Picking a good line through the slush was almost like riding singletrack. The
Albatross bars I put on the bike last week worked well in the snow.
Riding in the snow is not that bad. The problem in Chicago is the
streets for the most part are relatively narrow. When you get over 18
of snow
I recall recently seeing a posting of someone out riding their Rambouillet.
Amazing!
Perhaps in California, or even the relatively balmy East Coast from
New York south.
Here in the upper Midwest we have been buried with snow heavily
seasoned by very cold temps. Most of the city streets in
... Here in the upper Midwest we have been buried with snow heavily
seasoned by very cold temps. Most of the city streets in Chicago are
so packed there is only about 2/3rds of the pavement showing. And
that pavement showing is covered with snow clumps ice, and enough salt
to turn Lake
On Thu, Dec 25, 2008 at 4:46 AM, JoelMatthews joelmatth...@mac.com wrote:
I recall recently seeing a posting of someone out riding their
Rambouillet.
Amazing!
Perhaps in California, or even the relatively balmy East Coast from
New York south.
Hey, we have to brave the elements, too!
I'm stuck working today. I noodled into work on my Surly with 700c x
44 WTB Mutano Raptors. They worked well in the slushy icyness. Picking
a good line through the slush was almost like riding singletrack. The
Albatross bars I put on the bike last week worked well in the snow.
As for planing...
Oh right. I'm in Portland Oregon where we've gotten snow daily for the
past week. Obviously it's not as much as those in other parts of the
country but it's a lot for us. Because it isn't really a yearly
occurence the city has very limited resources for dealing with it.
The Mutano Raptors worked
Quoting PATRICK MOORE bertin...@gmail.com:
http://flickr.com/photos/t2architect/3128394163/in/set-72157610331529941/
Gawd, that's even *pretty!
It certainly is. And, like every other attractive threadless stem
I've ever seen, it lacks the one major advantage commonly associated
with
Or, if you're really picky, use an NVO stem system:
http://www.nvocomponents.com/
-Jim G
Gawd, that's **ugly**!!
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On Tue, Dec 23, 2008 at 7:26 PM, John McMurry johnmcmu...@gmail.com wrote:
Well, here in the Northeast, that doesn't fly.
If you ride in the rain, in the snow, in the mud, or dirt around here
for several thousand a year, annual maintenance is necessary; unless
you're willing to dispose of
Back to quill versus Aheadset: I think I'd choose an Aheadset for a new
custom, with a custom stem so that I would not have to use spacers. Or
perhaps custom made spacer to avoid the rings on the neck look.
Guess I am the opposite.
My first custom is threadless. I ultimately had a custom
On Tue, 2008-12-23 at 12:03 -0800, Chris Halasz wrote:
Tried a bike this past year with a threadless stem; it was the largest
sized, and I could *not* find a production stem that brought the bars
within a cm of saddle height (cm to zero difference) that wasn't
stretched too far, or just
With respect to your opinion, I don't think standard threadless stems
are ugly. I also don't think it's relevant.
I prefer threadless stems for the reasons I listed in my first post to
this thread: they make it easier to change stems and handlebars, and
they can be serviced or adjusted with just
Wesley, the problem is with using a threadless stem on the threaded
portion of a steer tube. That would not be a secure connection, but it
would be a good way to start cutting threads into the clamp area of
the stem. If you mean using a threaded fork with the threaded part cut
off, then yes,
I also don't think it's relevant
Looks are relevant when the discussion is Rivendell. Certainly Rivs
have a lot more going for them than their good looks, but looks is
part of the reason they have such a loyal following. Otherwise, a lot
more Riv owners would have bought a Surly.
they can
Actually, it may be simpler to order an appropriate threadless fork at the
same time. The steerer tube is just set into the fork crown, and it could be
just a matter of getting an unthreaded tube put in. That way, you have the
dimension of fork blades that the bicycle was designed for.
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Subject: [RBW] Re: Sam Hillborne geometry is up at RBW site!
From what I have seen, one-inch threadless forks of any description
are pretty scarce. I have one bike in particular that I'd like to
switch to threadless, but I haven't run across anything suitable. New
uncut one
Quoting JoelMatthews joelmatth...@mac.com:
Actually, it may be simpler to order an appropriate threadless fork at the
same time. The steerer tube is just set into the fork crown, and it could be
just a matter of getting an unthreaded tube put in. That way, you have the
dimension of fork
Subject: [RBW] Re: Sam Hillborne geometry is up at RBW site!
From what I have seen, one-inch threadless forks of any description
are pretty scarce. I have one bike in particular that I'd like to
switch to threadless, but I haven't run across anything suitable. New
uncut one inch threadless steel
Even more sensible, IMO, would be to decide to get along with the fork
that came with the bike, or if a threaded fork is a show-stopper, to
get a different frame, one with a threadless fork. There are plenty
enough of them.
