Re: [RDA-L] Publication/distribution/manufacturer statement

will make any difference in searching. Jack >>> "J. McRee Elrod" 12/6/2013 1:00 PM >>> Jack Wu said: >you can for the time being at least, go back to AACR: >Just use: S.L. : s.n., n.d. AACR2 did no have "n.d.". One was supposed to guess, even

Re: [RDA-L] Publication/distribution/manufacturer statement

ntified], and [date of publication not identified]. These are the "... not identified" placeholders referenced by Thomas Brenndorfer in his earlier reply. John Myers, Catalog Librarian Schaffer Library, Union College Schenectady NY 12308 518-388-6623 ( tel:518-388-6623) mye...@union.edu

Re: [RDA-L] Publication/distribution/manufacturer statement

When all elements are lacking, and there's no RDA provision, I suppose you can for the time being at least, go back to AACR: Just use: S.L. : s.n., n.d. Until no mixed record or coding is allowed, or a 264 5 should come along. Jack Jack Wu Franciscan University of Steuben

Re: [RDA-L] Access to the knowledge of cataloging

rulers of the temporal and temporary flesh and blood kind who have so far failed to come up with a stable standard. Whether anyone will come is anyone's guess; perhaps we will find that out soon enough. Jack Jack Wu Franciscan University of Steubenville j...@franciscan.edu >>> Ja

Re: [RDA-L] RDA Toolkit Price Change

If the cost of changing that awful legacy data is prohibitively high, what good are all the wonderful things that cannot be fully implemented. Price change is one thing, product changes another. If the Toolkit continues to be unfinished, unstable, untried, what's to say how much, or little it ma

Re: [RDA-L] 502 dissertation note in RDA

$g is superfluous. Also, can your system display the text in $g in front of the other data? If not, I think it would just look odd. Adam From: Jack Wu ( mailto:j...@franciscan.edu) Sent: Friday, October 25, 2013 5:32 AM To: RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CA Subject: Re: [RDA-L] 502 dissertation

Re: [RDA-L] 502 dissertation note in RDA

Adam, As you say, in the structured 502 $a is not used. In which case $g Thesis would be helpful, incorrect, or superfluous? Jack Jack Wu Franciscan University of Steubenville j...@franciscan.edu >>> Adam Schiff 10/25/2013 3:42 AM >>> In the structured (or complex) 502,

Re: [RDA-L] 502 dissertation note in RDA

e; uses $a only." It seems if you follow LC/PCC practice, you would use $b $c $d, the "complex one." Jack Jack Wu Franciscan University of Steubenville j...@franciscan.edu >>> "McRae, Rick" 10/24/2013 9:38 AM >>> Hi, Basma—I’ve been following the “co

Re: [RDA-L] Proposal to RDA 5.1.4 by EURIG

Yes, these discussions, over 500 lengthy ones, certainly are on the JSC website. But I was hoping for something more summarizing in nature, yet not so brief as just a listing by date of the documents. Jack Jack Wu Franciscan University of Steubenville j...@franciscan.edu >>> Gene

Re: [RDA-L] Proposal to RDA 5.1.4 by EURIG

next best alternative. Is there a summary every so often of changes of any consequence that one should be aware of? Jack Jack Wu Franciscan University of Steubenville j...@franciscan.edu >>> "Danskin, Alan" 10/21/2013 5:08 AM >>> Dear Yan, I will take the liberty of

Re: [RDA-L] RDA name authorities |c (Fictitious character)

t, or assume that Pooh, Snoopy, and Kermit actually wrote anything . Such pretense will not make catalogers, cataloging, or the cataloging code more intelligent or more intelligible than they are not.   Jack   Jack Wu Franciscan University of Steubenville j...@franciscan.edu     >>&g

Re: [RDA-L] RDA name authorities |c (Fictitious character)

that happens will Schultz and Milne go to the secondary 700? The autobiography of Sherlock Holmes (OCLC#828418251) has Holmes in 100, and 600; Watson in 650. Am I just behind with the changes? Jack Jack Wu Franciscan University of Steubenville j...@franciscan.edu >>> Adam Schiff 10/11

Re: [RDA-L] French-language book ... with summary in French

think if a note exists, and is applicable, I would leave it alone, and to construct a note, I would stop where I'm competent to do, to provide one lengthy or brief, in either or both languages. Jack Jack Wu Franciscan University of Steubenville j...@franciscan.edu >>> "J.

