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I am thankful to live in a country that is founded with a Constitution that supports FREEDOMS like SPEECH. I am thankful for a group of "like-minded" cyclists who all share a personal conviction and passion for an activity they love. I have read the aforementioned article and all corresponding

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P.S. I did not intend anecdote in any pejorative sense! Cheers. *a short account of a particular incident or event, especially of an interesting or amusing **nature*. On Wednesday, November 25, 2015 at 4:36:46 PM UTC-5, Steve Palincsar wrote: > > As I pointed out in my 'anecdote,' concerns abo

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I remember Irv Weisman from my days with the New York Cycle Club. When I knew him (early 90s) he was not known for his helmet, but more for his obsession with gearing that would not destroy his knees. As a relatively young speedster at that time, I looked at his charts with amusement. What with

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As I pointed out in my 'anecdote,' concerns about lack of control or existence of cars weren't the reason helmets were developed, and they weren't the reason for the adoption of helmets by /your/ local bike club, back in the day. In fact, I'll tell you another anecdote. I started wearing a ho

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Your anecdote is interesting, but it has nothing to do with the statement I made. I believe a. many more people would ride bikes if cars were more under control, and b. many of them would not be concerned about a helmet. On Wednesday, November 25, 2015 at 9:32:14 AM UTC-5, Steve Palincsar wrote:

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On 11/25/2015 01:46 PM, Doug Williams wrote: As a bicycle safety instructor, I am tired of people labeling cyclists as "good" or "bad" solely on the basis of helmet use. Riding the wrong way against traffic is just one example of bad (and quite common) behavior, but it is WAY more dangerous tha

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Here you go Ron Mc. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Risk_compensation How hard is it to use google? Sheeesh. On Wednesday, November 25, 2015 at 9:46:03 AM UTC-8, Clayton wrote: > > Ron, > > Really? There is a *subconscious* mental process called 'Risk > Compensation'. When I was involved

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On 11/25/2015 03:08 PM, Garth wrote: This so called "minimzing risk" misses the mark completely ! As if "some" risk is better than some "other" amount . Of course a smaller risk is better than a greater risk. If you wait for cars to pass before you walk across the road, you are reducin

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This so called "minimzing risk" misses the mark completely ! As if "some" risk is better than some "other" amount . As long as one believes one is even capable of harm , one is forever vulnerable and all the "safe measures" in the world are not and will never be enough to save anyone from t

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Is saying "You are riding on the wrong side of the road!" shaming? Is telling somebody who is wandering all over the road "Hold your line!" or "HEADS UP!" shaming? How about ringing your bell when somebody coming towards you on the bike trail wanders over into your lane? Is that shaming too?

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Read on if you like . . . for a good dose of self-justification . http://www.anweald.co.uk/cyclehelmets.html http://www.cyclehelmets.org/ -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receivi

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Will, I think we are on the same page. I don't think we should be shaming bicyclists for anything. I was just reacting to the people who say we should shame people for not wearing a helmet. But if not wearing a helmet is a decision that results in an accident that is a "shared event" that effe

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Ron, Really? There is a *subconscious* mental process called 'Risk Compensation'. When I was involved in professional mountain bike racing, I studied all the mental aspects that can affect an athletes performance and this was one of them. I have talked to psychologists about it. I also learne

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Geez Doug, I think this shaming business is getting a little too deep. My suggestion, most simply put, is that one wears a helmet to protect their family. It's not a personal decision, it's a communal decision. It's not about shame. It's about risk evaluation. I reached that conclusion via pe

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Do you shame people who ride the wrong way against traffic? Or is that okay as long as they are wearing their helmet? Wearing a helmet is prudent. Again, I wear mine every time I ride. But it is the LEAST important safety measure that you can take behind (in order) 1. Bike Control, 2. Rule Co

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On 11/25/2015 10:21 AM, Lungimsam wrote: For many years humans rode horses without helmets. Even now people ride horses without helmets, except for the dressage peeps, I think. I wonder if they have the same helmet issues as cyclists? People died from falls from horses all the time. -- You

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For many years humans rode horses without helmets. Even now people ride horses without helmets, except for the dressage peeps, I think. I wonder if they have the same helmet issues as cyclists? I don't buy the helmet-causes-rider-to-ride-more-risky idea either - there are a lot of other body par

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Michael, Good point about what helmets are designed to prevent. Last summer, during an otherwise pleasant off-road ride, I had a low speed crash

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On 11/24/2015 10:30 PM, 'Mark in Beacon' via RBW Owners Bunch wrote: Can someone tell me how being killed by a motor vehicle on a bicycle is any different than being killed by a motor vehicle while walking? If it can save you in a bike/car collision, it can save you in a person/car collision.

