The new radio shows a different (more recent) firmware version than that
of my original radio and both say that they are upto date. Does the UE
Radio converted to SB have to run on a slightly different firmware
version?
Yes. Newer UESRs come with some minor hardware changes which require the
u
I picked up a UE Radio for my youngest daughter whilst in the States
last week on business. It upgraded to the latest UE firmware as soon as
I switched it on. I then chose the option to upgrade it to a SB Radio
which it then completed without issue.
The new radio shows a different (more recent) f
I' m having issues with deezer and spotify, now i've discovered that
when i turn off my smart radio downgraded to squeezebox problems go
away, what's the problem? Incomoatibility? Or a local network issue? It
has worked until yesterday
Touchx3,Boomx2,1 radio, 1 classic!Squeezebox Server 7.7
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Nothing like that with any of mine.
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SB Radio
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michaeldx wrote:
> so I figured I'd ask here first to see if everybody has experienced this
> hissing sound and that I'm not the only one.
>
*No hiss here. *
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Hi, I just received my new squeezebox radio and the upgrade (downgrade)
from UE to Squeezebox went smoothly. *However* I noticed an* immediate
hissing sound* on the radio that it wasn't there before I performed the
downgrade. Also sometimes when I push the "back" button, the hissing
sound becomes
FickleLife wrote:
> So you can, out of the box, buy a UE Radio and have it automatically
> "downgrade" (upgrade) to a squeezebox?
Correct
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So you can, out of the box, buy a UE Radio and have it automatically
"downgrade" (upgrade) to a squeezebox?
I'm now in the market for a UE Radio.
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For what it's worth...
The UE Radio was waiting for me when I got home.
Plugged it in and connected to Wi-Fi.
Automatically updated firmware without prompting.
Selected the Switch to Squeezebox option.
Updated firmware and restarted.
Had to connect to Wi-Fi again and enter my mysqueezebox.com cr
I recently got approval (from the wife) to get another SB Radio for the
kitchen - as long as it wasn't red! The only Black one available was a
UE version from Amazon. I ordered it on the basis that I would be able
to officially convert to SB firmware and be supported by Logitech.
Amazon shows the
Your not the only one with this problem. I am also having this problem.
To those that ask, yes the radio does have the latest UE firmware.
What exact revision?
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Bought a new UE to convert, but the official conversion process doesn't
work -- just reboots as a UE. 45 minutes on-line with Logitech support
yielded nada.
Did you do the reboot right after you told it to convert? Did you receive a UE
firmware update before you run this migration?
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geoffreymbrown wrote:
> Bought a new UE to convert, but the official conversion process doesn't
> work -- just reboots as a UE. 45 minutes on-line with Logitech support
> yielded nada.
Your not the only one with this problem. I am also having this problem.
To those that ask, yes the radio does
geoffreymbrown wrote:
> Bought a new UE to convert, but the official conversion process doesn't
> work -- just reboots as a UE. 45 minutes on-line with Logitech support
> yielded nada.
Have you installed the latest UE firmware before trying the conversion?
Touch + Cambridge Audio 651R & DAC
bklaas wrote:
> This is a pretty stunning announcement, in that Logitech not only did
> something to appease the angry masses by allowing them to "upgrade" (my
> term) a UE Radio to Squeezebox software, but they are putting their
> necks out by implicitly saying that UE Smart Radio might have bee
It's great and sad at the same time. For me, it shows that Logitech
won't probably do any development on both platforms anymore. Better to
give the possibility to UE users to have a back up plan if UE SR ends.
The Squeezebox community is far stronger...
Slim SB3 + Cambridge Audio 651R + Cambrid
Ah. Not the same thing, though (not immediately visible to others) and
also not available in Tapatalk :)
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pippin wrote:
> Where's that "like" button when you need it:)
>
I believe you are looking for the already existing reputation star in
lower left corner of each post in the forum.
Erland Isaksson ('My homepage' (http://erland.isaksson.info))
(Developer of 'many plugins/applets (both free and c
All our dreams can come true, if we have the courage to pursue them.
~ Walt Disney
(Just in case I stocked up 3 Radio's and 2 Touches, so I'm all set for a
while.)
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Now bring back the Touch and we'll all forget this ever happened. I
promise I won't mock you, Logitech. Just do it.
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Michael, the announcement reads at least slightly confusing. Does
"Switch to Squeezebox" mean "Download and Install Squeezebox firmware"
or "Connect my UE Radio to mysqueezebox.com"?
