Re: [RBW] Introducing the Charlie H Gallop Protovelo

That looks like it would be an absolute blast to ride.Like a grown-up, swoopy, off-road BMX, or something. Have you taken it out on the trails yet? Looks like it would handle them well.P. W.~(917) 514-2207~On Sep 13, 2023, at 12:25 PM, Johnny Alien wrote:Here is my close to final version of the P

Re: [RBW] Introducing the Charlie H Gallop Protovelo

Oh yeah! I replaced the crankset with a discontinued NOS TA set. Very light and fancy. :) On Wednesday, September 13, 2023 at 3:24:50 PM UTC-4 Johnny Alien wrote: > Here is my close to final version of the ProtoGallop. Knowing that the > Roadini was going away for awhile I just could not pass

Re: [RBW] Introducing the Charlie H Gallop Protovelo

> My Cheviot and Charlie are setup with the same drive train almost: 46/30 > double in front and 11-40 9 or 10 speed cassette in back with friction > shifting and clutch derailers (GRX rx810 on the Charlie, SRAM GX long on the > Cheviot). I should write a whole post about the wonderful discovery

Re: [RBW] Introducing the Charlie H Gallop Protovelo

One consideration for credit-card touring is that with the long chainstays the bike will be harder to pack into a bike case for flying on an airline. That was the consideration that tipped me towards the Roadini over the A Homer Hilsen. -- You received this message because you are subscribed

Re: [RBW] Introducing the Charlie H Gallop Protovelo

Thanks Abe! You've helped me put another check in my Charlie column. I ride a Ritchey Outback for the rough stuff, so it's definitely a roadish bike I'm looking for. Enjoyed the pics. On Fri, Jun 16, 2023 at 12:50 AM Pancake wrote: > Photos of Cheviot, Charlie, Sam Hillborne, Rosco Baby Bike,

Re: [RBW] Introducing the Charlie H Gallop Protovelo

Photos of Cheviot, Charlie, Sam Hillborne, Rosco Baby Bike, Gus, a Homer . I've ridden a 60cm Cheviot (my first Riv) for over 5 years and the 57cm Charlie prototype for just over a year and around 1,750 miles of commuting, hills around Napa, and occasional dirt bits

Re: [RBW] Introducing the Charlie H Gallop Protovelo

Thanks Piaw - I appreciate the input. I may have to add the Cheviot to my watch list. When I began seriously looking at Rivendells I was thinking a Roadini - but then gravitated toward the sloping TT models - especially the curvier ones - out of a desire for something a bit different from my curre

Re: [RBW] Introducing the Charlie H Gallop Protovelo

I test rode a Charlie with sidepull brakes last year when my Ti touring frame broke and Grant loaned it to me for a week. It rides very similarly to the Cheviot (which is the sidepull version of the Platypus), so in terms of riding I think it can do anything the Platypus can do. The bike Grant lent

Re: [RBW] Introducing the Charlie H Gallop Protovelo

A question for any Proto Charlie riders who may also have some experience with the Platy. I'm honing in on my FIRST Riv and have.narrowed the field to the Platypus vs the upcoming Charlie H. I recognize that the Platy frameset (either brazed or lugged) is a step above the TIG'd Charlie, and t

Re: [RBW] Introducing the Charlie H Gallop Protovelo

@ Brendonoid: Wondering if you could not try Centerpulls on your Sam? They can be mighty effective. You could always braze on posts (I have done this on my Sam for the record) if the Centerpulls don't do it for you. John On Thursday, April 27, 2023 at 6:31:28 AM UTC-7 brendonoid wrote: > I was

Re: [RBW] Introducing the Charlie H Gallop Protovelo

I was 100% buying a Charlie until the brake change now I am 95% not going to buy one. I have never had a problem with R559s and have used them on quite a few bikes but their clearance limitations are the real problem. Wet weather downhill performance can be weak but it isn't a deal breaker. I w

Re: [RBW] Introducing the Charlie H Gallop Protovelo

I had no idea Sams ever came in a caliper brake version. No way am I taking my 320 pound triplet with 2 kids down the kind of dirt descents I'd take the single bike. But I have descended 20%+ grades on the triplet with mid reach calipers. But yeah, with that kind of weight I'd skid both wheels

