RE: [Repeater-Builder] Ground Strap Installation. Best way to run it?

2010-03-20 Thread Jeff DePolo
What happens if I have a strap running horizontally nailed flat on a wall and I need to go vertically down with another strap to tied onto it making a T. This vertical strap would also be nailed flat on the wall. Wouldn't this sharp corner present a high impedance? Yes, to some degree, but

RE: [Repeater-Builder] Ground Strap Installation. Best way to run it?

2010-03-20 Thread Jeff DePolo
Hi Jeff Just wondering why silver? Lower impedance or higher melt temp or both? Strength and melting point. Note that silver soldering isn't soldering using soft solder that has some silver in it, such as tin+silver or tin+silver+copper. Those kinds of soft solder are often called silver

RE: [Repeater-Builder] Ground Strap Installation. Best way to run it?

2010-03-20 Thread Jeff DePolo
-Builder] Ground Strap Installation. Best way to run it? Thanks Jeff I have just learned something new today. So you would need an acetylene torch to provide enough heat for doing this. Randy On 2010-03-20, at 2:04 PM, Jeff DePolo wrote: Hi Jeff Just wondering why

RE: [Repeater-Builder] Re: [rfamplifiers] Return Loss Bridge Kit

2010-03-17 Thread Jeff DePolo
How about this. I'll ask Rick if he'll send me a demo unit, and I'll compare it to my Eagle, using my VNA as the reference (Agilent E5070B). --- Jeff First thing I would say is that if Rick is selling it, assume it works. I run an Eagle unit and

RE: [Repeater-Builder] Re: [rfamplifiers] Return Loss Bridge Kit

2010-03-17 Thread Jeff DePolo
betting that Rick's will hold it's own against the Eagle (which I've always thought was overpriced.) Chuck WB2EDV - Original Message - From: Jeff DePolo j...@broadsci.com mailto:jd0%40broadsci.com To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com mailto:Repeater-Builder%40yahoogroups.com

[Repeater-Builder] Inexpensive return loss bridge

2010-03-15 Thread Jeff DePolo
Rick at Amtronix is now selling a bargain-priced return loss bridge - $69 kit, $109 assembled and tested. Covers 400 kHz to 1 GHz. Directivity spec is 30 dB. No, it doesn't turn your TG/SA into a $50k VNA, but for a little over a Franklin, it looks like quite a deal. Details and specs on

RE: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Sorta OT: Looking for a couple of items

2010-03-14 Thread Jeff DePolo
The problem with the Glenayre exciter is trying to figure out how to program it to the ham bands. There is a company in Illinois that still fixes Quintron/Glenayre stuff, I think they could program one for you. There is one on eBay right now. I maintained a 900MHz Glenarye digital

RE: [Repeater-Builder] Amphenol Connex RF connectors

2010-03-10 Thread Jeff DePolo
Anyone care to comment on the quality of the Amphenol Connex line of RF connectors? They have a pretty good price point, but only if they aren't junk. lh It is my understanding that Connex was started as a division of Amphenol after some kind of a buy-out of another manufacturer that

RE: [Repeater-Builder] Antenna Phasing Question

2010-03-10 Thread Jeff DePolo
I have three (3) Antel [BCD 80010] 806-900 mHz vertical antennae that I would like to mount on the three legs of my tower for omni pattern (Rec. only). Several questions come to mind. 1.) At the rated frequency, how many inches should the side arm place the ant. from the tower?

RE: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Dual receivers on one antenna for RX only site

2010-03-10 Thread Jeff DePolo
When I say the notch presents a short it is not really a short but a very low impedance of say a few ohms. But by having the unwanted source impedance high rather than at 50 ohms it is much easier to pull the high impedance down with the few ohms short circuit than it would be if we were

RE: [Repeater-Builder] Micor TLD1693 Amp

2010-03-07 Thread Jeff DePolo
Well, there seems to be a bit of a mystery. The schematic in the base/repeater station manual I have shows: C531 43L 30M 24H But the parts list shows: C531 43L 36M 24H So is it 30 or 36 pF? Who you gonna believe? I checked a mobile Micor manual, and it's listed as 30 pF in the parts list;

RE: [Repeater-Builder] Re: LMR Cable

2010-03-07 Thread Jeff DePolo
What is the difference between real and un-real RG214? There are some non-mil-spec RG214 varients out there. Sometimes they are labeled as RG214 TYPE, or RG214 Commercial. These typically have double braid like real RG214, but unlike real RG214, the braids are bare copper instead of