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On 11/25/2015 08:23 AM, Ron Mc wrote: if you haven't fallen off your bike yet, you will - that is the event that makes you ride with trepidation. You bet. Even the most experience and the greatest care won't keep this from happening. Random chance: a couple of months ago, a guy in our bike

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Wow. I almost never say anything out loud about wearing a helmet and I almost never post to a topic with more than 25 previous entries, but here I go with both some personal points of observation and perhaps some clarification of what we mean by accident. First, for disclosure. I almost (95%

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if you haven't fallen off your bike yet, you will - that is the event that makes you ride with trepidation. On Wednesday, November 25, 2015 at 7:19:28 AM UTC-6, Ron Mc wrote: > > if you ride in pedestrians and deer, you should add a bell. If you ride > in traffic you should have lights (the p

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if you ride in pedestrians and deer, you should add a bell. If you ride in traffic you should have lights (the pedestrians like a solid headlight, too - they thank me all the time for my light and bell) On Wednesday, November 25, 2015 at 7:06:57 AM UTC-6, Ron Mc wrote: > > You are never going t

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Nah... it's OK. It's getting cold out. We have snow and ice in the Midwest (I am in Wisconsin), so a bit of civilized debating isn't out of order. Hanging the bike on the hooks for a few months is tough. On Wednesday, November 25, 2015 at 7:06:57 AM UTC-6, Ron Mc wrote: > > You are never going

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You are never going to hear, oops my bad, I was wearing my helmet and gloves and shouldn't have been. Helmet and gloves are the basic equipment you need to ride a bike, and there is no downside to them. Been witnessing this topic for years on several boards, but this is by far the dumbest it

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Yes, the tendency toward dual thinking --must be either this or that--that pervades most of modern thought, is particularly on display in certain areas. In cycling, it generally involves chain lube and helmet wearing. I believe iBob no longer allows these types of discussions. The main problem

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Can someone tell me how being killed by a motor vehicle on a bicycle is any different than being killed by a motor vehicle while walking? If it can save you in a bike/car collision, it can save you in a person/car collision. Leaving aside any "data" that proves or disproves the safety value of

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Eric, The numbers are something like 600 deaths a year from cycling, 4000 a year from walking and 30,000 a year from motor vehicles. The numbers doing these activities vary wildly of course. If you know several people who were killed on bikes last year, you know several of the 600 or so who wer

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which is why such discussions are called "helmet wars" On 11/24/2015 08:42 PM, dougP wrote: Come to think of it, hasn't nearly every helmet thread similarly degenerated? On Tuesday, November 24, 2015 at 4:35:29 PM UTC-8, Patrick Moore wrote: Moderator! We need you! -- You received thi

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On 11/24/2015 09:25 PM, Eric Norris wrote: Not that cycling is that dangerous, but I'd like to see the data showing that "walking on the street" is more dangerous than riding a bike. Or that walking on the street presents a danger that is specifically addressed by the wearing of a helmet.

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Not that cycling is that dangerous, but I'd like to see the data showing that "walking on the street" is more dangerous than riding a bike. On a personal level, I've lost several friends/acquaintances over the past year, killed by motor vehicles while riding their bikes. I can't think of a singl

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If data indicates that helmets mitigate head damage and if you choose to ignore that data... whose lives have you compromised? Yours? For sure. Your wife's, your children... well... maybe the shame label is appropriate. I'll accept that opinion. On Tuesday, November 24, 2015 at 5:37:13 PM U

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Come to think of it, hasn't nearly every helmet thread similarly degenerated? On Tuesday, November 24, 2015 at 4:35:29 PM UTC-8, Patrick Moore wrote: > > Moderator! We need you! > > > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To un

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Yes, and you also disrespect your family when you fail to wear a helmet in your car or while walking on the street, both of which are more dangerous than bicycling. This is just the kind of "helmet shaming" that I am talking about. On Tuesday, November 24, 2015 at 1:40:03 PM UTC-8, Will wrote:

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Kelly, I think there's another perspective that has not been mentioned here... When I was sitting outside the ER waiting for the Cat-Scans on my wife, I realized that her injuries were not simply hers. Her injuries belonged to our children, our parents, our neighbors... The decision to wear,

