Re: [SlimDevices: Radio] Why no tuner??

2011-02-05 Thread majones
eganders;607987 Wrote: > I have always assumed that the reason they don't have a "turn off" date > for standard FM radio is automobiles. Physically replacing TV's can > and is done. Actually, the consideration with TV's wasn't the availability of new TV's, rather the availability of cheap set-to

Re: [SlimDevices: Radio] Why no tuner??

2011-02-03 Thread eganders
I have always assumed that the reason they don't have a "turn off" date for standard FM radio is automobiles. Physically replacing TV's can and is being done. But physically replacing every car stereo, plus a whole lot of integrated home stereo systems? That's a problem. If they're going to ha

Re: [SlimDevices: Radio] Why no tuner??

2011-02-03 Thread cliver
Ikabob;607976 Wrote: > I would not use an FM tuner. In my case, the sole reason I began > exploring Internet radio was the general lack of quality am/fm > broadcasts in my locale (sound and content). I am so glad that I found > Internet radio, specifically the Logitech Squeezebox products. I do n

Re: [SlimDevices: Radio] Why no tuner??

2011-02-03 Thread Ikabob
I would not use an FM tuner. In my case, the sole reason I began exploring Internet radio was the general lack of quality am/fm broadcasts in my locale. I am so glad that I found Internet radio, specifically the Logitech Squeezebox products. I do not think I could have made a better choice and I h

Re: [SlimDevices: Radio] Why no tuner??

2011-02-03 Thread Phil Leigh
majones;607923 Wrote: > My wife won't be happy. She's already fed up with my hoard of 12" LPs, > BSB squariels and On Digital set-top boxes, all of which will be > extremely useful one day. A pile of FM radios might just tip her over > the edge... what about 8-tracks? - quad reel-to-reel tapes?

Re: [SlimDevices: Radio] Why no tuner??

2011-02-03 Thread Phil Leigh
majones;607042 Wrote: > That's the plan! Analogue TV has already gone where I live. No it is NOT the plan. Analogue TV switchoff is NOTHING to do with FM switchoff. Please - I've been following this carefully for years. FM switchoff is unlikely to be BEFORE 2020. Indeed, it may not happen for

Re: [SlimDevices: Radio] Why no tuner??

2011-02-03 Thread majones
cliver;607049 Wrote: > I wouldn't ditch all your FM gear and buy up DAB just yet ;-) My wife won't be happy. She's already fed up with my hoard of 12" LPs, BSB squariels and On Digital set-top boxes, all of which will be extremely useful one day. A pile of FM radios might just tip her over the ed

Re: [SlimDevices: Radio] Why no tuner??

2011-01-31 Thread Goodsounds
aubuti;606968 Wrote: > I probably underestimated DSL coverage in the US (and therefore DSL vs > cable competition) in my earlier post, because I don't even think about > DSL any more. In our area it's all cable and fiber optic. Verizon > probably still offers DSL, but I don't know anyone who uses

Re: [SlimDevices: Radio] Why no tuner??

2011-01-31 Thread cliver
majones;607042 Wrote: > That's the plan! Analogue TV has already gone where I live. TV is going digital over the next year or so, mine goes next month. But FM radio is still in the balance. There are certainly no dates for it yet. As you read on this thread DAB has failed to catch on and has bee

Re: [SlimDevices: Radio] Why no tuner??

2011-01-31 Thread andynormancx
majones;607042 Wrote: > That's the plan! Analogue TV has already gone where I live. No it isn't. 2015 was merely an aspiration and they have made it clear that it isn't supposed to happen until DAB coverage equals FM coverage. There is no way they are going to achieve that in the near future.

Re: [SlimDevices: Radio] Why no tuner??

2011-01-31 Thread majones
Phil Leigh;606995 Wrote: > FM is NOT being turned off in 2015! That's the plan! Analogue TV has already gone where I live. -- majones majones's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=13029 View this thre

Re: [SlimDevices: Radio] Why no tuner??

2011-01-31 Thread cliver
Mnyb;606964 Wrote: > eh are we privileged in Sweden ? > > lets see... > > I have 3 kinds off infrastructure to My apartment. > > Cabel TV , can also carry broadband internet from 1 suplier. > > DSL via phone line all Swedish phone supliers can provide services if > they like, no lock in. >

Re: [SlimDevices: Radio] Why no tuner??

2011-01-31 Thread toby10
aubuti;606907 Wrote: > . In many areas there is only one provider, regulated by a public > board. . the biggest stumbling block to utility competition in the US. ;) -- toby10 toby10's Profile: http://forums.slim

Re: [SlimDevices: Radio] Why no tuner??

