Dave, I think we will be reacquainted with many who have gone before us and I
also think we will experience intense joy. My opinion, and it is based on my
faith, life experiences and of others stories about experiencing it and I do
know that is very controversial. DT
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Dave,
Corey June is a beautiful little girl & big sister. She also looks a lot like
her Bampa.
Lindaf
I would not give my own life for that reason. Guess that's why it's
more difficult for me to so easily justify using an embryonic life
for that reason. I believe in an afterlife but I'm not in any hurry
to see it, even if it would benefit others.
I also have no intention of signing up for any
I would give my life for a cure of others to wipe out SCI.
Lindaf
I like to think I would make the sacrifice of my frustrating existence here
if it would mean that no one would ever have to put up with SCI like I have.
It becomes even easier when I think of my _grand daughter _
(http://ocgrands.com/cj/index.html) - I'd make the gift for her in a heart
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You wouldn’t be alone Bobbie I’d have no problem leaving this world knowing
that I helped billions from
Hi Jim,
Those "indoctrinated" by the public school system after the mid 70's
are clueless to the fine distinction concerning "morality".
They grew up in a world of ever increasing encroachments by the left
regarding abortion etc.
A woman socioligist warned of the loss of moral distinctions to futu
no deity at all...? really..? you know someone that believes all of
creation and life and the whole universe is just a chance happening and that
after
we die physically, there is nothingness for us..? i find that pretty hard
to comprehend. if no one had a deity to use as an excuse
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a commie. nuff said..
john
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Would you volunteer your life for the other 6 billion of us in the world?
Yep, in a heart beat. If I had THAT choice and not live another day as a
quad?
Bobbie
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Not everyone believes in the same deity, anyway. Not everyone believes in any
deity or deities. Take the mythology out of the equation, and a lot more
things would be possible, I think. I'm not knocking anyone's beliefs or ideas
about religion, I wouldn't do that, but look at how much hypocri
Human life must be sacred, look how much we spend to destroy it!
john
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If human life is not sacred then what the heck is? If a human acts as a
one egg the price
would drop a lot. If they aren't paying for storage then the other embryos are
probably in a local sewer.
john
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I hope you're kidding.
Dan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Yes, yes, yes! We must not destroy all those useless fertilized eggs. We should
l
I think the excess eggs should be served at communion. Like the caviar of
Christ or something. Maybe add a caudacill from Mary
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So what do you
ill people that kill to stop the
killing of others, why haven't we killed G. W. Bush?
john
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Human life is sacred and an embryo is the initia
john
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Glad to see you partly agree with me Dan. (yes I realize you were being
sarcastic) I don't agree with the part
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>away. Its just wrong! We are in wheelchairs to punish our souls?!
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SIX STEM CELL FACTS
The public discussion of human embryo research has too often lacked
intellectual honesty, which has only compounded the confusion of an issue of
great scientific and moral complexity
Would you volunteer your life for the other 6 billion of us in the world?
Yep, in a heart beat. If I had THAT choice and not live another day as a
quad?
Bobbie
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No Dave I would not give my life to improve everyone else's life.
People can live a long life with SCI and Parkensons. It may not
always be pleasant but it is a life. If people can't handle it they
can freely chose to take their own life. Everyone only gets one.
I would not want the cure for m
but science and research could save the
suffering of millions and they’re the killers!
Mark Jackson
RollinOn
From: Jim Lubin [_ mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] (mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]) ]
Sent: Sunday, April 08, 2007 3:11 PM
To: Dan; quad-list@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: [QUAD-L] Six Stem Cel
All this sure was easier (philosophically anyway) in the old days when
playing with God's work wasn't possible. All medicine - treatments -
procedures -
are fiddling with HIS design and work. It's pretty tough to 'half-learn'
anything once you get started. HE didn't make us with the
boy, I sure wish we could get a gimp into the white house. I thought for
sure superman could get things going.
