider having a "British accent" a sign of sophistication > and high intelligence. Many companies hire salespersons from Britain to > represent their products,etc. Question: When the British hear an > "American accent," does it sound unsophisticated and dumb? > > Be b

Re: When someone from Britain speaks, Americans hear a "British accent"...

2005-06-30 Thread Tom Anderson
On Wed, 29 Jun 2005, Michael Hoffman wrote: > Steven D'Aprano wrote: > >> Herb starts with H, not E. It isn't "ouse" or "ospital" or "istory". It >> isn't "erb" either. You just sound like tossers when you try to >> pronounce herb in the original French. Yes, i find this insanely irritating. >

Re: When someone from Britain speaks, Americans hear a "British accent"...

2005-06-30 Thread Tom Anderson
On Thu, 30 Jun 2005, Simon Brunning wrote: > On 29 Jun 2005 15:34:11 -0700, Luis M. Gonzalez <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> What's exactly the "cockney" accent? Is it related to some place or >> it's just a kind of slang? > > The cockney accent used to be pretty distinct, but these days it's >

Re: When someone from Britain speaks, Americans hear a "British accent"...

2005-06-30 Thread Tom Anderson
On Thu, 30 Jun 2005, Benji York wrote: > python-needs-more-duct-tape'ly yours, You're in luck: Python 3000 will replace duck typing with duct taping. tom -- I know you wanna try and get away, but it's the hardest thing you'll ever know -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

Re: When someone from Britain speaks, Americans hear a "British accent"...

2005-06-30 Thread Grant Edwards
On 2005-06-30, Luis M. Gonzalez <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Well, yes, it is kinda off topic, but very interesting... > Being myself an argentine with spanish as mother tongue and a > very bad English, it's hard foro me to tell the difference > between accents. I can hardly tell an Irish from an

Re: When someone from Britain speaks, Americans hear a "British accent"...

2005-06-30 Thread Benji York
Graham Fawcett wrote: > keep-your-stick-on-the-ice'ly yours, Is that a Red Green reference? Man, I didn't think this could get any more off-topic. :) python-needs-more-duct-tape'ly yours, Benji -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

Re: When someone from Britain speaks, Americans hear a "British accent"...

2005-06-30 Thread Graham Fawcett
Steven D'Aprano wrote: > Speaking as an Australia, ... > [snip] > But don't worry, there is one thing we all agree on throughout the > English-speaking world: you Americans don't speak English. And lest you feel Steven's observation don't bear much weight, keep in mind that he is speaking as an en

Re: When someone from Britain speaks, Americans hear a "British accent"...

2005-06-30 Thread Luis M. Gonzalez
From: "Simon Brunning" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Luis M. Gonzalez" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Cc: Sent: Thursday, June 30, 2005 5:20 AM Subject: Re: When someone from Britain speaks, Americans hear a "British accent"... On 29 Jun 2005 15:34:11 -0700, Luis M. Gonza

Re: When someone from Britain speaks, Americans hear a "British accent"...

2005-06-30 Thread Simon Brunning
On 29 Jun 2005 15:34:11 -0700, Luis M. Gonzalez <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > What's exactly the "cockney" accent? > Is it related to some place or it's just a kind of slang? A cockney is a *real* Londoner, that is, someone born within the City of London, a.k.a The Square Mile. More specifically, i

Re: When someone from Britain speaks, Americans hear a "British accent"...

2005-06-29 Thread Gafoor
Steven D'Aprano wrote: > But don't worry, there is one thing we all agree on throughout the > English-speaking world: you Americans don't speak English. > > There are a few things that you can do to help: > > Herb starts with H, not E. It isn't "ouse" or "ospital" or "istory". > It isn't "erb" eith

Re: When someone from Britain speaks, Americans hear a "British accent"...

2005-06-29 Thread Grant Edwards
On 2005-06-29, Luis M. Gonzalez <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Grant Edwards wrote: >> That depends on the accent. I believe that's probably true for >> the educated south of England, BBC, received pronunciation. I >> don't think that's true for some of the other dialects from >> northern areas (e.

Re: When someone from Britain speaks, Americans hear a "British accent"...

2005-06-29 Thread Brian
Steven, Very well written... I enjoyed reading your post! Brian --- Steven D'Aprano wrote: > On Tue, 28 Jun 2005 11:27:40 -0700, muldoon wrote: > > >>Americans consider having a "British accent" a sign of sophistication >>and high intelligence. Many companies hire salespersons from Britain t

Re: When someone from Britain speaks, Americans hear a "British accent"...