It reads "Install SB firmware". It will forget it's ever been a smart
radio. Only the logo on the device will r
Huh, this is a real interesting development. If any new UE hardware is
released, it will be interesting to see if this carries through. Maybe
a Boom II modeled after the radio that would work with squeezebox
server?
Rich
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Where's that "like" button when you need it:)
For me, the most stunning thing about this, though, is the fact that
they keep around BOTH options!
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buffettck wrote:
> Okay... So, how exactly does that help existing SBR owners that already
> run Squeezebox? That's the server app everyone is worried about going
> down. Getting US Smart Radio owners to switch to Squeezebox won't help
> one bit if/when that happens.
For one it means you can
mherger wrote:
> http://forums.logitech.com/t5/MySqueezebox-com-Squeezebox/An-update-to-the-Logitech-UE-Smart-Radio/td-p/1051331
>
> Free your music!
This is a pretty stunning announcement, in that Logitech not only did
something to appease the angry masses of by allowing them to "upgrade"
(my
mherger wrote:
> http://forums.logitech.com/t5/MySqueezebox-com-Squeezebox/An-update-to-the-Logitech-UE-Smart-Radio/td-p/1051331
>
> Free your music!
Okay... So, how exactly does that help existing SBR owners that already
run Squeezebox? That's the server app everyone is worried about going
d
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RichieB wrote:
> +1 for the fail comment. Buy an iPhone or iPad and try using it without
> creating an Apple ID (which uses an Apple website). The same goes for
> Android and a Google account. Welcome to the cloud.
+ another 1 on the fail comment. I am hoping that Logitech realizes they
have a s
RichieB wrote:
> +1 for the fail comment. Buy an iPhone or iPad and try using it without
> creating an Apple ID (which uses an Apple website). The same goes for
> Android and a Google account. Welcome to the cloud.
Exactly. While I know it *can* be done, I shouldn't have to do it via
some clunk
+1 for the fail comment. Buy an iPhone or iPad and try using it without
creating an Apple ID (which uses an Apple website). The same goes for
Android and a Google account. Welcome to the cloud.
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Osamede wrote:
> Truth is nobody cares if they end "MySqueezebox".
Fail. I CARE. It works and it works well. I also PAID for the use of
the service, as did we ALL when we purchased the SBR. :rolleyes:
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buffettck wrote:
> I emailed Logitech about this very thing a while back and they actually
> responded. They said they had no plans to "end" mysqueezebox. But,
> that also might mean jack sheeyat if there were an implied "at this
> time" which, obviously, went unwritten in their email reply...T
I emailed Logitech about this very thing a while back and they actually
responded. They said they had no plans to "end" mysqueezebox. But,
that also might mean jack sheeyat if there were an implied "at this
time" which, obviously, went unwritten in their email reply...
Is there any updated news about Squeezebox? The last time I checked
this forum thread, I saw something about the service to be supported at
least until 6-12 months; which isn't that encouraging. I, like many
I don't know where this number came from, but it's obviously wrong: there
are legal
mkanet wrote:
> Is there any updated news about Squeezebox? The last time I checked
> this forum thread, I saw something about the service to be supported at
> least until 6-12 months; which isn't that encouraging. I, like many
> others have a significant investment in my Squeezebox home networ
Is there any updated news about Squeezebox? The last time I checked
this forum thread, I saw something about the service to be supported at
least until 6-12 months; which isn't that encouraging. I, like many
others have a significant investment in my Squeezebox home network with
several SB clien
slimfast wrote:
> The SB Radio works great as an internet radio using a standard
> Squeezebox server or the online mysqueezebox.com even if you don't want
> to do any of the other things that are possible with the Squeezebox
> technology .. switching to the UE system and dropping Squeezebox just
bklaas wrote:
>
> Amongst existing European users, simple internet radio was the single
> most important feature, particularly the BBC. In the U.S., by contrast,
> it was by far Pandora. Local music use was harder to understand, but
> knowing that its use was shrinking was enough to doom it to i
dave77 wrote:
> I'd agree that would have been a good idea. Did Logitech ever consider
> something like the Sonos Bridge, eg a little device with SBS on to
> plugin to their router
My understanding of the way SONOS works is that there is *not* a similar
program to SbS/LMS running on a computer a
bklaas wrote:
>
>
> For the record, I lobbied hard against mysb.com registration/sign-in
> during setup. My proposed user experience was to defer any mysb.com
> registration or sign-in until trying to access something that required
> it (e.g., click on My Apps, and if you don't have mysb.com co
bklaas wrote:
>
> I spent literally months trying to get the alarm in a hardened state. If
> it's been screwed up again, sheesh they should just pull the feature. A
> faulty alarm is MUCH worse than the feature not being there at all.
