Here is a well thought out response from the author of the Perfect Health
Diet.
Paleofantasy and the State of Ancestral
Sciencehttp://perfecthealthdiet.com/2013/03/paleofantasy-and-the-state-of-ancestral-science/
Precisely why we Paleo's eat grass fed and wild game and organically grown
leafy greens or from our own gardens when possible.many locals in my
area raise livestock this way. We just purchased 90 pounds for $4.00 lb. of
every cut imaginable but not much ground. Last I checked,
Australian
Not really Patrick, but I can see how it may appear ! ahahahah
The basic premise is : Am I a product of conditions' or are
conditions are product of I ?
For each to define for themselves
On Wednesday, March 13, 2013 5:17:13 PM UTC-4, Patrick Moore wrote:
This is getting
Again this is all anecdotal evidence, as was pointed out earlier. My
grandfather drank and smoked every day of his life. He used to have two
Martinis for breakfast, calling them his eye openers. As an Italian he
ate alot of carbs along with alot of meat and cheese. He lived until he was
87 but was
What science isn't based on anecdotal evidence? I did x, observed y,
measured z...
The Perfect Health Diet is based on research on several hundred scientific
studies.
With abandon,
Patrick
On Thursday, March 14, 2013 7:06:37 AM UTC-6, Peter M wrote:
Again this is all anecdotal evidence, as
My natural diet is a mix of quality meat, fruit, veggies, nuts, and eggs,
which is a simple version of what some call paleo. Do these basic ingredients
seem like a fad or an extreme diet? Does a diet consisting of these basic
ingredients even seem worthy of a trademarked name like The Paleo
Even Grant, in his book makes a disclaimer that he is not a Dr. and you
should ask yours before changing drastically changing your diet. Maybe
extreme was too harsh of a word. I just ate Froot Loops with Almond Milk
and I feel great!
On Thu, Mar 14, 2013 at 10:00 AM, Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery
At the very least, it seems obvious that there are different types of people.
Some eat a bread/pasta-based diet and stay skinny and live a long healthy life.
I'm not one of those.
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On Mar 14, 2013, at 7:08 AM, Peter Morgano uscpeter11...@gmail.com wrote:
Even Grant, in his book makes a disclaimer that he is not a Dr. and you
should ask yours before changing drastically changing your diet.
Unless and until you repeat it yourself, it's all anecdote. You are reading
the study, which is anecdote. A very specific type of anecdote, but
anecdote nonetheless.
I have many foibles, but confusing science with religion is not one of
them. Science is one tool for helping us understanding
I prefer my spirits neat! (Except when mixed.) And I applaud your good
humor!
Patrick Moore, whose role model for weight and longevity is GK Chesterton:
Chesterton was a large man, standing 6 feet 4 inches (1.93 m) and weighing
around 21 stone (130 kg; 290 lb). ... During World War I a lady in
Seems like a good diet to me. I am having issues cutting the processed
white carbs; they are just so pervasive in society. It's a shame. I am
bound and determined to do it this year though.
On Thursday, March 14, 2013 9:00:57 AM UTC-5, Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery
wrote:
My natural diet
At most medical schools, only an hour or so the four-year-long curriculum
is devoted to diet and nutrition. So your primary doc may or may not know
much about the subject.
It must be tough to try to do scientific research on the health effects of
diet. I haven't read any of the literature. I can
On Thu, 2013-03-14 at 06:36 -0700, Deacon Patrick wrote:
What science isn't based on anecdotal evidence? I did x, observed y,
measured z...
Compare http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anecdotal_evidence with
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scientific_evidence
I see little support for your assertion.
OK. I overstated. Most science done today is anecdotal. It does not meet
the standard of double-blind, peer reviewed data. So I treat it as
anecdotal.
With abandon,
Patrick
On Thursday, March 14, 2013 2:29:45 PM UTC-6, Steve Palincsar wrote:
On Thu, 2013-03-14 at 06:36 -0700, Deacon Patrick
On Thu, 2013-03-14 at 13:45 -0700, Deacon Patrick wrote:
OK. I overstated. Most science done today is anecdotal. It does not
meet the standard of double-blind, peer reviewed data. So I treat it
as anecdotal.