Re: [RBW] Introducing the Charlie H Gallop Protovelo

I will say that when I got my Roadini setup, I was surprised by how much better the brakes felt than my medium reach touring bike. At first, I attributed it to the fancy Shimano brake cables I got for the Roadini. Then I realized that I hadn't replaced the brake cables on my touring bike for 15 yea

Re: [RBW] Introducing the Charlie H Gallop Protovelo

Phew, heated brake debate! There isn't much else to talk about with the Charlie since we have no recent news, so it's a good use of this thread perhaps. I should clarify: I don't mind side-pull/caliper brakes from a performance standpoint, although the longer reach models required on this bike

Re: [RBW] Introducing the Charlie H Gallop Protovelo

In my experience, sidepulls are great as long as you only ride in the dry and don’t plan on any emergency stops. Eric Not a caliper fan On Tuesday, April 25, 2023, Johnny Alien wrote: > I have zero issues with the effectiveness of sidepulls. I used them for > years and years. I just think that

Re: [RBW] Introducing the Charlie H Gallop Protovelo

Not to totally change the conversation around brake preferences, but I thought Jason pointed out a few things I find exciting about the Charlie H Gallop. A "scrawny Hillibike" and "650b for the middle sizes". Maybe a little down the road, the Charlie H Gallop could become a template for another

Re: [RBW] Introducing the Charlie H Gallop Protovelo

I have zero issues with the effectiveness of sidepulls. I used them for years and years. I just think that the cantiposts gives you a lot more options for brakes (cant's, v, or mini-v) AND allow for using larger tires. On Tuesday, April 25, 2023 at 11:35:31 AM UTC-4 lconley wrote: > I remember

Re: [RBW] Introducing the Charlie H Gallop Protovelo

I remember back in the days before V-brakes and disc brakes when numerous cyclo-tourists and Tour de France racers were going over cliffs on mountain descents because sidepulls and centerpulls don't work - *N**OT.* But I do remember when you adjusted the toe-in of your brake pad by twisting th

Re: [RBW] Introducing the Charlie H Gallop Protovelo

I'm one of the few people who prefer sidepulls over cantis or v-brakes. I bought one of the last Cheviots, which had sidepull caliper brakes for my wife. I wouldn't have bought it if it had required V-brakes or Cantis as I have never been able to even replace brake pads on those without causing

Re: [RBW] Introducing the Charlie H Gallop Protovelo

I would have to agree with that thinking, the number of "use v-brakes and sweptback bars" frames in the lineup is already extensive. I don't think the Gallop benefits (from a marketing perspective) from moving closer to the Hillborne's mission. On Monday, April 24, 2023 at 6:35:05 PM UTC-7 Joh

Re: [RBW] Introducing the Charlie H Gallop Protovelo

Ah, dag, I know we talked about the brake mounts before but I forgot all about it. Definitely wish the production run was set up for canti posts! On Monday, April 24, 2023 at 11:58:42 PM UTC-4 Tony Lockhart wrote: > Solid bike---glad that you got it back. I'm liking that drivetrain with > th

Re: [RBW] Introducing the Charlie H Gallop Protovelo

Solid bike---glad that you got it back. I'm liking that drivetrain with the triple up front; you can tackle anything with this bike. On Monday, April 24, 2023 at 8:00:09 PM UTC-7 Pancake wrote: > Love mine with v-brakes - that’s what makes it perfect to me really so I’m > thrilled I got a proto

Re: [RBW] Introducing the Charlie H Gallop Protovelo

Love mine with v-brakes - that’s what makes it perfect to me really so I’m thrilled I got a prototype. But they’re right about mini-v-brakes just not quite working. I tried 4 different models with different arm lengths (82-90mm) and it was never right: too much pull required to get pad to rim c

Re: [RBW] Introducing the Charlie H Gallop Protovelo

Yeah I think it had to do with the brake pull situation. Most road brakes won't match with v brakes which means if you have a road setup vs a mountain setup you would need cantis or mini-v's. Since there are decreasing options for cantis they were leaning on mini-v's but I guess they didn't car