[Repeater-Builder] Motorola paging reeds

2010-02-28 Thread Jeff DePolo
A while ago someone was looking for Motorola vibrasponder reeds for paging tones, and I responded back that I had a bunch of them but had to find them. I've since lost that person's name/email address. I finally found them (accidentally). If you're the person that wanted them, please email

RE: [Repeater-Builder] Re: LOOONG audio runs

2010-02-28 Thread Jeff DePolo
On Sun, 28 Feb 2010, Mike Morris WA6ILQ wrote: 2) the pair that was receiving the problem was a high impedance load or an unbalanced load (i.e. one side grounded). Use an ungrounded 600 ohm winding from a transformer on each end of each pair. The nominal impedance of a copper pair

RE: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Micor UHF Repeater Base 9.6 vdc current requirement?

2010-02-27 Thread Jeff DePolo
In a station, the 9.6 volt circuitry *could* be run from 12 volts, as long as its regulated. I'm not suggesting someone does that, because the circuits were optimized for 9.6 volts, but I'm trying to make a point. Point taken, but to add to your cautionary note, there are some circuits

RE: [Repeater-Builder] LOOONG audio runs

2010-02-27 Thread Jeff DePolo
I have a odd situation where I need to run long audio cables between my repeater controller and two repeaters. In this case, the repeater controller will be connected to 2 repeaters in the same cabinette. The other two repeaters will connected thru about 140 feet of wiring to the other

RE: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Micor UHF Repeater Base 9.6 vdc current requirement?

2010-02-26 Thread Jeff DePolo
The diagram for the adapter box also shows +13 Vdc is also routed to one of the pins in the same plug (as well as ground) so I have to figure out if that's a requirement or just an addition to the adapter package. I did see where +13 Vdc was supplied to another location on the repeater

RE: [Repeater-Builder] dual band convertacom

2010-02-24 Thread Jeff DePolo
My initial idea was to run an antenna switch from the convertacom to the amps so I can manually select which one the signal goes to. Then on the output side of the amps I thought about using an antenna duplexer on the output of the amps to feed the antenna. I think you'll find that

RE: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Can the 4th harmonic of 1250 AM keep UHF repeaters locked up?

2010-02-24 Thread Jeff DePolo
On 2/23/2010 3:11 PM, Jim WB5OXQ inb Waco, TX wrote: Is it possible the AM signal is getting into an audio stage instead of the receiver front end? I had that happen once. Same here. All audio inteconnects are now tiny coax cables at that site now, installed with shield

RE: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Can the 4th harmonic of 1250 AM keep UHF repeaters locked up?

2010-02-23 Thread Jeff DePolo
I'm considering an ICE broadcast high-pass filter that cuts off at 1.8Mhz (model 402). I have an email into them to see how well it might work at 448 Mhz. Tony Before you spend any real money, you might just try a shorted quarterwave stub. If you want, I can make one up quick and see

RE: [Repeater-Builder] Re: DB-201 Measurements for 6 Meters?

2010-02-22 Thread Jeff DePolo
Think about it this way. If you made a dipole, would you cut one side 5% longer than the other? Maybe, if you had a reason for offset feed... but most offset Dipoles are not 5% different. I thought the subject was about 1/4 wave ground planes and not dipoles... they are not the same

RE: [Repeater-Builder] Re: DB-201 Measurements for 6 Meters?

2010-02-22 Thread Jeff DePolo
On Mon, 22 Feb 2010, Jeff DePolo wrote: Kinda along the same lines as always make the cable from the connector on the transmitter to the connector on the duplexer an even half-wave. The reason for doing that is that if the duplexer presents a short-circuit, said short-circuit won't

RE: [Repeater-Builder] Re: DB-201 Measurements for 6 Meters?

2010-02-21 Thread Jeff DePolo
Yes, I don't know why the db-201 has such ridiculously long radials, but that is how they were designed. Go figure. I would like to know why though if someone knows... 73 Apologies in advance, this is going to wander a little off-topic and ended up getting long...skip to the bottom if you

RE: [Repeater-Builder] Can the 4th harmonic of 1250 AM keep UHF repeaters locked up?

2010-02-21 Thread Jeff DePolo
So, if we take the 1250Khz signal or 1.25Mhz x 4 = 5Mhz. I realize that the 4th harmonic of a 5KW broadcast station isn't very powerful Well...it *shouldn't* be very strong. It has to be attenuated 43 + 10 * log (Pwatts) as measured in the field (not at the transmitter output terminals).

RE: [Repeater-Builder] Re: DB-201 Measurements for 6 Meters?

