Re: Maildir format

2000-01-20 Thread Matthew Schnierle
, reliability, etc.) and therefore are stuck RAhaving to use NFS whether they like it or not. To an extent, but keep in mind that the maildir/nfs solution is _simple_. Now, you can do things to make it more "robust" (read: complex) to add functionality, but if you want "simple and scalable&qu

Re: Maildir format

2000-01-19 Thread Bruce Guenter
On Tue, Jan 18, 2000 at 03:26:49PM -, Anthony DeBoer wrote: Bruce Guenter [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: The needs I am aware of include: - hierarchical multiple mailbox support That should include something that makes sense for a host that's behind a firewall and/or NAT and/or dynamic-IP

Re: Maildir format

2000-01-19 Thread Bruce Guenter
On Sat, Jan 15, 2000 at 12:25:09PM -0500, Greg Owen wrote: 1) Integrate support for some sort of calendaring. I've run both IMAP and Exchange based environments, and for all its faults, the integrated calendaring that Exchange does is extremely useful. None of the web-based calendaring

Re: Maildir format

2000-01-19 Thread Tracy R Reed
On Sun, Jan 16, 2000 at 10:35:09AM -0600, Tim Tsai wrote: What do you guys do for backup's? Do you put two NIC cards in each server and maintain a separate network for that? We actually use a couple Storagetek 9710 tape libraries. 10 DLT 7000 drives and something like 800 slots for tapes.

RE: Maildir format

2000-01-19 Thread Greg Owen
Warning: opinions, little to do with qmail or maildir. Bruce Guenter wrote: On Sat, Jan 15, 2000 at 12:25:09PM -0500, Greg Owen wrote: 1) Integrate support for some sort of calendaring. I've run both IMAP and Exchange based environments, and for all its faults, the integrated

Re: Maildir format

2000-01-19 Thread Bruce Guenter
On Wed, Jan 19, 2000 at 01:22:11PM -0500, Greg Owen wrote: Warning: opinions, little to do with qmail or maildir. Indeed. I should start up a list just to discuss this. As much as I would like scheduling, this is an "mailbox" program, which handles email. I believe t

Re: Maildir format

2000-01-19 Thread Bruce Guenter
On Wed, Jan 19, 2000 at 12:36:05PM -0600, Bruce Guenter wrote: A good calendaring system requires that users receive requests for meetings and can answer them, and have trouble screwing them up (i.e. putting the metainfo in the subject line is easy to screw up). Email is the ideal

Re: Maildir format

2000-01-19 Thread Anthony DeBoer
Bruce Guenter [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On Tue, Jan 18, 2000 at 03:26:49PM -, Anthony DeBoer wrote: [ protocol wishlist ] That should include something that makes sense for a host that's behind a firewall and/or NAT and/or dynamic-IP dialup to authenticate and download mail for

RE: Maildir format

2000-01-19 Thread Greg Owen
On Wed, Jan 19, 2000 at 01:22:11PM -0500, Greg Owen wrote: Warning: opinions, little to do with qmail or maildir. Indeed. I should start up a list just to discuss this. Bruce, If you start up such a list, let me know. You are asking good questions, questions

Re: Maildir format

2000-01-19 Thread Magnus Bodin
On Wed, Jan 19, 2000 at 10:53:09AM -0600, Bruce Guenter wrote: Do you have an URL for a specification of ACAP or IMSP? I've never heard of them, but what you've described is a good idea. Actually, the ACAP chapter of O'Reillys "Programming Internet Email" (ISBN 1-56592-479-7) is free!

Re: Crispin v. Bernstein (was Re: Maildir format)

2000-01-19 Thread craig
A few people have responded to my earlier query/rant/whatever about writing high-quality software. A couple of these have asked me to keep them notified about what I learn, if possible. Another identified the starting-point of a resource. I put up a web page on my site on this topic, which I

Re: Maildir format

2000-01-19 Thread Bruno Wolff III
There is a new GNU project starting up called GLUE that seems to be concerned with at least some of the same things you are (plus other stuff). You can start looking at their goals at: http://www.gnu.org/software/glue/glue.html On Wed, Jan 19, 2000 at 12:46:16PM -0600, Bruce Guenter [EMAIL

