Thanks, Steve!
I knew and gave her some of this info but not all of it. I’ll forward your
message to her.
Her bike is a cheap ill fitting step through, with barely enough room to get
her leg through the low top tube (very short effective TT). The seat post was
nearly slammed. Leah and I had
I remember! You had to push it up killer hill. Not a fun day for you. We at
the RBW board got a good story from you about it
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Where on the tube is the puncture? If it's rim-side, check for
misaligned rim tape. If it's tire-side, look for something embedded in
the tire. Nearly invisible wires can get stuck inside a tire,
repeatedly causing punctures in the same place. This is one reason you
always align the valve w
If that rear tire keeps flatting I wonder about the rim tape. Do you remember
when I got new tires on my Betty and the rear tire flatted on my way home from
school? The shop realized the tape wasn’t quite right and that allowed the rim
or whatever to flat the tire. They fixed it, easy. She may h
We’ll have to change the thread name to add “NOT” to the end!
Leah, Debbie had another flat tire today. She called me while walking her bike
back home. Perhaps you can earn that badge fixing her flat. And, there’s bonus
points— it’s the rear tire!
Just kidding, of course, but she really did ha
Leah and Joyce, you both alerted me to wrenching details I've lost as an old
hand at this stuff; things I need to remember when talking bike mechanics to
folks still learning.
"Fixing a flat" is indeed broken up into several steps and doesn't all have be
be learned at once. In Leah's case (no w
Leah, I'd say changing a tube will certainly meet the badge requirement!
Do it on the front wheel if you don't want to get greasy with the rear
derailer. I'm honored to be one of the founding RivSisters! Now the
pressure is on for me to come up with said badge! I'll work on it and then
we'
I really knew you could do it!
Thing is, now that you've done it once, you can do it again.
Tools, don't be afraid to go buy tools, they always pay for themselves.
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Thank you, Joyce! 🥰😘😘😘 I’m so impressed that you have a work stand and work on
your bikes - I never knew. Well, you are the founding Riv Sister and that’s for
sure.
There’s a badge? I didn’t know there was a badge! Ok, when you say fix a flat
do you mean I have to patch it, or just insert a new
Ok I definitely want a badge. Even if it's for RivSisters that's fine I have a
workstand and fix flats badge me! 😋
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Way to go, Leah! You're earning points toward your RivSisters wrenching
badge. Let me know when you've finished the other requirement (fix a flat
tire) and I'll send you the badge. Yeah, now that they know there's a badge
available, others are going to be flocking for one!
I see that a few p
Nice work! I predict you will get a stand in the near future.
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> Well, you all nagged me enough that I begrudgingly went to my garage today.
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> I DID IT And I’m coming here for all the accolades
"You should get a job at REI. Why should they hire you? Because you do things
RIGHT!"
They need a mechanic who DOESN'T LEAVE PARTS OFF. Leah's the one for the job.🔧🔧🔧
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Huzzay! Terrific job. Merle sang this for you:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ezlaua2o-WU
On 4/9/20 8:20 PM, Roberta wrote:
Oh, it looks BE-U-TI-FULL! You should get a job at REI. Why
should they hire you? Because you do things RIGHT!
Roberta
On Thursday, April 9, 2020 at 7:35:4
Leah,
Welcome to the world of bike mechanics 🧰👩🏻🔧. I never want to hear you say you
can’t again; but fully expect to hear you say it is not worth my time and I
would rather pay someone to do so.
So proud of you. You have earned 1 week of ZERO passive aggressive
communication from me. After
Oh, it looks BE-U-TI-FULL! You should get a job at REI. Why should
they hire you? Because you do things RIGHT!
Roberta
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Congratulations, way to go.
Now, quick before you forget how frustrating that was, order yourself a nice
collapsible free standing work stand.
It should last you a lifetime, and will prove well worth the $$. Honest, a
decade from now you will be so glad you did.
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"It was just a lot of howling out there and taking all your names in vain."
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Nice work, bike wrenching person! You nailed it!!! 👏👏👏
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Strongest approval and compliments!
I knew you had it in you, COVID or not!!
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Well, you all nagged me enough that I begrudgingly went to my garage today.