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On 11/24/2015 04:13 PM, Kelly wrote: For those wondering why helmet laws were brought up. The below quote is in the article and why I brought it up. "As a result of their findings, Drs. Haider and Joseph said that the next step is to create injury prevention programs to increase helmet use

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For those wondering why helmet laws were brought up. The below quote is in the article and why I brought it up. "As a result of their findings, Drs. Haider and Joseph said that the next step is to create injury prevention programs to increase helmet use among bicyclists, to manufacture bette

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So let's see, we are talking about an effort to "prevent" a future which does not exist . Seems to me such effort then would be an "enslavement" . Bound by that "might happen" in some other now, but are not present here and now. If I have not now I have nothing as there is nothing else but

[RBW] Re: Smart Guys: Bicycle Helmets Reduce Injuries

Okay, what do you suggest? Should we pass mandatory helmet laws that will reduce ridership so that doctors won't be traumatized by injured bicyclists? Even though: 1) The few remaining bicyclists will be at greater risk. 2) Many more people will die of obesity and other fitness related diseases

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I haven't looked at the article but I will. I do want to say that I'm not entrenched in any position aside from freedom of choice and please, don't proselytize. On Sunday, November 22, 2015 at 9:02:05 PM UTC-6, Eric Norris wrote: > > Not that this is going to change a single mind on the subjec

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MD's are not just tired of *looking at trauma*, I know someone who treats ER MD's for vicarious psychological trauma suffered from treating mangled accident victims. Can you imagine needing to see a shrink, because you are too psychologically traumatized from working in the ER to ride your own

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That's what I have been saying all along. I choose to wear a helmet. I encourage others to wear a helmet. But I don't support mandatory helmet laws and I don't insult or shame those who choose not to wear a helmet. That reduces ridership. Reduced ridership hurts everyone. Just Ride! -- You

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I'd probably ride more gingerly if I found myself on a long steep mountain descent without a helmet for some reason. You'd ride it the same helmet or no helmet? On Tuesday, November 24, 2015 at 10:03:25 AM UTC-8, Ron Mc wrote: > > just like the projection on this thread. It's simply about be

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Lets remember that we are all adults here. We all should be able to make our own choices and I would hope that we don't have to stoop to name calling. Wear what you wear. Please don't preach. Cheers, Scott On Tue, Nov 24, 2015 at 1:12 PM, Ron Mc wrote: > conspiracy theories? seriously? thi

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conspiracy theories? seriously? this simply about smart choice v. dumb choice. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr

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just like the projection on this thread. It's simply about being sensible v. not. It's totally stupid to say wearing a helmet makes you want to go faster or wantonly. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from

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If I thought bicycling was such a daredevil activity and a crash where a helmet may or may not help me was likely, I'd stay on the couch. But after twenty years of wearing one I'll stick to it out of habit, peer pressure, and if something bad does happen don't want the newspaper article reporti

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Do the foil hats that some wear offer some degree of protection??? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.

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actually, I don't wonder that at all - I think they'e tired of looking at needlessly severe trauma, just like my MD friends who abhor motorcycles. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop rec

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Benz brings up a very good point, and we should listen to him because he has experience in these things. Yes, many such “studies” are political in nature and funded by special interests. So…I don’t know about this study, but many such studies have been funded by the automobile insurance indust

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The IQ of the counter-helmet arguments continues to plummet. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.

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> > Helmets can give a false sense of security. There is risk compensation, > where you ride faster and a touch more reckless because you feel safer > wearing a helmet. A Neurologist stated that you can get a fatal head injury > from a three foot fall. I wear my helmet most of the time, and hav

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That's a very cynical view. On 11/24/2015 08:28 AM, Garth wrote: Exactly follow the money . Every "study" has and angle to promote. On Tuesday, November 24, 2015 at 12:31:21 AM UTC-5, Benz, Sunnyvale, CA wrote: I will like to see if there are any sponsors to this analysis. The

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Not helmets, but a myriad of "other benefits" of endless variety of which would astound . There is always a finacial angle for someone . On Tuesday, November 24, 2015 at 6:12:26 AM UTC-5, Ron Mc wrote: > > conflict of interest - you believe these surgeons have helmets for sale. > --

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Exactly follow the money . Every "study" has and angle to promote. On Tuesday, November 24, 2015 at 12:31:21 AM UTC-5, Benz, Sunnyvale, CA wrote: > > > I will like to see if there are any sponsors to this analysis. The > sentence "next step is to create injury prevention programs to in

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conflict of interest - you believe these surgeons have helmets for sale. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googl