>
It's kind of weird. It really looks like they've gone back
bklaas wrote:
> Podcasts...they get probably 50% of my listening time at home on my
> squeezeboxes now, and that's even with the general ignorance the device
> has for how to deliver a podcast UI. If squeezebox had both automatic
> and manual bookmarking and quick 30 second rewind/ffwd and a reas
pippin wrote:
> You forgot the "we-screwed-up-even-stuff-that-worked-before" aspect,
> which is probably the worst one if you look at the user comments. Who
> needs a working alarm? Bah, people don't listen to podcasts anymore!
> Everybody must have an iPhone or Android these days! You don't need
bklaas wrote:
> Ah, I see. Then I concede that they got this part correct. I think I let
> the "will-not-play-anything-without-working-internet-connection" thing,
> and the
> "doesn't-work-with-squeezebox-for-no-technical-reason-other-than-we-want-to-kill-squeezebox"
> thing, and the
> "we-haven'
pippin wrote:
> Hm, but the Smart Radio does exactly what you propose. You do NOT have
> to register it to play radio. Plus it gets a lot easier because you
> don't have to enter any registration data on the device itself. The
> "out-of-the-box" experience with the Smart Radio is not bad. What's
Hm, but the Smart Radio does exactly what you propose. You do NOT have
to register it to play radio. Plus it gets a lot easier because you
don't have to enter any registration data on the device itself. The
"out-of-the-box" experience with the Smart Radio is not bad. What's bad
is what follows the
chill wrote:
> If you've got a Squeezebox remote control, press AND HOLD the left arrow
> when the MySB login screen comes up and it takes you to the home screen,
> from where you can set up your LMS IP address. I believe there's also a
> way to do this without the remote but I can't recall for
garym wrote:
> Once initially setup, you don't need mysb.com or even an Internet
> connection for local music. There's a way for skipping initial
> registration with mysb.com but I can't recall the steps.
If you've got a Squeezebox remote control, press AND HOLD the left arrow
when the MySB logi
Vanye64 wrote:
> Hope I don't repeat some older entry,
> but I tried to get my squeezebox touch running connected with a small PC
> over crosslink cable.
> Then I found out that the SBT won't run at all if no connection to
> Mysqueezebox.com is available.
>
> The image that comes to my mind is:
Hope I don't repeat some older entry,
but I tried to get my squeezebox touch running connected with a small PC
over crosslink cable.
Then I found out that the SBT won't run at all if no connection to
Mysqueezebox.com is available.
The image that comes to my mind is: Logitech turns off the
Mysquee
wcndave wrote:
> ... I still think they have dropped the millions of ppl who match
> the above criteria and were ready to go media-less
>
> The touch sold amazingly well with zero marketing!
They won't release sales figures, but sales of SB players in the
millions is highly unlikely. The
wcndave wrote:
> I am not sure that it was just enthusiasts who were dropped here. I
> would say its anyone who had a decent cd collection, or has a living
> room stereo and a kitchen/bedroom boombox.
>
> For me this covers nearly everyone!
>
> Sonos, there are a few things apart from the pric
I am not sure that it was just enthusiasts who were dropped here. I
would say its anyone who had a decent cd collection, or has a living
room stereo and a kitchen/bedroom boombox.
For me this covers nearly everyone!
Sonos, there are a few things apart from the price i did not like when
last i c
erland wrote:
> Yes, the people on this forum is no longer the ones Logitech want to
> sell UE Smart Radio to. We are music enthusiasts and that's no longer
> Logitech's main target.
>
>
> You can probably get used ones on eBay and similar sites, but I
> understand your frustration, we all feel
wcndave wrote:
>
> Some posters were saying some categories don't exist much anymore,
> however i suspect that the latter two are both high growth potential,
> and Squeeze was the only one that handled them all in a complete house
> system.
>
> Therefore reducing the range to the one item that
RichieB wrote:
> With iPeng on iOS you get a mobile player as an optional in-app
> purchase. Works really well. There is also iPeng UE, but I'm not sure it
> also has this feature.
> http://penguinlovesmusic.de/ipeng-the-iphone-skin-for-squeezecenter/
iPeng UE currently does NOT have the playbac
erland wrote:
> UE Smart Radio isn't designed for people like you... So as long as 2B is
> a "yes" in your example Logitech has successfully provided what their
> target user for UE Smart Radio is interested inSmart Radio isn't a
> Squeezebox and it will never be a Squeezebox (unless you manu
With iPeng on iOS you get a mobile player as an optional in-app
purchase. Works really well. There is also iPeng UE, but I'm not sure it
also has this feature.