Re: [RDA-L] new edition

mples that illustrate differences in geographic coverage, etc.: OCLC#15176463 Eastern edition. OCLC#3787143 Western edition. OCLC#22196174 Europe. OCLC#36098632 Central Edition. OCLC#48917220 Classroom Ed. Jack Jack Wu Franciscan University of Steubenville j...@franciscan.edu >>>

Re: [RDA-L] question about Publisher Name

I think if AACR2 clearly says Shortest Form, and RDA still allows Omission of Levels, and LC/PCC only says Generally Not to Omit, I'd stick with the AACR2 way, at least until machines take over. It is to the point and sufficient, consistent with past practice, and at least still not against RDA r

Re: [RDA-L] A date between 1310 and 1319

For between 1310 and 1319, can you not say 1310s anymore. It says in the draft version of RDA 1.9.2.5: Decade Known: If the decade is known, record the first year of the decade followed by an s. I don't find it in the Toolkit. Was there a reason for taking it out. Jack Wu Franciscan Universi

Re: [RDA-L] Questions for videodisc reproduction of videocassette

Quoting Mac. : Some tell me I need not worry about Bibframe I will be dead by then; wish RDA could have waited that long! Can't imagine who'd be qualified to tell you that. For all we know, Bibframe may be implemented in a few years, not for a long time, even not at all. We know none of us li

Re: [RDA-L] Uniform titles in RDA

hange proposals and endless updating. Jack Wu Franciscan university of Steubenville >>> Bernhard Eversberg 9/24/2013 7:43 AM >>> 24.09.2013 13:01, Danskin, Alan: > ... JSC recognised that the omission > of the article is not good practice because the resulting title do

Re: [RDA-L] YouTube video, "Resource Description & Access (RDA) Basics for Copy Catalogers" available

ent is need, perhaps What type of media, or mediation, or intermediate means? I don't think any of these terms are entirely clear either, but that's all I can think of. Jack Jack Wu Franciscan University of Steubenville j...@franciscan.edu >>> "MCCUTCHEON, SEVIM"

Re: [RDA-L] Capitalization in 2.9.4.4

I don't know if this is oversimplification. The way I see it. If you have Place Name followed by Distributed by, Published by or whatever, it's entirely logical to capitalize the first word. I can say this is great. Come. So what. O, no. Each is a separate statement. Regardless whether Separated by

Re: [RDA-L] ] The "A" in RDA

igible? Jack Jack Wu Franciscan University of Steubenville j...@franciscan.edu >>> Wojciech Siemaszkiewicz 7/29/2013 >>> 10:00 AM >>> James has introduced a new word that I have not seen before "discombobulated" from "combobulated" also "r

Re: [RDA-L] Leaf (new RDA glossary term and definition)

or in codes which don't need to be translated. So what is wrong with Anglocentrism? That it's not Germancentrcism? Jack Jack Wu Franciscan University of Steubenville j...@franciscan.edu >>> Cary Isley 7/17/2013 3:28 PM >>> In that sense, the abbreviations are them

Re: [RDA-L] Photocopy of a thesis in RDA?

Mac, You certainly have a point, a user's point of view. Well said. Jack >>> "J. McRee Elrod" 7/9/2013 3:30 PM >>> Jack Wu asked: >Would the 264 0 have $a Place $b [Producer not identified] $c Date, >or could the 264 0 have only $c but missing $b

Re: [RDA-L] Photocopy of a thesis in RDA?