2005-06-29 Thread Luis M. Gonzalez
Grant Edwards wrote: > That depends on the accent. I believe that's probably true for > the educated south of England, BBC, received pronunciation. I > don't think that's true for some of the other dialects from > northern areas (e.g. Liverpool) or the "cockney" accent. What's exactly the "cockn

Re: When someone from Britain speaks, Americans hear a "British accent"...

2005-06-29 Thread Tim Churches
muldoon wrote: > Americans consider having a "British accent" a sign of sophistication > and high intelligence. Many companies hire salespersons from Britain to > represent their products,etc. Question: When the British hear an > "American accent," does it sound unsophisticated and dumb? > > Be bl

Re: When someone from Britain speaks, Americans hear a "British accent"...

2005-06-29 Thread Michael Hoffman
Steven D'Aprano wrote: > Herb starts with H, not E. It isn't "ouse" or "ospital" or "istory". It > isn't "erb" either. You just sound like tossers when you try to pronounce > herb in the original French. And the same with homage. Strangely enough there are Brits who pronounce "hotel" without an H

Re: When someone from Britain speaks, Americans hear a "British accent"...

2005-06-29 Thread Alan Kennedy
[Mike Holmans] > Some of those sonorous slow talkers from the South, and majestic bass > African-Americans like James Earl Jones or Morgan Freeman, have far > more gravitas than any English accent can: to us, such people sound > monumental. On a related note, have you ever seen any of the original

Re: When someone from Britain speaks, Americans hear a "British accent"...

2005-06-29 Thread Dan Sommers
On Wed, 29 Jun 2005 03:14:26 -, Grant Edwards <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On 2005-06-28, James Stroud <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> I think James Bond did it for Americans. He always wore a >> dinner jacket and played a lot of backarack--which is only >> cool because you have to bet a lot of

Re: When someone from Britain speaks, Americans hear a "British accent"...

2005-06-29 Thread Steven D'Aprano
On Tue, 28 Jun 2005 11:27:40 -0700, muldoon wrote: > Americans consider having a "British accent" a sign of sophistication > and high intelligence. Many companies hire salespersons from Britain to > represent their products,etc. Question: When the British hear an > "American accent," does it sound

RE: When someone from Britain speaks, Americans hear a "British accent"...

2005-06-29 Thread Tim Golden
[A.M. Kuchling] | I think that backwoods American speech is more archaic, and | therefore is possibly closer to historical European speech. | Susan Cooper uses this as a minor plot point in her juvenile | novel "King of Shadows", which is about a 20th-century | Southern kid who goes back to El

Re: When someone from Britain speaks, Americans hear a "British accent"...

2005-06-29 Thread A.M. Kuchling
On Wed, 29 Jun 2005 03:14:26 -, Grant Edwards <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> cool because you have to bet a lot of money. Anyway, if you >> insist on making distinctions between the backwoods of >> apalachia and european aristocracy, > > What, you think they sound the same? I think tha

Re: When someone from Britain speaks, Americans hear a "British accent"...

2005-06-29 Thread Peter Maas
muldoon schrieb: >Now, what forum would you recommend? Any help would be appreciated. alt.culture.us.* -- --- Peter Maas, M+R Infosysteme, D-52070 Aachen, Tel +49-241-93878-0 E-mail 'cGV0ZXIubWFhc0BtcGx1c3IuZGU=\n'.decode('ba

Re: When someone from Britain speaks, Americans hear a "British accent"...

2005-06-28 Thread Peter Hansen
Jarek Zgoda wrote: > Grant Edwards napisał(a): > >>> To be blunt, I have no idea what this has to do with Python. >> >> >> Monty Python was mostly Brits? > > > Wasn't they all Brits? I think one was a lumberjack (but he's okay), which would make him a Canadian, eh? -- http://mail.python.org/ma

Re: When someone from Britain speaks, Americans hear a "British accent"...

2005-06-28 Thread Grant Edwards
On 2005-06-29, Erik Max Francis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> The problem which a lot of fairly-midstream American accent users face >> is that it's the same sort of thing which Brits try and imitate when >> they want to suggest a snake-oil salesman. > > And due to overcorrection, typically do a r

Re: When someone from Britain speaks, Americans hear a "British accent"...

2005-06-28 Thread Grant Edwards
On 2005-06-28, James Stroud <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I think James Bond did it for Americans. He always wore a > dinner jacket and played a lot of backarack--which is only > cool because you have to bet a lot of money. Anyway, if you > insist on making distinctions between the backwoods of > a

Re: When someone from Britain speaks, Americans hear a "British accent"...

2005-06-28 Thread Erik Max Francis
Mike Holmans wrote: > My wife's an Okie, but she speaks the US equivalent of RP - the one > used by newsreaders on the main terrestrial TV networks and which is > commonly thought to be used mostly in Ohio and other places just south > of the Great Lakes. If there's such a thing as a standard "Ame

Re: When someone from Britain speaks, Americans hear a "British accent"...