Re: Maildir format

2000-01-19 Thread Bruce Guenter
On Wed, Jan 19, 2000 at 03:31:57PM -0500, Greg Owen wrote: Indeed. I should start up a list just to discuss this. If you start up such a list, let me know. I have started up two lists, actually: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] The first is to discuss an

Re: Maildir format

2000-01-18 Thread petervd
On Tue, Jan 18, 2000 at 12:11:16AM -0600, Bruce Guenter wrote: On Tue, Jan 18, 2000 at 12:53:37AM -0500, Russell Nelson wrote: Um, am I missing something? I thought the whole point of the "info" portion of the filename of the message in the maildir? Right, and do you want th

Re: Maildir format

2000-01-18 Thread bert hubert
On Fri, Jan 14, 2000 at 03:07:09PM -0500, Russell Nelson wrote: Right, and any scalable email system is going to use NFS. Therefore No. We scale with pop-proxies, and do without NFS at all. We rely heavily on LDAP to achieve this. Regards, bert. -- +---+ |

Re: Maildir format

2000-01-18 Thread Anthony DeBoer
Bruce Guenter [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: The needs I am aware of include: - the basics of POP3 plus... [snip] - hierarchical multiple mailbox support That should include something that makes sense for a host that's behind a firewall and/or NAT and/or dynamic-IP dialup to authenticate and

Re: Maildir format (indexing)

2000-01-18 Thread Jeff Hayward
On Fri, 14 Jan 2000, Russell Nelson wrote: One way to do that would be for Dan to change the Maildir specification so that a Maildir may have multiple "cur" directories. Then, keep a CDB containing a subset of the message headers. Why multiple "cur" direct

Re: Maildir format (indexing)

2000-01-18 Thread Russell Nelson
Jeff Hayward writes: On Fri, 14 Jan 2000, Russell Nelson wrote: One way to do that would be for Dan to change the Maildir specification so that a Maildir may have multiple "cur" directories. Then, keep a CDB containing a subset of the message headers. Why mul

Re: Maildir format (scaling)

2000-01-18 Thread Jeff Hayward
ion boxes. Failover is just a special case of load balancing. Scales well for us (about 6.5 million messages stored in maildirs) with no limits on the horizon. That said, maildir indexing would help latency in application response quite a bit. Oh, we've also been down the AFS path. Not rec

Re: Maildir setup

2000-01-18 Thread Jose Pedro Pereira
Try /etc/skel ... The name says it all... Good Luck JP On Fri, 14 Jan 2000, Kevin Waterson wrote: In the qmail/doc/INSTALL.maildir it says to edit /var/qmail/rc and replace ./Mailbox with ./Maildir/ and "by creating a maildir in the new-user template directory" Where is this

Re: Maildir format (scaling)

2000-01-18 Thread Michael Boman
up. Load balancing happens automatically, not by adding/moving users to application boxes. Failover is just a special case of load balancing. Scales well for us (about 6.5 million messages stored in maildirs) with no limits on the horizon. That said, maildir indexing would help latency in

Re: Maildir format (indexing)

2000-01-18 Thread petervd
On Tue, Jan 18, 2000 at 10:15:31AM -0600, Jeff Hayward wrote: On Fri, 14 Jan 2000, Russell Nelson wrote: One way to do that would be for Dan to change the Maildir specification so that a Maildir may have multiple "cur" directories. Then, keep a CDB containing a subset of t

Re: Maildir format (indexing)

2000-01-18 Thread Mark Delany
On Tue, Jan 18, 2000 at 06:41:23PM +0100, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well the CDB (in my idea, at least) will be indexed to the unchanging part of a message filename (without new/ or cur/ in front), and contain the headers that mutt normally reads from the file itself while opening. [Yes, I am

Re: Maildir setup

2000-01-18 Thread Kevin Waterson
Jose Pedro Pereira wrote: Try /etc/skel ... The name says it all... hmm, there is nothing in this dir? What should be there? Could I be missing something? Kind regards Kevin

Re: Maildir setup

2000-01-18 Thread Russell P. Sutherland
* Kevin Waterson ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [18 Jan 2000 15:40]: Try /etc/skel ... The name says it all... hmm, there is nothing in this dir? What should be there? Could I be missing something? If you put a Maildir in this area, then every new account will be automatically set up with one