2010-02-21 Thread Jeff DePolo
Various ARRL publications cite the 5% longer rule. Right or wrong, who knows? Chuck WB2EDV At the risk of offending someone somewhere, the fact that the ARRL cites the 5% rule without backing it up with the analysis behind the rule doesn't really suprise me... Think about it this way.

RE: [Repeater-Builder] Duplexers F S

2010-02-20 Thread Jeff DePolo
The 4 WaCom UHF 10 cavities I believe were designed to be part of a simple duplexer for a UHF-Lo repeater. They *should* tune up to the 440 ham band based on what Telewave has listed for specs on the current modern day model number. Current config is Pass RX Reject TX on 3 cans and Pass

RE: [Repeater-Builder] Micor Community Repeater Supplement

2010-02-19 Thread Jeff DePolo
. --- Jeff WN3A -Original Message- From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com [mailto:repeater-buil...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Jeff DePolo Sent: Wednesday, February 17, 2010 12:24 PM To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [Repeater-Builder] Micor Community Repeater Supplement

RE: [Repeater-Builder] Bend an ICOM a little further

2010-02-18 Thread Jeff DePolo
I just got some Bomar crystals (Not my choice) for the clubs UHF Micor. The TX was off 14 to 39 kHz, Had to add a 10pF cap to get the trimmer in the center range. Strangely the RX was fine. That's probably not indicitive of Bomar making a bad rock; you almost always have to change out the

RE: [Repeater-Builder] Micor Community Repeater Supplement

2010-02-17 Thread Jeff DePolo
I am in need of a micor UHF community repeater station supplement number is 68-81025E55, or 68P81025E55. Email me at my callsign at yahoo Jim I have it in paper, but not electronic. Is there a particular section you need that I could scan? --- Jeff

RE: [Repeater-Builder] DB224A new harness

2010-02-17 Thread Jeff DePolo
I just recieved 2 new DB224A harnesses from Andrew. They were made in Mexico (no surprise there, they have been making them there for some time). Curious if you had any problems ordering them, and if I may ask, what did they run you? I need it to work on 147.225/147.825. I got a 1.68:1

RE: [Repeater-Builder] Connect Controller to EM Interface

2010-02-08 Thread Jeff DePolo
It depends on what kind of EM interface it is. There are several (5, IIRC) physical EM signalling/voltage types. Depending on which one it is, it might be as simple as wiring COR and PTT directly to the E and M leads, or, if the interface only will work with -48 VDC battery voltage levels,

RE: [Repeater-Builder] RFS TDE-7780A

2010-02-06 Thread Jeff DePolo
I've disassembled and compared the ham-split PD633-6A-1N and regular 450-470 PD633-6A-2N. The resonators are identical; they're the same length. The difference is where they are tapped - the low-split model is tapped about 1/4 further up the resonator than the 460 MHz version. The semi-rigid

RE: [Repeater-Builder] RFS TDE-7780A

2010-02-06 Thread Jeff DePolo
[mailto:repeater-buil...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Jeff DePolo Sent: Saturday, February 06, 2010 10:55 PM To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [Repeater-Builder] RFS TDE-7780A I've disassembled and compared the ham-split PD633-6A-1N and regular 450-470 PD633-6A-2N

RE: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Cable lengths again

2010-02-05 Thread Jeff DePolo
I'll confirm also, 12 from last cavity to antenna tee, RG214. Intra-cavity is 11.5. Measurements are tip-to-tip on the type N connectors. I've done the harnesses for the older PD 526's that had RG8 on them. Some of the newest 526's have RG400 coax instead of RG214 FWIW.

RE: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Cable lengths again

2010-02-05 Thread Jeff DePolo
, were your inter cavity jumpers Type RG-8A/U cable? Just wondering..Joe Jeff DePolo wrote: I'll confirm also, 12 from last cavity to antenna tee, RG214. Intra-cavity is 11.5. Measurements are tip-to-tip on the type N connectors. I've done the harnesses for the older PD 526's

RE: [Repeater-Builder] TLE1713A-1 at 448 MHz

2010-01-30 Thread Jeff DePolo
Phil, The Motorola TLE1713A Power Amplifier is rated at 75 watts continuous duty for 450-470 MHz. It is a component of the MICOR C64RCB station. All of the technical data is in Service Manual 6881025E50. The bad news is that the manual is NLA from Motorola, but the good news is that

RE: [Repeater-Builder] Duplexer vs Split Level Antennas

2010-01-29 Thread Jeff DePolo
Have chance to install a DB 224 at 450' and another one anywhere below it. Using LDF6 on both runs. RF solid state 110 watts out. Wanting to know the pros or cons of running both antenna close together for more height with duplexer or spacing antennas for isolation without duplexer? All