Mark, Thank you for a very detailed and thorough analysis of the requirements, options, and their ramifications. Think I know what to do now. Jack Jack Wu Franciscan University of Steubenville j...@franciscan.edu >>> "M. E." 7/9/2013 3:44 PM >>> Jack Wu

Re: [RDA-L] Photocopy of a thesis in RDA?

core? Jack Jack Wu Franciscan University of Steubenville j...@franciscan.edu >>> "M. E." 7/9/2013 12:11 PM >>> Jack Wu wrote: I interpret this to mean there would be no place in fixed country code if in 264 1 Publication field there's no $a, no $b but

Re: [RDA-L] Photocopy of a thesis in RDA?

duced (even if only by the student) but not published, right? Jack Jack Wu Franciscan University of Steubenville j...@franciscan.edu >>> "M. E." 7/9/2013 11:13 AM >>> Jack Wu wrote: Just a follow-up of questions on thesis for Country of Publication, etc. (008/

Re: [RDA-L] Photocopy of a thesis in RDA?

264 0 Place, Institution, date to indicate production, since a place is then provided, would that then be translated into same place being recorded in fixed code, or still be xx/b? Thanks, Jack Jack Wu Franciscan University of Steubenville j...@franciscan.edu >>> Joan Wang 7/3

Re: [RDA-L] No date of publication, first printing

copyright dates which are not used to infer the publication dates are no longer core, may still be included in another area, especially since they differ from the dates used. My take. Jack Jack Wu Franciscan University of Steubenville j...@franciscan.edu >>> Deborah Fritz 6/18/201

[RDA-L] Are options enhancements

one add it? When an access point has no justification, can one justify it through a note? Is the more complete record to be considered as enhanced, therefore preferred? Jack Jack Wu Franciscan University of Steubenville j...@franciscan.edu

Re: [RDA-L] 264 All are entity functions required?

efore preferred? Jack Jack Wu Franciscan University of Steubenville j...@franciscan.edu >>> Robert Maxwell 6/13/2013 8:50 PM >>> Julie, Strictly speaking once you’ve recorded or supplied a date of publication (264 _1 $c) you have fulfilled the RDA core requirement and can

Re: [RDA-L] cm period/no period and sample records

order of the Areas the future then? Jack Jack Wu Franciscan University of Steubenville j...@franciscan.edu >>> Kevin M Randall 4/25/2013 11:09 AM >>> Jack: There is no direct correspondence between MARC tag numbers/sequencing and the order of ISBD elements. For instance,

Re: [RDA-L] cm period/no period and sample records

Perhaps I should qualify my questions with: cataloging in OCLC Connexion and in bib. records of most paragraph breaks. Jack Jack Wu Franciscan University of Steubenville j...@franciscan.edu >>> Jack Wu 4/25/2013 9:24 AM >>> Not trying to harp on a ., but I do have so

Re: [RDA-L] cm period/no period and sample records

f a paragraph" Would the New ISBD standard, which I assume we are or will be following, then call for a point at the end of any paragraph break, including end of the 300 field? Thanks, Jack Jack Wu Franciscan University of Steubenville j...@franciscan.edu >>>

Re: [RDA-L] cm period/no period and sample records

on be at a . of no return. I just think it easier and worthwhile for RDA to continue the . and resolve our singular . , .., no . confusion if for no other reason than to please the vast crowd of non-catalogers that we serve. Jack Jack Wu Franciscan University of Steubenville j...@franciscan.edu

Re: [RDA-L] Bib records with uniform titles for the Bible

sting OCLC bib records to follow in a few days, months, years??? Jack Jack Wu Franciscan University of Steubenville j...@franciscan.edu >>> Adger Williams 3/26/2013 9:40 AM >>> We had a bunch without any subfield codes. They have to be tended by hand. On Tue, Mar 26, 20

Re: [RDA-L] Typos in Titles

ptance of the thesis. Jack Jack Wu Franciscan University of Steubenville j...@franciscan.edu >>> Michael Cohen 3/7/2013 6:49 AM >>> RDA Exercise A patron asked us to correct a typo in the title page of his dissertation. The rules are quite clear on how to handle thi

Re: [RDA-L] Use of ISBD punctuation with RDA. And a workshop.

