Wow! Mark, thank you so so much. Now I understand more.
Have a great weekend!
Joan Wang
On Thu, Feb 28, 2013 at 8:26 PM, M. E. m.k.e.m...@gmail.com wrote:
I don't see a reply to this post, so I'll give it a go.
Joan Wang jw...@illinoisheartland.org wrote:
Is there a note order requirement
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I initially also thought that contained in (work) could be used in
this situation. But the more I thought about it, the more confusing it
became, since it seems that the compilation in question must be a
component part of the serial if the RDA relationship designator
contained in (work) can be
Dear RDA-L readers,
On January 11th I asked a question (subject: question
about dates in 264 fields) about the use of brackets and periods, and received
several responses, most memorably from Deborah Fritz (who provided pertinent
technical documentation) and Mac Elrod (who among all the
I don't think there really is an appropriate RDA relationship designator for
this kind of relationship--at least not yet. I think this kind of relationship
is best taken care of by a simple note, e.g. Articles originally published in:
... That could be in a 580, or in 787 with the note in $i
Hi all.
Occasionally I have tried briefly to explain to non-cataloging library
colleagues about some of the changes they might be seeing in the catalog. I
mention the no abbreviations rule[s] and go on to say, except for cm which is
not an abbreviation, but a symbol and does not have a
I think of it as being a standard abbreviation/symbol for a unit of measurement
before any cataloguing code got hold of it. The same can’t be said of
illustrations/ill. although I’m sure pages/p. can generate lots of debate over
the weekend.
Tom
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Thomas Meehan
Head of Current Cataloguing
There is an exception for abbreviation, min. for minutes, while we say that
RDA is not use abbreviations any more. We can explain the reason why not
use abbreviations. But how can we explain the exception?
Let's have fun with RDA :)
Joan Wang
Illinois Heartland Library System
On Fri, Mar 1,
The lack of abbreviations in RDA has been exaggerated. Abbreviations for units
of measure are used in:
Dimensions (B.5.1)
Extent of Storage Space (B.5.2)
Duration (B.5.3)
Additional Scale Information (B.5.7)
Right
Kevin, Thanks for these. These appear in Appendix B. Is there a simple
rationale when use abbreviations and when not?
Thanks,
Joan Wang
Illinois Heartland Library System
On Fri, Mar 1, 2013 at 11:55 AM, Kevin M Randall k...@northwestern.eduwrote:
The lack of abbreviations in RDA has been
I suspect that part of the problem here is that we are still hoping that
the level of aggregation-as-work will still be the assumed level that will
be expected to be described for the future. It might, but I think we will
see additional instances where dis-aggregation will be part of the mix,
Not sure about a simple rationale. But perhaps a simple rule of thumb
would be:
1. For transcribed elements (including words quoted in notes), don't
abbreviate what you see on the resource.
2. When recording other elements, generally don't abbreviate, except for
the following:
Yuji posted:
I initially also thought that contained in (work) could be used in
this situation. But the more I thought about it, the more confusing it
became ...
Our clients have rejected 7XX$i even more strongly than 1XX/7XX $e,
perhaps because $i comes at the beginning of the field?
Have
Adam,
Thanks very much for pointing this out. I thought I'd checked the examples,
but I missed that one. I have asked whether this could be clarified somewhat
at 6.27.1.7
Deborah
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Deborah Fritz
TMQ, Inc.
debo...@marcofquality.com
www.marcofquality.com
-Original
Do not worry about that. I would not ask the question :)
Thanks a lot. At least I have some kind of rule :)
Joan Wang
Illinois Heartland Library System
On Fri, Mar 1, 2013 at 12:35 PM, Kevin M Randall k...@northwestern.eduwrote:
Not sure about a simple rationale. But perhaps a simple rule
Ian posted:
I am in the process of preparing a workshop
RDA and the Local Library ...
Below is the letter we plan to send clients after our SLC Directors'
meeting March 18 to decide SLC RDA practices. In the RDA Changes
section you will see what we though were the important changes to
mention.
I will have to confess my ignorance about metric symbols. Until I began
studying RDA, I thought cm and other symbols were abbreviations. (Am I the
only one so ignorant? If so, I'm embarrassed. ) So I understand what you mean.
cm without a period has nothing to do with RDA.
But what about
I agree with Thomas that the authors of the articles in this compilation of
articles are co-creators, as per
19.1.2http://access.rdatoolkit.org/19.1.2.html
That rule tells us If the resource being described contains two or more works
associated with different persons, ... record the persons
I think most of us were ignorant about metric symbols before RDA came along. I
certainly was. As was AACR2 itself!
Kevin M. Randall
Principal Serials Cataloger
Northwestern University Library
k...@northwestern.edumailto:k...@northwestern.edu
(847) 491-2939
Proudly wearing the sensible shoes
Where I say:
Notice the period at the end of cm., that's in reference to the fact that
it's not a period at the end of the field, because it continues with the +e.
It's cleary an abbreviation.
Michele
- Original Message -
From: Michele Estep mes...@scad.edu
To:
Bernadette asked: And if a composer sets a pre-existing poem to music, what
relator term should the poet get? None of the creator list terms are
available, and 'writer of added lyrics' presumes that the music predates the
text.
No one has replied to this yet, so I'll try to tackle it.
You mean like Beethoven using Schiller's Ode to Joy?
Cindy
Bernadette asked: And if a composer
sets a pre-existing poem to music,
what
relator term
should the poet get? None of the creator list terms are
available, and 'writer of added lyrics' presumes that the music
predates
the
And for a really complicated situation how about Mahler's Das Lied von der
Erde. Mahler used Hans Bethge's poetry anthology Die chinesische Flöte which
was in turn translated from English and French versions of poems by 2 Tang
dynasty poets, Li Bai Wang Wei.
At one time I had tracked down Li
See, thats where the real fun in WEMI really comes in.
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Deborah Fritz
TMQ, Inc.
mailto:debo...@marcofquality.com debo...@marcofquality.com
http://www.marcofquality.com www.marcofquality.com
From: Resource Description and Access / Resource Description and
The wise Deborah said:
I agree with Thomas that the authors of the articles in this compilation
of articles are co-creators ...
So for whom would you use $e contributor, or $4 ctb, if not for the
writers of portions of a compilation?
I fear using $e author or $4 aut will result in the first
Adam posted:
It appears from this information and the instruction in RDA 16.2.2.11 that
the access points for Jersey and Guernsey would be changed to unqualified
places ...
I hope well enough will be left alone. Otherwise, the headings look
like breeds of cows! If not jurisdictions, they are
Ian Fairclough ifairclough43...@yahoo.com wrote:
Will they need to know about periods at the end of fields, and ISBD
punctuation? I doubt it.
I agree. However, I still mention this to folks since I can't judge
who does or who doesn't care about this sort of thing. On the double
punctuation
M. E. m.k.e.m...@gmail.com wrote:
19.3: Other Person, Family, and Corporate Body Associated with a Work
Designator: other (work)
Example: 700 1- Doe, John, $e other (work)
21.6: Other Person, Family, and Corporate Body Associated with a Manifestation
Designator: other (manifestation)
22.4:
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