RE: [Repeater-Builder] GLB

2010-01-29 Thread Jeff DePolo
Can anyone burn a 2716 Prom chip for a GLB ID-1 Ide'er? Not a standard hex file. have some docs. Thanks Fred wa2...@arrl.net mailto:wa2cam%40arrl.net I'm not sure what not a standard hex file means, but I can burn 2716's no problem. I can read any standard format (bin, mot, hex,

RE: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Duplexer vs Split Level Antennas

2010-01-29 Thread Jeff DePolo
Use to have SuperStation Masters with Rx at 450' and 150 watts Tx at 240' many years ago on this tower before it got moved. Had no desense and very good coverage. Will be running WP-641 split. Just wondering about the Rx Tx vertical separation. Would Rx at 450' and Tx at 375' be without

RE: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Duplexer for TKR-720

2010-01-27 Thread Jeff DePolo
If you're patient on Ebay you can sometimes catch a deal on this type of duplexer... Ebay Item Number: 110486323682 I've caught these units used from prices of $50 up toward $150 is a pretty good deal. back later... s. An oldie but a goodie, Sinclair R2B12 for wide split (and it's a

RE: [Repeater-Builder] db224 Down Tilt

2010-01-24 Thread Jeff DePolo
I've never seen one for a DB224, though I have seen them for a DB408 (4-bay UHF) with 9 degrees of downtilt. A DB224 has a pretty fat 16 degree beamwidth in the elevation pattern. You sure you really need downtilt? If your problem is dead spots extremely close to the base of the

RE: [Repeater-Builder] 6 Meter Repeater spacing (no duplexers)

2010-01-22 Thread Jeff DePolo
I plugged the same values as before into CommShop, but this time with a 1 MHz split, and the result is about 85 dB isolation, which can be met with about 7.75 miles of horizontal separation. snip The definitive method for testing whether your transmitter is causing desense to your

RE: [Repeater-Builder] FCC Ant Registration

2010-01-15 Thread Jeff DePolo
Not directly, but you can use the ASR to get the lat/lon, then do a database search (wireless.fcc.gov, click on Databases) using those coordinates. A lot of times the license coordinates don't match the ASR coordinates exactly (due to a number of reasons), so do a radius search, specifying

RE: [Repeater-Builder] FCC Ant Registration

2010-01-15 Thread Jeff DePolo
Use the FCC ULS search feature. From the ULS page select find license. From that page on the right hand side select Site based search. This will bring up a form that you can search on several items including the ASR number. The result will be the call signs of everyone on that tower.

RE: [Repeater-Builder] Motorola T1504A Duplexer Lock Nut

2010-01-10 Thread Jeff DePolo
Try here: http://www.mcmaster.com/#hex-locknuts/=5bcw46 Click on Flex-top Expanding Lock Nuts I have some T-1504 type cavities/duplexers, but not here so I can't measure the thread. --- Jeff WN3A -Original Message- From:

RE: [Repeater-Builder] Motorola T1504A Duplexer Lock Nut

2010-01-10 Thread Jeff DePolo
Ouch. Maybe a regular nylon lock nut would work acceptably well and be a little cheaper? Isn't the outer sleeve (the one that the lock nut threads onto) slotted? If so, will it tighten up enough to keep the shaft from beint turned if you just use a a regular nut?

RE: [Repeater-Builder] Motorola T1504A Duplexer Lock Nut

2010-01-10 Thread Jeff DePolo
Sal's idea of using small hose clamps is starting to look good ;) Use a regular nut and Locktite :-)

RE: [Repeater-Builder] FS: *NEW* UHF Motorola Micor repeater on Ham band

2010-01-09 Thread Jeff DePolo
Eric I was just relaying what I was told (by a gov radio tech) about how the repeater handels encrypted communications. It just passes audio straight through be it encrypted or analog. That way someone at the repeater site can not eavesdrop on the secure communications going through the

RE: [Repeater-Builder] something altogether different

2010-01-06 Thread Jeff DePolo
Nothing gave me more pleasure than spending my long distance charges on sending fidmail packets from my BBS to the hub in st. Louis that were LADEN with snide remarks straying further and further off topic. You actually *paid* for long distance modem calls back then ??!?? :-) :-) :-)

RE: [Repeater-Builder] something altogether different

2010-01-06 Thread Jeff DePolo
No tone service where I was. Ha! Whistle up 2600 on an 800 call and the world was your oyster... I first box I actually owned outright is a timex Sinclair 1000 with the 16k ram pak sitting out in the shed/shack Mine was a Trash-80 Model I. I cut my teeth on a VAX-11/750 at a local

[Repeater-Builder] Longshot - Duke Energy/Texas Eastern

2010-01-05 Thread Jeff DePolo
Does anyone have any two-way or microwave engineering contacts at Duke Energy or Texas Eastern (pipeline)? Along the same lines, does anyone know if they maintain their own microwave network or if they subcontract the maintenance out? --- Jeff WN3A

RE: [Repeater-Builder] GE MastrII CAS vs. RUS vs. RX Mute?