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I do actually work in the healthcare industry (helping run clinical trials no less!). My impression of this short article and an even shorter abstract (lol) is that I cannot say the conclusion is supported one way or the other, because there simply isn't enough information and details to chew o

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the law argument is that most states don't require motorcycle helmets. I also don't know a surgeon who would ever own a motorcycle - they hate them because they have to stop and render aid at every one, but they all ride bikes. . It ends up being about common sense. I would vote in favor of a

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Tim, You wrote about car safety: "because cars have four wheels and are good at staying on them." I agree, but still 30,000 people die in car wrecks every year and 280,000 get head injuries from cars. Each year. Still, some things are safer than others. Biking in the Netherlands is safer than

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Edwin -- I agree with your suggestions, but not with the "racer" qualification. Instead of "driving/riding like a racer", I'd say "driving/riding aggressively", or more specifically "driving/riding with a reasonable suspicion of landing on one's head". Racing driving, stunt driving, etc, are reas

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why listen to published medical facts researched and peer reviewed by the American College of Surgeons when you can make pointless analogies (rhetorical question) I would say the fact that 75% of traumatic brain injuries occurred in riders not wear helmets is alone significant even without the

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The way I think about it is this (supported by the article): if you get in a wreck, a helmet will probably help. Then I think of these questions: Do you think wearing a helmet when walking would make you more safe, less safe, or about the same? Do you think wearing a helmet when driving (as the p

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And, mea culpa, I just broke my own rule of reading the whole thread before commenting. I see others pointed this out already and didn't mean to pile on Eric. I appreciated the link. -joe in pdx Caveat lector. Sent from a phone. On Nov 23, 2015 9:00 AM, "Joe Broach" wrote: > On Nov 23, 2015 6:1

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On Nov 23, 2015 6:16 AM, "Eric Norris" wrote: > > Well said, Steve. Nobody is suggesting mandatory helmets--on bikes, in the shower, or elsewhere. Yes they are--in the article you linked to, the paper authors are quoted "As a result of their findings, Drs. Haider and Joseph said that the next ste

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next up, the usefulness of blinkies in giving drivers an extra 30 seconds alert to your presence on the road On Monday, November 23, 2015 at 9:51:55 AM UTC-6, Montclair BobbyB wrote: > > Whew, I was so afraid I would miss the annual helmet discussion... This > year is no different and I am still

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Been on my helmet 3 times. One flip at 18mph. All three times, my helmet protected my face and scalp from serious road rash. On Monday, November 23, 2015 at 8:37:54 AM UTC-6, Steve Palincsar wrote: > > I disagree. I've had several crashes over the years, all due to road > hazards: sand, ero

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it's hard to do 12 mph in the shower, but falling off one's bike is frequent enough to be a likelihood. On Monday, November 23, 2015 at 8:16:27 AM UTC-6, Eric Norris wrote: > > Well said, Steve. Nobody is suggesting mandatory helmets--on bikes, in the > shower, or elsewhere. > > Eric N > www.

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Whew, I was so afraid I would miss the annual helmet discussion... This year is no different and I am still at the same conclusion. I will continue to choose to wear my helmet (most of the time), and be grateful I have a choice to ride through town wearing only a baseball cap (and equally grate

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On 11/23/2015 10:19 AM, Eric Norris wrote: Ok. I guess I mentally separated the results--a helmet protects your head when it hits the ground--from their suggestion that it would be a good idea to require the use of helmets. The former seems to be to be a fact-based conclusion, the latter an opi

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Now, now, boys and girls…. From: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com [mailto:rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Eric Norris Sent: Monday, November 23, 2015 10:17 AM To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [RBW] Re: Smart Guys: Bicycle Helmets Reduce Injuries ... Or while

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... Or while taking a shower. Eric N www.CampyOnly.com CampyOnlyGuy.blogspot.com Twitter: @CampyOnlyGuy > On Nov 23, 2015, at 6:39 AM, Steve Palincsar wrote: > > Irrelevant question. We aren't discussing whether or not one should wear a > helmet while driving in a car. > >> On 11/23/2015 09:

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Ok. I guess I mentally separated the results--a helmet protects your head when it hits the ground--from their suggestion that it would be a good idea to require the use of helmets. The former seems to be to be a fact-based conclusion, the latter an opinion. Eric N www.CampyOnly.com CampyOnlyGuy

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Fine. I did say I didn't read the article all that closely. Anyway, that's just their opinion. Their work doesn't necessarily lead to that conclusion. What's more, none of us would object to efforts to get manufacturers to make better helmets, and few would object to efforts to increase helm