Re: Maildir setup

2000-01-18 Thread Ronny Haryanto
On 19-Jan-2000, Kevin Waterson wrote: Jose Pedro Pereira wrote: Try /etc/skel ... The name says it all... It says nothing to me at first, until I read 'man useradd'. skel stands for skeleton, I guess. hmm, there is nothing in this dir? What should be there? Could I be missing

Re: Maildir format

2000-01-17 Thread Russell Nelson
Bruce Guenter writes: On Sat, Jan 15, 2000 at 10:57:00PM -0500, Russell Nelson wrote: I wonder if that couldn't be handled by the Maildir code writing Status: XXX as the very first line in each message? Um, am I missing something? I thought the whole point of the "

Re: Maildir format

2000-01-17 Thread Bruce Guenter
On Tue, Jan 18, 2000 at 12:53:37AM -0500, Russell Nelson wrote: Um, am I missing something? I thought the whole point of the "info" portion of the filename of the message in the maildir? Right, and do you want the filename changing all the time? Instead of a simple "op

Re: Maildir format

2000-01-16 Thread Tracy R Reed
On Sat, Jan 15, 2000 at 09:41:48AM -0600, Tim Tsai wrote: Russ, what is your definition of a "large" installation? 10k, 100k, 1m users? Just exactly how many lighter-weight servers is practical to manage and upkeep before it's cheaper to buy NetApp's? As someone who has purchased and

Re: Maildir format

2000-01-16 Thread Claus Färber
Bruce Guenter [EMAIL PROTECTED] schrieb/wrote: First place to start is to figure out what is actually necessary. In a lot of cases, POP3 with a few extensions should be perfectly adequate, but it is necessary to know what the needs actually are. I don't think it's a good idea to overload the

Re: Maildir format

2000-01-16 Thread Tim Tsai
What do you guys do for backup's? Do you put two NIC cards in each server and maintain a separate network for that? Thanks, from a guy that's about to take that big plunge into a scalable mail design. Tim On Sun, Jan 16, 2000 at 02:56:59AM -0800, Tracy R Reed wrote: On Sat, Jan 15,

Re: Maildir format

2000-01-16 Thread Tim Tsai
What do you guys do for backup's? Do you put two NIC cards in each server and maintain a separate network for that? Do you have *a lot* of pc-hardware around? What failed, last time? And before that? No, that wasn't why I asked. The main reason for two NIC's is to keep the backup

Re: Maildir format

2000-01-16 Thread richard
On Sat, 15 Jan 2000, Bruce Guenter wrote: On Sat, Jan 15, 2000 at 01:20:05AM -0500, Russell Nelson wrote: What about asynchronous commands and notifications? I'd nuke 'em, myself. Which of course begs the question about what kinds of events are really necessary for a mailbox access

Coda and Maildir file store

2000-01-16 Thread Bruce Guenter
Greetings. Does anybody have any experience with using the Coda distributed filesystem with maildir file storage? I am in a situation where we want to have a pair of mail servers such that if any one dies, the other can take its place, complete with its contents. Distributing mail to two

Re: Maildir format

2000-01-16 Thread Delanet Administration
We decided against NetApp for the same reasons, and went with Metastor. Performance is great, easy to upgrade, and it fit our needs for a reasonable price vs using seperate file stores for each mail server. I'm sure there are other brands out there of similar price/performance (we spent maybe 15k

Re: Maildir format

2000-01-16 Thread Russ Allbery
Ruben van der Leij [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On Sun, Jan 16, 2000 at 10:35:09AM -0600, Tim Tsai wrote: What do you guys do for backup's? Do you put two NIC cards in each server and maintain a separate network for that? We just back up over the same network as we do everything else, early in

Re: Coda and Maildir file store

2000-01-16 Thread Russ Allbery
Bruce Guenter [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I am in a situation where we want to have a pair of mail servers such that if any one dies, the other can take its place, complete with its contents. Distributing mail to two servers simultaneously is not a big deal, but ensuring that those two