2009-12-18 Thread Jeff DePolo
I also recall that the source Z of CAS and RUS isn't the same (I'm pretty sure CAS is lower than RUS), maybe somebody can confirm. And doesn't RX MUTE only source current, not sink? I thought there was a protection diode in series with the exposed RUX MUTE line to prevent someone from sourcing

RE: [Repeater-Builder] Re: HP E-8285A Service Monitor

2009-12-16 Thread Jeff DePolo
If the monitor was one of the older units, then the modules have proper factory calibration data loaded in them for the entire spread up to 1000 MHz (plus the 1700-2000 segment). The firmware reads the cal data on startup. If it's one of the newer units that doesn't have modules which were

RE: [Repeater-Builder] Re: HP E-8285A Service Monitor

2009-12-12 Thread Jeff DePolo
as CDMA-based cellphone development is starting to wind down in favor of W-CDMA and LTE. -Brian On Fri, Dec 11, 2009 at 11:28 AM, Jeff DePolo j...@... wrote: Pros over the 8924C: The display color CRT is replaced by a EL panel, lower burn in. Duplex and Antenna connectors are N

RE: [Repeater-Builder] HP E-8285A Service Monitor

2009-12-11 Thread Jeff DePolo
The older ones were general-coverage like the 892x series (100 kHz to 1 GHz, and 1700-2000 or something like that). The newer ones were limited to the cellular and PCS bands. It's not only a difference in firmware but also hardware (i.e. you can't take one of the newer ones and back-rev the

RE: [Repeater-Builder] HP E-8285A Service Monitor

2009-12-11 Thread Jeff DePolo
Pros over the 8924C: The display color CRT is replaced by a EL panel, lower burn in. Duplex and Antenna connectors are N instead of BNC, better frequency range (older units) Cons: Spectrum Analyzer Is Optional, No Squelch knob, No auto frequency counter, 2.5W max input, does not decode DPL,

RE: [Repeater-Builder] Price Check on aisle five.....

2009-12-08 Thread Jeff DePolo
The RN in the part number tells me it's the grey fire-retardant jacket. Unless Andrew changed what they make the jacket out of, it should NOT be used outdoors, it degrades quickly from UV. It's primarily intended to be used as a plenum-rated cable indoors. I remember scrapping about 800' of

RE: [Repeater-Builder] FS: ACC controller programing

2009-12-06 Thread Jeff DePolo
'twas me that did the RC-85 and RC-96 firmware hacks. Email me direct. --- Jeff WN3A -Original Message- From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com [mailto:repeater-buil...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Pointman Sent: Sunday, December 06, 2009 7:15 PM

RE: [Repeater-Builder] Syntor/MCX100 Prom question

2009-12-05 Thread Jeff DePolo
A quick check of the datasheets shows that the only difference is pin 14 which is a second chip-enable line on the smaller device, whereas it's the most significant address bit on the larger device. The Syntor can address either the smaller or bigger part depending on jumpers. If your radio was

RE: [Repeater-Builder] DB-212's

2009-12-02 Thread Jeff DePolo
That's pretty good. But what I had were the actual cutting dimensions for the elements, cables, etc. right from Decibel, similiar to what I posted for the Phelps-Dodge/Celwave dipoles. I know I have it *somewhere*... --- Jeff -Original Message-

RE: [Repeater-Builder] Cable prep and crimp on connectors

2009-12-02 Thread Jeff DePolo
For small-diameter cables, I have Paladin CST Vario strippers. These are completely adjustable - you insert/remove the blade cartridges to get the strip dimensions you want for 3-level stripping, and you adjust the depths of the blades for each strip level for whatever cable you're using (i.e.