I am on your side on this. As long as Nitto is making its
steerer and cut the threaded bit off?
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From what I have seen, one-inch threadless forks of any description
are pretty scarce. I have one bike in particular that I'd like to
switch to threadless, but I haven't run across anything
, December 23, 2008 12:02 AM
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Subject: [RBW] Re: Sam Hillborne geometry is up at RBW site!
From what I have seen, one-inch threadless forks of any description
are pretty scarce. I have one bike in particular that I'd like to
switch to threadless, but I
Like Jim, I'd take that bet as well. :-) I'm always on the active
lookout for Legolas in the wild, and to date have only seen them as CX
race bikes or road-ish/brevet bikes.
So how much were you considering waging? Perhaps a slice of pumpkin
pie, washed down with a pint?
Gino
On Tue, Dec
Quoting George Schick bhim...@gmail.com:
Now, this is not to imply that a similar thing couldn't happen to a
threaded set up, but they're usually things you have to look for ahead
of time anyway - are the top and bottom edges of head tube straight
and parallel, is the crown race evenly
I've used, and adjusted, exactly one threadless stem in all my years of
riding, and (1) I was hugely impressed with how easy it is to adjust; not
only easy, but simple! But (2) I was also very disconcerted (and I realize
that this is a purely personal reaction) when I couldn't easily fine tune
the
On Dec 23, 11:25 am, PATRICK MOORE bertin...@gmail.com wrote:
I've used, and adjusted, exactly one threadless stem in all my years of
riding, and (1) I was hugely impressed with how easy it is to adjust; not
only easy, but simple! But (2) I was also very disconcerted (and I realize
that this
All you need do to remedy (2) above is to not chop the steerer down
all the way, leaving a little space both above and below the stem for
spacers. Or, if you're really picky, use an NVO stem
system:http://www.nvocomponents.com/
But then you either have ugly steerer tube protuding atop the
Hillborne geometry is up at RBW site!
From what I have seen, one-inch threadless forks of any description
are pretty scarce. I have one bike in particular that I'd like to
switch to threadless, but I haven't run across anything suitable. New
uncut one inch threadless steel forks tend
On Dec 23, 11:53 am, Mike mjawn...@gmail.com wrote:
It seems to me that if you want a bike with a threadless headset that
you might want to go with something other than a Rivendell. Unless you
get a Legolas. There are tons of custom frame builders willing to make
lugged frames with threadless
Halasz
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Subject: [RBW] Re: Sam Hillborne geometry is up at RBW site!
Tried a bike this past year with a threadless stem; it was the largest
sized, and I could *not* find a production stem that brought the bars
within a cm
stem's a deal breaker for you.
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Unless I'm
On Dec 23, 12:15 pm, David Faller dfal...@charter.net wrote:
Exactly! Talk about drinking the Kool Aid; the consumers all bought into the
differences as improvements, when, in fact, the differences are only
differences. Most threadless stems are just ugly. I suppose some are a tad
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Unless I'm missing something, there's no need to cut the threaded
portion off. One possible hiccup would be if the uppermost race
couldn't
Quoting jim g yoj...@gmail.com:
This one's certainly not ugly...
http://flickr.com/photos/t2architect/3128394163/in/set-72157610331529941/
No, not hardly! What is that luscious thing, anyway?
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Quoting jim g yoj...@gmail.com:
This one's certainly not ugly...
http://flickr.com/photos/t2architect/3128394163/in/set-72157610331529941/
No, not hardly! What is that luscious thing, anyway
Can't access his site right now (some miserable weather in Wisconsin,
maybe it knocked down a power line) but it looks like something from
Jonnycycles.
I have a custom Jonnycycle threadless stem on my threadless fork bike.
(I went with brushed nickel rather than the bright chrome). It is
Of Invisible
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Subject: [RBW] Re: Sam Hillborne geometry is up at RBW site!
Unless I'm missing something, there's no need to cut the threaded
portion off. One possible hiccup would be if the uppermost race
couldn't be slid
No!!! I don't want steerer sticking up above my stem!!! Abominable! Won't do
it!!!
On Tue, Dec 23, 2008 at 12:00 PM, jim g yoj...@gmail.com wrote:
All you need do to remedy (2) above is to not chop the steerer down
all the way, leaving a little space both above and below the stem for
http://flickr.com/photos/t2architect/3128394163/in/set-72157610331529941/
Gawd, that's even *pretty!
IIRC, my brother had an old tandem frameset from the 1930s with a clamp on
stem rather like the pinch bolt system used on tricycles when I was a child.
Not elegant, but obviously not new, either.