I DID IT And I’m coming here for all the accolades because I HAVE
REALLY BEEN THROUGH IT TODAY.
It was like working with one hand tied behind my back. I have no work
stand. I don’t know how to get the rear wheel of
This also addresses the rear bracket install pretty well.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2NbXxOaqqNI
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> Maybe this will make it easier to visualize:
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> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TNxgtKtu-0c
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> Starting at 4:30 they giv
Maybe this will make it easier to visualize:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TNxgtKtu-0c
Starting at 4:30 they give the sequence for rear fender installation using
a bracket. The VO bracket you have is easily bent to shape, one tab at a
time when it is secired to the seat stay bridge. I have us
Well, funny thing about that. Initially, I was all hand-wringing and desperate
to have that fender made right again. But then I had to go for rides because
it’s what I DO, and because it’s the only good thing I’m allowed to do in these
times and now I’ve forgotten about my fender problems. I don
Leah, any luck getting that fender mounted? I suspect you've a long wait for a
bike shop journey, I'll bet you can get that thing rigged up yourself.
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I read about half of the responses, and don't have anything to add other
than I agree with all the points made, especially that the mechanic was
incompetent. Even if the included bracket didn't reach all the way to the
brake bridge where it is supposed to attach, there could have been a way
for
Steve P's March 19th "paper dolls" post is a good idea. --
Trace the VO bracket on some strong paper.
Cut it out. (But allow the double wings of the metal original to become one
piece for this step.)
Lay it over the fender so that it is centered and the paper template edges
evenly overlap the
Hmmm...well, if that is as you say, I’ll try this tomorrow! With a video first
to make sure I’m not breaking crap, you know...
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> On Mar 27, 2020, at 9:12 PM, masmojo wrote:
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> I can bend it fairly easily with my thumbs just holding it in my hand,
> mounted to the bike and
I can bend it fairly easily with my thumbs just holding it in my hand, mounted
to the bike and using the fender itself as a fulcrum, it should bend even
easier.
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Yes, Joe is right, the bracket is much stiffer than I anticipated. I really
thought I’d be able to bend that sucker into place, but it’s fairly unyielding.
Yes, I can have my husband try to manhandle it, but since it’s so thick I’m
afraid we won’t get bent in the right shape and it will be a rat
That's interesting advice, masmojo. I pictured the bracket being stiffer, but
they're very light so I bet you're right that it should be pretty easy for her
to bend down around the curve of the fender. You can do the job, Leah!
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Leah, terribly sorry I somehow missed this thread otherwise could have solved
your dilemma days ago or in one of the emails I clobbered you with the last
couple days.
I have the black versions of those very same fenders on my Polyvalent. The
mounting point on the Polyvalent is different though
My rear skid story also involves a sweater!
My cool morning sweater was tied around my waist, and slipped down into the
wheel as I was frailin’ my fixed gear down a steep hill onto a bridge. Rear
wheel locks up and slides, I brake hard on the front, and fetch up against the
low guardrail over a
Someone should buy that dang Betty before I decide my custom is still months
away and by golly it's already packed and ready to ship and maybe *I* need
those pretty red hearts! ♥️♥️♥️
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Hi Ana,
Thanks for commiserating with me! I was going to start looking for a new LBS
but then we had a worldwide pandemic, so that’s on hold and that’s why I’m
galavanting around here with one fender. Sometimes I think this bike looks like
it is going around without pants, so I put the rear rac
Leah,
After reading the 70 posts, I already forgot half of what I wanted to comment,
but first I can only commiserate with you and your bikeshopless situation. I,
on the other hand, am lucky to have not one but two very good LBSs nearby. Even
if there is no other bike shop around you, I still s
[Excuse the possible double post -- I replied via email to Eric's
suggestions which appeared in my inbox. Not sure whether that will appear
anywhere in Google Groups! So here it is again:]
The Planet Bike piece that I mentioned would work without any special tools
or holes in the fender, assumi
The Planet Bike piece that I mentioned would work without any tools or holes in
the fender, assuming it is the correct width to fit the profile of the fender.
Same $5 but no shipping cost.
And, no need to remove the rear wheel to fit the part into place!
David Lipsky
> On Mar 19, 2020, at 4:53
I would go for the single hole bracket. Cleaner look, less chance of rattling.
