[RBW] Re: What're the best cantilever brakes out there?

Eric, you certainly have gotten a lot of advice and all I can offer is a single data point. First, I will second Steve's observation that the Rene Herse equipment is generally made for an integrated bike system, so it often doesn't lend itself to a retrofit. Second, different brakes work

[RBW] Re: What're the best cantilever brakes out there?

On Thursday, April 25, 2019 at 10:23:13 AM UTC-7, Ash wrote: > > I'll be damned! > > > https://www.ebay.com/itm/XTR-M900-brake-set-Shimano-cantilever-Vintage-Mountain-Bike-mtb-2-NOS/312434294778?epid=1301629719=item48be88fffa:g:9xIAAOSwAxNZ0AjQ > >

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This is true. My biggest gripe with the cantis I almost forgot about - it cannot fit anything wider than 54mm according to their specs. I wanted to make a canti RTP bike, but with fenders these cantis would not work either. On Wednesday, April 24, 2019 at 4:10:18 PM UTC-4, Steve Palincsar

[RBW] Re: What're the best cantilever brakes out there?

Ash, those are NOS & offered by someone with an inflated opinion of their value; occasional searching will turn up more reasonably priced used sets. Appearance wise they hold up well over time and any I buy, I am intent on using, so NOS means nothing to me. Of course they fall into that

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Damned indeed.  That's some mighty serious money they're asking for them.  They weren't just MTB: I had them on my Santana tandem, where they worked just fine.  For that money, though, there's simply no way I'd choose them over the Rene Herse cantilevers. On 4/25/19 1:23 PM, Ash wrote: I'll

[RBW] Re: What're the best cantilever brakes out there?

I'll be damned! https://www.ebay.com/itm/XTR-M900-brake-set-Shimano-cantilever-Vintage-Mountain-Bike-mtb-2-NOS/312434294778?epid=1301629719=item48be88fffa:g:9xIAAOSwAxNZ0AjQ

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Yes, thanks Steve. Very cool. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send

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Enough about the brakes. Now please tell us all about those down tube shifters. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to

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On 4/24/19 3:34 PM, phil k wrote: My one dislike for the Rene Herse cantis are the roller yokes. They are bulky and take more real estate and interfere with the fork crown mount of a rack, they are also finicky to set up considering the rest of the brakes are a breeze to set up. I had to use a

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My one dislike for the Rene Herse cantis are the roller yokes. They are bulky and take more real estate and interfere with the fork crown mount of a rack, they are also finicky to set up considering the rest of the brakes are a breeze to set up. I had to use a more traditional yoke like your

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Darin: I daresay you are wary before being weary of cantilever advice. All: General question: What are the respective benefits and defects of high profile and low profile cantilever brakes? Which style, and which make/model of that style, would you (singly) choose, and why? On Wed, Apr 24, 2019

[RBW] Re: What're the best cantilever brakes out there?

This is a good take. I'm weary of any claim that a given high quality cantilever brake is objectively better than the rest. Of the high quality options, pick one that fits your frame requirements, aesthetics, and/or mechanical aptitude. Even the lower quality ones can be coaxed to work well

[RBW] Re: What're the best cantilever brakes out there?

The best cantilever brake is a pretty broad topic & all the ones mentioned here are great, but I personally like first generation Shimano XTR cantis myself. I think they only made them 1 or 2 years before switching to V brakes, but they are quite pretty, light, strong and stop good. You can

[RBW] Re: What're the best cantilever brakes out there?