Re: Maildir format

2000-01-16 Thread Bruce Guenter
On Sun, Jan 16, 2000 at 02:09:00PM +0100, Claus Färber wrote: Bruce Guenter [EMAIL PROTECTED] schrieb/wrote: First place to start is to figure out what is actually necessary. In a lot of cases, POP3 with a few extensions should be perfectly adequate, but it is necessary to know what the

Re: Maildir format

2000-01-16 Thread Bruce Guenter
On Sun, Jan 16, 2000 at 05:47:50PM +, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: And even if you didn't mind doing that, then events of interest could be reported using a prompt which conveyed the same information as "You have a pending event". So you'd either be executing a command, or else you'd

Re: Maildir format

2000-01-15 Thread Russell Nelson
Bruce Guenter writes: - message state storage (read, replied to, forwarded, flagged, etc.) seperate from content delivery (a "Status:" header line) I wonder if that couldn't be handled by the Maildir code writing Status: XXX as the very first line in each message? Then,

Re: Maildir format

2000-01-15 Thread Frederik Lindberg
On Sat, Jan 15, 2000 at 10:57:00PM -0500, Russell Nelson wrote: I wonder if that couldn't be handled by the Maildir code writing Status: XXX as the very first line in each message? Then, you could change the status by opening the message file, read in the first N bytes, modify one

Re: Maildir format

2000-01-15 Thread Bruce Guenter
On Sat, Jan 15, 2000 at 10:57:00PM -0500, Russell Nelson wrote: Bruce Guenter writes: - message state storage (read, replied to, forwarded, flagged, etc.) seperate from content delivery (a "Status:" header line) I wonder if that couldn't be handled by the Maildir code writi

Re: Maildir format

2000-01-15 Thread Peter C. Norton
eader line) I wonder if that couldn't be handled by the Maildir code writing Status: XXX as the very first line in each message? Then, you could change the status by opening the message file, read in the first N bytes, modify one of those characters to set the status, and write out those b

Re: Maildir format

2000-01-15 Thread Peter C. Norton
On Sun, Jan 16, 2000 at 12:09:13AM -0600, Bruce Guenter wrote: Good thought, especially with the tunneling options, but unless things have changed, SSH still requires shell access -- something that should not be required for mailbox access. Not really. It only spawns a shell because sshd's

Re: Maildir format

2000-01-15 Thread Bruce Guenter
On Sat, Jan 15, 2000 at 10:26:22PM -0800, Peter C. Norton wrote: Good thought, especially with the tunneling options, but unless things have changed, SSH still requires shell access -- something that should not be required for mailbox access. Not really. It only spawns a shell because

Re: Maildir setup

2000-01-14 Thread Anand Buddhdev
On Fri, Jan 14, 2000 at 05:54:51PM +1100, Kevin Waterson wrote: In the qmail/doc/INSTALL.maildir it says to edit /var/qmail/rc and replace ./Mailbox with ./Maildir/ and "by creating a maildir in the new-user template directory" Where is this directory? It's usually /usr/share/sk

Re: Maildir setup

2000-01-14 Thread Anand Buddhdev
On Fri, Jan 14, 2000 at 05:54:51PM +1100, Kevin Waterson wrote: I noticed something weird in your headers: Received: (qmail 7501 invoked by uid 1002); 14 Jan 2000 07:47:54 - Mailing-List: contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk Delivered-To: mailing list [EMAIL

Re: Maildir setup

2000-01-14 Thread Russell Nelson
Anand Buddhdev writes: Received: from unknown (HELO oceania.net) (@203.41.132.67) Normally, qmail-smtpd records the IP address of the client in that field. Why does yours have an '@' in it? They probably have an ident

Re: Maildir setup

2000-01-14 Thread Anand Buddhdev
On Fri, Jan 14, 2000 at 08:27:12AM -0500, Russell Nelson wrote: Received: from unknown (HELO oceania.net) (@203.41.132.67) Normally, qmail-smtpd records the IP address of the client in that field. Why does yours have an '@' in it? They probably have an ident server which returns

Re: Maildir setup

2000-01-14 Thread Mate Wierdl
In the qmail/doc/INSTALL.maildir it says to edit /var/qmail/rc Apparently, you did not believe me when in an earlier message I told you that /var/qmail/rc is *not* used by the qmail-run scripts. Please take a look at ftp://moni.msci.memphis.edu/pub/qmail-run/README.qmail-run You will see,

