How I do to leave this list ?
we see a lot of these messages coming across.
did you think of a header or footer, with some text like:
--
to unsubscribe, send a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
to view the archive, take a look at: http://www.where.the/archive/is
--
most of the mailing lists
This has been beat to death. Let it die.
#
At 12:35 PM 5/29/00 , Tullio Andreatta wrote:
How I do to leave this list ?
we see a lot of these messages coming across.
did you think of a header or footer, with some text like:
--
to unsubscribe, send a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
to view the
At 5/20/2000 10:39 AM +0200, clemensF wrote or quoted:
Kai MacTane:
People who are determined to be stupid seem to be:
a) 100% capable of being stupid, no matter how easy you try to make it
for them to be smart (or at least average); and
b) 100% incapable of being convinced that
My vote: do nothing, I bet we will have this discussion again. Its very amusing.
However: I saved my subscription information, because it is faster fo find than
using
the webpages again to find unsubsbcribe-infos.
I think a trailer is best (2nd vote), because then we may *FLAME* back in our
On Fri, 19 May 2000, Kai MacTane wrote:
Actually, they won't. I've seen this kind of setup on a list devoted to
Winamp skin creation; the overall intelligence level there was *much* lower
than this list, and every single email had a footer saying "To unsubscribe,
send a blank email to
Steve Wolfe wrote:
snip
more. Whenever someone asks "how do I unsubscribe", even though the
instructions are at the bottom of the message, they generally get subjected
to quite a bit of public humiliation and mockery. The good side is that
other people on the list notice it, and realize
Kai MacTane:
People who are determined to be stupid seem to be:
a) 100% capable of being stupid, no matter how easy you try to make it
for them to be smart (or at least average); and
b) 100% incapable of being convinced that they're being stupid. They
will rationalize and justify
Racer X:
from mailing lists for sending unsub requests to the list. maybe we
could set up a blacklist of mailing list morons and ban them from every
mailing list.
we can't ban newbies making newbie mistakes while learning, or else we will
grow old together because fresh meat is missing.
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
Hash: SHA1
Date:Fri, 19 May 2000 18:23:54 CDT
To: Kai MacTane [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED]
From:Troy Frericks [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: I want to leave this list
At 01:19 PM 5/19/00 , Kai MacTane wrote:
At 5/19/2000 10:44 AM
"Bro. Len Budney" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
That's not a problem at all. Bounce messages don't go to the reply
address, they go to the envelope sender.
Unfortunately, even with the magic of VERP, there are some systems out
there that are just so broken they bounce back to Reply-To: headers,
or
Troy Frericks:
Why don't we TRY ADDING A FOOTER WITH UNSUBSCRIBE INSTRUCTIONS TO EACH
MESSAGE, just TRY it? What is there to be afraid of?
who would evaluate the result? we should try, but also really watch what's
happening.
--
clemens [EMAIL
OK, so they are stupid. Now, let's help them out so they don't have to
waste bandwidth and everybody's time. Lets send them several messages each
day with something in the body that all mail clients can read that tells
them how to unsubscribe. After all, they are stupid, give them
On Fri, May 19, 2000 at 09:07:17AM +0200, Paulo Jan wrote:
OK, so they are stupid. Now, let's help them out so they don't have to
waste bandwidth and everybody's time. Lets send them several messages each
day with something in the body that all mail clients can read that tells
them
Russ Allbery:
It breaks MIME structured bodies, which are often useful for particular
purposes. It breaks some signed posts. It's useless information for 99%
of the recipients. And I'm really sick of seeing mailing list posts
accumulate more and more worthless junk to the point that it's
I've got qmail installed and I can send mail, and maildir's are filling up
with new mail.
I need to find docs on getting to my mail with netscape, from remote, and
setting the pop3 server. Later I need to make the virtual domains work.
Which docs should I read?
Is there a grid of options so I
At 5/18/2000 08:26 PM -0500, Troy Frericks wrote or quoted:
Don't burry it in the header, don't require them to keep something, don't
require them to remember a web site, just attach the information to the
end of each message; then those stupid people will feel real stupid if
they miss it.
At 5/18/2000 09:47 PM -0700, Russ Allbery wrote or quoted:
It breaks MIME structured bodies, which are often useful for particular
purposes. It breaks some signed posts. It's useless information for 99%
of the recipients. And I'm really sick of seeing mailing list posts
accumulate more and
Roughly a half-dozen people *per day* sent in messages asking how to get
off the list.
A lot of that depends on how long the average person stays on the list.
On another list that I belong to, most people stay there for months or
more. Whenever someone asks "how do I unsubscribe", even
Say, here's an idea, which I'm not sure how difficult it would be to implement:
What if, when you first subscribe, it automatically sends you messages with
a footer, and the footer says something like:
Here's another. WHy not have all the list email sent out with a reply
address that is
At 5/19/2000 10:44 AM -0700, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote or quoted:
Here's another. WHy not have all the list email sent out with a reply
address that is the unsubscribe address. That way, a reply to the email
automatically goes to the unsubscribe address and only those smart enough
to change the
Kai MacTane wrote:
People who are determined to be stupid seem to be:
a) 100% capable of being stupid, no matter how easy you try to make it
for them to be smart (or at least average); and
b) 100% incapable of being convinced that they're being stupid. They
will rationalize and
Paulo Jan wrote:
Based on my experience in other mailing lists, I can guarantee you
that, after adding unsubbing information in the footer of the message,
you will *still* receive mails from people asking "remove me" or "how do
I unsub".
