Gregory Ewing wrote, on Thursday, June 01, 2017 1:15 AM
>
> Deborah Swanson wrote:
> > I have already offered to do whatever you would like me to
> do on this
> > system
>
> If you wouldn't mind, I'd like to see the output from this command:
>
> python -m ensurepip
>
> --
> Greg
The res
Gregory Ewing wrote, on Thursday, June 01, 2017 1:12 AM
>
> Deborah Swanson wrote:
> > Why do you care so deeply what pip does on an operating
> system that is
> > no longer supported?
>
> Being pipless is a sufficiently distressing fate that we'd
> like to help, even if you didn't explicitly r
Gregory Ewing wrote, on Thursday, June 01, 2017 12:59 AM
>
> Deborah Swanson wrote:
> > I got one suggestion that I could just copy the files to "the
> > appropriate directories",
>
> That was me, but I've just had a look at the source, and it
> seems the core functionality is implemented in C,
Deborah Swanson wrote:
I have already offered to do whatever you would like me to do on this
system
If you wouldn't mind, I'd like to see the output from this command:
python -m ensurepip
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Deborah Swanson wrote:
Why do you care so deeply what pip does on an operating system that is
no longer supported?
Being pipless is a sufficiently distressing fate that we'd
like to help, even if you didn't explicitly request it.
Particularly since it seems like such an unnecessary one,
becaus
Deborah Swanson wrote:
I got one suggestion that I could just copy the files to "the appropriate
directories",
That was me, but I've just had a look at the source, and it
seems the core functionality is implemented in C, so scrub
that idea.
But all is not lost. I've found this:
https://pypi.p
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Python-list
> > Sent: Tuesday, May 30, 2017 5:06 PM
> > To: python-list
> > Subject: Re: How to install Python package from source on Windows
> >
> > On Tuesday, May 30, 2017 at 11:32:46 PM UTC+1, Deborah Swanson
> source, which was my original question.
>
> Deborah
>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Python-list
>> [mailto:python-list-bounces+python=deborahswanson.net@python.o rg] On
>> Behalf Of breamore...@gmail.com Sent: Tuesday, May 30, 2017 5:06 PM To:
>> python
On Wed, May 31, 2017 at 2:42 PM, Deborah Swanson
wrote:
> So good job. Are you proud of the mess you've made?
>
I would have plonked you ages ago, but the fireworks have been too
much fun to watch.
ChrisA
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> rg] On Behalf Of breamore...@gmail.com
> Sent: Tuesday, May 30, 2017 5:06 PM
> To: python-list@python.org
> Subject: Re: How to install Python package from source on Windows
>
>
> On Tuesday, May 30, 2017 at 11
On Tuesday, May 30, 2017 at 11:32:46 PM UTC+1, Deborah Swanson wrote:
> I really don't get it how all of you have latched onto this idea that I
> said pip tried to install Visual Studio. I said it happened when I tried
> to upgrade pip, and I agreed with someone else who wondered if it might
> have
On 2017-05-30 23:04, Deborah Swanson wrote:
I never said it was pip's fault, so there's nothing for you to accept my
word on. It could easily have been something that Anaconda3 did in the
process of upgrading pip.
But you're just trying drag this on as long as possible by manufacturing
an argume
I really don't get it how all of you have latched onto this idea that I
said pip tried to install Visual Studio. I said it happened when I tried
to upgrade pip, and I agreed with someone else who wondered if it might
have been Anaconda3 that did it.
May I remind you that I wasn't the one to reigni
I never said it was pip's fault, so there's nothing for you to accept my
word on. It could easily have been something that Anaconda3 did in the
process of upgrading pip.
But you're just trying drag this on as long as possible by manufacturing
an argument where there is none.
> -Original Messa
On 30 May 2017 at 21:27, Deborah Swanson wrote:
> I have already offered to do whatever you would like me to do on this
> system - after I'm up and running on Linux. I need a functioning PyCharm
> on this system until that happens.
OK. I'm not sure I care enough to remind you, but if you want to
On Wed, May 31, 2017 at 6:27 AM, Deborah Swanson
wrote:
> Please accept my word that the attempt to upgrade pip broke when it
> tried to install Visual Studio 2015, and I wouldn't even have known to
> say that's what happened if I hadn't seen it in the traceback. Quite
> possibly it wasn't suppose
you think we disagree on.