Re: Maildir format

2000-01-14 Thread Dave Sill
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From libc-client4.7 documentation: --strip-- The Maildir format used by qmail has all of the performance disadvantages of mh noted above, with the additional problem that the files are renamed in order to change their status so you end up having to rescan

Re: Maildir format

2000-01-14 Thread Mikko Hänninen
Ondrej Surý [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote on Fri, 14 Jan 2000: From libc-client4.7 documentation: --strip-- The Maildir format used by qmail has all of the performance disadvantages of mh noted above, with the additional problem snip Could someone comment this? Well, I can say something

Re: Maildir format

2000-01-14 Thread Marcin Jaskowiak
On Wed, 12 Jan 2000, Kristina wrote: [...] Do I need a .qmail file to configure the maildir format. If so, how do I configure it. Please let me know. Yes. Just tell qmail where to put incoming mail's (echo "./Maildir/" .qmail). Anyway, to create Maildir/new, Maildir/cur, Maildir

Maildir format

2000-01-14 Thread Ondej Sur
From libc-client4.7 documentation: --strip-- The Maildir format used by qmail has all of the performance disadvantages of mh noted above, with the additional problem that the files are renamed in order to change their status so you end up having to rescan the directory frequently the current

Re: Maildir format

2000-01-14 Thread Russell Nelson
=?iso-8859-2?Q?Ond=F8ej=20Sur=FD?= writes: Could someone comment this? Yeah. Mark Crispin doesn't like Dan Bernstein; therefore anything Dan Bernstein does has technical problems which "don't scale" and are "a support nightmare." Mark doesn't want to hear what I have to say about IMAP

Re: Maildir format

2000-01-14 Thread Russell Nelson
Mikko Hänninen writes: But, the commentary completely misses the good points and the purpose of Maildirs: that they're ideal for incoming mail delivery, especially when the folder is accesses over NFS (whether "access" delivery or reading or both). Maildir format is not som

Re: Maildir format

2000-01-14 Thread Charles Cazabon
way to do that would be for Dan to change the Maildir specification so that a Maildir may have multiple "cur" directories. Then, keep a CDB containing a subset of the message headers. Doesn't the CDB file then require some trickery to avoid the necessity of locks for multiple wri

Re: Maildir setup

2000-01-14 Thread Kevin Waterson
Anand Buddhdev wrote: On Fri, Jan 14, 2000 at 05:54:51PM +1100, Kevin Waterson wrote: I noticed something weird in your headers: -- See complete headers for more infl I am moving our mail behind a firewall and our local network. The IP of the machine I am sending from is 192.168.0.9 the

Re: Maildir format

2000-01-14 Thread petervd
tead "What must be done to make Maildirs more efficient"? One way to do that would be for Dan to change the Maildir specification so that a Maildir may have multiple "cur" directories. Then, keep a CDB containing a subset of the message headers. Doesn't the CDB f

Re: Maildir setup

2000-01-14 Thread Kevin Waterson
Mate Wierdl wrote: This is so important that I repeat it: if you want to change where and how qmail delivers local mail, you need to change /var/qmail/defaultdelivery/rc, and not /var/qmail/rc. In this respect, qmail-run's setup is different from the default; the scripts in

Re: Maildir format

2000-01-14 Thread Russell Nelson
aildirs more efficient"? One way to do that would be for Dan to change the Maildir specification so that a Maildir may have multiple "cur" directories. Then, keep a CDB containing a subset of the message headers. Doesn't the CDB file then require some trickery to

Re: Maildir format

2000-01-14 Thread Russell Nelson
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Note that I don't really see the benefit in multiple cur-directories, apart from the performance advantages on sub-optimal [most] filesystems, for which same reason the queue directories are split up. Right, me neither. | 'C makes it easy to shoot yourself in

Re: Maildir format

2000-01-14 Thread Russell Nelson
Russ Allbery writes: Russell Nelson [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Right, and any scalable email system is going to use NFS. Why do you think that? Because every such installation I've ever seen has used NFS. I'm not talking about what's good, or what's right. I'm talking about what's