[Repeater-Builder] Celwave lowband dipole dimensions

2009-12-01 Thread Jeff DePolo
I uploaded a file to Yahoo that contains a scan of the Celwave lowband dipole dimensions, harness cable lengths, and other tech info. It's entitled Celwave Lowband Dipoles.pdf. Maybe Mike or someone else might want to put it on repeater-builder.com as well. I found some notes I had on the

RE: [Repeater-Builder] UHF Mastr II PA - SLOW

2009-11-24 Thread Jeff DePolo
After letting it cool, I key'd it up again. It immediately went up to only 20 watts, then after about 30 seconds it hit 75 watts and finally after close to a minute and a half, it hit 100 watts. I let it cool again, and same thing. This appears to be the way this amp is as nothing I can

RE: [Repeater-Builder] Antenna Pattern Question

2009-11-19 Thread Jeff DePolo
Comprod makes dipole arrays with a screen reflector, at least for VHF, not sure about UHF. I'm looking in the catalog and it shows a backside null close to 20 dB down from the main lobe. The screen reflector should be nominally about 1/4 wave behind the radiator for maximum forward gain. It

RE: [Repeater-Builder] Micor repeater audio

2009-11-18 Thread Jeff DePolo
mzfb2001 wrote: I was looking in the files section and may have missed it, but I am looking to improve the transmit audio quality on my UHF transmiter. I've noticed that the audio is lacking in lows its not tinny but its not what I would call normal audio from a Micor. The audio

RE: [Repeater-Builder] TXRX Vari-NotchR coupling loops

2009-11-15 Thread Jeff DePolo
Has anyone got the dimensions of these for a 4 cavity for 450 ish, they are the ones with 2 BNC sockets and a capacitor...Thanks Andy G8VLL I'll take one apart if nobody else responds. I have both the ham band 28-66-02 duplexers (100 dB isolation, 0.6 dB loss, 5 MHz split) and also the

RE: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Building Low Band Loop Antennas (DB-212)

2009-11-15 Thread Jeff DePolo
I have dimensional data for both Decibel and Celwave lowband folded dipoles *somewhere*. If there's interest I'll hunt for them. I think the Celwave design (with the stingers) would be easier to fabricate - no bending involved. --- Jeff WN3A -Original

RE: [Repeater-Builder] Lightning Rod (Bolt)?

2009-11-02 Thread Jeff DePolo
On most fiberglass omnis, the lighting spike at the top is an extension of the last element in the array which is actually a shorted quarter-wave section. This shorted quarter-wave section at the far end of the radiator serves to put the entire antenna at DC ground. Some of the cheaper

RE: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Weird Interference between APRS and 2-M repeater help needed

2009-11-02 Thread Jeff DePolo
The repeater might be getting into the PA stage of the APRS radio. Try powering off the APRS radio during the time that you hear the weird noise. I would bet that the noise goes away as soon as the APRS radio in powered off. What kind of radio is being used for APRS? If it's something

[Repeater-Builder] Antenna sweeps - more added

2009-11-01 Thread Jeff DePolo
I added several new Sitemaster sweeps to the antenna sweep repository. I also scanned a bunch of factory hardcopy plots I had in my files for various Decibel and Sinclair dipole arrays (I don't have pre-install Sitemaster sweeps for these, they're all installed and on the air). Antennas that

RE: [Repeater-Builder] Repeaters vs RC

2009-10-11 Thread Jeff DePolo
Standard broadcast AM is 10KHz, and is wider than most other forms of AM (except CB, where they will do anything they want with the signal). Standard AM *audio*, in the US, is low-pass filtered at about 10 kHz, so the RF bandwidth is about 20 kHz (double sideband). CB is substantially

RE: [Repeater-Builder] UHF Duplexers

2009-09-20 Thread Jeff DePolo
You should be tuning the bandpass for maximum return loss, not least insertion loss. I've found that older Wacom duplexers develop center plunger contact problems as they age. I trashed quite a few 900 MHz duplexers and combiner cavities because the insertion loss was intermittantly high; the

RE: [Repeater-Builder] a strange unexplainable desense issue

2009-09-20 Thread Jeff DePolo
Beyond just turning off the other repeaters, try terminating their antenna feedlines with a dummy load instead of leaving them connected to the equipment. See if that makes any difference. -Original Message- From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com

RE: [Repeater-Builder] EF Johnson 25A rack mount power Supply

2009-09-20 Thread Jeff DePolo
I don't know which repeater it came out of, but it was probably a CR1000 or CR1010. Here's the manual for a CR1010, should get you in the ballpark. http://efjohnson.com/PDF/manuals/CR1010Repeater-ServiceMan.pdf BTW, if anyone knows of a source of those mondo dual banana plugs that EFJ used, I

RE: [Repeater-Builder] UHF Duplexers

2009-09-20 Thread Jeff DePolo
contact me off the group, so it does not get tied up. Terry KM5UQ From: Jeff DePolo j...@broadsci.com To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, September 20, 2009 10:16:59 AM Subject: RE: [Repeater-Builder] UHF Duplexers You should

RE: Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Micor Station question

2009-09-17 Thread Jeff DePolo
I'm most familiar with Maxtrac's with regards to less than full power operation, i.e. that they can produce spurs other undesirables when run that way. So other radios can have the same issues? Many do, but not all, hate to over-generalize... I read that it is because when running

RE: [Repeater-Builder] Re: GE LB VHF RF Amplifier Drive Level? basic specs?