What Dave said, Paul cantis, especially combined with Paul levers, are the best brakes extant. On Monday, April 15, 2019 at 8:53:17 AM UTC-5, Dave Grossman wrote: > > Hey Erik, > > You are going to get a million opinions but Pauls are really easier than > all other canti's to setup. The

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I run Tektro 720s on my lock up/commuter/porteur and they work just fine with salmon pads, clearing inflated RTPs with ease. I've Pauls on another nicer bike and prefer them over the Tektro 720s, they're the best cantis I've used. However, so long as they're decent brakes, i.e. any of the

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Thanks Will. I thought they were called grub screws because they're so freaking tiny and always falling out of things onto the ground and you have to grub around looking for them. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To

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Will, I always thought it was silly that these hangers have a total of three (3) fasteners to hold it in place where none (0) are actually necessary. That said, I have had a set of 720's with such mismatched springs that it was necessary to actually use different tension holes on either brake

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Dear Mark, The grubscrews to which you refer are on the straddle wire carrier, and are only used to locate the straddle cable carrier on the straddle cable. They are not directly in the load path. I've never used them. I pull

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>Do the Tektros use one of those grub screws to anchor the straddle cable? Dear Steve, Nope. They use a cast end on one side and a pinch clamp for the other. A grub screw bearing directly on a stranded cable loaded in tension is also described as the "death clamp", right? There are ways to

[RBW] Re: What're the best cantilever brakes out there?

Initially when I built up my first Rivendell 2 yrs ago I used Cantis. Went through, I think, 4 pairs, out of curiosity how they differ - VO Zeste, CR-710, Avid Shorty Ultimate and one other I can't remember. I was most impressed with the Avid in terms of performance and design (I'm not

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And there is a significant difference between /formal standards/ (a specification that has been approved by a standards setting organization) and /de facto/ /standard/s (a specification (or protocol or technology) that has achieved widespread use and acceptance – often without being approved

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Like brake lever pull, BB width, headset diameter, rear hub OLD. Standards seem to exist for others to deviate from. Andy Cheatham Pittsburgh On Monday, April 15, 2019 at 5:03:29 PM UTC-4, Steve Palincsar wrote: > > So because there is a different standard for bottom bracket threading to >

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Hi Will. Yes, I've been rolling with the tektro 720's on my 26in road bike for a few years, been through a couple of sets of Koolstops. Steve, they do have the grub screw. But it's not necessary to use it. I think there are lots of variables that makes for such a wide variety of opinions. The

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This conversation will have a million opinions. The tektros, in my opinion, are satisfactory at best. I haven’t tried the compass ones so I won’t weigh in. I will say that the Shimanos seem most intuitively strong and set upable out of the box. I’m not a giant fan of the Paul spring adjustment

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Do the Tektros use one of those grub screws to anchor the straddle cable? On 4/15/19 8:56 PM, William deRosset wrote: Dear Mark, Tektro cr720's are a fine enough brake, and when set up properly, work as well as any. They have the significant advantage of using orbital brake pads and slotted

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Dear Mark, Tektro cr720's are a fine enough brake, and when set up properly, work as well as any. They have the significant advantage of using orbital brake pads and slotted pad holder mounts that greatly simplify setup. Just replace the astonishingly bad Tektro brake blocks with Kool-Stop

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Absolutely.  I was enchanted with it from the moment I first saw it at the Classic Rendezvous Weekend last May.  I know Peter Weigle loves the Mafac cantilevers, but he's told me he was pleasantly surprised - and very surprised indeed because the geometry is identical - at how much better the

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James: I appreciate strong opinions, but I think saying that wide profile should be "discounted" for everything unless you are, to use a derogatory term, doing a "reenactment" is silly. My CR720s work just fine, as do my Dia Compe and Mafac wide profile brakes. I would guess you'll find other

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Beautiful bike, Steve. Built for the RH, and vice versa. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To

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Sorry, I can't dumb it down any more. I'm out. On Monday, April 15, 2019 at 5:03:29 PM UTC-4, Steve Palincsar wrote: > > So because there is a different standard for bottom bracket threading to > British, British BB threading is no longer a standard? > > If you want to use the Herse brakes,

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So because there is a different standard for bottom bracket threading to British, British BB threading is no longer a standard? If you want to use the Herse brakes, distance between posts should be: 62 - 84 mm.  According to discussions I've seen on the forums, back in the heyday of