Re: [RBW] Introducing the Charlie H Gallop Protovelo

Are there not going to be canti mounts on the production? That’s a huge mistake (deal breaker) in my opinion. These look like such a nice and fun bikes! On Monday, April 24, 2023 at 11:55:49 AM UTC-7 Stephen wrote: > Jason, it looks like such a solid and perfect commuter, I was surprised > whe

Re: [RBW] Introducing the Charlie H Gallop Protovelo

Jason, it looks like such a solid and perfect commuter, I was surprised when you let it go. Makes me want one, if only production models had canti posts... Its nice having a dedicated fendered and racked bike. I recently took off the front basket rack from my Joe to take it on some single track

Re: [RBW] Introducing the Charlie H Gallop Protovelo

Thanks Dustin, Eric - indeed it's an Abus Bordo lock. A little heavier than a similar strength U-lock but it's handy having it on the frame where I can't forget it. I'm glad to hear the production run is secured it sounds like, I suppose the quietness is just because they're in the waiting ph

Re: [RBW] Introducing the Charlie H Gallop Protovelo

Looks great, Jason, and sounds like a good compliment to your other bikes. It's cool to have your rigs squared and sorted for particular purposes. Dustin — I'm not 100% but I think that might be a seat-tube mounted folding lock that has a cage that mounts to the bottle bosses. On Monday, Apri

Re: [RBW] Introducing the Charlie H Gallop Protovelo

I spoke with Vince three or four months ago about the Charlie project and he said they have it slotted for a 2024 production run. Hopefully this will happen, as I'm definitely interested in one as a daily commuter to complement my Clem H. The Clem is my workhorse and heavy hauler, whereas the C

Re: [RBW] Introducing the Charlie H Gallop Protovelo

I'm still loving mine. The only change I made since my last update was moving to slighly wider losco bars. At some point I am going to throw on some paul minimoto brakes but there is no real reason other than having some Paul parts. It should still be coming from Rivendell but I am not as fond

Re: [RBW] Introducing the Charlie H Gallop Protovelo

Jason,Thanks for the update. Looks like a joy to ride. What is that black, rectangular contraption attached to the bottom of your seat tube?  DustinOn Apr 23, 2023, at 11:12 PM, Jason Fuller wrote:Been a little while since this thread was updated - in fact, I sold mine around the time of the last

Re: [RBW] Introducing the Charlie H Gallop Protovelo

Thanks Abe, that's super helpful. I'm coming from an analog 0mm extension (w)right stem and I used (I think) a 100mm Nitto stem near the the minimum insertion line Next experiment will be to flip the albatross, I have long arms so maybe that will work better for me. Max On Wednesday, November

Re: [RBW] Introducing the Charlie H Gallop Protovelo

Yes, changed stems:Soma Portola with 6cm extension TechnomicNitto Labarross with 10cm extension TechnomicBoth were raised pretty high but the Albatross is nearly the the minimum insertion line (1cm shy) while the Portola was about 4cm shy of min insertion line. I’m a heavy guy with long torso and s

Re: [RBW] Introducing the Charlie H Gallop Protovelo

Abe, I forgot to ask, did you change the stem length going from the Soma Portola to the Albatross? Max On Wednesday, November 16, 2022 at 4:41:21 PM UTC-5 maxcr wrote: > I also recently installed Albatross bars (not upside down) on my Charlie, > but I think I need to tweak them. I haven't insta

Re: [RBW] Introducing the Charlie H Gallop Protovelo

I also recently installed Albatross bars (not upside down) on my Charlie, but I think I need to tweak them. I haven't installed my grips yet, but after a quick 20m ride my hands/wrists made it clear that the angle wasn't working. Here is a photo of the process, I'll post the new setup once I ha

Re: [RBW] Introducing the Charlie H Gallop Protovelo

Excellent...thanks for the report, Abe! On Tuesday, November 15, 2022 at 03:57:58 PM MST, Abe Gardner wrote: Schwable G-One Allround 700x50. Fits nicely, great for gravel and chunky pavement; very good on smooth pavement. Slight noise on pavement but only compared to Snoqualmie Pass