Deborah
> -Original Message-
> From: Paul Moore [mailto:p.f.mo...@gmail.com]
> Sent: Tuesday, May 30, 2017 12:57 PM
> To: pyt...@deborahswanson.net
> Cc: python-list@python.org
> Subject: Re: How to install Python package from source on Win
On 30 May 2017 at 20:15, Deborah Swanson wrote:
> Why do you care so deeply what pip does on an operating system that is
> no longer supported?
Sigh. I guess we just have to agree to differ.
> And I'm sorry you're upset that pip is not behaving as expected, but
> please remember that this happen
Why do you care so deeply what pip does on an operating system that is
no longer supported?
Anaconda3 Python 3.4.3 just barely installed on XP SP2, and it's given
me nothing but trouble since. I don't need any help with it.
As for my original question about installing recordclass from source, I
g
On 30 May 2017 at 16:56, Deborah Swanson wrote:
> I'm sorry people on the list somehow got the idea I was asking for help
> with this. Originally I only asked how to build recordclass from source,
> and apparently I made the mistake of chiming in with my experiences with
> Anaconda3, Python 3.4.3,
On 30/05/2017 18:46, Deborah Swanson wrote:
My strong suspicion is that the reason I'm actually seeing
failed attempts to install Visual C++ and Visual Studio 2015
while none of you others are seeing any use of Visual
C++/Studio is because it shows up in my tracebacks when it
fails. In an XP SP3
> -Original Message-
> From: Deborah Swanson [mailto:pyt...@deborahswanson.net]
> Sent: Tuesday, May 30, 2017 8:57 AM
> To: 'Paul Moore'
> Subject: RE: How to install Python package from source on Windows
>
>
> I'm sorry people on the list someho
On Thursday, 25 May 2017 22:32:56 UTC+1, Deborah Swanson wrote:
> This is my last reply on this thread to anything to do with XP SP2
> (observations in XP SP3 do not apply) or Visual Studio. I've answered
> all of the questions, some of them multiple times. Please reread the
> thread if you have m
Deborah Swanson wrote:
Since none of you have XP SP2 with Anaconda3 Python 3.4.3, to either
confirm or deny my results, and I no longer have the message with the
traceback showing what happened, nothing anybody says at this point
matters wrt to what happens in XP SP2.
Have you posted a transcri
On 05/25/2017 07:58 PM, Chris Angelico wrote:
> On Fri, May 26, 2017 at 11:28 AM, Deborah Swanson
> wrote:
>> Since none of you have XP SP2 with Anaconda3 Python 3.4.3, to either
>> confirm or deny my results, and I no longer have the message with the
>> traceback showing what happened, nothing an
On 2017-05-26 02:59, Michael Torrie wrote:
On 05/25/2017 04:37 PM, Deborah Swanson wrote:
Here's a question: does Anaconda have a special build of Python, or is
it a standard Python bundled with extra stuff?
I'm not sure, and it's an excellent question. Anaconda stopped
installing Python on
On 05/25/2017 04:37 PM, Deborah Swanson wrote:
>> Here's a question: does Anaconda have a special build of Python, or is
>
>> it a standard Python bundled with extra stuff?
>
> I'm not sure, and it's an excellent question. Anaconda stopped
> installing Python on XP at 3.4.3. python.org doesn't i
On Fri, May 26, 2017 at 11:28 AM, Deborah Swanson
wrote:
> Since none of you have XP SP2 with Anaconda3 Python 3.4.3, to either
> confirm or deny my results, and I no longer have the message with the
> traceback showing what happened, nothing anybody says at this point
> matters wrt to what happen
Since none of you have XP SP2 with Anaconda3 Python 3.4.3, to either
confirm or deny my results, and I no longer have the message with the
traceback showing what happened, nothing anybody says at this point
matters wrt to what happens in XP SP2.