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wcndave wrote:
>
> Here's what I see the needs to be source wise:
>
> 1. Local music ripped and stored on PC / NAS
> 2. Listen to Internet Radio
> 3. Listen through services like LastFM
> 4. Upload your collection online so you always have it wherever you are
>
> Then you have "how" we listen
At this point you need to shell out $700 or build your own!
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garym wrote:
> don't panic. All your stuff will still work. The only current issue
> I see is that the future hardware might not be compatible with existing
> hardware. In terms of LMS and your own music. This can work forever
> without logitech's intervention.
As noted else
I'm not happy about the fact that one day I'll buy a new computer with
an updated os and will most likely find lms to be broken. I'm not sure
how I'll listen to my music.
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Sinkdrain wrote:
> I'm not happy about the fact that one day I'll buy a new computer with
> an updated os and will most likely find lms to be broken. I'm not sure
> how I'll listen to my music.
keep the old computer, running the old OS, as your music server. Or
even install VORTEXBOX on your ol
pippin wrote:
> Well, you could use iPeng UE which still has that capability :D
Thx, Pippin... I'll look into that!
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toby10 wrote:
> Just the tip of the iceberg in missing features, those two being the
> least missed of any/all absent features. :).
...the ability to add my own URL to Favorites via MySqueezebox.com...
This is how I add most of my Favorites. The prepackaged services like
Radio I/O don't interes
erland wrote:
> Honestly, I can't say I'll miss these two particular apps very much,
> always felt like a marketing trick to get more users by being able to
> put a Facebook/Twitter compatible sticker on the box. Still, based on
> that, it's a bit strange that they chose to remove them in the UE
chipmalee wrote:
> From their app list, looks like Facebook and Flickr apps are gone...
Just the tip of the iceberg in missing features, those two being the
least missed of any/all absent features. :).
toby10's Profi
chipmalee wrote:
> From their app list, looks like Facebook and Flickr apps are gone.
> http://ue.logitech.com/en-gb/articles/smart-radio-services
>
Honestly, I can't say I'll miss these two particular apps very much,
always felt like a marketing trick to get more users by being able to
put a Fa
chipmalee wrote:
> Another question...what happens when a radio station changes their URL?
> Who updates the URLs, like when Clear Channel and CBS blocked their
> streams. It's the squeezebox team (Andy, Michaels, etc.) that made the
> changes, not TuneIn, right? So no budget equals no mainten
Another question...what happens when a radio station changes their URL?
Who updates the URLs, like when Clear Channel and CBS blocked their
streams. Now, it's the squeezebox team (Andy, Michaels, etc.) not
TuneIn, right? No team, no maintenance.
It's still TuneIn.
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toby10 wrote:
> much fewer features than SB.
>From their app list, looks like the Facebook and Flickr apps are gone.
http://ue.logitech.com/en-gb/articles/smart-radio-services
Another question...what happens when a radio station changes their URL?
Who updates the URLs, like when Clear Channel
TiredLegs wrote:
> It doesn't do anything you can't do on your own server.)
well, without mysb.com we would still need some way of making
connections to premium streaming services like MOG, SiriusXM, Pandora
(i.e. things that require some sort of authentication). It is true that
Triode's 3rd P
buffettck wrote:
> I keep hearing rumors that Logitech will dump server support for SBRs.
> I don't know, nor have I heard, anything about 3rd party people
> maintaining it. Since I only use my SBR for streaming purposes, that
> feature going away would effectively make it useless to me.
The on
buffettck wrote:
> I keep hearing rumors that Logitech will dump server support for SBRs.
> I don't know, nor have I heard, anything about 3rd party people
> maintaining it. Since I only use my SBR for streaming purposes, that
> feature going away would effectively make it useless to me.
Um,
TiredLegs wrote:
> What's there for them to nuke? You have existing functional firmware for
> the SB, and existing functional server software. You're not required to
> "upgrade" to any future releases. The only real concern is that some
> future operating system (Windows 13?) won't be compatible
buffettck wrote:
> Same here. If they nuke my SB to where it won't work anymore, I'll
> never buy another Logitech product again and I will discourage everyone
> I can from doing so, as well.
What's there for them to nuke? You have existing functional firmware for
the SB, and existing functional
autopilot wrote:
> RIP Squeezebox. You served me well for many years. I guess my current
> devices will still be usual for a while yet, but Sonos here I come...