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Sorry Steve, no standard. A standard to be a standard must be universal, independent of brands of parts, frame or builder. British BB threading, that's a standard. On Monday, April 15, 2019 at 3:41:21 PM UTC-4, Steve Palincsar wrote: > > There is a standard, it's just that not everybody has

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My latest bike has Rene Herse cantilevers. The bike is a JP Weigle, and it is 100.000% to spec.  Alignment is perfect.  Of course, you would expect that. I took this with my flip phone the other day while out test riding.  I haven't actually finished 100% with the build and haven't sat down

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I just put them on mine and they fit quite nicely and have nice finish to fit with an older bike. Still having to fine tune the noise out of the front brake. David Hays Williamsville, New York > On Apr 15, 2019, at 3:39 PM, EasyRider wrote: > > Another benefit of the Altus cantis is that they

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There is a standard, it's just that not everybody has followed it.   Most cantilever brakes try to incorporate a lot of adjustability to compensate for that. Since the Herse brake is primarily intended for custom bikes, the expectation is the builder will adhere to the published

[RBW] Re: What're the best cantilever brakes out there?

Another benefit of the Altus cantis is that they will work with older forks that have narrower post spacing. The Bridgestone RB-T, for example. On Monday, April 15, 2019 at 3:21:58 PM UTC-4, Garth wrote: > > > I too find that price in no guarantees anything more than the expenditure > itself.

[RBW] Re: What're the best cantilever brakes out there?

I too find that price in no guarantees anything more than the expenditure itself. For me the best canti per given frame is the one that works. Oh I know how that sounds, but from the all the bikes I have/had with canti brakes, no 2 are ever alike. For one there is no standard spacing

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Another nice set of Cantis were the recent iteration Campagnolo put out. I believe they were made for them by Tektro. They are the best cantis I have ever uses and I continue to have them on 2 bikes (have used Pauls, Shimano, Empella, Mafac in the past). I don't think they are in production

[RBW] Re: What're the best cantilever brakes out there?

Erik, If I understand you, what you want is a brake that will allow you to run wider tires than you have now, and remove your wheels without deflating your tires. Everyone has their favorite brake, but if it doesn't open up far enough to do those things, it won't be your favorite brake,

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Steve, are you using the Rene Herse cantilevers? Newer or older canti stud spacing? Did the pads align in the middle of the slots straight out of the gate? Jeff Hagedorn Los Angeles, CA USA -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group.

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I've been really happy with the Velo Orange Gran Cru Zeste. I've been using them for nearly 5 years and both the stopping power and modulation is great. Marc On Sunday, April 14, 2019 at 8:00:01 PM UTC-4,

[RBW] Re: What're the best cantilever brakes out there?

I'll go out on a limb and commit heresy here. The best current available Canti is a Shimano Altus or Alivio set up with Kool Stop Salmon Pads. They're ugly, they're tough, they're harder to adjust than a CX50, but they work really well and they last forever. If you wanna get all retro, just

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On 4/15/19 9:53 AM, Dave Grossman wrote: Hey Erik, You are going to get a million opinions but Pauls are really easier than all other canti's to setup.  The mechanism they use to control spring tension is just so easy to adjust. I also think getting some good Kool Stop pads makes a huge

[RBW] Re: What're the best cantilever brakes out there?

I haven't used the pricier cantilevers from Rene Herse or Paul, so I can't compare to those, but I did install a new set of CX50s on my Sam. They work great. I had been running a set of Avid V brakes, and switched solely because I wanted to use different set of levers that worked better with my

[RBW] Re: What're the best cantilever brakes out there?

Hey Erik, You are going to get a million opinions but Pauls are really easier than all other canti's to setup. The mechanism they use to control spring tension is just so easy to adjust. I also think getting some good Kool Stop pads makes a huge difference. -- You received this message