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On Friday, May 26, 2017 at 12:11:41 AM UTC+1, Deborah Swanson wrote:
> breamoreboy wrote, on Thursday, May 25, 2017 3:23 PM
> >
> > On Thursday, May 25, 2017 at 10:32:56 PM UTC+1, Deborah Swanson wrote:
> > > > Michael Torrie wrote, on Thursday, May 25, 2017 1:57 PM
> > > > > I didn't see a traceb
On Thu, May 25, 2017 at 11:11 PM, Deborah Swanson
wrote:
> Unfortunately I deleted that message and now I no longer have a pip
You still have ensurepip to be able to install and upgrade pip:
python -m ensurepip --verbose --default-pip
python -m pip install --upgrade pip
Or use get-pip.p
On 2017-05-26 00:11, Deborah Swanson wrote:
breamore...@gmail.com wrote, on Thursday, May 25, 2017 3:23 PM
On Thursday, May 25, 2017 at 10:32:56 PM UTC+1, Deborah Swanson wrote:
> > Michael Torrie wrote, on Thursday, May 25, 2017 1:57 PM
> > > I didn't see a traceback where you tried to upgrade
breamore...@gmail.com wrote, on Thursday, May 25, 2017 3:23 PM
>
> On Thursday, May 25, 2017 at 10:32:56 PM UTC+1, Deborah Swanson wrote:
> > > Michael Torrie wrote, on Thursday, May 25, 2017 1:57 PM
> > > > I didn't see a traceback where you tried to upgrade pip
> to 9.0.1.
> >
> > It's a long
MRAB wrote, on Thursday, May 25, 2017 2:46 PM
>
> On 2017-05-25 21:24, Chris Angelico wrote:
> > On Fri, May 26, 2017 at 6:16 AM, Deborah Swanson
> > wrote:
> >>> Anyway I can confirm that VS is not required for installing and
> >>> using pip on XP, nor is it required for recordclass, since it'
On Thursday, May 25, 2017 at 10:32:56 PM UTC+1, Deborah Swanson wrote:
> > Michael Torrie wrote, on Thursday, May 25, 2017 1:57 PM
> > > I didn't see a traceback where you tried to upgrade pip to
> > > 9.0.1.
>
> It's a long thread. You just didn't find it.
>
You've never attempted to upgrade
On 2017-05-25 21:24, Chris Angelico wrote:
On Fri, May 26, 2017 at 6:16 AM, Deborah Swanson
wrote:
Anyway I can confirm that VS is not required for installing
and using pip on XP, nor is it required for recordclass,
since it's available in wheel form.
See my tracebacks earlier in this thread.
> Michael Torrie wrote, on Thursday, May 25, 2017 1:57 PM
> > I didn't see a traceback where you tried to upgrade pip to
> > 9.0.1.
It's a long thread. You just didn't find it.
This is my last reply on this thread to anything to do with XP SP2
(observations in XP SP3 do not apply) or Visual Stu
Michael Torrie wrote, on Thursday, May 25, 2017 1:57 PM
>
> On 05/25/2017 02:16 PM, Deborah Swanson wrote:
> >> I just fired up my Windows XP SP3 virtual machine, which has
> >> no development tools whatsoever on it (no VS, nothing). I
> >> installed 32-bit Python 3.4 from the official python.org
On 2017-05-25 21:24, Chris Angelico wrote:
On Fri, May 26, 2017 at 6:16 AM, Deborah Swanson
wrote:
Anyway I can confirm that VS is not required for installing
and using pip on XP, nor is it required for recordclass,
since it's available in wheel form.
See my tracebacks earlier in this thread.
On 05/25/2017 02:16 PM, Deborah Swanson wrote:
>> I just fired up my Windows XP SP3 virtual machine, which has
>> no development tools whatsoever on it (no VS, nothing). I
>> installed 32-bit Python 3.4 from the official python.org
>> download. Then I did the pip
>> upgrade:
>
> Yes XP SP3 can
On Fri, May 26, 2017 at 6:16 AM, Deborah Swanson
wrote:
>> Anyway I can confirm that VS is not required for installing
>> and using pip on XP, nor is it required for recordclass,
>> since it's available in wheel form.
>
> See my tracebacks earlier in this thread. You confirmed that it works in
> X
Michael Torrie wrote, on Thursday, May 25, 2017 12:12 PM
>
> On 05/25/2017 10:09 AM, Deborah Swanson wrote:
> > Could be, maybe it's something they do for every
> installation, whether
> > it will use it or not. But it always breaks when it can't install
> > Visual Studio. Upgrade pip does run
On 05/25/2017 10:09 AM, Deborah Swanson wrote:
> Could be, maybe it's something they do for every installation, whether
> it will use it or not. But it always breaks when it can't install Visual
> Studio. Upgrade pip does run and it works up to that point. It gets as
> far as uninstalling the old p
On Thu, May 25, 2017 at 4:09 PM, Deborah Swanson
wrote:
> Could be, maybe it's something they do for every installation, whether
> it will use it or not. But it always breaks when it can't install Visual
> Studio. Upgrade pip does run and it works up to that point. It gets as
> far as uninstalling
Chris Angelico wrote, on Thursday, May 25, 2017 12:47 AM
>
> On Thu, May 25, 2017 at 4:57 PM, Deborah Swanson
> wrote:
> > Oh, what bliss it must be to run on a system that hasn't
> been declared
> > a pariah by everyone and his dog. (But yet it covers all
> the essential
> > bases quite nic
On Thu, May 25, 2017 at 4:57 PM, Deborah Swanson
wrote:
> Oh, what bliss it must be to run on a system that hasn't been declared a
> pariah by everyone and his dog. (But yet it covers all the essential
> bases quite nicely.)