Re: [RBW] Introducing the Charlie H Gallop Protovelo

Schwable G-One Allround 700x50. Fits nicely, great for gravel and chunky pavement; very good on smooth pavement. Slight noise on pavement but only compared to Snoqualmie Pass (700x44mm) tire smoothness. I’d love to try Hatcher Pass (700x48mm smooth) next but thes G-One Allrounds are super (and chea

Re: [RBW] Introducing the Charlie H Gallop Protovelo

*Tires: *I've got a few hundred miles on my protocharlie ("He may ride forever 'neath the streets of Boston He's the man who never returned, Poor Charlie!") and, dare I tempt the flat tire deities, no flats so far. Riding Schwalbe G-one Allround 700x50mm. Though I do run tubeless sealant in the tub

Re: [RBW] Introducing the Charlie H Gallop Protovelo

Hah, thanks Brendon, I hope it doesn't age this quickly from here on out! It has just about 900 km on it, usually my bikes still look pretty new at that mileage but this one was definitely decorated for daily use and also highly personalized as theft deterrent. Originally my plan was to make it

Re: [RBW] Introducing the Charlie H Gallop Protovelo

I love that you have only had this bike for ~3 months and it already looks like it has *lived*. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-b

Re: [RBW] Introducing the Charlie H Gallop Protovelo

Hey thanks for the kind words to those who offered them! Abe, maybe some of those old school "brake booster" brackets would do the trick! It could be the relatively long and thin seat stays that are twisting more than the housing compression that I initially blamed? Max, I found that angling

Re: [RBW] Introducing the Charlie H Gallop Protovelo

Thanks for the post Jason, loved reading about your experience! I'm another lucky owner of a demo Gallop (61.5cm) with canti studs. I'm impatiently waiting for it to get delivered, it's taken forever to ship, but it's supposed to get here later this week - I'm sure the wait will be worth it an

Re: [RBW] Introducing the Charlie H Gallop Protovelo

Thanks as always for a thoughtful writeup and great pictures, Jason! I probably will never buy a Gallop but I totally agree about the canti studs. On Tuesday, May 3, 2022 at 8:35:22 AM UTC-4 Takashi wrote: > Thank you for the review Jason. > Now that I read the review I'm interested in Charlie

Re: [RBW] Introducing the Charlie H Gallop Protovelo

Thank you for the review Jason. Now that I read the review I'm interested in Charlie, though I can't justify buying another bike. Takashi -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving ema

Re: [RBW] Introducing the Charlie H Gallop Protovelo

I have mini-V brakes on mine and don't feel the brakes are spongy at all. It felt much more solid than my bikes with canti brakes. I can't imagine that long reach side pulls feel more solid than ANY canti or V brake setup. On Monday, May 2, 2022 at 12:35:00 PM UTC-4 Pancake wrote: > Jason, I

Re: [RBW] Introducing the Charlie H Gallop Protovelo

Jason, I bet the long arm v-brakes are a big improvement; Paul components only maximizing that difference, but I'm sure the T610 or Alivio v-brake arms would work a charm with any linear / long pull levers. I used Jagwire "pro compressionless" housing which gives that firm feeling on my other b

Re: [RBW] Introducing the Charlie H Gallop Protovelo

I don't find my rear V-brake to be all that spongy to be honest. Maybe it's the Paul lever and arms - but more likely it's just about good brake housing. Full length housing is always squishier, of course, but I don't see how putting caliper brakes on solves the problem - just reducing braking powe

Re: [RBW] Introducing the Charlie H Gallop Protovelo

Mini V brakes seem like a lost middle ground IMO. Either use V brakes with long pull levers, or cantis with short pull levers. Either one of these option would be far better than long reach caliper brakes, which are too flexy for good braking. Eric On Monday, May 2, 2022, Pancake wrote: > I wa

Re: [RBW] Introducing the Charlie H Gallop Protovelo

I want canti posts because I want v-brakes on this bike. The reference in a prior email or blagh or somewhere by Riv said something like, 'they left to spongy or squishy or something' ... and they're right. At least on my 57cm prototype. I tried the Shimano BR-R353 with 90mm long arms ... way

Re: [RBW] Introducing the Charlie H Gallop Protovelo

Thanks for the review I enjoyed it! I think you are right about the canti posts but I suspect it is much too late to change it. On Monday, 2 May 2022 at 12:24:02 UTC+8 Jason Fuller wrote: > I started a review of mine, to pay back the privilege of owning one > already! I haven't so much as proo