2005-06-28 Thread Grant Edwards
On 2005-06-28, Jarek Zgoda <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Grant Edwards napisa³(a): > >To be blunt, I have no idea what this has to do with Python. Monty Python was mostly Brits? >>> >>>Wasn't they all Brits? >> >> Nope. Terry Gilliam was from Minneapolis. > > Are you sure there are no Brit

Re: When someone from Britain speaks, Americans hear a "British accent"...

2005-06-28 Thread James Stroud
Frankly, I can't watch Shakespeare or movies like "the full monty" or "trainspotting" because I can't understand a damn word they say. British talk sounds like gibberish to me for the most part. Out of all of these movies, the only thing I ever could understand was something like "I've got the b

Re: When someone from Britain speaks, Americans hear a "British accent"...

2005-06-28 Thread c d saunter
Michael Hoffman ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: : muldoon wrote: : > Americans consider having a "British accent" a sign of sophistication : > and high intelligence. Many companies hire salespersons from Britain to : > represent their products,etc. Question: When the British hear an : > "American accent

Re: When someone from Britain speaks, Americans hear a "British accent"...

2005-06-28 Thread Michael Hoffman
muldoon wrote: > Michael Hoffman wrote: >>muldoon wrote: >> >>>Americans consider having a "British accent" a sign of sophistication >>>and high intelligence. Many companies hire salespersons from Britain to >>>represent their products,etc. Question: When the British hear an >>>"American accent," d

Re: When someone from Britain speaks, Americans hear a "British accent"...

2005-06-28 Thread Jarek Zgoda
Grant Edwards napisał(a): To be blunt, I have no idea what this has to do with Python. >>>Monty Python was mostly Brits? >> >>Wasn't they all Brits? > > Nope. Terry Gilliam was from Minneapolis. Are you sure there are no Brits in Minneapolis? -- Jarek Zgoda http://jpa.berlios.de/ -- http

Re: When someone from Britain speaks, Americans hear a "British accent"...

2005-06-28 Thread Mike Holmans
On Tue, 28 Jun 2005 19:23:11 -, Grant Edwards <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> tapped the keyboard and brought forth: >On 2005-06-28, muldoon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> Americans consider having a "British accent" a sign of sophistication >> and high intelligence. > >That depends on the accent. I bel

Re: When someone from Britain speaks, Americans hear a "British accent"...

2005-06-28 Thread Grant Edwards
On 2005-06-28, Devan L <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Thats like posting about Google here because the newsgroup is hosted on > Google. Except the newsgroup isn't "hosted on Google", and it's far less interesting than Monty Python. -- Grant Edwards grante Yow! "THE

Re: When someone from Britain speaks, Americans hear a "British accent"...

2005-06-28 Thread Robert Kern
muldoon wrote: >Now, what forum would you recommend? Any help would be appreciated. Not here. Beyond that, you're on your own. -- Robert Kern [EMAIL PROTECTED] "In the fields of hell where the grass grows high Are the graves of dreams allowed to die." -- Richard Harter -- http://mai

Re: When someone from Britain speaks, Americans hear a "British accent"...

2005-06-28 Thread Grant Edwards
On 2005-06-28, Jarek Zgoda <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Grant Edwards napisa³(a): > >>>To be blunt, I have no idea what this has to do with Python. >> >> Monty Python was mostly Brits? > > Wasn't they all Brits? Nope. Terry Gilliam was from Minneapolis. -- Grant Edwards grant

Re: When someone from Britain speaks, Americans hear a "British accent"...

2005-06-28 Thread muldoon
Michael Hoffman wrote: > muldoon wrote: > > Americans consider having a "British accent" a sign of sophistication > > and high intelligence. Many companies hire salespersons from Britain to > > represent their products,etc. Question: When the British hear an > > "American accent," does it sound un

Re: When someone from Britain speaks, Americans hear a "British accent"...

2005-06-28 Thread Devan L
Thats like posting about Google here because the newsgroup is hosted on Google. -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

Re: When someone from Britain speaks, Americans hear a "British accent"...

2005-06-28 Thread Jarek Zgoda
Grant Edwards napisał(a): >>To be blunt, I have no idea what this has to do with Python. > > Monty Python was mostly Brits? Wasn't they all Brits? -- Jarek Zgoda http://jpa.berlios.de/ -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

Re: When someone from Britain speaks, Americans hear a "British accent"...

2005-06-28 Thread Grant Edwards
On 2005-06-28, Michael Hoffman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > muldoon wrote: >> Americans consider having a "British accent" a sign of sophistication >> and high intelligence. Many companies hire salespersons from Britain to >> represent their products,etc. Question: When the British hear an >> "Amer

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