Most is such a big word... and the burden of proof is on you.
With abandon,
Make
That's still not quite correct, Patrick. Science by definition is not
anecdotal: it is based on testable hypotheses and repeatable results resulting
in data which can be analyzed and independently confirmed or disproved. Double
blind studies are appropriate and necessary in some aspects of
Chesterton LIVED a rich and FULL life YES !! What's not to
love about that ? .so much for longevity Life is to be lived
NOW now now now ! ahahahaahahah
with lots of laughs and good spirits :)
On Thursday, March 14, 2013 11:17:33 AM UTC-4, Patrick Moore wrote:
OK. I'll bow to that.
With abandon,
Patrick
On Thursday, March 14, 2013 3:25:44 PM UTC-6, Tim McNamara wrote:
That's still not quite correct, Patrick. Science by definition is not
anecdotal: it is based on testable hypotheses and repeatable results
resulting in data which can be analyzed
Well this is a really interesting topic, and for what it’s worth and due
respect towards Peter M’s comment to end this topic and Jim who makes
decisions on whether a topic continues, I think its fine to have off topic
discussions (as long as they stay civil) though I think this talk of diet
This is officially the Rivendell Engine thread. Totally relevant and
appropriate! I will add another source to the debate, although others
(maybe Grant) brought this up before, but since he's local (Seattle), I
feel obligated to mention Stephan Guyenet. He's also an official scientist
doing
Frankly, except when I am stuck sitting next to a wide body on the subway,
I tend not to be all that concerned about what others eat.
That said, the Paleo diet advocates insistence early humans did not eat
grain is rot. Humans evolved in grass lands. As the linked article points
out, there
Sorry, folks. i did not realize the history or firestorm my comment would
proved. If what you eat works, go that route till it doesn't. I haven't
read the book and likely won't. But from the reviews I've read she does not
address the core reasons I choose to eat this way, which are very
Feathers are meant to be ruffled. Controversy is good for the soul.
The other Patrick in ABQ, NM happily stuffing himself with Beer and
Bacon (at least, no bacon until Orthodox lent is over -- deep fried
cheese sticks; but I'm not giving up beer).
On Wed, Mar 13, 2013 at 8:00 AM, Deacon Patrick
Hey All,
If I remember correctly from my under grad days, when I studied, among
other stuff, physical anthropology, there is more than a little evidence in
the human family tree that our predecessors were eating stuff that needed
to be crushed rather than sliced, so grasses, grains, etc. At
By the way, the only energy source your brain uses is glucose.
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Grains are grass.
In addition - and my primary problem with the whole paleo fad is with the
increase in human population world wide, the amount of land available to
'grass' feed herbivores is shrinking both through human development and
climate change. In the United States alone, currently
the only energy source your brain uses is glucose.
Uh, wrong. Ketones work wonderfully. Better for most of the brain,
actually. A specific part of the brain requires glucose, which either can
come from the liver making it (when ketogenic) or from starch ingested. A
ketogenic diet is commonly
Wrong here too. In third world countries, herders are seeing the highest
yields they've known returning to dense herds on grass. It helps reclaim
land lost to desert bey promoting more growth. It turns unproductive land
into productive land and feeds a lot more people. Check this TED Talk out:
I think we should abandon this thread, it was only vaguely related to bikes
and now has way gone off on a tangent. Doesnt anyone have a spring first
ride report? I plan to have one soon, thankfully.
On Wed, Mar 13, 2013 at 3:52 PM, Deacon Patrick lamontg...@mac.com wrote:
Wrong here too. In
Doesnt anyone have a spring first ride report?
My ten year old daughter does! Well, that is, if starting to commute by
bike from home to school to the barn (for 4H) to the library and back home
counts :-)
Cheers!
lyle
On 13 March 2013 15:58, Peter Morgano uscpeter11...@gmail.com wrote:
I
Eat food, not too much, mostly greens.--Michael Pollan
I love that. Seems like a good plan. Sadly, I have not been able to follow
it. I will say that while my diet isn't ideal it's better than it was even
5 years ago and without a doubt it's better than what it was in my 20s.