rules are so inconsistent, shouldn't they be changed, rather. Jack Jack Wu Franciscan University of Steubenville j...@franciscan.edu >>> Kevin M Randall 3/1/2013 3:44 PM >>> I think most of us were ignorant about metric symbols before RDA came along. I certainly w

Re: [RDA-L] Media type for streaming video

same with RDA's cardinal conceptual base, not just details of the 33x fields. I'm not sure if the categories are actually blurry or just my eyes. Jack Jack Wu Franciscan University of Steubenville j...@franciscan.edu >>> John Hostage 2/25/2013 5:01 PM >>> I wa

Re: [RDA-L] question about dates in 264 fields

o think in this case, copyright date, being the only date identified from the resource, is perhaps not optional? Jack Jack Wu Franciscan University of Steubenville >>> Deborah Fritz 1/11/2013 10:49 AM >>> From: Resource Description and Access / Resource Descript

Re: [RDA-L] question about dates in 264 fields

e with a period, copyright date without? Jack Jack Wu Franciscan University of Steubenville j...@franciscan.edu >>> Deborah Fritz 1/11/2013 9:15 AM >>> From: Resource Description and Access / Resource Description and Access [mailto:RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CA] On Beh

Re: [RDA-L] Sources of information for other title information

have become some major sources of ambiguity and discussion, if not confusion. Jack Jack Wu Franciscan University of Steubenville j...@franciscan.edu >>> James Weinheimer 12/19/2012 5:48 AM >>> On 19/12/2012 10:08, Bernhard Eversberg wrote: Am 19.12.2012 09:29, schrie

Re: [RDA-L] I'm taillights

Ingenious. Picture certainly worth a thousand words. The 4 Group one entities, 3 group two entities, 4 group three entities all supposed to work together with clearly defined powers and relationships. Enjoyed it. Jack Jack Wu Franciscan University of Steubenville j...@franciscan.edu

Re: [RDA-L] Illustrators as creators, not contributors

And the searcher, in order to search successfully, would have to know this distinction in our use of a different qualifier for the same person under different circumstances, as well, I presume? Jack Wu Franciscan University of Steubenville j...@franciscan.edu >>> Jenny Wright 11/26/

Re: [RDA-L] Illustrators as creators, not contributors

Then, in MARC, it can sometimes be using $e illustrator, but at other times $e artist? Or would one be using both terms? It's somewhat confusing to me. Jack Wu Franciscan University of Steubenville j...@franciscan.edu >>> JSC Secretary 11/23/2012 8:14 AM >>> Jenny, Th

Re: [RDA-L] Hardback & paperback, and their ISBN

it consistently would be simpler for everyone. Too bad that's not what RDA says and catalogers judgment covers a lot of things. Jack Wu Franciscan University of Steubenville j...@franciscan.edu >>> "J. McRee Elrod" 11/16/2012 2:54 AM >>> Jenry Lam asked:

Re: [RDA-L] AACR2 in RDA Toolkit

among Desktop's long list of cataloging resources instead of being singularly tied to RDA subscription, if for no other reason than to avoid an appearance of being heavy-handed. Jack Wu Franciscan University of Steubenville >>> "Fox, Chris" 11/1/2012 9:42 PM >>&

Re: [RDA-L] Question about relationship terms for contributors

But is the subfield e relationship designator mandatory or optional, for the 1xx field, for the 7xx field? Jack Jack Wu Franciscan University of Steubenville >>> "Brenndorfer, Thomas" 10/16/2012 4:27 PM >>> Here’s a simple chart: MARC has two main fields for

Re: [RDA-L] Question about relationship terms for contributors

Some rather basic questions I'm still ignorant of. Is it allowable to have some access points with the relationship designator and some without any relationship designator? And are the terms of creator and author mutually exclusive. Thanks, Jack Jack Wu Franciscan Universi