2011-01-31 Thread Phil Leigh
majones;606510 Wrote: > I agree with you. > > In live in the UK and in a region where FM and DAB quality is > excellent, and I use my SB Radio to access BBC Listen Again broadcasts > and also use it for live broadcasts too. Having a DAB or FM facility > would be great for those times when there

Re: [SlimDevices: Radio] Why no tuner??

2011-01-30 Thread aubuti
I probably underestimated DSL coverage in the US (and therefore DSL vs cable competition) in my earlier post, because I don't even think about DSL any more. In our area it's all cable and fiber optic. Verizon probably still offers DSL, but I don't know anyone who uses it. Even so, 2-3 oligopolisti

Re: [SlimDevices: Radio] Why no tuner??

2011-01-30 Thread Mnyb
eh are we privileged in Sweden ? lets see... I have 3 kinds off infrastructure to My apartment. Cabel TV , can also carry broadband internet from 1 suplier. DSL via phone line all Swedish phone supliers can provide services if they like, no lock in. LAN fiber to the building 100mB Ethernet i

Re: [SlimDevices: Radio] Why no tuner??

2011-01-30 Thread Goodsounds
aubuti;606907 Wrote: > From what has been reported in the business and technology press, I > wouldn't be surprised if the US starts seeing download limits in the > not-too-distant future. This is coming precisely because of the growth > of high volume video and audio services, while some users ar

Re: [SlimDevices: Radio] Why no tuner??

2011-01-30 Thread aubuti
Goodsounds;606877 Wrote: > I'm not sure which direction the trend is going (toward the UK way or > the US way) but I know there would be an uprising in my house if any > limits were imposed. >From what has been reported in the business and technology press, I wouldn't be surprised if the US start

Re: [SlimDevices: Radio] Why no tuner??

2011-01-30 Thread Goodsounds
garym;606815 Wrote: > I suspect a lot of our "preferences" here are somewhat tied to the > differences in bandwidth we're mentioning. I don't know how I'd cope > with the UK limited bandwidth. In my home, we're so used to streaming > 192kb or 128kb radio, streaming movies from netflix, surfing th

Re: [SlimDevices: Radio] Why no tuner??

2011-01-30 Thread Mnyb
Yea the problem is capped bandwith plans ? This is only aviable for mobile 3G where i live ? For home use thats unbearable, for example buy some albums in hirez at hd tracks ? And sone we have TV over internet. -- Mnyb

Re: [SlimDevices: Radio] Why no tuner??

2011-01-30 Thread garym
I suspect a lot of our "preferences" here are somewhat tied to the differences in bandwidth we're mentioning. I don't know how I'd cope with the UK limited bandwidth. In my home, we're so used to streaming 192kb or 128kb radio, streaming movies from netflix, surfing the net, sending and receiving

Re: [SlimDevices: Radio] Why no tuner??

2011-01-30 Thread cliver
andynormancx;606531 Wrote: > In theory it is straight forward. Install the Wave Input plugin. Plug > your radio into the line in on your servers sound card. Create a > favourite pointing at wavein:0 > > In practice there can be some fiddling to do on the Windows audio > control panel to get your

Re: [SlimDevices: Radio] Why no tuner??

2011-01-30 Thread andynormancx
Goodsounds;606597 Wrote: > Do most affordable home internet plans in the UK have download limits? > Yes. -- andynormancx Yes, it will. Yes, all of them. Yes, SoftSqueeze as well. What ? I SAID ALL OF THEM ! andynormanc

Re: [SlimDevices: Radio] Why no tuner??

2011-01-29 Thread eganders
virgiliomi;606608 Wrote: > Since all of the FM stations in my area are online, why would I need a > radio tuner in it? Not that I listen to them anyway... there's much > better content on the internet than there is on the airwaves. Exactly. I would say that about 90% of the radio stations here

Re: [SlimDevices: Radio] Why no tuner??

2011-01-29 Thread virgiliomi
Since all of the FM stations in my area are online, why would I need a radio tuner in it? Not that I listen to them anyway... there's much better content on the internet than there is on the airwaves. -- virgiliomi home: sb boom and duet sb server 7.5.2 on a readynas ultra 2 plus work: sb rad

Re: [SlimDevices: Radio] Why no tuner??

2011-01-29 Thread Goodsounds
Do most affordable home internet plans in the UK have download limits? In the US, most broadcast radio stations can be streamed and most plans don't have download limits. From a marketing perspective, there may be more an issue of the familiarity/technical capability of users to make it work. Bu

Re: [SlimDevices: Radio] Why no tuner??