Re: Maildir format

2000-01-14 Thread Sam
On Fri, 14 Jan 2000, Ondøej Surý wrote: From libc-client4.7 documentation: --strip-- The Maildir format used by qmail has all of the performance disadvantages of mh noted above, with the additional problem that the files are renamed in order to change their status so you end up

Re: Maildir format

2000-01-14 Thread Sam
On Fri, 14 Jan 2000, Russell Nelson wrote: =?iso-8859-2?Q?Ond=F8ej=20Sur=FD?= writes: Could someone comment this? Yeah. Mark Crispin doesn't like Dan Bernstein; therefore anything Dan Bernstein does has technical problems which "don't scale" and are "a support nightmare." Mark

Re: Maildir format

2000-01-14 Thread Sam
reading or both). Maildir format is not something you should be using for email archival, or for very large mail folders. However, the lack of locking requirement is a big win over NFS. Right, and any scalable email system is going to use NFS. Therefore the question in my mind is

qmail, Maildir FirstClass

2000-01-13 Thread Henrik Öhman
Hi, I'm facing an installation of FirstClass in our company, and while I've been told that FC has an excellent mail service, I'd still like to use our current qmail-server for recieving mail which FirstClass can then retrieve from the mail server (perhaps through pop3.) I don't know much about

Re: qmail, Maildir FirstClass

2000-01-13 Thread Martin A. Brown
Hi Henrik, Haven't heard of FirstClass. I'm going to presume that the client machines (Windows? Mac? Does it matter?) run some sort of proprietary FirstClass client software to talk to the serveras such, your qmail machine is likely to be working only as an MX host, and/or outgoing mail

Maildir setup

2000-01-13 Thread Kevin Waterson
In the qmail/doc/INSTALL.maildir it says to edit /var/qmail/rc and replace ./Mailbox with ./Maildir/ and "by creating a maildir in the new-user template directory" Where is this directory? Kind regards Kevin

MUA's compatible with Maildir

2000-01-12 Thread Kristina
Life-with-qmail talks says that the Maildir format has less MUA support. Which MUA's are not compatible with the Maildir format? Thankyou, Kristina

Re: MUA's compatible with Maildir

2000-01-12 Thread Stephen Mills
The question you should ask is which MUA isnt supported :) The popular ones are : Pine is supported via patches Elm is supported via looping formats Mutt has native support Mew has native support --Stephen On Wed, 12 Jan 2000, Kristina wrote: Life-with-qmail talks says that the Maildir

Re: MUA's compatible with Maildir

2000-01-12 Thread Benjamin de los Angeles Jr .
But if you're using POP3, you just need to use qmail-pop3d to interface with Maildir and you can use any MUA and access your e-mail thru POP3. On Wed, Jan 12, 2000 at 10:18:59PM +1100, Stephen Mills wrote: The question you should ask is which MUA isnt supported :) The popular ones

Re: MUA's compatible with Maildir

2000-01-12 Thread Stephen Mills
Sorry, forgot to mention that (!) --Stephen On Wed, 12 Jan 2000, Benjamin de los Angeles Jr . wrote: But if you're using POP3, you just need to use qmail-pop3d to interface with Maildir and you can use any MUA and access your e-mail thru POP3.

Re: MUA's, Maildir and folder formats

2000-01-12 Thread Len Budney
Kristina [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Which MUA's are not compatible with the Maildir format? Stephen Mills mentioned pine, elm, mutt and mew. He missed pgnus, and maybe other MUAs. But "MUA support of Maildir" can mean two things. It can mean that the mailer allows _folders_ to b

Re: Maildir format

2000-01-12 Thread Len Budney
Kristina [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Do I need a .qmail file to configure the maildir format. No. If you make "./Maildir/" the default delivery instruction, then it will work even if nobody has a .qmail file. BUT! qmail can _deliver to_ a maildir. It can't _create_ a maildir. For exis

Re: MUA's, Maildir and folder formats

2000-01-12 Thread Lorens Kockum
On the qmail list [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On the other hand, I have thought maildir a _good_ folder format; it It is deathly slow on big folders. When you want to get the subject of all the mails, for example, it still has to open and read every single mail. I think a seperate index file