Downside: Need to drill a hole. Benefits from a small piece of leather between
fender and bracket (not included).
--Eric Norris
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> On Mar 19, 2020, at 4:47 PM, Rob
Leah,
I wish I were still there to help. I love doing this type of thing.
To those "in the know," would this be easier for her to do? Pros and cons
vs what they sent her?
https://velo-orange.com/collections/fender-parts/products/vo-single-hole-l-bracket
Roberta
On Thursday, March 19, 20
I think we all should show up at Leah's house and fight over who gets to fix
her fender. SPOILER: I'll win 🏆
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Leah. I have no doubt you can do this, it doesn't require any special
talent or previous experience. If living required previous experience we
couldn't exist in the first place. It's just a bit of pliable metal, think
of it as Gumby without the rubber coating and "assisting" Gumby do some
Yo
You guys all make a lot of sense to me. I see what you’re getting at, David,
and thanks. I’m kind of hand-wringing over here. I may just wait and see if a
true mechanic wants to do this. I can see too many things going wrong. I always
default to thinking things are funny, and it would have been
I saw the video which prompted my response. But, Leah's hesitant about
bending the fender bracket. For $5.00 she may be able to solve this easily.
VO has made it easy on themselves and they make ONE bracket that fits many
fender widths. However the customer then is stuck with setting up the tools
She's got the part already. She showed it in the video. It's the one
that goes with the fender in question, obtained from Velo Orange.
On 3/19/20 5:04 PM, 'Hetchins52' via RBW Owners Bunch wrote:
Let's NOT consider asking anyone to heat up a metal brace to be
red-hot and then attempt to bend
Let's NOT consider asking anyone to heat up a metal brace to be red-hot and
then attempt to bend it around a fender with their hands!
Leah, if you just measure across the fender, edge to edge of the arc,
ignoring the curve, you'll probably get a number in the 60mm range.
Planet Bike is amazing a
Joe, YES. 🤣
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"This is probably the most “woman” answer ever..."
I don't think your 'woman' answer can beat "pretend it's paper dolls" 😂
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A heat gun is basically a souped-up hair dryer and can certainly reach
temperatures of capable of making most metals red hot. Here's an el cheepo
version from Harbor Freight:
https://www.harborfreight.com/1500-Watt-Dual-Temperature-Heat-Gun-63104.html
It may seem like a niche item at first, bu
Those fender brackets aren't horse shoes. They don't need to be heated
red hot and pounded on an anvil to bend. I'm pretty sure if an anvil
had to be involved, VO's instructions would make mention of it. ;-)
Installing the bracket first, then placing the fender in position would
certainly eli
Clearly, you know *nothing* of hair dryers. They are veritable weapons.
It feels so good to have superior knowledge of sorting in this List 🤣,
Leah
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> Is your hair drier powerful enough to get the metal red hot?
It would have to get pretty hot to help though and how are you going to
handle it ? Someone may correct me he as I've not done this either,
but would it make sense to install the bracket on the bike first without
the tire, then place the fenders in the position they were(assuming that
Yes it would somewhat. Someone may correct me he as I've not done this
either, but would it make sense to install the bracket on the bike first
without the tire, then place the fenders in the position they were(assuming
that was the correct height and place), make contact between the two, th
Is your hair drier powerful enough to get the metal red hot?
Image result for hair on fire
On 3/19/20 3:45 PM, Leah Peterson wrote:
This is probably the most “woman” answer ever...but what if I heated
the metal with my hair dryer? Think it would bend much more agreeably?
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This is probably the most “woman” answer ever...but what if I heated the metal
with my hair dryer? Think it would bend much more agreeably?
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> On Mar 19, 2020, at 12:42 PM, Steve Palincsar wrote:
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> It's flat, and to work it needs to wrap over and around a curved fender
It's flat, and to work it needs to wrap over and around a curved fender.
The orientation is obvious: the tab with the hole has to line up with
the hole in the bridge.
So how would you do that?