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Quoting from the article: "As a result of their findings, Drs. Haider and Joseph said that the next step is to create injury prevention programs to increase helmet use among bicyclists, to manufacture better helmets, and to develop and enforce stricter laws for helmet use." Doug On Monday, Nov

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Umm...Eric...read the article again. The authors of the study recommended mandatory helmet laws. On Monday, November 23, 2015 at 6:16:27 AM UTC-8, Eric Norris wrote: > > Well said, Steve. Nobody is suggesting mandatory helmets--on bikes, in the > shower, or elsewhere. > > Eric N > www.CampyOnly

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I don't wear a helmet, I wear a AEPMSD. AeroDynamic Expanded Polystyrene Mirror Support Device. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bu

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Irrelevant question. We aren't discussing whether or not one should wear a helmet while driving in a car. On 11/23/2015 09:30 AM, Lynne Cooney wrote: This is just a question, not trying to stir up trouble. How many donors did you have from car occupants who also would have been saved by a hel

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I disagree. I've had several crashes over the years, all due to road hazards: sand, eroded roots, potholes, cracks, black ice -- not one of which involved cars and none of which would have been mitigated in any way by having more cyclists on the road. And several people I know were involved

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This is just a question, not trying to stir up trouble. How many donors did you have from car occupants who also would have been saved by a helmet? On Monday, November 23, 2015 at 6:21:55 AM UTC-8, Eric Norris wrote: > > In that vein, here's a reply to the same post from a friend: > > "Nicely sai

[RBW] Re: Smart Guys: Bicycle Helmets Reduce Injuries

Who can resist the helme(n)t war? I was hit by a car. My helmet was cracked in two. I had no head injury. I'm damn glad I was wearing it. But this was a road ride, where I was actually trying to keep my average speed at around 17mph for 62 miles. I'm going to wear a helmet in that case. We hav

Re: [RBW] Re: Smart Guys: Bicycle Helmets Reduce Injuries

In that vein, here's a reply to the same post from a friend: "Nicely said Eric.I too wear a helmet every time I'm on my bike! I definitely advocate wearing helmets for any type of riding. I worked in transplantation for 10 years and I assure you we had several donors because of the choice not t

Re: [RBW] Re: Smart Guys: Bicycle Helmets Reduce Injuries

Well said, Steve. Nobody is suggesting mandatory helmets--on bikes, in the shower, or elsewhere. Eric N www.CampyOnly.com CampyOnlyGuy.blogspot.com Twitter: @CampyOnlyGuy > On Nov 23, 2015, at 5:10 AM, Steve Palincsar wrote: > > When did mandatory helmet laws enter this discussion? I didn't

Re: [RBW] Re: Smart Guys: Bicycle Helmets Reduce Injuries

This is what was left of the helmet that saved my wife's life. Not my opinion... the direct observation of the trauma surgeon... We still had trouble, but... On Monday, November 23

[RBW] Re: Smart Guys: Bicycle Helmets Reduce Injuries

I think as more bicycles are on the road, helmets will become less necessary. I think a better way to promote bicycling is to have a traffic system where bicycles and cars don't share the same road, physically and psychologically. A lot of my friends won't ride bikes in the city for this reason

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just the wrong impact at 12 mph is enough to kill you - helmet is a no-brainer > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr

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When did mandatory helmet laws enter this discussion? I didn't read the article all that closely, but the gist of it as I recall it is that the wearing of helmets was in fact effective in the cases cited. That itself has been called in question in the past, and it is worthwhile attempting to

[RBW] Re: Smart Guys: Bicycle Helmets Reduce Injuries

Hey, I wear my helmet all the time, but…The article fails to mention several OTHER important facts. Because of this, the study simply can’t be taken seriously. You simply can’t pick only the facts that support your desired conclusion; you must weigh all the facts. Those advocating helmet laws

Re: [RBW] Re: Smart Guys: Bicycle Helmets Reduce Injuries

There is risk in pretty much everything we do in life. As you point out, unless compelled to do otherwise by laws, we all assess and respond to those risks in different ways. I didn’t see the article as saying that bicycling is risky (a high rate of accidents), just that wearing a helmet can red

[RBW] Re: Smart Guys: Bicycle Helmets Reduce Injuries

I'm not anti helmet and if I know I'm going down I would choose to have a helmet on. The article as many suggests that cycling is dangerous and 59% better chance of surviving a terrible crash. Well .. trouble is the chance of me having that terrible crash is pretty insignificant. Regardless