Dave
In a message dated 4/7/2007 6:18:34 P.M. US Mountain Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
SIX STEM CELL FACTS
The public discussion of human embryo research h
At 07:54 PM 4/8/2007 -0700, Jim Lubin said something that elicited my response:
>At 05:50 PM 4/8/2007, Dan wrote:
>>At 05:29 PM 4/8/2007 -0700, Jim Lubin said something that elicited my
>>response:
>>
>>>Risking a life and taking a chance is not the same as willfully terminating
>>>a life. I
Why wouldn't some people want to help people? Who says they wouldn't be helping
people that they cared about? I can see motivation. I don't think everyone is
all about money. Put all the negative cost ideas aside, why wouldn't you want
the chance? Why wouldn't you want future generations to
That's why they wait to see if you're going to be brain dead. No
consciousness. No consciousness = no life. Consciousness = some type of life.
They wanted my organs, too. They want everybody's organs.
Jim Lubin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: No difference by your definition of
life, having
because the dirty work has already been done,
unless you don’t see it as life.
Mark Jackson
RollinOn
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From: Jim Lubin [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Sunday, April 08, 2007 7:30 PM
To: RollinOn; 'Dan'; quad-list@eskimo.com
Subject: RE: [QUAD-L] Six Stem Cell Facts
If it's not me getting murdered in the inner city why should I care? Dan T.
Angie Novak <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: What if your cousin's son had a disease
or suffered a spinal cord injury? Wouldn't you want any treatment possible to
be available to him to stop his agony? I know I would for my
If human life is not sacred then what the heck is? If a human acts as a
derelict, this does not make his humanness unsacred. His life is sacred his
behavior is another story and a civil society respects his humanness by not
executing him and removes him from society. Dan T.
Jim Lubin <[EMAIL
At 05:50 PM 4/8/2007, Dan wrote:
At 05:29 PM 4/8/2007 -0700, Jim Lubin said something that elicited
my response:
Risking a life and taking a chance is not the same as willfully
terminating a life. I wasn't happy that she was doing IVF because I
don't agree with it. I also wasn't paying the th
Not to make light of a serious situation, but this issue is being clouded by
both facts and some.
I'm easily confused by some of those "facts."
W
In a message dated 4/8/2007 1:04:36 P.M. Central Daylight Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
I am against the whole IVF process that creates ex
more or less regardless of any laws being passed, meaning all
>>this work and uproar and not one life saved but science and research could
>>save the suffering of millions and theyre the killers!
>>
>>Mark Jackson
>> RollinOn
>>
>>
>>From: Jim Lubi
inOn
From: Jim Lubin [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Sunday, April 08, 2007 3:11 PM
To: Dan; quad-list@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: [QUAD-L] Six Stem Cell Facts
Dan,
Her eggs were harvested then fertilized with her husbands sperms,
this resulted in 8 embryos. Four were implanted in uterus, all 4
fai
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From: Jim Lubin [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Sunday, April 08, 2007 4:54 PM
To: Angie Novak; Quad-list@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: [QUAD-L] Six Stem Cell Facts
No difference by your definition of life, having a consciousness.
A human of 50-150 cells is going to die anyway. I don't consider
the killers!
Mark Jackson
RollinOn
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From: Jim Lubin [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Sunday, April 08, 2007 3:11 PM
To: Dan; quad-list@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: [QUAD-L] Six Stem Cell Facts
Dan,
Her eggs were harvested then fert
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From: Jim Lubin [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Sunday, April 08, 2007 3:11 PM
To: Dan; quad-list@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: [QUAD-L] Six Stem Cell Facts
Dan,
Her eggs were harvested then fertilized with her husbands sperms, this
resulted in 8 embryos. Four were implanted in uterus, all
No difference by your definition of life, having a consciousness.
A human of 50-150 cells is going to die anyway. I don't consider it a
life, so take parts of it before it dies to possibly improve my life.
Why not let the death serve a purpose?