Afraid to mess with the metal? Trace it and cut yourself out one of
stiff paper. Now make believe
If you’re OK with drilling two little holes in the fender, this would be an
easier solution:
https://www.benscycle.com/gilles-berthoud-rear-caliper-mount-fender-bracket/fender_part_gillesberthoud__230-132_230-132/product
I have this (our similar) on several bikes. If you’re getting fancy, cut
Ok, chickening out here. I don’t want this bent in some wonky way. Just call me
‘Ol One Fender for the foreseeable future. As in, “Did you see “Ol One Fender
pedaling around that giant blue Clem again? Ridiculous. Looks like the bike is
rolling around this neighborhood wearing no pants.”
Wish
Here’s a more user-friendly version of what you have:
https://www.performancebike.com/sks-chromoplastic-fender-parts-7523/p343759?gclid=EAIaIQobChMI6q2Dt5Kn6AIVlPhkCh2MUwD4EAQYBSABEgK-nvD_BwE
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> First s
First step might be to find something round (or half round) like a dowel or
even the tire itself.
You want to change the flat "wings" of the bracket to have a curvature that
will match that of the fender it will wrap around. If you use the tire, it
should be inflated firmly enough that you can p
Well, depending on how the bracket comes, it may be necessary to bend
the prongs down so they fit under the fender edge (some of them come
flattened out like an animal skin) and even if it's already curved you
may have to crimp the edges of the bracket down with a pair of pliers to
keep the bra
You're halfway there now. All you gotta do is slide that bracket on your fender
and put it back on! 👍
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Woo, that was a fascinating read on black ice. That author was talented - I had
to skip ahead and find out what would happen to his daughter.
I looked at my fender and rack and realized they required hex keys, which I
love. I got so far as to get the fender nearly off and realized there is a bol
Steve, we should start such a thread - real crashes and what caused them. I’d
read every last entry.
The noise I heard was definitely part of my bike - I could feel it.
Pretty sure those fender bolts require hex keys - and hex keys are my jam, so
I’ll rip that rear fender right off.
Just gott
On 3/15/20 4:29 PM, Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! wrote:
Robert, wow. Glad to hear you recovered and sorry that this crash had such a
lasting impact on the way you ride. I’m glad you have been able to work through
it (though you clearly have some traumatic effects); it’s inspiring.
Ted and Steve
Robert, wow. Glad to hear you recovered and sorry that this crash had such a
lasting impact on the way you ride. I’m glad you have been able to work through
it (though you clearly have some traumatic effects); it’s inspiring.
Ted and Steve - very interesting tales, and good for us to know about
This reminds me there's gotta be a better way to cover wheels than this. I love
the look, I love the not getting sprayed with stuff on the street, but this
"hope they don't fail" business is for the birds. Birds who like that kind of
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I’ll agree with that Steve.
I can imagine situations where having a rear wheel lock up would be quite
stressful and dangerous, even if you were able to maintain control.
Riding in heavy traffic and crossing major intersections are two situations
that are easy to think of.
Btw- I do still run fende
Can a rear wheel lock up be problematic?
Let me tell you a little story. A few years ago, a colleague at work
wrapped a cast-off sweater around her seat post and rear rack. As she
was riding along, an arm of the sweater came loose. It got wrapped up
in the back wheel, which locked. Her bik
Front fenders are much more problematic than rear ones. A friend of mine
recently picked up a stick with her front tire which lodged under her front
fender. She is now recovering from a broken arm and can’t ride (except on an
indoor trainer). I once had a rear fender accordion up against the rea
Leah,
Steve nailed the synapse of it. Big difference was that it was my front
fender. I didn’t use a nylock nut or something similar to help secure the
fork crown mount. After many, many miles of high speed riding that nut
eventually vibrated loose and the fender dropped and contacted the wheel.
It
Wiggly fender comes in contact with wheel, gets sucked into the space
between the tire and the fork, wheel locks because it's jammed and Bye
Bye Love...
On 3/15/20 1:54 PM, Leah Peterson wrote:
Robert, after hearing that this wiggly fender is an egregious mistake,
I won’t go back to that shop
Robert, after hearing that this wiggly fender is an egregious mistake, I won’t
go back to that shop. Your accident has me a little concerned - I wouldn’t have
known a fender could cause a wreck. Do you mind telling us what happened? I
hope you are ok.