Re: [RBW] Introducing the Charlie H Gallop Protovelo

I started a review of mine, to pay back the privilege of owning one already! I haven't so much as proofread it, let alone edit it, so bear that in mind https://www.jasonmytail.com/75-day-700km-review-rivendell-charlie-h-gallop/ On Saturday, 12 March 2022 at 17:45:11 UTC-8 Johnny Alien wrote:

Re: [RBW] Introducing the Charlie H Gallop Protovelo

I love both of these builds. I can imagine the Albatross work well. I enjoyed running Billie bars on mine. On Saturday, March 12, 2022 at 8:39:14 PM UTC-5 Jason Fuller wrote: > Very nice Abe! I can believe it on the climbing - the long rear end makes > a world of a difference for climbing, I fi

Re: [RBW] Introducing the Charlie H Gallop Protovelo

I had the same issue with the stem but didn't attribute it to being a prototype. I can't use taller stems at all because they just don't go down deep enough. Is that not the case with standard Riv's? I used Billie's and really enjoyed it. It's clear that the frame was built for sweptbacks. On

Re: [RBW] Introducing the Charlie H Gallop Protovelo

Very cool, thank ya both! On Monday, February 14, 2022 at 12:32:32 PM UTC-5 Johnny Alien wrote: > At that point I really think it comes down to builds. A SH built up > lightish could feel much more nimble and quick than a Gallop with full > racks, fenders, heavy tires etc. I agree with Jason t

Re: [RBW] Introducing the Charlie H Gallop Protovelo

At that point I really think it comes down to builds. A SH built up lightish could feel much more nimble and quick than a Gallop with full racks, fenders, heavy tires etc. I agree with Jason that built the same they would likely feel pretty similar. On Monday, February 14, 2022 at 12:22:18 PM U

Re: [RBW] Introducing the Charlie H Gallop Protovelo

Hi Gallop riders – Does anyone have a take on the Gallop in contrast to an unloaded Hillborne with drops? I know Jason has a Hillborne but racked and fendered. Curious how they compare :) On Saturday, February 12, 2022 at 9:31:56 AM UTC-5 Johnny Alien wrote: > Killer! I can't wait to see it. Ma

Re: [RBW] Introducing the Charlie H Gallop Protovelo

Killer! I can't wait to see it. Make sure to post it up here when its done. The extra few mm of height on those mini-v's should be perfect. I have the Box mini's and they cleared a real world 48mm tire with just a touch of clearance. The extra bit of height should allow you to clear 50's. I p

Re: [RBW] Introducing the Charlie H Gallop Protovelo

Johny: yes, my friend was quick on the draw and got it for me because they knew it was my ideal version of a Charlie - gotta have those canti/v-brake posts. It’ll end up replacing my Sam Hillborne. Now Charlie’s sitting (ironically with no saddle) in my garage waiting for a few quick changes (

Re: [RBW] Introducing the Charlie H Gallop Protovelo

I think it might have been OT post keeping a smile on my face. Sorry if I unintentionally entrapped him… David > On Feb 11, 2022, at 7:51 PM, Johnny Alien wrote: > > Pancake, so you got the third Gallop V1 prototype? > > On Friday, February 11, 2022 at 7:18:18 PM UTC-5 Pancake wrote: > Drop b

Re: [RBW] Introducing the Charlie H Gallop Protovelo

Pancake, so you got the third Gallop V1 prototype? On Friday, February 11, 2022 at 7:18:18 PM UTC-5 Pancake wrote: > Drop bar Sam checking in per David's request/comment ... soon to be > replaced by another Proto Charlie (photos of that orange 57cm to come > later). > [image: IMG_3134.JPG] > [i

Re: [RBW] Introducing the Charlie H Gallop Protovelo

Beautiful bike and build Jason. Love to see other Rivendell drop bar bikes. David Hays > On Feb 10, 2022, at 9:02 PM, Jason Fuller wrote: > > Introducing MY protovelo Charlie (54cm), if it's okay for me to join you in > this thread Johnny! > > Quick neighborhood ride today between meetings i