On Tue, Dec 23, 2008 at 2:04 PM, John McMurry johnmcmu...@gmail.com wrote:
How's your quill stem look when you pull it out every year for
greasing?
[snippo]
And if you don't pull it out every year? Good luck getting it out (if
you rode it at all that year).
Huh? ***HUH* I've
On Dec 23, 12:49 pm, palin...@his.com wrote:
Quoting jim g yoj...@gmail.com:
This one's certainly not ugly...
http://flickr.com/photos/t2architect/3128394163/in/set-72157610331529...
No, not hardly! What is that luscious thing, anyway?
Custom Toei. Not mine, unfortunately.
-Jim G
So is this some kind of legislative process whereby we determine what
kind of steer tube is right and proper for all, which then becomes the
law of the land? Have I missed something? I thought I was joining a
discussion of possible ways to get a threadless fork on a Rivendell or
similar bike. Is
All you need do to remedy (2) above is to not chop the steerer down
all the way, leaving a little space both above and below the stem for
spacers. Or, if you're really picky, use an NVO stem system:
http://www.nvocomponents.com/
-Jim G
Their motion graphic gives a
on 12/23/08 5:18 PM, Atlantean at softlysoftlycatcheemon...@gmail.com wrote:
So is this some kind of legislative process whereby we determine what
kind of steer tube is right and proper for all, which then becomes the
law of the land? Have I missed something? I thought I was joining a
What's the uncut steer-tube length on the Sam Hillborne fork? The
frame is wonderful, but I'm leery of threaded headsets and would want
to go threadless if I owned one.
Follow-ups: are frames even available with uncut forks? What about the
Atlantis and AHH?
-Wesley
On Mon, 2008-12-22 at 14:16 -0800, Invisible wrote:
What's the uncut steer-tube length on the Sam Hillborne fork? The
frame is wonderful, but I'm leery of threaded headsets and would want
to go threadless if I owned one.
Leery? What's there to be leery about? They're as reliable and
I know that threaded headsets are reliable, of course. But headsets
use bearings and as such will occasionally require service. I'd prefer
to have a part that I can disassemble (if necessary) on tour with just
a 5mm Allen wrench, instead of a couple of tools (32/35mm cone
wrenches) that have no
On Mon, 2008-12-22 at 16:06 -0800, Invisible wrote:
I know that threaded headsets are reliable, of course. But headsets
use bearings and as such will occasionally require service. I'd prefer
to have a part that I can disassemble (if necessary) on tour with just
a 5mm Allen wrench, instead of
A lesser quibble is that a clamping stem (as in threadless-type stems)
seems like a better design than the expanding wedge bolt on a threaded-
type stem.
Arguably threadless is somewhat stronger - though I have read
convincing arguments against this. In any event, threaded is plenty
strong
on 12/22/08 6:49 PM, JoelMatthews at joelmatth...@mac.com replied to:
lBut I don't want to start an argument over this, I just want to
know whether I can get an Rivendell sells uncut forks for use with a
1 threadless headset - and if so, how long is the steerer.
with:
Grant could probably
on 12/22/08 7:19 PM, CycloFiend at cyclofi...@earthlink.net wrote:
on 12/22/08 6:49 PM, JoelMatthews at joelmatth...@mac.com replied to:
lBut I don't want to start an argument over this, I just want to
know whether I can get an Rivendell sells uncut forks for use with a
1 threadless
From what I have seen, one-inch threadless forks of any description
are pretty scarce. I have one bike in particular that I'd like to
switch to threadless, but I haven't run across anything suitable. New
uncut one inch threadless steel forks tend to be generic and the
tubing is usually not
Rivendell approved:
http://www.rivbike.com/products/list/handlebars_stems_and_tape?page=all#product=16-148
On Mon, Dec 22, 2008 at 9:01 PM, Atlantean
softlysoftlycatcheemon...@gmail.com wrote:
From what I have seen, one-inch threadless forks of any description
are pretty scarce. I have one
Yeah ... I was thinkin' the same thing; unless the idea is to pick a
size smaller than one would normally select, therefore getting the
shorter TT in the process. I tried to make sense of both the geometry
charts plus Grant's narrative on the frame and it almost looks like
that's what he's
Grant and I both ride 58/9's, and on these slopers, like the Bombadil, we
both ride a 52. Here's what he wrote on the Bomba page:
48cm (for 650B wheels). For PBH of about 77 to 83cm; Saddle height 67 to
73.
52cm (for 650B wheels) For PBH of about 81 to 87cm; Saddle height 71 to 77.
56cm (for
The top tubes read long, but the length is sucked up by shallow seat
tube angles and high bars. In fact, they ride normal, maybe even on
the short side of normal.
Some things to think about:
• MOST riders shove the saddle all the way back on the rails. Half of
those wish they could shove it
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