Re: [RDA-L] Editor as main entry

~~~~~ On Mon, 8 Oct 2012, Jack Wu wrote: > Yes, I do remember now. This is a change on account of the rule of three. In > RDA is there an exception or > another rule that governs the entry under title for video recordings, > serials... > Thanks, >

Re: [RDA-L] Editor as main entry

Yes, I do remember now. This is a change on account of the rule of three. In RDA is there an exception or another rule that governs the entry under title for video recordings, serials... Thanks, Jack Jack Wu Franciscan University of Steubenville >>> "Adam L. Schiff"

Re: [RDA-L] Editor as main entry

AACR1 editors are chosen where AACR2 would choose the title. And if we agree in the case of editor that it cannot be main entry in either AACR2 or RDA, in what instances then would AACR2 and RDA be different when main entry is considered in the sequential MARC environment? Jack Jack Wu

Re: [RDA-L] Editor as main entry

So in this regard it's exactly like AACR2?? Somehow while the short explanation given here is clear, I must admit what the RDA says is confusing to me. Jack >>> "Adam L. Schiff" 10/4/2012 5:57 PM >>> Editors are not considered creators in RDA, nor are they considered other persons, families,

Re: [RDA-L] Cataloging Matters No. 16

done but I don't see any near term solutions. Jack Jack Wu Franciscan University j...@franciscan.edu >>> James Weinheimer 9/21/2012 4:13 AM >>> On 21/09/2012 00:07, Kelley McGrath wrote: I sometimes wonder what the silent majority on lists thinks. There are definite

Re: [RDA-L] Cataloging Matters No. 16

all legacy records that lack these, and that can be a huge problem. I'm just glad there will be a unified authority file and conversion of bib. headings is more machine actionable. Jack Jack Wu Franciscan University >>> James Weinheimer 9/17/2012 7:12 AM >>> All, For

Re: [RDA-L] JSC web site: Sept. 14 additions

Thanks Mac, hope you're right about the rewrite. Somehow I wonder how revision and rewrite are coordinated, or are they on different tracks where they would endlessly chase each other. Jack >>> "J. McRee Elrod" 9/17/2012 5:05 PM >>> Jack Wu said: >I

Re: [RDA-L] JSC web site: Sept. 14 additions

I have read these before as well, the brief listing anyway. I'm not a fast reader and there are more than 70 documents listed for this month alone. Sure can use a digest or summary from time to time. Jack Jack Wu Franciscan University of Steubenville >>> Gene Fieg 9/14/2012

Re: [RDA-L] Transcription of more than one publisher

econd indicator coded 0 for production, 1 for publication... 4 for copyright to accommodate any new RDA differentiations? As it is, when will it be RDA and AACR all have the same 26x fields, perhaps never? Jack Jack Wu Franciscan University j...@franciscan.edu >>> "J. McRee

Re: [RDA-L] Naming works question

t sub-field b delimiter is one way; the other way is to leave everything in 245s the way they are, but add a 246 field title that includes the distinguishing terms of a report or summary. Jack Jack Wu Franciscan University j...@franciscan.edu >>> "Adam L. Schiff" 8/27/201

Re: [RDA-L] Order of 040 subfields

Adam, Thank you for your reply which alerted me to check a few of the records in the LC catalog itself. Yes, the LC catalog does have $b before $e and that's good enough for me. Perhaps OCLC can investigate so that in Connexion the records would not display $e before $b. Jack Ja

Re: [RDA-L] Order of 040 subfields

still puzzles me, since they are DLC of rather recent dates of input and modification. Regards, Jack Jack Wu Technical Services Franciscan University of Steubenville j...@franciscan.edu >>> Gary L Strawn 8/16/2012 5:00 PM >>> I asked a program to look at the weekly files of LC/N

Re: [RDA-L] Order of 040 subfields

true of nearly all DLC records. I would love some consistency to follow but perhaps that's not here yet? Jack Jack Wu j...@franciscan.edu Franciscan University of Steubenville >>> Gary L Strawn 8/15/2012 10:02 AM >>> Yep. During the manipulation of the LC/NACO authority

Re: [RDA-L] Order of 040 subfields

nly 3 exceptions in my search are entry 22, 32, 38. It would seem current LC practice varies somewhat from the PCC recommendation. Just waiting to see how OCLC, LC, and PCC will come together on these, if they have not already and I'm only behind in the news. Jack Jack Wu j...@franciscan.edu