2011-01-29 Thread andynormancx
majones;606511 Wrote: > PS Ref ISP bandwidth, if you're listening to the BBC live, they > broadcast at a range of bitrates so you could look these up and specify > the lowest rate as a favourite. Even at low bit rates, if you are listening for many hours each day it is easy to run into ISP downl

Re: [SlimDevices: Radio] Why no tuner??

2011-01-29 Thread andynormancx
cliver;606502 Wrote: > Hi Andy, > Could you give me a bit more on how you have acheived this please? > It sounds as if it may be my panacea :-) In theory it is straight forward. Install the Wave Input plugin. Plug your radio into the line in on your servers sound card. Create a favourite pointin

Re: [SlimDevices: Radio] Why no tuner??

2011-01-29 Thread bpa
I have a Griffin Shark2 FM/AM USB tuner plugged into my SBS server so that I can listen the national radio stations as the quality of their internet stream are really bad compared to FM. -- bpa bpa's Profile: http://forums

Re: [SlimDevices: Radio] Why no tuner??

2011-01-29 Thread Mnyb
SadGamerGeek;606515 Wrote: > Another agreement here. Is good quality broadcast radio only available > in the UK? No but DAB is dead everywhere but uk they have tried with dab for a decade in Sweden but alas a comlete failure. So DAB=uk . Also the public service in Sweden SR (Sveriges Radio) who

Re: [SlimDevices: Radio] Why no tuner??

2011-01-29 Thread toby10
I own SB players specifically to avoid AM/FM, I'd guess this is more the norm. But I can understand others wanting such a tuner, especially if bandwidth limited or capped. -- toby10 toby10's Profile: http://forums.slimdevi

Re: [SlimDevices: Radio] Why no tuner??

2011-01-29 Thread SadGamerGeek
majones;606510 Wrote: > I agree with you. > > In live in the UK and in a region where FM and DAB quality is > excellent, and I use my SB Radio to access BBC Listen Again broadcasts > and also use it for live broadcasts too. Having a DAB or FM facility > would be great for those times when there

Re: [SlimDevices: Radio] Why no tuner??

2011-01-29 Thread majones
PS Ref ISP bandwidth, if you're listening to the BBC live, they broadcast at a range of bitrates so you could look these up and specify the lowest rate as a favourite. -- majones majones's Profile: http://forums.slimdevice

Re: [SlimDevices: Radio] Why no tuner??

2011-01-29 Thread majones
cliver;606449 Wrote: > Am I alone in this opinion? I agree with you. In live in the UK and in a region where FM and DAB quality is excellent, and I use my SB Radio to access BBC Listen Again broadcasts and also use it for live broadcasts too. Having a DAB or FM facility would be great for those

Re: [SlimDevices: Radio] Why no tuner??

2011-01-29 Thread cliver
andynormancx;606459 Wrote: > I've resolved that one by using the Wave Input plugin. I have a DAB > radio plugged into my server, all my Squeezeboxes stream from that. > Hi Andy, Could you give me a bit more on how you have acheived this please? It sounds as if it may be my panacea :-) -- cl

Re: [SlimDevices: Radio] Why no tuner??

2011-01-29 Thread cliver
pfarrell;606465 Wrote: > > Am I alone in this opinion? > > I think so. I sure don't want or need an over the air tuner. Where I > live, there is nothing worth listening to on the radio. > > -- > Pat Farrell > http://www.pfarrell.com/ I do have plenty of good OTA radio, especialy DAB. As do pl

Re: [SlimDevices: Radio] Why no tuner??

2011-01-29 Thread Pat Farrell
> Am I alone in this opinion? I think so. I sure don't want or need an over the air tuner. Where I live, there is nothing worth listening to on the radio. -- Pat Farrell http://www.pfarrell.com/ ___ Radio mailing list Radio@lists.slimdevices.com http:

Re: [SlimDevices: Radio] Why no tuner??

2011-01-29 Thread andynormancx
Well it doesn't have a DAB tuner, because then you'd need at least two models as DAB doesn't exist in the US. Your bandwidth would be fine streaming three Radios, unless you have a 512k line (and even then you'd probably be fine as most Internet radio streams are under 128k). Of course, as you h

[SlimDevices: Radio] Why no tuner??

2011-01-29 Thread cliver
I currently have a SB Touch as my main listening device. I would like to expand the system so that the family can listen elsewhere in the house but the touch is overkill for the bedroom or kitchen. The SB Radio would seem perfect at first glance buy Why Oh Why does it not have at least an fm if