Re: MUA's, Maildir and folder formats

2000-01-12 Thread petervd
On Wed, Jan 12, 2000 at 12:38:55PM -, Lorens Kockum wrote: On the qmail list [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On the other hand, I have thought maildir a _good_ folder format; it It is deathly slow on big folders. When you want to get the subject of all the mails, for example, it still has

Re: MUA's, Maildir and folder formats

2000-01-12 Thread Len Budney
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wed, Jan 12, 2000 at 12:38:55PM -, Lorens Kockum wrote: On the qmail list [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On the other hand, I have thought maildir a _good_ folder format; it It is deathly slow on big folders. True. Then again, many mbox clients are also

Re: MUA's, Maildir and folder formats

2000-01-12 Thread Russell Nelson
Len Budney writes: FWIW, Dan once argued that maildirs are good as spools, but not great as folders. What if you want mail to be deliverable into folders, using extensions? -- -russ nelson [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://russnelson.com Crynwr sells support for free software | PGPok | "Ask not

Re: MUA's, Maildir and folder formats

2000-01-12 Thread Len Budney
Russell Nelson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Len Budney writes: FWIW, Dan once argued that maildirs are good as spools, but not great as folders. Misquote alert! My fault! Dan didn't say that maildirs are "not great as folders". I don't have the exact quote, but what he said was th

Re: MUA's, Maildir and folder formats

2000-01-12 Thread Jeff Hayward
On Wed, 12 Jan 2000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: read every single mail. I think a seperate index file would be a good idea, shouldn't be too hard to do correctly. That would require locking, which goes against the Maildir-philosophy. No locking required. Think of the index file

Re: MUA's, Maildir and folder formats

2000-01-12 Thread petervd
On Wed, Jan 12, 2000 at 06:27:59PM -0500, Sam wrote: On 12 Jan 2000, (Lorens Kockum) wrote: On the qmail list [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On the other hand, I have thought maildir a _good_ folder format; it It is deathly slow on big folders. When you want to get the subject of all

Re: MUA's, Maildir and folder formats

2000-01-12 Thread Scott Lystig Fritchie
"s" == Sam [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: s On Wed, 12 Jan 2000, Len Budney wrote: For asynchrony, maildir rules the world. But uses space and inodes, and scans slowly. s Perhaps that's true on some some platform that uses a substandard s filesystem. The default allocation of the

Maildir format

2000-01-11 Thread Kristina
I thought that configuring the /var/qmail/control/defaultdelivery file and /var/qmail/rc files was all you needed for the maildir format. However, as I was not getting tmp, cur and new directories created I rechecked the Life with Qmail documentation again to find out that I may need the .qmail

Re: Converting PMMail files to Maildir or mbox format

1999-12-23 Thread Subba Rao
On 0, Sam [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tue, 21 Dec 1999, Subba Rao wrote: I am in the process of moving my mail from a OS/2 box. The mail client here is PMMail. Each email is stored in a seperate file, like in Maildir. I have moved these files to linux, but cannot read them using Mutt

Re: Converting PMMail files to Maildir or mbox format

1999-12-22 Thread Petr Novotny
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 22 Dec 99, at 5:46, Frederik Lindberg wrote: They are just the message, but in dos/CRLF format. There are several ways to convert them. The easiest if to ftp from the OS/2 box to the unix box into the ~Maildir/new/ folder using "ascii&

Re: Converting PMMail files to Maildir or mbox format

1999-12-22 Thread Keith Warno
he easiest if to ftp from the OS/2 box to the unix box into the ~Maildir/new/ folder using "ascii" mode. Huh? FTP the easiest? On my PC, the easiest was tr -d "\r" input output Putting it into a for... cycle is left to the reader as an excercise. Exactly this is why

Converting PMMail files to Maildir or mbox format

1999-12-21 Thread Subba Rao
I am in the process of moving my mail from a OS/2 box. The mail client here is PMMail. Each email is stored in a seperate file, like in Maildir. I have moved these files to linux, but cannot read them using Mutt to convert them to Maildir named files. The PMMail files are named in 7.3 format