Same here. If they nuke my SB to where it won't work anymore, I'll
never buy another Logitech product again and I will discourage ever
chipmalee wrote:
> ... Is SqueezeRadio going to stay while the Boom, the Touch are
> going to be gone?
No, SqueezeBox Radio is gone as well, already discontinued. UE Radio
uses different servers, local and online, much fewer features than SB.
Both SB and UE Radio's can interchange the
Reading more in detail, I'm confused. Is SqueezeRadio going to stay
while the Boom, the Touch are going to be gone? If so, I can understand
why Logi is keeping the SqueezeRadio. I love the album art that flashes
on the radio screen. I've bought my radio everywhere in my
apartmenteven on th
> garym;714547
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djfake wrote:
> Is there an open-source version of LMS, one that isn't maintained by
> Logitech?
Well, the current version is open source and not really maintained by
Logitech... :)
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Is there an open-source version of LMS, one that isn't maintained by
Logitech?
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Only Dutch store that was 'dumping' them was Conrad.nl.
I found them for 219 euro. ['link'
(http://www.conrad.nl/ce/nl/product/325843/?insert=8Y&insertNoDeeplink&productname=Internetradio-Logitech-Squeezebox-Touch-Zwart)].
The price has since gone up again to 229. I used the 219 deal to get a
goo
People were saying they were picking up Squeezebox Touch's cheap, but
all the sales on them I've seen, people are marking them up rather than
down.
The only deal I saw was the white Squeezebox Radio on the Logitech site,
and I bought one... dunno why, I don't like white gadgets, but it'll be
my l
MarkBennett wrote:
> In response, my inner voice says "Fear of a short life is ubiquitous,
> nothing can be certain and all things come to an end in time. Better to
> adore briefly in hope of a long relationship than to tolerate for ever.
> Openness, stimulation and feedback is important in any r
MarkBennett wrote:
> In response, my inner voice says "Fear of a short life is ubiquitous,
> nothing can be certain and all things come to an end in time. Better to
> adore briefly in hope of a long relationship than to tolerate for ever.
> Openness, stimulation and feedback is important in any r
MarkBennett wrote:
>
> BTW, just replace phone with Squeezebox here:
> http://dilbert.com/strips/comic/2009-03-10/
perfect
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In response, my inner voice says "Fear of a short life is ubiquitous,
nothing can be certain and all things come to an end in time. Better to
adore briefly in hope of a long relationship than to tolerate for ever.
Openness, stimulation and feedback is important in any relationship.
There is no dec
Xenthar wrote:
> My oracle narrates the following: First it says you are in a position
> where you want to advance strongly, but opposition is still too strong.
> It is prudent to only move ahead as far as you are certain of your
> success, because a mistake made in the beginning has the largest
Mark.Bennett wrote:
> Probably true. I'm just slightly nervous about placing the order without
> some more thought.
My oracle narrates the following: First it says you are in a position
where you want to advance strongly, but opposition is still too strong.
It is prudent to only move ahead as fa
TheLastMan wrote:
> This is not true. There is no Sonos "server" that needs to run full
> time - it is a lot simpler than Squeezebox in that respect (but also a
> lot less capable).
>
> There is a simple setup program that you use to "point" the players at
> the place where you hold your music
AndreE wrote:
> It sounds like decisive criteria then :-)
Probably true. I'm just slightly nervous about placing the order without
some more thought.
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MarkBennett wrote:
> Interesting points.
> ...
> I also like having a dedicated user interface to the players - while I
> do control the system using iPeng when I'm sitting down for a listening
> session, for casual use I just use the remotes/buttons. Faffing around
> with unlocking my phone/tabl
MarkBennett wrote:
> I understand and appreciate your point. I've still got 10 year-old SB1's
> working (apart from the "rubber" paint having gone sticky) fine, so I'm
> relatively confident about the hardware lifetime. If I buy a couple of
> spares then I'm probably fine for 10 years or so. Also
Xenthar wrote:
> Without server software Sonos can't do any streaming, but it can seek in
> the file on the remote location so that would resemble streaming.
This is not true. There is no Sonos "server" that needs to run full
time - it is a lot simpler than Squeezebox in that respect (but also
AndreE wrote:
> I do not own the house, but was involved into multiple planning projects
> done by friends. Having relatively big apartment and having all my
> equipment distributed across all rooms I would do it differently for my
> place if I would do it again and from scratch.
> The distributi
Xenthar wrote:
> Personally I feel that a system that large (twelve Touches) would be
> unsustainable in the long run compared to the investment you make. By
> that I mean... if hardware starts failing, your entire system will at
> some point go into "degraded" mode; this could be the case when y
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