2009-09-13 Thread Jeff DePolo
I can't find the numbers listed below on the board with the exception of a large 6 etched out of copper on the board. I might now assume the unit is the 30-36 MHz unit mentioned below unless the pc board label is printed somewhere not within obvious view. Skipp, Look over by the

RE: [Repeater-Builder] Re: coax cable

2009-09-13 Thread Jeff DePolo
1/2 or 3/8 LDF has always been my preference for jumpers, never had a problem related to a connector damage due to lack of flexibility causing over-stress at a connector, either at the antenna or at the main transmission line. Maybe there are some ham-grade antennas where a less-flexible jumper

RE: [Repeater-Builder] Re: coax cable

2009-09-13 Thread Jeff DePolo
Oh, by the way, forgot to mention, Phelps-Dodge/Celwave used to ship a RG8 jumper with Stationmasters. Some time in the fairly recent past they stopped doing that. I guess they figured everyone was tossing them out anyway... --- Jeff

RE: [Repeater-Builder] Diplex antenna installation using coaxial cable for 10M and 6 M

2009-09-12 Thread Jeff DePolo
Being an analytical guy I modeled the antenna system in both Ansoft Designer and an antenna modeling program. In Ansoft Designer the antennas were modeled as a series RLC load with 50 ohms at resonance and a Q of 15. Transmission lines were modeled with VF equal to that of RG-58A/U coax.

RE: [Repeater-Builder] Diplex antenna installation using coaxial cable for 10M and 6 M

2009-09-12 Thread Jeff DePolo
Milt said: The chart in the document was developed specifically for the Spectrum series series fed LB antenna. THE MEASUREMENTS IN THE CHART WILL NOT WORK WITH SHUNT FED COILS! So as I guessed, the secret sauce is the type of antenna/loading coil used. It might be a worthwhile

RE: [Repeater-Builder] OT: Tape

2009-09-11 Thread Jeff DePolo
Scotch Super 33 tape is great stuff, but Scotch Super 88 is even better- it's thicker, has a better adhesive, and it has better UV resistance. Cloth tape, AKA friction tape, should be pitched into a trash can. I haven't had friction tape in years. I remember finding rolls of it in my

RE: [Repeater-Builder] Tools

2009-09-11 Thread Jeff DePolo
Speaking of tools, how about the specialized wrenches that can take the SMA connector nut loose on, oh, say, Yaesu VX 5 or FT-50's? Ray, KB0STN I don't have either of those radios, but are you talking about a spanner wrench or spanner driver? Retaining ring pliers sometimes work too.

RE: [Repeater-Builder] Tools

2009-09-11 Thread Jeff DePolo
back from him, I'll let the list know the *proper* name and how to get some. Scott Scott Zimmerman Amateur Radio Call N3XCC 474 Barnett Road Boswell, PA 15531 Jeff DePolo wrote: Speaking of tools, how about the specialized wrenches that can take the SMA connector nut loose on, oh

RE: [Repeater-Builder] Tools

2009-09-11 Thread Jeff DePolo
All inappropriate. What's inappropriate? If what he's talking about is a spanner nut, you use a spanner wrench or a spanner driver to remove it. The thing you posted from eBay is just a four-size spanner driver. Just because it's marketed for radio purposes doesn't make it any more

RE: [Repeater-Builder] OT: Tape

2009-09-10 Thread Jeff DePolo
This is my preferred method as well for sealing connector splices. However, I do three layers each time (one layer up, down, up again of 88, then the same of splicing tape, then again of 88). Overlap each successive wrap about 50%. Always, always, always do the last wrap in each direction

RE: [Repeater-Builder] LMR-400 question

2009-09-06 Thread Jeff DePolo
I'd tend to think it might be a little better, less oxidation of the braid and foil, and less movement. I only buy the direct burial (DB) version of LMR400 anyway, it's only a few pennies more per foot, I figure it's worth the little extra protection if it gets a nick in the jacket. And, of