This guy just suddenly stopped breathing. If we
At 01:11 PM 4/8/2007 -0700, Jim Lubin said something that elicited my response:
>Dan,
>
>Her eggs were harvested then fertilized with her husbands sperms, this
>resulted in 8 embryos. Four were implanted in uterus, all 4 failed to develop
>and she had a miscarriage. Several month later she had
The very embryos that we're talking about, are not going to survive in the
first place. They will never be put in a womb to see if they will survive.
They aren't babies, just 50-150 life-saving and life changing cells. Why don't
more people see that?
-Angie
Jim Lubin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrot
Dan,
Her eggs were harvested then fertilized with her husbands sperms,
this resulted in 8 embryos. Four were implanted in uterus, all 4
failed to develop and she had a miscarriage. Several month later she
had 3 more implanted and those failed to develop.
How could anyone possibly equate a mi
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From: Dan [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Sunday, April 08, 2007 10:05 AM
To: quad-list@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: [QUAD-L] Six Stem Cell Facts
So what do you do with the thousands of excess fertilized eggs that result
from in vitro fertilization? Store them forever? Ban the process? These
At 11:01 AM 4/8/2007 -0700, Jim Lubin said something that elicited my response:
>I am against the whole IVF process that creates excess embryos to begin with.
>On a side note, my cousin just gave birth to a son last week. He was the
>result of IVF from her egg and her husband's sperm. They ha
An eight-month-old fetus is very different from an embryo. That's why there
are laws against abortion after a certain time. No, I don't see a problem with
using what I don't consider a human life to better myself and anyone like us.
We're different than 50-150 cells that are going to be destr
Angie,
I do respect your opinion, even if I don't agree with it. You at
least state that you define "a life" as having a consciousness. I am
not aware if an 8 month old fetus has a consciousness or not but I
would consider that stage of development a life. That is why I define
a human life fro
What if your cousin's son had a disease or suffered a spinal cord injury?
Wouldn't you want any treatment possible to be available to him to stop his
agony? I know I would for my nephew.
How is it self-centered to want to be in control of your body, something you
had before your spinal cord
Everyone is entitled to their opinion, of course. But look at some of the
people around, can we really say that all human life is precious? I can't.
There are just some people living their lives out there walking around and
breathing that don't deserve to be. However, these are people, not j
I am against the whole IVF process that creates excess embryos to begin with.
The frozen embryos can continued to be stored
indefinitely. What's wrong with that? Are you
concerned about the energy being used to keep
them frozen? The embryos that are unfrozen
eventually die a natural death, ju
I hope you're kidding.
Dan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Yes, yes, yes! We must not destroy all those
useless fertilized eggs. We should let them perish on their own and then we
should have an elaborate funeral and bury them in a tiny little plot of earth.
AND we must not allow abortion at ANY co
So what do you do with the thousands of excess fertilized eggs that result from
in vitro fertilization? Store them forever? Ban the process? These excess eggs
are thrown into the garbage everyday yet I don't hear anyone complaining. So
what's your answer.
Dan
At 07:50 PM 4/7/2007 -0700, Jim
Human life is sacred and an embryo is the initial stage of life. I would like
to be up and around and Independent but not at the sacrifice of another human
life. Dan T.
Dan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Yes, yes, yes! We must not destroy all those
useless fertilized eggs. We should let them per
Glad to see you partly agree with me Dan. (yes I realize you were
being sarcastic) I don't agree with the part about having elaborate
funerals and burying them, but yes we must not destroy unused
fertilized eggs created for IVF treatments.
Using unused embryos is not the same as organ donation
Yes, yes, yes! We must not destroy all those useless fertilized eggs. We should
let them perish on their own and then we should have an elaborate funeral and
bury them in a tiny little plot of earth. AND we must not allow abortion at ANY
cost. Thank you Jesus! Hallelujah!
Dan, who always gives
SIX STEM CELL FACTS
The public discussion of human embryo research has too often lacked
intellectual honesty, which has only compounded the confusion of an
issue of great scientific and moral complexity, say Robert P. George
professor of jurisprudence at Princeton University and a member of
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