Best,
Leah
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I agree that it is beyond belief that a bike shop would not have the bolt-
not only the bolt, though- it amazes me that they don't have the know-how
and actually allowed a bicycle with an unsecured fender to leave the shop
"as is"
That, to me, is a huge red flag and I would immediately abandon
On 3/13/20 11:33 PM, Leah Peterson wrote:
Ryan is right, as incompetent as I am here, I’m a whiz in the kitchen, but it
was easy to get there with great, prolific chefs to teach me their methodology
in their cookbooks. Wrenching would be better taught (at least to me) in
person. And Riv bikes
As a gal who swapped out stems more than once, I do not believe this task
would be that difficult for you. Yes, fenders can be a little tricky. But
on the plus side VO fenders are more straightforward than Honjos.
I think the biggest obstacle with stuff like this is our mindset--and I
admit, th
I don't think you're going to get those instructions to work for Leah any more
than she could tell me how to make her chicken: Theoretically we can both be
taught these things, but in reality that's just not gonna happen.
I had the brilliant idea to buy that bracket and shape it to a fender her
After I finish my weekend shifts I'll send you a copy of the fender
installation instructions Rene Herse (nee Compass Cycles) put together with
Peter Weigle.
Bicycle mechanics is a lot like learning anatomy and physiology; structure
and function. If you can determine one, you can surmise the o
Leah - do you know if your REI’s bike shop is any good ?
On Fri, Mar 13, 2020 at 8:33 PM Leah Peterson
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> What Ryan is referring to and the rest of you don’t know, is that the
> mechanic in question packed my Clementine so I could ship it when it
> sold...and he didn’t zip tie the front wh
The video downloads and plays just fine.
This is really distressing to see and read about. Both the cluelessly
unattached fender and the thoughtless packing job of your bike. So sorry
for what this shop has put you through.
>
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I will come out next March and lead the Riv Girl group through basic survival
mechanics if you feed me and allow me to shoot hoops and or rollerblade with
your boys at the part when you all are on your home based U24H girl coffee
rides.
Ryan “ lost without coaching maybe I will hit up a bike bu
What Ryan is referring to and the rest of you don’t know, is that the mechanic
in question packed my Clementine so I could ship it when it sold...and he
didn’t zip tie the front wheel. You might imagine what happened next. When my
buyer received the bike the paint damage would make most Riv-lov
Seriously, have you seen her cooking on the Instagram?? I can fix bikes all day
but I can't do THAT!
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Leah,
To bad you can not go back and ask the mechanic who installed them. 😂🤦🏻♂️.
Poor guy. Just kidding trickle down big box stores are about profit not doing
things 100% right or perfectly serving the customer. Sometimes both the
company and mechanic are victims.
Now I am nervous how Joe
This always happens to me. I even printed the directions for the guy. He
mounted them beautifully, though. I’m running out of mechanics to try here
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> It is beyond belief that a bike shop would not have the requis
It is beyond belief that a bike shop would not have the requisite
bolt. And I'm with Joe: this is beyond slip-shod. I'm sure the
included instructions mentioned that bracket and how to install it.
On 3/13/20 10:26 PM, Leah Peterson wrote:
So, do I need a bolt, too? Where do I get THAT? I do
So, do I need a bolt, too? Where do I get THAT? I don’t think the mechanic gave
me back the extra parts. I’m off the garage to dig around and see!
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> On Mar 13, 2020, at 7:23 PM, Joe Bernard wrote:
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> Here's the unbent doohickey your installer should have bent and crimped on
Here's the unbent doohickey your installer should have bent and crimped onto
your fender, then bolted to the brake bridge. Was it not in the package? Did he
toss it and tell you "it'll be fine, lady" ? I have questions and I'm annoyed,
that's not how you install fenders when someone hands you mo
According to VO, your fender came witha hardware kit that includes: 5mm
polished aluminum stays, R-clips and screws, L bracket, reinforcement
plates, stay-to-fender closed eyelet bolts, fork crown daruma, sliding
bracket, leather washers, and detailed installation instructions.
I believe the p
My dearest wish is to move to a city where there is a group of Riv people
so I no longer have to come to public forums and share my ignorance about
bike mechanics!
Here’s my latest. I got my pretty VO fenders (I call them my waterfall
fenders) installed a few months ago and they work great. Ne
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