In our experience after adding a trailer the
for sending unsub requests to the list. maybe we
could set up a blacklist of mailing list morons and ban them from every
mailing list.
shag
- Original Message -
From: "Kai MacTane" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Fri 19 May 2000 10:41
Subject: Re: I want to leave this li
At 04:47 PM 5/19/00 , Racer X wrote:
[snip]
i'd rather see mailing list owners boot people permanently
from mailing lists for sending unsub requests to the list. maybe we
could set up a blacklist of mailing list morons and ban them from every
mailing list.
[snip]
So, what you are saying is make
At 01:19 PM 5/19/00 , Kai MacTane wrote:
At 5/19/2000 10:44 AM -0700, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote or quoted:
Here's another. WHy not have all the list email sent out with a reply
address that is the unsubscribe address. That way, a reply to the email
automatically goes to the unsubscribe address and
On Wed, 17 May 2000 18:54:34 -0300, Frederiko dos Santos Costa
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
How I do to leave this list ?
we see a lot of these messages coming across.
did you think of a header or footer, with some text like:
--
to unsubscribe, send a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
to view the
I have sent an unsubscribe message got an confirmation that I will be
removed but I still get mails sent to this list.
/L-Å
-Original Message-
From: Jan Stifter [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Thursday, May 18, 2000 2:21 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: I want to leave this list
Has anybody given an explanation as to why this simple change has not been
implemented on this list. Kinds of seems silly that it has not been done,
especially given the extra messages not having it generates.
#
At 07:21 AM 5/18/00 , Jan Stifter wrote:
[snip]
we see a lot of these messages
Troy Frericks [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
[footer giving unsubscribe information]
Has anybody given an explanation as to why this simple change has not been
implemented on this list. Kinds of seems silly that it has not been done,
especially given the extra messages not having it generates.
also sprach lars-ake.torlind:
I have sent an unsubscribe message got an confirmation that I will be
removed but I still get mails sent to this list.
You'll need to reply to that confirmation. Just like the instructions say to
do. ;)
/pg
--
Peter Green
Gospel Communications Network, SysAdmin
On Thu, May 18, 2000 at 08:45:30AM -0400, Len Budney wrote:
If users will not read the header, they will not pay attention to
the footer either. You will probably get replies from people who've
subscribed to lists which use footers that way, and they will tell you
that the same questions are
What do ya think of people actually saving the initial messages they get
when they subscribe to the list?
Or better yet, read the mail headers for qmail list messages which have a
the line
Mailing-List: contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]; run by ezmlm
A blank message to that address will spit back a
On Thu, May 18, 2000 at 07:33:08AM -0500,
Troy Frericks [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Has anybody given an explanation as to why this simple change has not been
implemented on this list. Kinds of seems silly that it has not been done,
especially given the extra messages not having it
Thus said "Keith Warno" on Thu, 18 May 2000 12:44:29 EDT:
What do ya think of people actually saving the initial messages they get
when they subscribe to the list?
What I find amusing is that they are intelligent enough to subscribe
themselves, but then when subscribed they suddenly lose
At 01:22 PM 5/18/00 , Bruno Wolff III wrote:
On Thu, May 18, 2000 at 07:33:08AM -0500,
Troy Frericks [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Has anybody given an explanation as to why this simple change has not been
implemented on this list. Kinds of seems silly that it has not been done,
especially
At 08:05 PM 5/18/00 , Andy Bradford wrote:
Thus said "Keith Warno" on Thu, 18 May 2000 12:44:29 EDT:
What do ya think of people actually saving the initial messages they get
when they subscribe to the list?
What I find amusing is that they are intelligent enough to subscribe
themselves, but
Why don't we TRY ADDING A FOOTER WITH UNSUBSCRIBE INSTRUCTIONS TO EACH
MESSAGE, just TRY it? What is there to be afraid of?
I use qmail/ezmlm-idx, and it adds subscribe/unsubscribe stuff to the
HEADER. Maybe this list should use thes extensions...?
Troy Frericks [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
OK, so they are stupid. Now, let's help them out so they don't have to
waste bandwidth and everybody's time. Lets send them several messages
each day with something in the body that all mail clients can read that
tells them how to unsubscribe.
Let's
Russ Allbery writes:
skip over the messages from the completely lost people; footers that any
intelligent person doesn't need are both intrusive and ugly.
Ignorance is self-extinguishing. Point it out and it goes away. (I
bet you never knew that -- but you do now -- see, it's true!) But
How I do to leave this list ?
I would like to know as well.
Dirk
On Wed, May 17, 2000 at 06:54:34PM -0300, Frederiko dos Santos Costa wrote:
How I do to leave this list ?
Dirk Harms-Merbitz wrote:
I would like to know as well.
Dirk
On Wed, May 17, 2000 at 06:54:34PM -0300, Frederiko dos Santos Costa wrote:
How I do to leave this list ?
$ mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] -s "" /dev/null
42 matches
Mail list logo