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I eat mostly greens, by volume. By calories, fat.
With abandon,
Patrick
On Wednesday, March 13, 2013 2:13:19 PM UTC-6, Mike wrote:
Eat food, not too much, mostly greens.--Michael Pollan
I love that. Seems like a good plan. Sadly, I have not been able to follow
it. I will say that while my
On Wednesday, March 13, 2013 11:08:06 AM UTC-4, numbnuts wrote:
Hey All,
If I remember correctly from my under grad days, when I studied, among other
stuff, physical anthropology, there is more than a little evidence in the
human family tree that our predecessors were eating stuff that
I don't know a lot about all the different views of this subject, but
I do know my own results..I have MS and neuropathy in hands, feet. I
came across a book called wheatbelly back in December of 2012...The
author (a cardio doc) mentioned that thousands of his patients have
improved their lives
CBC (Canadian Broadcasting Corp) recently hosted a very interesting discussion
with the author of Wheat Belly. Podcast is available for download here:
http://www.cbc.ca/q/blog/2013/02/07/are-wheat-free-diets-a-fad/
Also on the show was Timothy Caulfield, Canada Research Chair in Health Law and
Very early ancestors survived on tropical plants, new study suggests
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2012/12/121214200916.htm
Perry I ain't buyi the paleo fantasy bro science Bessas
It's all fine, but that study talks about apes (3 to 3.5 million years
ago). Homo habilus, the first
At the other end of the spectrum there's always going food free...
http://m.vice.com/read/rob-rhinehart-no-longer-requires-food?utm_source=vicefbus
With abandon,
Patrick
On Tuesday, March 12, 2013 5:55:21 PM UTC-6, Eric Norris wrote:
Thought this might be of interest to some on this list. I'm
If you want to hear an exchange between the guests about whether the Wheat
Belly effect is real, listen to the podcast at 9:20 in ...
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On Mar 13, 2013, at 4:08 PM, Eric Norris campyonly...@me.com wrote:
CBC (Canadian
Based on the reviews I've read, the author appears to have incredibly poor
logic and reason. For vibrant discussion see:
https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/huaraches/n8Ap2wV-iNI
With abandon,
Patrick
On Tuesday, March 12, 2013 5:55:21 PM UTC-6, Eric Norris wrote:
Thought this might be of
Wow. (Mentally flicking bits of mud off my computer.)
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On Mar 12, 2013, at 5:14 PM, Deacon Patrick lamontg...@mac.com wrote:
Based on the reviews I've read, the author appears to have incredibly poor
logic and
On Tue, Mar 12, 2013 at 5:14 PM, Deacon Patrick lamontg...@mac.com wrote:
Based on the reviews I've read, the author appears to have incredibly poor
logic and reason. For vibrant discussion see:
https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/huaraches/n8Ap2wV-iNI
Those reviews are from people
I haven't read Zuk's book, but this article seems to be focused on Zuk's
refutations of various common conceptions and misconceptions of paleo
peoples' lifestyles, from an evolutionary or anthropological perspective. I
often think that the paleo adjective does more harm than good because it
Very very few people have gotten fat by eating too much raw spinach. :)
On Tuesday, March 12, 2013 6:13:08 PM UTC-7, Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery
wrote:
I haven't read Zuk's book, but this article seems to be focused on Zuk's
refutations of various common conceptions and misconceptions of
Yeah. The presentation of health issues in the media suffers greatly from
dumbing down and miscommunication, among other things. I looked at that
Salon article and there are points that I don't believe an evolutionary
biologist would have made in such an unqualified way, which suggests to me
Whatever works for (anybody) is the right thing. A good way to test is to
have a complete blood and lipid test (testing for Type A and B LDL, or else
it does't tell you anything), and include A1C in there, too. Do that now
(for instance) to see how your diet is working, and then go super low
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