>
> I tried ensurepip, but it also wants to install a recent version of
>
Gregory Ewing wrote, on Wednesday, May 24, 2017 10:58 PM
>
> Deborah Swanson wrote:
>
> > So now I'm pipless.
>
> You should be able to get it back using
>
> python -m ensurepip
>
> BTW, I don't know why upgrading pip would fail due to lack of
> Visual Studio. That shouldn't be able to ha
Deborah Swanson wrote:
So now I'm pipless.
You should be able to get it back using
python -m ensurepip
BTW, I don't know why upgrading pip would fail due to lack of
Visual Studio. That shouldn't be able to happen, because pip
is pure Python.
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On Thu, May 25, 2017 at 2:20 PM, Deborah Swanson
wrote:
>> For packages that don't have wheels available on PyPI, you
>> can often find an unofficial build on Christoph Gohlke's site
>> [1]. He still builds and distributes wheels for Python 3.4,
>> but I don't know for how much longer.
>>
>> [1]:
eryk sun wrote, on Wednesday, May 24, 2017 6:32 PM
>
> On Thu, May 25, 2017 at 12:18 AM, Deborah Swanson
> wrote:
> >
> > When I tried to upgrade pip it failed because it could neither find
> > nor install Visual Studio 2015.
>
> Installing and upgrading pip does not require a C compiler.
>
On Thu, May 25, 2017 at 12:18 AM, Deborah Swanson
wrote:
>
> When I tried to upgrade pip it failed because it could neither
> find nor install Visual Studio 2015.
Installing and upgrading pip does not require a C compiler.
> So now I'm pipless. Read the thread if you want to know why I don't hav
Paul Moore wrote, on Wednesday, May 24, 2017 5:53 AM
> On Monday, 15 May 2017 22:42:22 UTC+1, Deborah Swanson wrote:
> > MRAB wrote, on Monday, May 15, 2017 12:44 PM
> > >
> > > On 2017-05-15 13:52, eryk sun wrote:
> > > > On Mon, May 15, 2017 at 6:37 AM, Deborah Swanson
> > > > wrote:
> > > >>
On Monday, 15 May 2017 22:42:22 UTC+1, Deborah Swanson wrote:
> MRAB wrote, on Monday, May 15, 2017 12:44 PM
> >
> > On 2017-05-15 13:52, eryk sun wrote:
> > > On Mon, May 15, 2017 at 6:37 AM, Deborah Swanson
> > > wrote:
> > >>
> > >> Where did you find recordclass-0.4.3-cp34-cp34m-win32.whl?
On Sun, May 21, 2017 at 5:40 PM, bartc wrote:
> I think it was YOU that got me wasting time downloading that VS2015
> solution, all 1MB of it [download size; unknown installation size],
Visual Studio installs a multi-architecture (x86, x64, arm, arm64)
build environment for native and managed
On Mon, May 22, 2017 at 4:17 PM, Gregory Ewing
wrote:
>> (The GMP library, for example, has no official binary releases. You have
>> to build from source,
>
>
> So using it on Windows isn't supported very well. This is
> in contrast to Python, for which a pretty comprehensive set
> of Windows bina
Gregory Ewing writes:
> Jussi Piitulainen wrote:
>> I was surprised that Git (or GitHub Desktop) simply failed so badly.
>> Not sure what it could have done instead.
>
> It's not really git's fault, it's a consequence of differing
> filename conventions on different platforms. The only way to
I u
bartc wrote:
The 'one-file' idea is one approach to simplifying the building of
open-source applications. Probably, it's more suited to those who just
want to try out, or use, a bit of software.
