Re: ORBS, and RFC-ignorant blacklists

2001-06-05 Thread Peter van Dijk
On Tue, Jun 05, 2001 at 08:00:00AM +0200, Piotr Kasztelowicz wrote: On Mon, 4 Jun 2001, Alex Pennace wrote: Can you please get over this? The evidence you posted last year was flawed, it did not link ORBS to a few probes from Romania. You have no proof that ORBS is somehow worse than any

Re: ORBS, and RFC-ignorant blacklists

2001-06-05 Thread Alex Pennace
On Tue, Jun 05, 2001 at 07:59:38AM +0200, Piotr Kasztelowicz wrote: On Mon, 4 Jun 2001, Alex Pennace wrote: Can you please get over this? The evidence you posted last year was flawed, it did not link ORBS to a few probes from Romania. You have no proof that ORBS is somehow worse than any

Re: ORBS, and RFC-ignorant blacklists

2001-06-05 Thread Piotr Kasztelowicz
On Tue, 5 Jun 2001, Peter van Dijk wrote: So tell us your IP and show it is being listed by ORBS, so we can see for ourselves if this is true. Now it is not possible, because the ORBS is closed The host is sun.lodz.ptkardio.pl [212.51.193.152] relays that stay open that long probably will

[OT] [useless thread] Re: ORBS, and RFC-ignorant blacklists

2001-06-05 Thread Peter van Dijk
On Tue, Jun 05, 2001 at 01:29:59PM +0200, Piotr Kasztelowicz wrote: On Tue, 5 Jun 2001, Peter van Dijk wrote: Now it is not possible, because the ORBS is closed The host is sun.lodz.ptkardio.pl [212.51.193.152] relays that stay open that long probably will never get fixed. Since

Re: [OT] [useless thread] Re: ORBS, and RFC-ignorant blacklists

2001-06-05 Thread Piotr Kasztelowicz
On Tue, 5 Jun 2001, Peter van Dijk wrote: You have shown us no proof. That you are unable to for external reasons is too bad, but I suggest that you do not claim the above until you can show us proof. I don't believe you. Why I should believe you, when A. Brown has presented arrogant

Re: [OT] [useless thread] Re: ORBS, and RFC-ignorant blacklists

2001-06-05 Thread Adam McKenna
Can you guys please stop feeding this troll? --Adam

Re: [OT] [useless thread] Re: ORBS, and RFC-ignorant blacklists

2001-06-05 Thread Greg White
On Tue, Jun 05, 2001 at 05:10:32PM +0200, Piotr Kasztelowicz wrote: On Tue, 5 Jun 2001, Peter van Dijk wrote: You have shown us no proof. That you are unable to for external reasons is too bad, but I suggest that you do not claim the above until you can show us proof. I don't believe

Re: ORBS, and RFC-ignorant blacklists

2001-06-05 Thread Alex Pennace
On Tue, Jun 05, 2001 at 01:29:37PM +0200, Piotr Kasztelowicz wrote: Each use SMTP on server, which don't lead to sent or receive mail without a permission of administrator should be taken as inappropriate activity and illegal by any law. With that attitude you criminalize: 1. Incomplete

Re: ORBS, and RFC-ignorant blacklists

2001-06-05 Thread Ask Bjoern Hansen
On Fri, 1 Jun 2001, Johan Almqvist wrote: * Alex Pennace [EMAIL PROTECTED] [010601 04:25]: http://www.orbs.org/ says Due to circumstances beyond our control, the ORBS website is no longer available. http://www.dorkslayers.com/ seems to be the successor in some ways. But the first

Re: ORBS, and RFC-ignorant blacklists

2001-06-05 Thread Ask Bjoern Hansen
On Tue, 5 Jun 2001, Piotr Kasztelowicz wrote: [...] I'm very happy thaht NZ Court has been this same opinion as I. Well, they don't. The court didn't tell him to shut down ORBS, only to remove a few defamatory listings. - ask -- ask bjoern hansen, http://ask.netcetera.dk/ !try; do();

Re: ORBS, and RFC-ignorant blacklists

2001-06-04 Thread Piotr Kasztelowicz
On Sun, 3 Jun 2001, Peter van Dijk wrote: Furthermore, Alan Brown's activities are not illegal - the ORBS relaytester runs in The Netherlands, where this is not illegal by any law. Maybe in Netherlands is not illegal, but in Netherlands even euthanasia is legal by any law, in other countries