RE: [Repeater-Builder] ATSC pilot frequencies for sig. gen. alignment

2009-09-05 Thread Jeff DePolo
OK, now that NTSC video is gone, so are my handy local video carriers that I used to use to check the frequency accuracy of my signal generators. However, I understand that there are pilot carriers buried within the 8VSB DTV signals that can be used for the same purpose. A couple of

RE: [Repeater-Builder] Re: UHF Connectors for 1/2 Andrew Superflex

2009-09-01 Thread Jeff DePolo
I drill a hole perpendicular to the axis of the cable through the RG59 reducer (in the smooth area above the threads) so you can get solder to flow into it, maybe that's what Chuck was referring to? For 3/8 Superflex, the OD of the cable shield is just a tad too big to screw into a PL-259

RE: [Repeater-Builder] Re: UHF Connectors for 1/2 Andrew Superflex

2009-09-01 Thread Jeff DePolo
pin last. Chuck - Original Message - From: Jeff DePolo j...@broadsci.com mailto:jd0%40broadsci.com mailto:jd0%40broadsci.com To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com mailto:Repeater-Builder%40yahoogroups.com mailto:Repeater-Builder%40yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, September

RE: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Antenna SWR = Desense?

2009-09-01 Thread Jeff DePolo
Seems to me the three most-likely causes of your problem are: 1. Antenna itself is bad/noisy. Substituting antennas may help rule this out. 2. Not enough isolation between radiating antenna and equipment. The 100' of horizontal separation may not be enough to keep the strong RF out of your

RE: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Antenna SWR = Desense?

2009-09-01 Thread Jeff DePolo
of the imagination). --- Jeff --- In Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com mailto:Repeater-Builder%40yahoogroups.com , Jeff DePolo j...@... wrote: Seems to me the three most-likely causes of your problem are: 1. Antenna itself is bad/noisy

RE: [Repeater-Builder] Cavity/duplexer connection cables

2009-08-28 Thread Jeff DePolo
I'm not familiar with those particular duplexers, but the Celwave duplexers Eric mentioned are easily damaged by over-power. Usually the insulators at the open end of the resonators (the ends with the tuning slugs) arc over and/or develop carbon-ish deposits. In cases of mis-tuning, sometimes

RE: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Diversity FM reception

2009-08-27 Thread Jeff DePolo
The late 60s/70s brought along ignorant antenna designs, like the windshield-integrated dipole and the 45-degree swept-back dipole. Now we've got even more ignorant designs like the 45 degree stubby on the roof of cars (06 or newer Hyundai Santa Fe is a good example of this mistake), or

RE: [Repeater-Builder] Cavity/duplexer connection cables

2009-08-26 Thread Jeff DePolo
There seems to be confusion mystery in the crowd of radio buffs that I han out with (not in this group!) on the subject of connecting cable lengths for cavity duplexer use. I've heard that the manufacturers of such devices also tend to be mum on this. It seems to me that if these

RE: [Repeater-Builder] Re: 1.2 GHz Base antennas

2009-08-26 Thread Jeff DePolo
OK. Thanks anyway. Just thought there might be some experimentors out there in RF land. Do you think a 420-430 antenna work on the 3rd hanmonic, similar to using a 2 mtr. antenna with a 440 transmitter, as I have seen mentioned here on occaision There isn't a lot out there in

RE: RE: Re: [Repeater-Builder] Diversity FM reception

2009-08-25 Thread Jeff DePolo
Well, just turn your 2m handie talkie even with a rubber ducky on its side note the drop in signal strength. Cross polarization losses, e.g. linear V to linear H (or vice versa) can be up to 30 dB! In the absence of multipath, or more correctly, obstructions causing reflections that

RE: [Repeater-Builder] Effective sensitivity

2009-08-25 Thread Jeff DePolo
Here's a seldom-talked about issue: effective sensitivity . Actually, it's talked about fairly regularly here, and there are several articles on the web site about it including how to measure it. That's why I think it's important to be able to routinely monitor the noise level at the site

RE: Re: [Repeater-Builder] Diversity FM reception

2009-08-24 Thread Jeff DePolo
Yes, CP does cause more multipath esp. in urban environments. Turns out there are a large number of buildings the preferentially reflect V better than H. CP gives V energy othwise lacking (mostly) in a strictly H xmt situation. What you get with strictly H pol. is quite a glorious

RE: [Repeater-Builder] Circ polarization

2009-08-24 Thread Jeff DePolo
WN3J wrote: No, it was WN3A that wrote that. A as in agitator :-) It wasn't until car radios with vertical whip antennas started to gain popularity did vertical polarization start to become important, and CP resulted as a solution to satisfy listeners using either horizontal or

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