But on Windows, that use case is normally covered by installing
a *binary*, not compiling from sour
On 22/05/2017 01:17, Gregory Ewing wrote:
I think what Bart is saying is that the Python developers should
provide an amalgamated source file that's pre-configured for
Windows, so that someone who wants to compile on Windows doesn't
have to deal with all the complexities of the general build
syst
On 22/05/2017 01:07, Gregory Ewing wrote:
is not easy, but nobody should *need* to do that unless they're
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I think what Bart is saying is that the Python developers should
provide an amalgamated source file that's pre-configured for
Windows, so that someone who wants to compile on Windows doesn't
have to deal with all the complexities of the general build
system.
While that might be possible, I don't
On 21/05/2017 21:46, Chris Angelico wrote:
On Mon, May 22, 2017 at 5:32 AM, bartc wrote:
Why are you so afraid of
multiple source files?
[When other people build your app from sources]
Because then they are likely to need automation to deal with it. And
that introduces an extra dependency
bartc wrote:
I don't consider the CPython bundle that portable because it really
demands that it be built under Linux. There is (now) a grudging
concession for Windows, but that solution wasn't satisfactory when I
tried it.
We already know that building Python from source on Windows
is not ea
Jussi Piitulainen wrote:
I was surprised that Git (or GitHub Desktop) simply failed so badly.
Not sure what it could have done instead.
It's not really git's fault, it's a consequence of differing
filename conventions on different platforms. The only way to
avoid such problems is to refrain fro
On Mon, May 22, 2017 at 5:32 AM, bartc wrote:
> On 21/05/2017 16:21, Chris Angelico wrote:
>>
>> On Mon, May 22, 2017 at 12:58 AM, bartc wrote:
>>>
>>> On 21/05/2017 12:06, Chris Angelico wrote:
>
>
>>> Explain why ALL these drivers, including the one I've just created, need
>>> to
>>> be part of
On 21/05/2017 16:21, Chris Angelico wrote:
On Mon, May 22, 2017 at 12:58 AM, bartc wrote:
On 21/05/2017 12:06, Chris Angelico wrote:
Explain why ALL these drivers, including the one I've just created, need to
be part of the common source code for the OS.
I don't know. YOU are the one who s
On 21/05/2017 17:51, breamore...@gmail.com wrote:
On Saturday, May 20, 2017 at 10:56:17 PM UTC+1, bartc wrote:
I am still also sticking with the belief that you know about as much
about programming as the RUE knows about unicode. What major projects
have you worked on? Actually what have you
On Mon, May 22, 2017 at 12:58 AM, bartc wrote:
> On 21/05/2017 12:06, Chris Angelico wrote:
>>
>> On Sun, May 21, 2017 at 8:23 PM, bartc wrote:
>
>
>>> (If you imagine a future where the number of targets has increased a
>>> hundred-fold (or we colonise the galaxy and there are a million possible
On 21/05/2017 12:06, Chris Angelico wrote:
On Sun, May 21, 2017 at 8:23 PM, bartc wrote:
(If you imagine a future where the number of targets has increased a
hundred-fold (or we colonise the galaxy and there are a million possible
targets), then it might become clearer that the approach used
On Sun, May 21, 2017 at 11:33 PM, Jussi Piitulainen
wrote:
> I was surprised that it didn't notice and report that things went wrong
> while it was creating the clone that it was unable to handle afterwards.
> It apparently created an inconsistent index and thought everything was
> fine at that po
Chris Angelico writes:
> On Sun, May 21, 2017 at 9:43 PM, Jussi Piitulainen wrote:
>> It happened to me recently when cloning a git repository from GitHub,
>> using GitHub Desktop, to a Mac OS file system. Some filenames differed
>> only in case, like "INFO" and "info" in the same directory. Mac O
On Sun, May 21, 2017 at 9:43 PM, Jussi Piitulainen
wrote:
> It happened to me recently when cloning a git repository from GitHub,
> using GitHub Desktop, to a Mac OS file system. Some filenames differed
> only in case, like "INFO" and "info" in the same directory. Mac OS
> considered them the same
Chris Angelico writes:
> On Sun, May 21, 2017 at 8:23 PM, bartc wrote:
>> On 20/05/2017 19:37, Chris Angelico wrote:
>>
>>> rosuav@sikorsky:~/linux$ find -name \*.c -or -name \*.h | wc -l
>>> 44546
>>>
>>> These repositories, by the way, correspond to git URLs
>>> https://github.com/python/cpython
Am 21.05.17 um 12:23 schrieb bartc:
On 20/05/2017 19:37, Chris Angelico wrote:
rosuav@sikorsky:~/linux$ find -name \*.c -or -name \*.h | wc -l
44546
These repositories, by the way, correspond to git URLs
https://github.com/python/cpython,
git://pike-git.lysator.liu.se/pike.git,
git://source.wi
On Sun, May 21, 2017 at 8:23 PM, bartc wrote:
> On 20/05/2017 19:37, Chris Angelico wrote:
>
>> rosuav@sikorsky:~/linux$ find -name \*.c -or -name \*.h | wc -l
>> 44546
>>
>> These repositories, by the way, correspond to git URLs
>> https://github.com/python/cpython,
>> git://pike-git.lysator.liu.