Re: ORBS, and RFC-ignorant blacklists

2001-06-04 Thread Alex Pennace
On Mon, Jun 04, 2001 at 09:17:28AM +0200, Piotr Kasztelowicz wrote: On Sun, 3 Jun 2001, Peter van Dijk wrote: Furthermore, Alan Brown's activities are not illegal - the ORBS relaytester runs in The Netherlands, where this is not illegal by any law. Maybe in Netherlands is not illegal,

Re: ORBS, and RFC-ignorant blacklists

2001-06-04 Thread Mark
On Mon, Jun 04, 2001 at 09:17:50AM +0200, Piotr Kasztelowicz allegedly wrote: On Sun, 3 Jun 2001, Peter van Dijk wrote: Furthermore, Alan Brown's activities are not illegal - the ORBS relaytester runs in The Netherlands, where this is not illegal by any law. Maybe in Netherlands is

Re: ORBS, and RFC-ignorant blacklists

2001-06-04 Thread David Means
Besides, ORBS is dead! http://www.orbs.org/ Or, is that the wrong site? David Mark wrote: On Mon, Jun 04, 2001 at 09:17:50AM +0200, Piotr Kasztelowicz allegedly wrote: On Sun, 3 Jun 2001, Peter van Dijk wrote: Furthermore, Alan Brown's activities are not illegal - the ORBS

Re: ORBS, and RFC-ignorant blacklists

2001-06-04 Thread Piotr Kasztelowicz
On Mon, 4 Jun 2001, Alex Pennace wrote: Can you please get over this? The evidence you posted last year was flawed, it did not link ORBS to a few probes from Romania. You have no proof that ORBS is somehow worse than any other list of IPs. 1) My host was by me secured (qmail+tcpserver with

Re: ORBS, and RFC-ignorant blacklists

2001-06-04 Thread Peter van Dijk
On Mon, Jun 04, 2001 at 05:06:52PM -0400, David Means wrote: Besides, ORBS is dead! http://www.orbs.org/ Or, is that the wrong site? That is the right site, and ORBS is indeed currently dead. Greetz, Peter.

Re: ORBS, and RFC-ignorant blacklists

2001-06-03 Thread Piotr Kasztelowicz
Hello Alan Brown, operator of ORBS, was served 2 New Zealand High Court injunctions ordering the removal of several OBRS listings. The compalies who filed for these injunctions are Actrix and NZ Telecom. I have written to this list one year ago, Allan Brown activity is illegal, moreover hi

Re: ORBS, and RFC-ignorant blacklists

2001-06-03 Thread Peter van Dijk
On Sun, Jun 03, 2001 at 11:25:10AM +, Piotr Kasztelowicz wrote: Hello Alan Brown, operator of ORBS, was served 2 New Zealand High Court injunctions ordering the removal of several OBRS listings. The compalies who filed for these injunctions are Actrix and NZ Telecom. I have written

Re: ORBS, and RFC-ignorant blacklists

2001-06-01 Thread Johan Almqvist
* Alex Pennace [EMAIL PROTECTED] [010601 04:25]: http://www.orbs.org/ says Due to circumstances beyond our control, the ORBS website is no longer available. http://www.dorkslayers.com/ seems to be the successor in some ways. But the first statement It is our intention to never list IP

Re: ORBS, and RFC-ignorant blacklists

2001-06-01 Thread David Talkington
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Alex Pennace wrote: http://www.orbs.org/ says Due to circumstances beyond our control, the ORBS website is no longer available. That seems pretty abrupt. Anyone know why they vanished? -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP 6.5.8 Comment: Made with

Re: ORBS, and RFC-ignorant blacklists

2001-06-01 Thread Johan Almqvist
* David Talkington [EMAIL PROTECTED] [010601 09:29]: Alex Pennace wrote: http://www.orbs.org/ says Due to circumstances beyond our control, the ORBS website is no longer available. That seems pretty abrupt. Anyone know why they vanished? legalese Alan Brown, operator of ORBS, was served 2

ORBS, and RFC-ignorant blacklists

2001-05-31 Thread Alex Pennace
http://www.orbs.org/ says Due to circumstances beyond our control, the ORBS website is no longer available. http://www.rfc-ignorant.org/ is an RBL-like blacklist of domains that think RFC conformance is for wimps. Currently they list domains that refuse mail from (null sender) and refuse mail