Re: Converting PMMail files to Maildir or mbox format

1999-12-21 Thread Charles Cazabon
text How do you convert these files into mbox or Maildir format? I want to be able to read these messages using Mutt MUA. Well, if you're using qmail as your MTA, something like the following should be a quick 'n' dirty way to do it. Just set the two addresses in the script below to both be your

Re: Converting PMMail files to Maildir or mbox format

1999-12-21 Thread Frederik Lindberg
On Tue, Dec 21, 1999 at 09:09:11AM -0500, Subba Rao wrote: I am in the process of moving my mail from a OS/2 box. The mail client here is PMMail. Each email is stored in a seperate file, like in Maildir. I have moved these files to linux, but cannot read them using Mutt to convert them

Re: maildir Perl modules.

1999-12-15 Thread james
On Thu, 16 Dec 1999, Sam wrote: Casual browse of CPAN does not reveal any existence of maildir Perl modules. Has anyone heard of anything like that? I found this link on www.qmail.org, its a perl module to deliver to Maildirs. ftp://triceratops.com/pub/software/john/Qmail-Maildir-0.31

Re: maildir Perl modules.

1999-12-15 Thread Daniel Sully
Once upon a time Sam shaped the electrons to say... Casual browse of CPAN does not reveal any existence of maildir Perl modules. Has anyone heard of anything like that? Yes, a maildir interface exists in the Mail::Folder modules. -D -- The revolution will be documented.

using procmail with qmail+/Maildir+vpopmail

1999-12-12 Thread qmail
hi all! i've got troubles and a question :) i can't manage to install procmail. currently i am using qmail-local to deliver mails. i also use the /Maildir format and vpopmail. i couldn't find a howto or documentation how to install procmail with qmail+maildir+vpopmail. hope you can help me! thx

Re: using procmail with qmail+/Maildir+vpopmail

1999-12-12 Thread J. Ivan Juanes Prieto
-lists/qmail/1998/04/msg00487.html. Also, procmail doesn't deliver directly to maildir-format mailboxes. There's a patch available that implements maildir delivery in procmail. (See http://www.qmail.org/top.html#maildir) Another approach is safecat, a program that writes a message on standard input to

Re: using procmail with qmail+/Maildir+vpopmail

1999-12-12 Thread Ronny Haryanto
On 12-Dec-1999, J. Ivan Juanes Prieto wrote: Also, procmail doesn't deliver directly to maildir-format mailboxes. Maildir delivery is built-in since procmail 3.14 (released recently). -- Ronny Haryanto

Re: using procmail with qmail+/Maildir+vpopmail

1999-12-12 Thread Sam
On Sun, 12 Dec 1999, J. Ivan Juanes Prieto wrote: Also, procmail doesn't deliver directly to maildir-format mailboxes. There's a patch available that implements maildir delivery in procmail. Procmail 3.14 can allegedly deliver to maildirs. The code, however, is completely unreadable, just

sendmail -- qmail (Maildir)

1999-12-10 Thread Yamin Prabudy
I like to migrate from sendmail to qmail and in qmail i like to used the Maildir format well anyone can guide me to the URL that contains this stuf or show me how to do it Thanks -- Yamin Prabudy [EMAIL PROTECTED] StarNET

Re: sendmail -- qmail (Maildir)

1999-12-10 Thread Philip Gabbert
ps you get Qmail up and keeping it up.. Philip From: Yamin Prabudy [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Sat, 11 Dec 1999 11:20:12 +0700 To: "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: sendmail -- qmail (Maildir) I like to migrate from sendmail to qmail and in qmail i like to used the

Old messages in Maildir/tmp

1999-12-07 Thread Fred Backman
Why do I have old messages (as in 3-4 days old) in Maildir/tmp? Shouldn't these be moved to Maildir/new at delivery? If this isn't always the case, can someone please explain why they haven't been moved and also when, if ever, they will be. Cheers Fred

Re: Old messages in Maildir/tmp

1999-12-07 Thread Sam
Fred Backman writes: Why do I have old messages (as in 3-4 days old) in Maildir/tmp? Shouldn't these be moved to Maildir/new at delivery? If this isn't always the case, can someone please explain why they haven't been moved and also when, if ever, they will be. Stuff in tmp is partially

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