On 20/05/2017 19:37, Chris Angelico wrote:
rosuav@sikorsky:~/linux$ find -name \*.c -or -name \*.h | wc -l
44546
These repositories, by the way, correspond to git URLs
https://github.com/python/cpython,
git://pike-git.lysator.liu.se/pike.git,
git://source.winehq.org/git/wine, and
https://github
On 05/20/2017 03:56 PM, bartc wrote:
> BTW /does/ Linux compile on /any/ modern compiler? I heard it was so
> difficult to compile that gcc had to be specially modified to make it
> possible.
The kernel compiles with recent bog standard gcc compilers just fine.
The last time there was an issue w
On Sat, May 20, 2017 at 5:56 PM, bartc wrote:
> I would say there are two types of people: those who care about the answer,
> and those who don't.
I say there are 10 types of people in this world. Those who understand
binary and those who don’t.
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On 20/05/2017 19:37, Chris Angelico wrote:
On Sun, May 21, 2017 at 4:11 AM, bartc wrote:
(Which is exactly what I strive to do. Although my projects are small, they
could still involve dozens of source and support files, and require running
non-standard tools to build, which would then requir
On Sun, 21 May 2017 04:11 am, bartc wrote:
> You've reduced
> the job of building a set of kitchen units to hammering in just one
> nail
"Where's the fridge go?"
"You don't need a fridge. Just put things outside, in the snow. When it
snows."
"Okay, how do I install a gas oven?"
"Sorry, you can
On Sun, May 21, 2017 at 4:11 AM, bartc wrote:
> On 20/05/2017 17:49, Chris Angelico wrote:
>>
>> On Sat, May 20, 2017 at 8:46 AM, Viktor Hagström
>> wrote:
>>>
>>> I have followed this discussion since the beginning, and I have been
>>> intrigued. I recently read a relevant blog post that I'd lik
On 20/05/2017 17:49, Chris Angelico wrote:
On Sat, May 20, 2017 at 8:46 AM, Viktor Hagström
wrote:
I have followed this discussion since the beginning, and I have been intrigued.
I recently read a relevant blog post that I'd like to share. It has arguments
for both sides: http://nullprogram.c
On Sat, May 20, 2017 at 8:46 AM, Viktor Hagström
wrote:
> I have followed this discussion since the beginning, and I have been
> intrigued. I recently read a relevant blog post that I'd like to share. It
> has arguments for both sides: http://nullprogram.com/blog/2017/03/30/.
>
"""
There’s a mu
On Friday, May 19, 2017 at 1:41:02 AM UTC+1, Michael Torrie wrote:
> On 05/18/2017 05:15 PM, Steve D'Aprano wrote:
> > Oh but this is Bart we're talking about. Of course his code generator is
> > perfect, it is unthinkable that it emits incorrect code.
>
> I think we've picked on Bart enough for o
On Thursday, May 18, 2017 at 8:32:18 PM UTC+1, bartc wrote:
> On 18/05/2017 18:11, Steve D'Aprano wrote:
>
> > Seems a bit hypocritical, don't you think? Expecting people to go spelunking
> > into your undocumented mystery language source code to work out how to
> > build it from source, and then
I have followed this discussion since the beginning, and I have been intrigued.
I recently read a relevant blog post that I'd like to share. It has arguments
for both sides: http://nullprogram.com/blog/2017/03/30/.
2017-05-20 0:01 GMT+02:00 eryk sun
mailto:eryk...@gmail.com>>:
On Fri, May 19, 2
Steve D'Aprano wrote:
Or /sbin or /usr/sbin or /opt :-)
Yes, there are a few others. The point is that there is a small
number of standard places for executables, and if you have them
on your path, you're good to go.
With Visual Studio it seems things get installed somewhere
that's not on you
On Sat, 20 May 2017 10:43 am, Gregory Ewing wrote:
> bartc wrote:
[...]
>> By programmer-hostile do you mean Windows?
>
> Yes. At least it seems that way to people who are used to developing
> on unix systems. For example, your problems with not being able to
> run programs from the command line
bartc wrote:
If I delete the .a file and do make again, then it will give me a list
of object files comprising libpython3.6m.a (not sure why it needs to be
a library, rather than bundle the list of .o files with python.o).
Most of the interpreter is built as a library so that other
programs ca
bartc wrote:
Compiling a C file should be nothing at all. Especially of a known,
working program.
Writing reasonably portable C is feasible, as long as you don't
use any platform-specific system calls or libraries, don't do any
low-level bit twiddling that depends on data sizes and endianness,
Steve D'Aprano wrote:
The build process on Windows is relatively neglected
compared to Linux (but not as much as on OS X)
If it's neglected on OSX, it's doing pretty well despite that!
I built Python 3.5.1 on my 10.6 system not long ago, and it
worked flawlessly.
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bartc wrote:
Actually, I remember struggling to get even tcc installed! I think I had
to compile from source, using configure and make (and that worked, this
being Linux). But didn't know how to set it up to work from anywhere. So
CC=tcc might not work.
If it comes with a standard gnu config
On 05/19/2017 03:38 PM, bartc wrote:
> If I delete the .a file and do make again, then it will give me a list
> of object files comprising libpython3.6m.a (not sure why it needs to be
> a library, rather than bundle the list of .o files with python.o).
The reason is that the core of CPython is a
On Sat, May 20, 2017 at 9:29 AM, bartc wrote:
>> I disagree entirely. For a person who claims to have 40 years
>>programming experience I say he's completely clueless. Until such time
>> as he can show that he understands source code control, the
>> difficulties in building cross platform code a
On 19/05/2017 23:22, breamore...@gmail.com wrote:
On Friday, May 19, 2017 at 1:41:02 AM UTC+1, Michael Torrie wrote:
On 05/18/2017 05:15 PM, Steve D'Aprano wrote:
Oh but this is Bart we're talking about. Of course his code generator is
perfect, it is unthinkable that it emits incorrect code.
On Fri, May 19, 2017 at 9:18 PM, bartc wrote:
> On 19/05/2017 19:53, eryk sun wrote:
>>
>> On Fri, May 19, 2017 at 1:57 PM, bartc wrote:
>
>
>>> The 'improvement' seems to involve making things more complicated rather
>>> than less.
>
>
>> You don't need a full Visual Studio 2015 installation. Yo
On 19/05/2017 12:00, bartc wrote:
These are the binary files on my Python 3.4 system:
python.exe
pythonw.exe
DLLs/pyexpat.pyd
DLLs/python3.dll
...
So, which sources are needed to compile and link python.exe for example?
Which headers or other files need to be synthesised for them [to] be
co
On 19/05/2017 19:53, eryk sun wrote:
On Fri, May 19, 2017 at 1:57 PM, bartc wrote:
The 'improvement' seems to involve making things more complicated rather
than less.
You don't need a full Visual Studio 2015 installation. You can install
Visual C++ 2015 Build Tools [1], which includes MSBu
On Wed, May 17, 2017 at 10:49 PM, Michael Torrie wrote:
>
> In fact Python 3.6 ships with the latest version of the MSVCRT universal
> runtime.
Windows Python 3.6 is distributed with vcruntime140.dll, which is a
relatively small component of the CRT that's closely coupled to the
compiler. The Un
On Fri, May 19, 2017 at 1:57 PM, bartc wrote:
>> Yes, we acknowledge that there's much improvement needed to building
>> Python, especially on Windows.
>
> The 'improvement' seems to involve making things more complicated rather
> than less.
>
> (So I need VS2015, .NET, GIT, SVN and MSBUILD. Or ma
On 19/05/2017 12:41, Steve D'Aprano wrote:
On Fri, 19 May 2017 08:36 pm, bartc wrote:
Which gcc version? I can't get mine (5.1.0) to report any of these, even
with -Wall -Wextra -Wpedantic.
[steve@ando langs]$ gcc --version
gcc (GCC) 4.1.2 20080704 (Red Hat 4.1.2-55)
Interesting; an older
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